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Kara · « **Reply #20280 on:** May 28, 2018, 01:51:12 PM »

Quote from: Nola on May 28, 2018, 01:14:22 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 28, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

Just glanced at the 1982 season, which should really prove your point because there were still byes in the NBA playoffs then, and the Lakers played the #3 offense (with a league average defense) and the #4 defense (with a below league average offense) before facing the Sixers.

And no one puts Magic on Bron's level these days anyway.

Not to mention that Magic took that path on the Lakers with a bunch of hall of famers on his wing: Kareem and Wilkes, Worthy and Kareem.
Often with multiple all stars, starter caliber role players, and defensive stalwarts also around their core. Like AC Green, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo So I give Lebron a lot of props for what he did, even if it is in the Leastern Conference.

A.C. Green showing da youf that being celibate makes you ball, not shoot up a school.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20281 on:** May 28, 2018, 01:56:54 PM »

Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 01:51:37 PM

White grit

decades ago the CIA implemented a project to save up all the white American basketball skill to put into one superstar savior to compete (along with introducing crack into black neighborhoods)

Danny Ferry, Keith Van Horn, Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Adam Morrison test runs implied we needed to save up increasingly more each decade...that's why it's been quite a while...

team filler · « **Reply #20282 on:** May 28, 2018, 02:27:47 PM »

https://twitter.com/_Truthbe/status/1000945527532355584

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #20283 on:** May 28, 2018, 03:24:16 PM »

I felt bad for Tristan last night. He was the only guy under the rim to try to retrieve all that trash the Cavs were heaving up. Often having to fight with 2-3 Celtics in the process.

It was an odd decision, but evidently the Cavs needed the other 4 players to go back and defend as quickly as possible.

Mandark · « **Reply #20284 on:** May 28, 2018, 04:23:13 PM »

Quote from: Kara on May 28, 2018, 12:59:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

Just glanced at the 1982 season, which should really prove your point because there were still byes in the NBA playoffs then, and the Lakers played the #3 offense (with a league average defense) and the #4 defense (with a below league average offense) before facing the Sixers.

And no one puts Magic on Bron's level these days anyway.

Check out 1984-87. Out of 12 series in the West, LA played 5 teams with losing records and only 2 teams with 45+ wins.

Mandark · « **Reply #20285 on:** May 28, 2018, 04:54:17 PM »

The Lakers and Celtics dynasties in the 80's were built on some absolute heists.

They got Magic with a compensation pick when Gail Goodrich went to the Jazz (and fell off a cliff as soon as he got there). They got James Worthy with the #1 overall pick a couple years later. I forget who they traded to get it, but I know it was with the Cavs and part of a draft pick giveaway which prompted the NBA to create the Stepien Rule (where you can't trade first round picks in consecutive years).

Imagine having something named after you, and that something is a rule to save dumb rich guys from themselves.

Nola · « **Reply #20286 on:** May 28, 2018, 05:31:27 PM »

Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 04:47:39 PM

Didn't the Lakers also get the number one draft pick for the year they won the championship? Which they used to get Magic anyway?

I might be misremembering but I remember something similar.

I feel like a good chunk of the NBA's history was just like 3-4 organizations that actually knew what the fuck they were doing and everyone else basically was getting taken to the woodshed and acting like organizational feeders to those teams.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20287 on:** May 28, 2018, 06:30:24 PM »

The Celtics big three of the 1980s was assembled basically because of a draft loophole and a league rule seemingly requiring everyone to trade for Bob McAdoo once.

The Celtics got Kevin McHale and Robert Parish because the Warriors wanted Joe Barry Carroll in the draft. The Celtics had the Carroll pick in the first place because they signed M.L. Carr from the Pistons who as compensation asked to take Bob McAdoo off the Celtics hands in exchange for two first round picks.

They got Bird after drafting him a year before he actually came out of college because of a contract dispute that allowed him to go back and play another season and play in the most televised game in NCAA history to that point. He and Magic would have gone 1/2 if he had re-entered the 1979 Draft instead of signing with the Celtics. The Celtics had already traded their 1979 first round pick (which had become #3) for Bob McAdoo so they had to sign Bird before the Draft.

So Magic went #1 to the Lakers, the Knicks used #3 to take Bill Cartwright. The Bulls were drafting 2nd. The Bulls took David Greenwood.

If the Celtics hadn't caved to Bird's salary demands and he re-entered the draft, either he or Magic might have wound up on the Bulls five years before Jordan.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20288 on:** May 28, 2018, 06:55:59 PM »

While we're on teams "abusing" the draft process... People talk about the horrible behavior of the Sixers to stack up top draft picks (when their only #1 pick is Ben Simmons...Embiid was #3, as was the pick they sent for Fultz, and as was Jahil Okafor who they borderline waived...) while funnily ignoring three other current situations stacking up certain franchises' key players.

The Lakers have taken three straight #2 picks, in D'Angelo Russell, Ingram and Ball.

The Cavaliers starting lineup over the last few years is the result of four #1 picks and a #4 pick. LeBron, Love (who they got for winning back-to-back #1's, Wiggins and Bennett), Kyrie, and Tristan Thompson. (The latter two who were #1 and #4 in the same draft. Because they took Baron Davis' contract off the Clippers hands and the Clippers sent them the pick that became Kyrie as payment.)

And the Celtics! Their rotation this year featured a #6 (Smart), a #1 (Kyrie) and three #3's (Horford, Brown and Tatum), three of which they themselves drafted (one of which was a #1 pick before they traded down), they aren't "tanking" in part because the Nets are doing it for them and sending them (and now the Cavs too) the picks.

An amusing semi-recent anti-success draft history is maybe the Grizzlies while they were in Vancouver, they turned a #3, #4 and three straight #2 picks (in part because they and the Raptors were barred from winning the lottery until 2000...both teams actually did win and the NBA had to redo the draw*) into a whopping 23 wins in their final season before moving.

*One of those times led to the Sixers getting #1 and drafting Allen Iverson. A string of Sixers drafts from 1992-98 in which they picked #9 (Weatherspoon), #2 (Bradley), #6 (Sharone Wright), #3 (Stackhouse), #1 (Iverson), #2 (Van Horn) and #8 (Larry Hughes) each of whom were on or were traded for the parts of their 2001 Finals team. So they're repeat offenders! They were copying themselves being crappy and getting lottery picks for it! And Hinkie pretended it was new by giving it a name like "The Process" (and having his draft picks get or be injured) the cheating bastards! Thank god the league did something this time though...

Nola · « **Reply #20289 on:** May 28, 2018, 07:13:49 PM »

Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 05:43:20 PM

I feel like you're a fuckin bitch

Good point

benjipwns · « **Reply #20290 on:** May 28, 2018, 07:30:05 PM »

The master tanker really is Gregg Popovich. He used the opportunity to first fire a coach who had just won 62 and 59 games while putting up with the worst temperament Rodman year and having Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson as his backcourt. Then he took over the job himself. Then he turned over the offense to Mad Max and a 37 year old Dominique Wilkins while having nobody play any defense. And told both his superstar (David Robinson) and his other "All-Star" (Sean Elliott) to not bother coming back that season to play despite getting healthy and cleared. Arguably all at the slim chance to get Duncan*.

Which of course, worked out perfectly for almost two decades.

Pop

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*Since the second, third and fourth best things in the Draft turned out to be: the 180lb high schooler nobody had heard of two years earlier, the guy who went 3rd but the entire league seemingly gave up on for half a decade, and the guy from Community College who was barely in the league until Pop molded him into his insane bomber for the 2003 title run.

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Van Horn might have worked out decently enough next to the Admiral to get them a title. He did average 19/8 per game from 1998-2001. I have to assume he would have played better D on the Spurs or at least not hurt them. The 2002 Nets led the league in D despite him playing almost 2500 minutes.

Funny enough, four of the top five WS and B-R's VORP players from the Draft all played for the Spurs at one point: Duncan, McGrady, Antonio Daniels and Derek Anderson in WS. Stephen Jackson is 8th in WS but 4th in VORP. Billups the exception in both.

Actually, Daniels and Anderson were both starting for the Spurs in 2000-01. Pop probably got more use out of that draft than Rick Pitino did and Pitino had two top six picks.

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agrajag · « **Reply #20291 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:05:12 PM »

Those Rockets fans are turnt up!

agrajag · « **Reply #20292 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:11:12 PM »

Lol Thompson with 3 fouls already

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20293 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:11:41 PM »

Klay three fouls. big.

team filler · « **Reply #20294 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:18:56 PM »

refs trying to even things up with cp3 out

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20295 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:20:53 PM »

Houston is gonna shot 50 threes this game. Calling it.

agrajag · « **Reply #20296 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:20:59 PM »

Both team with Eastern conference 3 point shooting in the first

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20297 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:31:54 PM »

Why is Ryan Anderson out there

agrajag · « **Reply #20298 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:33:44 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:31:54 PM

Why is Ryan Anderson out there

Cause Capella was missing all his free throws

Let's Cyber · « **Reply #20299 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:34:57 PM »

Leading after 1 qrt. Rockets getting our hopes up again.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20300 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:38:16 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:33:44 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Why is Ryan Anderson out there

Cause Capella was missing all his free throws

That's an issue but Anderson is a defensive nightmare. Warriors will target him every play.

agrajag · « **Reply #20301 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:39:58 PM »

Joe Johnson with that veteran savvy

benjipwns · « **Reply #20302 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:40:07 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:20:53 PM

Houston is gonna shot 50 threes this game. Calling it.

no longer impressive, now i need a team to chase 75 attempts (that was the fewest three point attempts in a season by a team*, Atlanta took 75 in 1979-80, the first NBA year with the line...they made 13)

*technically it was the San Diego Sails in the 1975-76 ABA season, they only took 31 (made 12) but they folded after 11 games (next are the Utah Stars who folded after 16 games the same season...20/63)

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20303 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:41:08 PM »

Rockets need to go at klay hard to get that 4th foul or no defense.

agrajag · « **Reply #20304 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:42:05 PM »

Nola · « **Reply #20305 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:44:03 PM »

Quote from: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 09:34:57 PM

Leading after 1 qrt. Rockets getting our hopes up again.

Yeah unless the Rockets go up by thirty I’m still convinced this is nothing but the hype building prelude to another Warriors 3rd quarter killing spree.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20306 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:44:10 PM »

lol the Rockets only made 12 or fewer threes 17 times this season...how do i go back in time and show that Hawks team footage of this Rockets team, ideally the game against Dallas in January where they went 21/51 from three and the Mavs went 15/35 from three

edit: pace of that game: 92.5
1979-80 ATL pace: 98.9 (lg avg: 103.1)

edit2: oh god, even better, Hubie Brown is that Hawks teams coach, i just need 1980 Hubie Brown, not the entire team

benjipwns · « **Reply #20307 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:49:04 PM »

in fact, i just want a permanent 1980 Hubie Brown to have commentate games like one of NBATV's foreign language channels

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"COUSINS! WHY ARE YOU DRIBBLING THE BALL, GIVE IT TO THE GUARDS, GO STAND UNDER THE BASKET TO REBOUND, NO! NOT OUT AT THE LINE, BY THE BASKET"

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Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20308 on:** May 28, 2018, 09:53:20 PM »

rockets frustrating me by not putting klay in pick and roll

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20309 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:05:10 PM »

Good half. Now comes the Warriors 3rd quarter blitz

agrajag · « **Reply #20310 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:05:13 PM »

Eric Gordon is literally a Rocket

Let's Cyber · « **Reply #20311 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:06:26 PM »

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1001282597408784384

Nola · « **Reply #20312 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:21:30 PM »

If I'm the Warriors I feel pretty good going into the second half only down by 11 after such a bad half, considering they tend to win the 3rd quarter by a good margin most games.

agrajag · « **Reply #20313 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:23:39 PM »

agrajag · « **Reply #20314 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:23:58 PM »

That point should have counted.

Nola · « **Reply #20315 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:24:43 PM »

I hate Harden's style of play but Foster is straight fucking this dude over right now lol

Harden has had 10 points taken right away from him on obvious fouls.

agrajag · « **Reply #20316 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:25:44 PM »

Say what you want about Harden, but when he tries to draw a foul on the 3 he actually tries to make it, unlike LeBron a lot of times

Nola · « **Reply #20317 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:27:00 PM »

Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 10:26:19 PM

Is that like three fouls for three uncounted now?

Yep.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20318 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:27:45 PM »

Harden is 7 of 19. 2 of 10 from 3.

He can't continue at that rate if the Rockets want to win.

Nola · « **Reply #20319 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:31:30 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:27:45 PM

Harden is 7 of 19. 2 of 10 from 3.

He can't continue at that rate if the Rockets want to win.

Though to be fair he should be 8 of 17 and 3 of 8 from three with one four point play and two 3 point trips to the line.

....Though at the same time this has always been the knock on Harden's game(including mine for years). When refs start swallowing whistles, the foul hunting turns his play style from league breaking to team killing.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20320 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:36:10 PM »

Rockets are in trouble. They can't score.

Nola · « **Reply #20321 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:38:28 PM »

Ariza has been trash.

agrajag · « **Reply #20322 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:39:14 PM »

Missing CP3 badly

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20323 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:40:17 PM »

Harden is going to have to drive and either get fouled or hit shots. Just the 3's ain't gonna cut it.

agrajag · « **Reply #20324 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:41:54 PM »

Looks like the swarming defense of the first half took a lot of energy out Houston

Nola · « **Reply #20325 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:43:48 PM »

Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 10:38:53 PM

Quote from: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:38:28 PM
Ariza has been trash.

What else is new?

True.

But it also wasn't too long ago that Ariza had that Rondo reputation for being able to turn it on in the playoffs and in big games.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20326 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:44:01 PM »

You can not play Ryan Anderson. Get him out!

agrajag · « **Reply #20327 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:44:21 PM »

Fuck Steph

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20328 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:44:40 PM »

It's over!

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #20329 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:45:11 PM »

rockets look ice cold. these threes... yuck. oh well

team filler · « **Reply #20330 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:46:18 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20331 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:47:22 PM »

Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 10:45:15 PM

Yeah guys, keeping chucking threes against a team with curry and klay on it. SMH.

The reality is this is how they are built though purposely. It's the only thing they can do outside of Harden iso drive.

agrajag · « **Reply #20332 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:48:25 PM »

Houston needs stops, now Curry and Durant are both feeling their shot

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20333 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:50:33 PM »

15 point Rocket 3rd Quarter. Brutal. Harden is their only hope and he has not had a good shooting game.

agrajag · « **Reply #20334 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:52:00 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:50:33 PM

15 point Rocket 3rd Quarter. Brutal. Harden is their only hope and he has not had a good shooting game.

Fun fact the the 3rd quarter has an almost exact scoreline in game 6 and 7, give or take a point

Nola · « **Reply #20335 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:52:43 PM »

Yeah +18 point differential in the third for the Warriors....I'm starting to think at this rate even my tongue in cheek exaggerated need for a 30 point cushion wouldn't have been enough.

agrajag · « **Reply #20336 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:54:06 PM »

Fucking CP3, why'd he have to get injured

agrajag · « **Reply #20337 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:55:52 PM »

Lol Rockets should've practiced their 3s more

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #20338 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:59:02 PM »

Oh yay, gonna be another Cavs-Warriors finals

agrajag · « **Reply #20339 on:** May 28, 2018, 11:03:02 PM »

Lol it's over

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