USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town

[Cauliflower Of Love]

That's one of the stupidest posts I've read, and i don't have nintex blocked anymore

 

[Himu]

https://archive.ph/1m1YK

WAPO: DeSantis is Hitler.

Lul American media has learned nothing and will never learn anything. Keep pushing. Keep calling DeSantis a fascist. Keep building him up single handedly the way you did with Trump with drooling histrionics. Every time there's a Republican presidential candidate the liberal (and arguably leftist) media makes a case for why it will be Armageddon this time. Keep it up! I'm hoping for Ron DeSantis 2024!

[Occam]

Another Flop From GOP Productions

David Frum

In 2006 and 2018, Democrats won control of the U.S. House of Representatives on the way to winning the presidency two years later.

In 1994 and 2010, Republicans won control of the U.S. House of Representatives. They then lost the presidency two years later.

The difference? Discipline.

The leader of the Democratic majority elected in 2006 and 2018 was Nancy Pelosi. She restrained emotions in her caucus. After 2006, many Democrats burned with anger against the Bush administration—some even talked of impeaching George W. Bush over the Iraq War. Speaker Pelosi would not allow it. Her vision was to use control of the House to prepare the way for the impending presidential election so that Democrats could then legislate. The passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010 rewarded her strategy.

By contrast, the Republican majority elected in 1994 and 2010 lunged immediately into total war. In 1994, the leaders, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, wanted and led the total war. In 2010, Speaker John Boehner opposed the lunge and tried, largely in vain, to control it. In both cases, the result was the same: a government shutdown in 1995, a near default on U.S. debt obligations in 2011, and a conspiratorial extremism that frightened mainstream voters back to the party of the president.

The signs strongly indicate that the next Republican House majority will follow the pattern of its predecessors.

The most urgent of those warning signs is Republicans’ urge to base their program for the next Congress on an investigation of President Joe Biden’s son Hunter. On November 18, the next chair of the House Oversight Committee, James Comer of Kentucky, and his colleague due to chair the House Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan of Ohio, held a press conference to offer their theory of what they would find: corrupt business dealings that implicate the president himself.

Why Republicans would want to believe this holds little mystery. From 2017 to 2021, Republicans supported and defended a strikingly corrupt president whose children disregarded nepotism rules to enrich themselves and their businesses. The administration opened with a special favor from the government of Japan to Donald Trump’s daughter and closed with a $2 billion investment by the government of Saudi Arabia for the president’s son-in-law—despite written warnings from the Saudi government’s outside advisers about excessive fees, inexperienced management, and operations that were “unsatisfactory in all aspects.”

How do partisans try to neutralize four years of nonstop genuine scandals? By ginning up an equal and opposite scandal against the other team. The Trump family may have been the most crooked ever to occupy the White House, and on a scale impossible to deny or ignore. During Trump’s administration, his hotel business exacted payments on Pennsylvania Avenue from corporations, individuals, and foreign governments as a condition of presidential favor and charged the Secret Service fees simply so that it could do its job of protecting the president. Trump himself elevated his son-in-law to de facto positions as a chief of staff and a national security adviser. Meanwhile, the president’s other children headed family businesses that profited from the presidency.

If that record cannot be denied, then maybe it can be diminished or rendered somehow acceptable by alleging that Trump’s successor is doing the same thing. But in their whataboutism, Republicans are forgetting a lesson they should have learned in 1995–96: Don’t oversell, and even more important, don’t talk yourself into believing the false narrative you hope to sell to others.

Back in 1995, there was one thing that probably every voting American knew about President Bill Clinton: He was not a good husband. But he won the election of 1992 despite revelations of his improper behavior. At another time, that would have removed the allegations from further politics: The voters had adjudicated. No point relitigating the issue.

Republicans, however, chose to relitigate it. They needed to reframe the old, rejected scandal into a new, possibly more exciting scandal. They focused on a very particular question. Clinton had survived scandal in 1992 in large part because his wife, Hillary Clinton, had joined him on television, publicly forgiven him, and asked his critics to back off. Republicans allowed themselves to speculate on why she had done that. The answer they arrived at was that Hillary Clinton was the central figure in an extensive web of criminality who forgave Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct so that he would protect her financial wrongdoing, up to and including drug smuggling and murder. Those latter, crazy-sounding allegations became the basis for dozens of editorials in The Wall Street Journal, so many that when ultimately published in book form, they filled six paperback volumes.

I was part of this world at the time, and I observed people who should have known better talking themselves into deeply believing these fantasies. They became a core part of the Republican critique of the Clinton presidency—and led to the spectacular failure of that critique in the presidential election of 1996 and the congressional elections of 1998.

It was as if the Republicans had started this dialogue with the electorate:

Republicans: Do you know that Bill Clinton is an unfaithful husband?

Voters: Yes.

Republicans: Don’t you care?

Voters: No.

Republicans: What if we told you that Bill and Hillary Clinton ran a massive international-crime syndicate and that they are implicated in multiple murders and cover-ups?

Voters: We’d say, “You guys are delusional maniacs.”

Republicans in 2022 seem to be writing a similar dialogue for 2023.

Republicans: Do you know that Hunter Biden is a financial and emotional mess?

Voters: Now we do.

Republicans: Don’t you care?

Voters: No.

Republicans: Do you know that Joe Biden wrote notes telling his son he loved him despite his troubles, and also let his son stay in his house when his son was down on his luck?

Voters: That sounds like a good thing.

Republicans: What if we told you that Joe and Hunter Biden ran a massive international-crime syndicate and that they are implicated in sex trafficking and cover-ups?

You can foresee where this dialogue is heading.

With the Clinton scandals, voters proved able to distinguish between the true parts, which they rejected as uninteresting, and the interesting parts, which they rejected as untrue. Voters will likely prove just as shrewd in the 2020s as they were in the 1990s. They demonstrated again in the elections of 2022 just how unimpressed they were by the extremist fantasies of the conservative fringe.

But Republicans are more and more isolated in their ideological information networks and seem even less connected to mainstream America today than they were a generation ago. They so passionately believe the stories they hear that they forget who confected those stories: themselves.

There are real questions for a Republican majority to investigate in the coming session of Congress: Why was the Biden administration caught so by surprise at the collapse of the Afghan government and military? What can actually be determined about the origins of the coronavirus pandemic? How did immigration controls at the southern border fail, and why haven’t those controls been fixed yet? But all of those questions lead to issues of policy, and policy is notoriously tangled, complicated, and difficult.

What Republicans want instead is an excuse for their enabling of Trump. They yearn to spread their fantasy narrative that Biden’s attempts to be a supportive father to an errant son are the moral equivalent of the Trump family’s looting of the U.S. government. Fantasies don’t survive contact with reality, including the democratic reality of elections.

Unfortunately, fantasies can be generated faster than reality can puncture them. So off we go with a repeat of an old show—written, directed, and performed by a production company oblivious that it is chasing box-office success by remaking a three-decade-old flop.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/republicans-house-hearings-hunter-biden/672197/

Excellent article that presumably won't be read by the people who should read it.

[benjipwns]

So people voted against anti-crazies Bob Dole and Mitt Romney and for Republican Congressional candidates to punish the overreach of the crazies in the Republican Houses? This is the Frum theory?

[Occam]

I think his theory is what he actually wrote in the article.

[benjipwns]

I think his theory is what he actually wrote in the article.

That's literally what he actually wrote in the article:

By contrast, the Republican majority elected in 1994 and 2010 lunged immediately into total war. In 1994, the leaders, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, wanted and led the total war. In 2010, Speaker John Boehner opposed the lunge and tried, largely in vain, to control it. In both cases, the result was the same: a government shutdown in 1995, a near default on U.S. debt obligations in 2011, and a conspiratorial extremism that frightened mainstream voters back to the party of the president.

[Occam]

R voters seem to love the crazy. Everyone else, not so much.

[benjipwns]

Okay, but those voters didn't vote for the Democrats either. The House (source of the alleged problem) outperformed the Presidential candidate (both moderates) in both elections helping to maintain Republican control and the Senate didn't switch parties either time.

Two-Party Popular Vote Share:
1996: 45-50-51 (Dole - R House - R Senate)
2012: 48-49-44 (Romney - R House - R Senate)

2020 is bad for Frum's Pelosi theory too, the House Democrats (51.6%) underperformed Biden (52.3%).

[Occam]

I think his point was that the crazy behavior didn't lead to R presidency.
And in 2022, it led to D not losing the Senate, and barely losing the House, which is unusual.

[benjipwns]

I think his point was that the crazy behavior didn't lead to R presidency.

I know, that's why I asked:

So people voted against anti-crazies Bob Dole and Mitt Romney and for Republican Congressional candidates to punish the overreach of the crazies in the Republican Houses? This is the Frum theory?

[Occam]

Yes, he seems to say voters were ok with an R House but not an R presidency. Meaning, if not for the craziness, R could have won the presidency, too. We'll see if his theory checks out in 2024.

[benjipwns]

But that's an utterly stupid theory.

[Himu]

And as usual, the media and activists run like chicken little to push a narrative before any facts come out. All this inane talk for dayyyys about how legitimate criticism of the trans and gender cult led to these deaths and that conservatives had blood on our hands. And then....

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/22/anderson-lee-aldrich-club-q-shooting-non-binary/

Turns out the killer was non binary.



I'm going to go back to posting Libs of Tik Tok. The way the left politicize killings, from this shooting to Uvalde ("kids deaths are on your hands!!!") makes me sick with fury. Constant emotional blackmail. Like I said before: ideological imperialists.and more importantly, guilty before proven innocent..

That said, I'm still waiting. For all I know this could be a lie.

[Uncle]

Turns out the killer was non binary.

productive discussion on the subject:

[benjipwns]

productive discussion on the subject:

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"please respect everyone's chosen pronouns"

[Himu]

Turns out the killer was non binary.

productive discussion on the subject:

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Look at meeee, I'm a liberal and I'm an activist and have made being an activist my personality trait that needs to be inserted into everything

Lul. Clout chasing lefties. Their horrific culture can't die soon enough. At this point in five years time they'll make activism a part of job interviews. "How do you feel about climate change?" "Do you have a Twitter? We do not do business with individuals that operate on that platform."

Disgusting communists.

[Himu]

They're now treating him like a victim on the pretext of identity.

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595262436143235073

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595266085053689857

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595266345448398848

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595270147421388802

This guy was blaming Carlson and LOTT and now he's shoving a big, fat non binary cock down his mouth. What did I say yesterday? A culture of mediocrity. Your brain on leftism.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1595268383020384256

Keep your eye on the ball fellas

[benjipwns]

They're now treating him like a victim on the pretext of identity.

This guy was blaming Carlson and LOTT and now he's shoving a big, fat non binary cock down his mouth. What did I say yesterday? A culture of mediocrity. Your brain on leftism.

Because The Bire embeds show two tweets in threads you can just link every other tweet and all four will be readable instead of posting every link which will repeat the same ones in the thread. Not criticizing, just offering a tip about keeping the number of Twitter embeds in a post down.

Anyway, this dude who openly puts disinformation in his "reporting" and doesn't give a shit about tweeting false things constantly is going through some personal issues on live TV because nobody is listening to his reporting and arresting everyone on the planet or whatever:
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595046538098708480

[Nintex]

I liked MSNBC better when it was just Trump calling in at 8AM from his golden toilet to try and bait Joe into admitting he cheated on his wife with his co-host

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1595241072971481089

 

[Potato]

What's the problem? Herschel has a hard on for democracy. Doesn't everyone?

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Except Occam and the rest of the commies who want to install some sort of Marxist hellscape.

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[Occam]

Are these commies in the room with you right now?

Dear Mr. Potato Head, why do you keep claiming I'm a leftist/commie/marxist? Please do take your brain medication.

[BIONIC]

This Occam/Potato rivalry is great. Carry on, friends 

[BisMarckie]

This Occam/Potato rivalry is great. Carry on, friends 

We haven't seen a turbo autisty like Occam for a long time, we better not scare him off.

[Nintex]

Mr. Potato head is a good one   

Hate the game not the player bro's

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1595241072971481089

 

I love it when politicians fuck up like this.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1596314613733548033

Trump throws nick under the bus 

[BIONIC]

“Anyway, we got along great, he expressed no anti-semitism”

This is a wonderful statement

[Nintex]

And Republicans think they can challenge this guy in a debate 

Also Trump is supporting Lindells bid for RNC chair.

Yes, Mike Lindell wants to be RNC chair. 

[Potato]

How do we not have a pillow guy emote?

[D3RANG3D]

[james]

“Anyway, we got along great, he expressed no anti-semitism”

This is a wonderful statement

Jared is in Qatar lol

[BIONIC]

“Anyway, we got along great, he expressed no anti-semitism”

This is a wonderful statement

Jared is in Qatar lol

Continuing his successful mission of spreading peace to the Middle East 

[james]

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597268364606705665

[james]

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597278242867908609


STOP THE COUNT

[Potato]

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597268364606705665

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597278242867908609


STOP THE COUNT

Lol, yanks gotta Yankee doodle dandy

[Nintex]

[Occam]

Looks like Himu left New York just in time:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/29/nyregion/nyc-mentally-ill-involuntary-custody.html

[benjipwns]

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They didn't have to because, and this is key to your plight Donald, she complied with the law at the time:

On December 5, 2014, Clinton lawyers delivered 12 file boxes filled with printed paper containing more than 30,000 emails. Clinton withheld almost 32,000 emails deemed to be of a personal nature.[18] Datto, Inc., which provided data backup service for Clinton's email, agreed to give the FBI the hardware that stored the backups.[42]

How do you think they knew how many e-mails got deleted?

You just had to give the shit back one of the many times they asked.

[james]

Putin?

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1597928444079140864

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ACKCurrent/status/1597362183788429313

Apparently caused by an ignored recall

[james]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1598098224593702913

[Himu]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/eu-warns-musk-that-twitter-faces-ban-over-content-moderation-ft-2022-11-30/

EU threatens to deplatforn Twitter.

Let me get this straight: literal child porn and terrorists okay. Censoring the "correct" people, okay. Opening Twitter up to be more fair and less politically biased, and you are a threat to the world. All this has done is reveal to anyone with a brain what the establishment wants, and yes the left is the establishment.

Try it EU. Try your holier than thou attitude. What even is hate speech anymore? Criticism aimed at any minority group? Literal terrorists are allowed but don't you dare say nothing mean!

Breton told Musk he must adhere to a checklist of rules, including ditching an "arbitrary" approach to reinstating banned users and agreeing to an "extensive independent audit" of the platform by next year, according to the report

Truly proving the left to be the true fascists in their high pursuit of censorship. Suck my big black dick, fascists. I guess only Government - whether the White House or these European cunts - are allowed to have any opinion these days. Get fucked.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1597709400395112448

Communism is brain disease. Call the gotdamn exorcist.

[Himu]

In other news, Brooklynite Hakeem Jeffries was voted as Minority House Leader in a "historic" vote. "Historic" in scare quotes because the modern Democratic Party has to pick a black person, gay, or woman. It's to be expected.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3756296-in-historic-vote-democrats-pick-jeffries-to-replace-pelosi-as-party-leader/

All this time talking about how "NY Dems don't reflect the Democratic Party!" and lo and behold, picking a NY Brooklynite as Party Leader. I see you, picking these sickening fascist NY Democrats as leader. No ma'am/sir/they!

[Himu]

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-war-europe-ukraine-gas-inflation-reduction-act-ira-joe-biden-rift-west-eu-accuses-us-of-profiting-from-war/

Let Europe  deal with their own crap.

Blame USA for every problem while acting like a proverbial leech tied to our gut, sucking our blood, resources, in exchange for protection all while they toot escargot farts. During all of this they helped contributed and sent their own weapons and support to Ukraine but noooooow it's an American problem. Suck my black dick you filthy Euros. Bunch of virtue signaling f words.

You want to play poker? USA should threaten to leave NATO.

[Himu]

Orange Man meeting Nick Fuentes, is lol satire shit by the way. Meeting a literal Nazi who is obviously a Mexican going by his name. Trump's circle is getting extremely small for him to entertain this shit and it's glorious.

Ever since the midterms I've checked to see if conservative media will remain anti-Trump given the obvious rescind on Trumpism in the election cycle and...even Breitbart is turning on the Big T, and I don't be mean trans.

Like holy shit.

Trump Dined at Mar-a-Lago with White Nationalist, Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes Alongside Kanye West; UPDATE – Trump Responds, ‘Had Never Met and Knew Nothing About’ Fuentes

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/

[Sman]

Orange Man meeting Nick Fuentes, is lol satire shit by the way. Meeting a literal Nazi who is obviously a Mexican going by his name. Trump's circle is getting extremely small for him to entertain this shit and it's glorious.

Ever since the midterms I've checked to see if conservative media will remain anti-Trump given the obvious rescind on Trumpism in the election cycle and...even Breitbart is turning on the Big T, and I don't be mean trans.

Like holy shit.

Trump Dined at Mar-a-Lago with White Nationalist, Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes Alongside Kanye West; UPDATE – Trump Responds, ‘Had Never Met and Knew Nothing About’ Fuentes

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/

The average BB reader seems very MAGA to me, if the comment section is anything to go by.

[Pissy F Benny]

They are but Andrew Breitbart was jewish.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

The evil is defeated!

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1598364291316518913

[Himu]

Orange Man meeting Nick Fuentes, is lol satire shit by the way. Meeting a literal Nazi who is obviously a Mexican going by his name. Trump's circle is getting extremely small for him to entertain this shit and it's glorious.

Ever since the midterms I've checked to see if conservative media will remain anti-Trump given the obvious rescind on Trumpism in the election cycle and...even Breitbart is turning on the Big T, and I don't be mean trans.

Like holy shit.

Trump Dined at Mar-a-Lago with White Nationalist, Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes Alongside Kanye West; UPDATE – Trump Responds, ‘Had Never Met and Knew Nothing About’ Fuentes

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/

The average BB reader seems very MAGA to me, if the comment section is anything to go by.

I was talking about outlets not readers. Like a lot of folks thought post midterms the conservative media would be harsh on Trump and then go back to sucking his cock but nope, they've stayed the course. Meanwhile Trump is drowning along with figures like Nick Fuentes and ....Kanye West. Not good for reelection being tied to such company.

2024 gets more and more grim for Trump. Come on DeSantis!

[benjipwns]

The average BB reader seems very MAGA to me, if the comment section is anything to go by.

They are but Andrew Breitbart was jewish.

Breitbart was different before he was murdered by the deep state and Steve Bannon took over. Brietbart wanted an openly conservative tabloid that wouldn't turn down stories, Bannon wanted a platform to overthrow the West and save white people. The Brietbart comments have always been to the "right" of the writers, when Bannon gave up control to join the actual Trump team the comments were constantly attacking the writers for "undermining" Trump by publishing any non-positive story about him or publishing positive stories but not framing it exactly as Trump did. (i.e. Trump defeats Mueller yet again but you didn't put "WITCHUNT" in the headline SO FUUUUUCCCK OOOOFFFFOOOOFFFFFFFF LIEBERAL) I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons Trump dismissed Bannon is that he had enough integrity to insist on Breitbart sticking to the larger overall message instead of blind loyalty for Trump, especially after Trump hired him. (Because Trump has no idea how the media, or much of anything, works he probably assumed Bannon would keep day to day control over the website while working in the White House. I also assume that Trump didn't actually believe it when Bannon outright told him he supported Trump because he saw Trump as the best current vessel to get Bannon what he wanted.)

[Nintex]

Mike Lindell is officially running for RNC chair

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1598450042012327936

Speaker West? Tucker? Trump (jr.)?

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1598471626638913537

Trump should sue for copyright infringement

[Himu]

Obama

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Democrats side with corporations over workers.
 





 

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[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1598471626638913537

Not surprised this guy wants to mock the issues that matter to us EVERYDAY AMERICANS.

[Himu]

GOP talking heads: shut up and dribble

Also GOP talking heads: let's placate and platform a mentally ill bipolar man because he's a celebrity.



I am Republican but this is really bad being associated with these people. But thinking of it, the left placates mentally ill activists too. So it really is bipartisan.

[Himu]

Democrats side with corporations over workers.
 



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