Official NFL Thread: NFL Draft Weekend

[Great Rumbler]

go cowboys

[Cheddahz]

Still mad that the Panthers decided to let it go in the fourth quarter

Anyways, go Cowboys (don't care for either team, but it would be nice to someone else in the conference finals) and go Colts

[ToxicAdam]

That was a catch. Such a bad overturned call.

[Joe Molotov]

[TakingBackSunday]

Dallas got fucked.  Fuck the NFL.  I was rooting for he packers but man not like this

[Mr. Gundam]

That was a catch. Such a bad overturned call.

He didn't make a football move, so knee down doesn't make it a catch. It's not a bad call.

See you next week Pack.

[TakingBackSunday]

It was called a catch on the field.  Don't overturn something that was called a catch, where the dude obviously ended up with the ball in his hands

[Human Snorenado]

I'm just sad this can't really be blamed on Tony Romo

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm just sad this can't really be blamed on Tony Romo

If you want to go crazy conspiracy theorist, just say he threw a shitty pass that Dez couldn't properly grab.

There. Romo's fault. BOOM.

[dkdk]

It was a good call. The rule is dumb. They'll fix it finally since it happened to the leagues #1 team.

[TakingBackSunday]

Lions are probably a little happier now

Anyway, I'm glad the packers won.  I wanna see Rodgers dominate the Hawks

[Mr. Gundam]

Lions are probably a little happier now

Anyway, I'm glad the packers won.  I wanna see Rodgers dominate the Hawks

Bring it. Let's have a good game next Sunday.

Go Hawks.

[eleuin]

I'm just sad this can't really be blamed on Tony Romo

Pretty sure Williams or someone else was open, Romo shouldn't have gone deep like that!

[ToxicAdam]

That was a catch. Such a bad overturned call.

He didn't make a football move, so knee down doesn't make it a catch. It's not a bad call.

See you next week Pack.

Stretching your arm to cross the goal line is a football move.one  that can only be done when you have control of a ball.

[dkdk]

is gonna skullfuck the colts again next week.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I guess karma is a motherfucker...

[TakingBackSunday]

Peyton sucks, time to retire.  fuckin' noodle arm

All these teams are horrible to root for.  Go Packers

[Mr. Gundam]

That was a catch. Such a bad overturned call.

He didn't make a football move, so knee down doesn't make it a catch. It's not a bad call.

See you next week Pack.

Stretching your arm to cross the goal line is a football move.one  that can only be done when you have control of a ball.

Dez should've cradled the ball with both hands instead of trying be a hero. He screwed up.

[ToxicAdam]

Yea it  was pretty jarring to watch the zipping passes of Andrew Luck versus the little butterflies that Peyton throws. Father Time wins again.

[Phoenix Dark]

Dallas got fucked by the Calvin Johnson rule, how ironic. On a serious note it's a horrible fucking rule, and should have been changed years ago. That was clearly a catch by any logical measurement...but the rule states otherwise.

Regardless I'm glad to see Dallas get got.

Denver going down...didn't expect that. Another textbook playoff performance from Manning.

[Mr. Gundam]

Saw it on GAF, but it's pretty amazing.

Julian Edelman and Peyton Manning have thrown the same amount of passing touch downs in these playoffs.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap3000000456971/Jerry-Jones-Officials-judgement-is-part-of-the-game

Respect for Jerry Jones *daps*

[Human Snorenado]

Eli gonna have more rings than Peyton

[Phoenix Dark]

Eli gonna have more rings than Peyton

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146994485&postcount=14700

[El Babua]

If the Pats win the SB, I'll concede Brady being the GOAT, at least for this era.

Rooting for Packers but wouldn't mind Seattle winning against Manning/Brady back to back.

[eleuin]

Can't believe it, but manning seems really done.

Don't know how much more cold weather noodle armed chokes he can take.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Manning is done...and the weird thing is it hit him all the sudden. I saw no decline the first 13 games of the year.

Well we have the following

Indy 21
New England  42

Seattle 21
Packers 14

imo....

Brady getting one more title, watch.

[Brehvolution]

Remember when the Broncos were looking for a FG kicker because that was the lone weak spot on the team.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Remember when the Broncos were looking for a FG kicker because that was the lone weak spot on the team.

We'd love to give them Johnny Football for a 7th round draft pick and Elway admitting Cleveland should have won the "fumble" game

 

Speaking out kickers....Billy (Only good from 30 yards tops) Cundiff cost us 3 games this year, I feel their pain.

[Brehvolution]

We were all upset the camera never showed disappointed John Elway in his box.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

We were all upset the camera never showed disappointed John Elway in his box.

His teeth reflect too much light.

[ToxicAdam]

If the Pats win the SB, I'll concede Brady being the GOAT, at least for this era.

I think it's already a foregone conclusion. When you take the short-list of GOAT's and compare their skill position players around them to Brady's, it's not even close. Brady has done more with less.


I think the problem is that his play is fairly unspectacular. Similar to Montana. You don't watch a highlight reel of them and come away thinking 'That's the best QB I've ever seen'. It's just an overall consistency and efficiency that's can't be shown in bite-sized clips.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

What separates Brady from anybody else are his leadership (he clearly runs that offense) and his ability in the clutch (as witnessed yesterday).

Some people have his leadership skills (Manning, Brees)

Some People have his clutch ability (Wilson)

The only other guy who has both is Aaron Rogers and he needs a couple of more titles to get into that picture.

[ToxicAdam]

It's still a team game. 'Clutch' and 'leadership' remarkably only works as good as the players and coaches around you.

Drew Brees' leadership didn't help rescue his season this year.

Championships and titles are a product of persistent franchise excellence. Not mystical forces that some people possess.

[TakingBackSunday]

Manning has been playing with a badly injured quad for over a month.  Woof.

[Brehvolution]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's still a team game. 'Clutch' and 'leadership' remarkably only works as good as the players and coaches around you.

Drew Brees' leadership didn't help rescue his season this year.

Championships and titles are a product of persistent franchise excellence. Not mystical forces that some people possess.

Oh really? How long did you play for?

Brady took a team of B team receivers headlined by Deion Branch and a backfield of 30+ year olds to a title.

Point out all the offensive studs on this team..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVI

I'll wait.

[TakingBackSunday]

We get it, AiA, you fucking played football

[Human Snorenado]

Not sure I buy this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/denver-broncos-let-coach-john-fox-go-after-another-playoff-loss-222321227.html

[Phoenix Dark]

Well the Bronocs had one job: win a Super Bowl. They got bounced in the first round against the Ravens in Mannings' first year, then embarrassed by the Seahawks in the SB, and this year they were upset by the Colts. Now Peyton is on his last legs/quads/thighs/neck/etc.

If true this would probably suggest Manning is either retiring or the Broncos plan on moving in another direction. I doubt Manning wants to learn another system at this stage. Not saying he'd struggle with it obviously, but at his age/health he probably doesn't want to deal with teaching the other guys a new system. Not to mention the free agency issues surrounding that offense.

Maybe he'll go to Buffalo for one last shot lol. Rex, Peyton, Sammy Watkins, CJ Spiller. Bolster the o-line and go.

[TakingBackSunday]

Bring Tebow back

[ToxicAdam]

It's still a team game. 'Clutch' and 'leadership' remarkably only works as good as the players and coaches around you.

Drew Brees' leadership didn't help rescue his season this year.

Championships and titles are a product of persistent franchise excellence. Not mystical forces that some people possess.

Oh really? How long did you play for?

Brady took a team of B team receivers headlined by Deion Branch and a backfield of 30+ year olds to a title.

Point out all the offensive studs on this team..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVI

I'll wait.

Matt Millen played football and he has shitty opinions too. Take your appeal to authority bullshit and shove it up your ass.


I guess it was Brady's amazing leadership that inspired the Pats defense to hold one of the most explosive offenses to 17 points. I suppose it was Eli Mannings amazing leadership that led the Giants to two titles. Pffft.

So keep churning out anecdotals to justify why you believe in voodoo.

[Phoenix Dark]

All things being equal, if I'm down a TD in the 4th quarter I take Rodgers over Brady. And I love Brady.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's still a team game. 'Clutch' and 'leadership' remarkably only works as good as the players and coaches around you.

Drew Brees' leadership didn't help rescue his season this year.

Championships and titles are a product of persistent franchise excellence. Not mystical forces that some people possess.

Oh really? How long did you play for?

Brady took a team of B team receivers headlined by Deion Branch and a backfield of 30+ year olds to a title.

Point out all the offensive studs on this team..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVI

I'll wait.

Matt Millen played football and he has shitty opinions too. Take your appeal to authority bullshit and shove it up your ass.


I guess it was Brady's amazing leadership that inspired the Pats defense to hold one of the most explosive offenses to 17 points. I suppose it was Eli Mannings amazing leadership that led the Giants to two titles. Pffft.

So keep churning out anecdotals to justify why you believe in voodoo.

You know I actually played with Tom right? But go ahead, keep shooting off your mouth. I find your type hilarious. There's always 20 future NFL coaches in every bar/church/wherever who couldn't point out the 2 gap much less understand what goes into playing the game at a higher level then Pop Warner. I don't go around telling people how to play soccer even though I watch it on TV, you know why? Because I didn't play the damn game.

Teams need leaders and guys who don't lock up in the clutch, especially at QB. Go back and watch the difference between Drew Henson and Tom Brady in college. WE kept trying to go to Henson because he had a big arm. It never worked out. Why? Because Drew Henson was a walking dick with ears and nobody respected him. No respect means nobody goes out of their way to make you look good. Guys would die for Brady...but not risk a broken hand defending henson.

It's not voodoo man, it's experience.

"Some of the guys seemed more than normally tense," Montana recalled, "especially Harris Barton, a great offensive tackle who has a tendency to get nervous." As usual, Montana was just focusing on the situation, how far they had to go and how much time was left. Just then he happened to spot the late actor John Candy in the stands. "Look" he said, 'isn't that John Candy." It was hardly what his teammates expected to hear in the huddle with the Super Bowl on the line. But it definitely broke the tension. "Everybody kind of smiled, and even Harris relaxed, and then we all concentrated on the job we had to do." - See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.aspx?RELEASE_ID=721#sthash.3uKGZOz0.dpuf

[Phoenix Dark]

I think both of you are right. Being clutch and being a leader are concepts that have been bastardized by the First Takes of the world to simplify complex games. Football is a team sport, it's not basketball where one man can directly control a game at all times. The Patriots have had strong defenses and a decent run game in their SB wins. If they had been built like those early Colts teams  - ie amazing offense and no defense - I'd imagine they would have been less successful.

Drew Brees is a great leader and his team respects him, but their defense imploded. Early in the season Brady looked done...due to a horrible o line that didn't give him time. The leaders and best don't always win. And there are team factors that determine your success.

That being said, teams without strong leaders rarely win it all. Brady is a master competitor whose teammates love him. Notice how he celebrates with the young guys after TDs unlike Manning and a lot of other QBs. Dude is amped up. And when you need that TD with a couple minutes to go you have confidence he can get the job done.

I wasn't a leader, sports wise. I found that my mouth would be so dry during games I could barely talk. But because I was the best player on the team my coach asked me to step up and lead. Because of my anxiety I could never really do it vocally, but I started leading by example. Usually after practice we would get some nachos and talk about video games. From then on I started working on my game after practice; I told my parents to pick me up 40min after practice ended, which is when the gym closed. After a couple days of that my teammates started working with me.

That's how I got to convince them to address various flaws in their game. We had a great pg who could drive to the rim, dish off, etc but couldn't shoot. So I worked on my perimeter defense by helping him practice finishing at the rim. We had a big man who couldn't shoot FTs so I set up a contest between us. Etc.

Now that I work in business I'm still not very verbal, but I make sure my team is on the same page and lead by example. I've played on sports teams and had job bosses who talk a lot but don't really win over the team/workers because they're an asshole or don't work hard or got the job for the wrong reasons. It doesn't work well.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Well said.

I think Brady is the perfect "CEO" for Bill's corporate style NFL team. He rarely insults his team, and when he does it's to motivate them, not tear them down.

I assure you behind closed doors people get straight lit up by Tom, but he's got the class and the sense not to do it in public. Keeping things in house only happens when the guy everybody looks up to adopts the philosophy.

Check that. We have Jerod Mayo here in Cleveland on the radio during drivetime. He was a special teamer on a couple of NE's super bowl team. He has stated many times when Tom came down on you, whether you played offense or defense, you listened. He talked about how some good players were let go or traded because they didn't toe the company line. Basically he said it went this this:

You're under performing
Your position coach comes to you

You continue to not play the patriot way
Your captain on D comes at you

You continue to not follow the path
Tom addresses you in private...which he did to Mayo a few times. And you know he's talking for Bill.

You still don't conform
You get traded for a 5th round draft pick. Which kills your value.

Now obviously there have been exceptions to this rule. He definitely was not in favor of Belichek trading Logan Mankins away. That much was clear for anybody who cared to listen to how Tom felt on the subject.


Could Beli have won a title with another QB? Probably. Could he have what he has in NE without Brady? No fucking chance.  Which is why I firmly believe when Brady goes, so does Bill.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/14/ray-lewis-we-only-know-who-tom-brady-is-because-of-the-tuck-rule/


Ray Lewis lol.

[TakingBackSunday]

that fucking gif 

[Phoenix Dark]

Meh. I'd bet money a First Take producer suggested he say that. ESPN's standard operating procedure is to trot out retired players to make names for themselves by saying outrageous shit. Ray is on record as saying Brady is one of the greatest players he's ever faced, he respects him, etc...so suddenly he retires and changes his mind? Nah...

The entire point of First Take is to generate fake buzz with outrageous, hyperbolic comments. Just a few days ago Skip said Cardale Jones is already a better QB than Cam Newton. How can any serious sports fan watch that shit?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Meh. I'd bet money a First Take producer suggested he say that. ESPN's standard operating procedure is to trot out retired players to make names for themselves by saying outrageous shit. Ray is on record as saying Brady is one of the greatest players he's ever faced, he respects him, etc...so suddenly he retires and changes his mind? Nah...

The entire point of First Take is to generate fake buzz with outrageous, hyperbolic comments. Just a few days ago Skip said Cardale Jones is already a better QB than Cam Newton. How can any serious sports fan watch that shit?

Skip is a fuckhead of the highest degree.


Also Jones is making his decision at 3pm. An insider on the radio said he found out he is probably going in the 2nd round and is going to declare.

6'5  250 run a 4.4 40 with a monster arm.....somebody will draft him on his tools alone. I think he needs to sit a year to learn to read defenses though or they'll eat him alive.

[TakingBackSunday]

If he's in the second round, Cleveland should take him.  Just for the fuckery of it all

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If he's in the second round, Cleveland should take him.  Just for the fuckery of it all

I'm gonna go ahead and go full on Skip Bayless and say he's already better than Johnny Football.

[Phoenix Dark]

Dunno if he's better but he has NFL talent and measurements, which JFF does not have.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Dunno if he's better but he has NFL talent and measurements, which JFF does not have.

He's the great unknown. No defense he played against really had a lot of time or availability of film to break down.

I think it's a a good idea to declare though. If he plays poorly next season it would cost him a lot of money.

[Phoenix Dark]

The starting job is probably his to lose, but at the same time...Barrett is a better QB, and more mature. Jones is a guy who plays around a lot...there's no telling how he'd handle himself during a winter/spring/summer of being The Man. Will he work as hard as I know Barrett will work? I'm biased because he's my cousin but still...dude works hard and will be gunning for his spot back.

Jones should go pro. If he loses the starter job next year his draft stock would drop significantly.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The starting job is probably his to lose, but at the same time...Barrett is a better QB, and more mature. Jones is a guy who plays around a lot...there's no telling how he'd handle himself during a winter/spring/summer of being The Man. Will he work as hard as I know Barrett will work? I'm biased because he's my cousin but still...dude works hard and will be gunning for his spot back.

Jones should go pro. If he loses the starter job next year his draft stock would drop significantly.

Barrett has pro tools too man. He literally has the best play action fake handoff in the NCAA. Sounds silly, really isn't.

I don't see JT being a starter at the pro level but I can see him carving out a nice career being a backup.

Jones can go either way.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/01/14/matthew-stafford-kelly-hall-engagement/21773411/

that's my quarterback

[Am_I_Anonymous]

That's the only pass he hasn't overthrown all year!

[Brehvolution]

Jones looks a little slow for the NFL right now. He won't get 5 and 6 second reads there. He is massive, can take NFL hits, and will be hard to bring down so that's a plus. He will be in the NFL I'm sure, but I'm not sold on him needing to declare this year.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Jones looks a little slow for the NFL right now. He won't get 5 and 6 second reads there. He is massive, can take NFL hits, and will be hard to bring down so that's a plus. He will be in the NFL I'm sure, but I'm not sold on him needing to declare this year.

Well let's look at Brett Hundley from UCLA.

If he would have declared last year he would have been a sure fire 1st round pick. Instead he choose to wait because he didn't see himself being drafted early enough in the 1st round (or as he says, he "liked college")  with Bridgewater and the others out there.

However, even though he posted very similiar stats to last year this season, his value has taken a tumble because the NFL didn't see enough improvement from the year before.

Sometimes it's just better to go out.

He would have been a Top 20 pick last year and this year he's probably a top 40 guy but won't go before Winston, Mariota, or even Jones at this point.