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Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2040 on:** May 18, 2011, 10:29:01 PM »

Oh yeah, there is no way they were gonna win by 20-plus every game. Not the team that struggled against the freakin' Hawks.

I tell a lie about Bibby's contributions - he did get a rebound a few mins ago. It landed in his hands from behind - he was shocked!

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2041 on:** May 18, 2011, 10:48:30 PM »

Not sure why plays aren't being called for Wade and Lebron. Those two should be the only two guys taking shots this entire fourth quarter. Why don't those two run pick and roll plays together to free each other up either for a drive or a pick and pop.

I've never seen two superstars on the same team who seem to not be able to complement each other or have lots of plays involving both of them together.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2042 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:07:13 PM »

Neither is a great pop option though. You know they're gonna roll every time, so it is relatively easy for a help defender to get over and shut the drive off

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2043 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:08:03 PM »

Nice close out for the heat. It wasn't pretty but it was tense and heated. And their defense completely shut down the Bulls and the bulls couldn't hit shit. The bulls seem to go the way of their outside shooting. If its decent they are tough. If not its all Rose on drives and missed jumpers from the outside.

This series is gonna be a slobberknocker.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2044 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:08:35 PM »

And let me add, if Bibby, Z, Miller etc is on the floor - there will ALWAYS be a help defender to spare

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2045 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:20:27 PM »

Chicago scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were 4 of 16 from the field in the 4th. Rose missed 4 shots in the 4th. He made no field goals in the 4th.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2046 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:24:03 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:20:27 PM

Chicago scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were 4 of 12. Rose missed 4 shots in the 4th. He made no field goals in the 4th.

It's the Colin Cowherd Curse. He was basically falling down on his knees, ready to crown Chicago after that first game and bashing Miami over "matchup issues".

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2047 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:25:36 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 11:24:03 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Chicago scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were 4 of 12. Rose missed 4 shots in the 4th. He made no field goals in the 4th.

It's the Colin Cowherd Curse. He was basically falling down on his knees, ready to crown Chicago after that first game and bashing Miami over "matchup issues".

I'm a bit guilty of that myself.

Mandark · « **Reply #2048 on:** May 18, 2011, 11:43:58 PM »

LeBron did too good a job in closing it out. If he had missed a couple of those, it would have helped Miami's record in close games. Tsk tsk.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2049 on:** May 19, 2011, 01:11:21 AM »

Too bad I had to miss the game tonight. It seemed like an exciting game with lots of high flying stuff, which I love.

Like y'all, I was pretty sure that Spoelstra was gonna screw things up. #1 thought on my mind in Game 1 was WTF Bibby in the game. He's clearly done. I see guys everyday at the gym that would blow by him easily.

I used to think that Stoney was too hard on Spoelstra but it's clear that he's just not ready yet for the highest level of basketball.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2050 on:** May 19, 2011, 01:54:25 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 01:11:21 AM

Too bad I had to miss the game tonight. It seemed like an exciting game with lots of high flying stuff, which I love.

Like y'all, I was pretty sure that Spoelstra was gonna screw things up. #1 thought on my mind in Game 1 was WTF Bibby in the game. He's clearly done. I see guys everyday at the gym that would blow by him easily.

I used to think that Stoney was too hard on Spoelstra but it's clear that he's just not ready yet for the highest level of basketball.

It wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing basketball but it was most intense defensive game in all of the playoffs so far. I can enjoy a good defensive game as much as a good offensive one.

My problems with Spoelstra is that if a dumbass like me sitting on the couch is seeing some things then a paid professional coach damn well should be. Why he didn't try to play Haslem in the first game baffles me. Why he tried to play Magloire in these last two games baffles me. Even Big Z would be more useful than him and he's been mostly useless. Of course early in the playoffs Spolestra was starting Big Z (and Bibby) even though it was clear that was a terrible starting lineup because in nearly every single game, they were getting off to incredibly slow starts. All the media was talking about it but he kept doing it game after game until it finally sunk in that it wasn't going to work. I don't understand coaching like that. He justs seems out of his element and scared. Like Cormacaroni said, scared of Riley and scared of the big three and scared of the media and being second guessed. I have to assume Riley sees something which is why he keeps him around (or he is an easy puppet for Riley to work through)

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2051 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:04:00 AM »

I think Riley just don't want people to accuse him of once again screwing over another protege when the talent is good enough to win a championship. If Riley were to come back, he's going to first let everyone see that Spoelstra is clearly not up to the job, which is gonna be much easier than it was with Stan Van Gundy.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2052 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:13:37 AM »

Oh, he is totally Riley's creature. I mean, he started out as a video editor, for Christ's sake.

So I envision things like Riley conning Bibby into giving up $6 million to play for the Heat, then Riley basically making Spoelstra the proverbial offer he can't refuse. It probably took all kinds of backstage shenanigans just to get Ilgauskas benched, given that he is LeBron's creature.

Still, it's a good thing the Heat are semi-crippled by the rest of their roster really. Even an incompetent is going to be able to put together an amazing roster for them over the next couple of years...we should enjoy this competitive basketball while it lasts.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2053 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:25:13 AM »

Yeah, it is fun to see Wade and Lebron have to play like mad men every game in order to win. It's like Jordan and Pippen again but several times harder because their styles don't mesh as well and the supporting cast is significantly worse.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2054 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:40:43 AM »

Yeah, it's interesting how this team is actually closer to early editions of the Bulls than it is Bird-McHale-Parrish or Magic-Kareem-Worthy or even KG-Ray-Pierce. I mean, Bosh has been revealed as no more impactful than Horace Grant (great guy to have around, but not somebody that can carry the team very often...). Spoelstra is no Phil Jackson of course.

The team will look way better once Mike Miller and Haslem are fully healthy again and some of the current murderer's row of incompetents are banished to the end of the bench. If the Heat had Miller as an actual shooting threat right now, their offense would look sooo much better. He isn't even TRYING to shoot.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2055 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:45:39 AM »

Miller has been a major disappointment. Guy was supposed to be one of the best 5 shooters in the league and an acceptable defender/rebounder. What happened to great US white players? $:-\$

Haslem was ridiculous though. It's like the docs gave him cybernetic legs. I've never seen him jump that high.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2056 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:49:17 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 02:45:39 AM

Miller has been a major disappointment. Guy was supposed to be one of the best 5 shooters in the league and an acceptable defender/rebounder. What happened to great US white players? $:-\$

Haslem was ridiculous though. It's like the docs gave him cybernetic legs. I've never seen him jump that high.

Not to overly defend Miller but he's been fucked up injury wise all year. People say he can't even really honestly shoot with his thumb injuries since it got re-injured when he came back.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2057 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:51:38 AM »

Yeah, it's obvious he is still hurt. He is an underrated rebounder and passer so they still throw him out there a bit, but he has no value even as a decoy anymore. The scouting report on him probably just reads 'CAN'T SHOOT. WON'T SHOOT'

Mandark · « **Reply #2058 on:** May 19, 2011, 02:59:07 AM »

He didn't shoot a ton with the Wizards while he was here, but that seemed more about him thinking "This team is going nowhere, I like playing basketball, why not do some drive-and-kick until I'm on a contender and they're forcing me to take corner 3's again?"

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2059 on:** May 19, 2011, 04:06:32 AM »

holy shit at the PER!

http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7424/bibbys-productivity-reaches-all-time-low

9 assists so far in the playoffs!

That's a frisky 1st quarter for Rondo.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2060 on:** May 19, 2011, 04:10:38 AM »

SMH @ Spoelstra

No amount of agressiveness could turn a 1.1 PER guy into an acceptable member of a playoff rotation.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2061 on:** May 19, 2011, 08:48:57 AM »

I think Bibby plays so much even though he has been terrible simply because the Heat have so few players who can play in the front court or backcourt and handle the ball and take some pressure of Wade or Lebron handling it all the time.

Chalmers played 5 minutes last night and had 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in that time. So the pg position for them often becomes a case of picking your poison.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2062 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:19:55 PM »

bump?

who ya got today everybody. I think Westbrook rebounds today and it is a really tight game with the Mavs taking it again.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2063 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:21:34 PM »

I got the Thunder, I can't see Dirk playing that well again. Besides, last game actually was close for a lot of it. Thunder!

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2064 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:51:42 PM »

Thunder bench playing great defense at the moment.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2065 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:53:27 PM »

from Twitter - FreeDarko
That dunk deserves an assist for JVG's line: "When you dunk like that, you should be allowed to say whatever you want to whoever you want."

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2066 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:55:18 PM »

haha yeah

Barea beeing pretty good so far

Beezy · « **Reply #2067 on:** May 19, 2011, 11:02:31 PM »

I have no idea who will win this series. I'd like to see Dirk get a ring though.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2068 on:** May 19, 2011, 11:35:01 PM »

Just started watching at the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter. Two huge stops by Collison on Dirk. I think Dirk just underestimated Collison a little and got careless with the ball.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2069 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:25:57 AM »

I've surprised myself by rooting for the Mavs. Thunder earned the win tonight though.

Mandark · « **Reply #2070 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:37:08 AM »

There's nobody on the Mavs I don't like, and I'm a sucker for the "one last big heist before retiring" cliche. Hell, I own a Brendan Haywood jersey.

Beezy · « **Reply #2071 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:44:09 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2011, 01:37:08 AM

There's nobody on the Mavs I don't like, and I'm a sucker for the "one last big heist before retiring" cliche. Hell, I own a Brendan Haywood jersey.

I don't like anyone dumb enough to get neck or face tats, so you can guess who I don't like...

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2072 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:52:38 AM »

Yeah, they're an appealing bunch. Chandler is awesome to watch (can you imagine him playing against Noah in a Finals game 7? They'd kill each other), Barea is constantly hilarious, Dirk is like no-one else, Terry is an incredible shooter, and Kidd has the greatest old man game EVER.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2073 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:53:11 AM »

(what am I saying, 2nd best. Stockton!)

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2074 on:** May 22, 2011, 02:23:19 AM »

Some truly abysmal 3-point shooting really killed OKC tonight. Looked like they were going to take the game in the last few minutes anyway, but they just had too far to go and couldn't quite make it. Game 4 is going to be very interesting, I think.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2075 on:** May 22, 2011, 02:30:48 AM »

What a confusing series. I don't know who to take

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2076 on:** May 22, 2011, 03:14:49 AM »

It's very hard for me to care about the OKC/Dallas series. I just want to get back to the MIA/CHI one

etiolate · « **Reply #2077 on:** May 22, 2011, 05:25:31 AM »

I think it's the reverse for me. I actually enjoy watching Dallas play.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2078 on:** May 22, 2011, 08:59:53 AM »

I like both series but its very hard for me to believe that either of those two teams out west can beat either of the two teams in the east in a 7 game series.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2079 on:** May 22, 2011, 08:24:29 PM »

Would you still be thinking that if it was the Lakers and the Spurs in the WCF though?

(rather than the teams that beat them or that beat the teams that beat them...)

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2080 on:** May 22, 2011, 08:48:02 PM »

both teams playing tough defense already, but it makes each offense look terrible

oh, and when can we start calling travels on drives? Rose had like a 6 step lay-up without dribbling

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2081 on:** May 22, 2011, 10:44:14 PM »

Man, who would've thought this would've been the Chris Bosh show? 32 points so far, 5 rebounds. Earlier he had more than Wade and Lebron combined.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2082 on:** May 22, 2011, 11:03:45 PM »

Miami in good position now to take this series. Looking like Miami Dallas now.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2083 on:** May 22, 2011, 11:12:22 PM »

LOL at the crowd behind them shouting Barkley sucks.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #2084 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:07:41 PM »

The hell is this DON'T SAY "GAY" NEMORE, OK GUYS commercial I just saw? So embarrassing

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2085 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:22:05 PM »

Nice game from the Thunder tonight. They aren't going to just be pushed out.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2086 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:40:00 PM »

Dirk is insane

Terry just blew a two on 1.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2087 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:45:32 PM »

Insane Dallas comeback here.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2088 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:48:07 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2089 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:01:11 AM »

Crushing loss for the Thunder if they lose this.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #2090 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:07:06 AM »

Series over

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2091 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:07:44 AM »

game over.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2092 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:22:20 AM »

It was weird. Once harden fouled out their offense just collapsed. They took way too many bad outside shots and didn't drive the ball enough.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2093 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:25:19 AM »

losing two home games is CRUSHING. series over.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2094 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:26:58 AM »

I feel so happy for Malek

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2095 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:27:29 AM »

It better be over for the Mav's sake or they will go down as the biggest choking franchise ever.

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Of the 200 teams that have taken 3-1 leads, only eight failed to win the series.

Beezy · « **Reply #2096 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:28:46 AM »

The whole game I expected Dallas to come back until they were down by like 15, but OKC still managed to blow it in the last few minutes.

Dirk is fucking ridiculous though.

Mandark · « **Reply #2097 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:49:40 AM »

I was just gonna say. I wish Malek were alive to see this.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2098 on:** May 24, 2011, 08:59:12 AM »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=mavericks-thunderG4-110524

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2099 on:** May 24, 2011, 11:30:06 AM »

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