No I said I disliked them. I don't care about them. They are nothing to me. Good or bad, is irrelevant. I have no interests.
Also no one said "adult" was a qualifier for good. What was said was "adult" as a type. A direction. A subject material. Nintendo is not big on games that deal with adult subject matter. Weather it be tone, themes, story, art direction, whatever. Things that skew older. Adult was not used as a term of quality. I don't care if you don't think God of War is as good as film. That dosen't matter. What matters is that at least it tries and plays the part. If you want stuff that plays the part then all you have is a few bones thrown from Nintendo and you should seek elsewhere.
An adult can see and level out the types of stories presented to them. An adult can realize that not everything is on the level of something else. That some stories even if they aren't as highbrow as something else, still have thier merit. An I would say an adult can rationalize that it dosen't even matter.
I like all kinds of games, except platformers. Nintendo dosen't offer the kinds of games I like outside of few examples.
But it is also the Nintendo fan prerogative to think "well clearly you don't care about gameplay". Which sure fine, I don't if also caring about other aspects of a game as a hole meant that.
Vanquish is to one of the best shooters ever. The mechanics and gameplay are top of the line, but so is everything else. The art direction is cool, the way speed is visualized. The general astehtics, style, and presentation of the game bring the game up. Visuals matter. Vanquish would still be a fun shooter if it was stick figures or something, but the way it's presented brings it's weird John Woo by way of powered suit 80s anime style to life. Like wise a game with shitty gameplay like Asura's Warth has amazing art direction, animation, cutscene direction, and a decently told story with heart and a good understanding of older shounen anime stylings that the game has lots of appeal. I love the gameplay of Persona 5, but its personalty that comes though it's music, setting, graphics, menus, ect make it a world above a say Idea Factory game that would maybe play similarly.
And it's not a "good graphics or else thing". I love Parasite Eve because of the atmosphere it still has and corny New York action thriller by way of the Japanese tone it has. The gameplay is fun, but simple. The game is more then that. Vagrant Story's cutscenes are still top of the line till this day and a marvel to look at. Nier was a cheap looking game, but it's presentation and use of color created a desolate world feeling.
It's not a zero sum game. with me. Games have lots to offer and I can appreciate many aspects of a game and find things interesting and worthwhile even if the gameplay fails. Tales games are fun to play. They are so bland to look at and hear. I dislike them. Zone of the Enders 2 is rather simple in it's gameplay. It fucking looks awesome. Presentation, production values(which does not 100% mean lots of money or not), art, ect all mater and can improve or break a game. That's how I look at games. Games are an experince. I'm either experiencing interesting mechanics, a cool world, interesting visuals, a neat story, or just a cool journey. Whatever. If the game is handholdy, as long as it's taking me to cool things. I'm happy.
"You know, for kids!"
Yeah I also bought a Wii U for Bayonetta 2. Maybe I'll get Bayonetta 3 before the Switch is over. Oh boy one game like this every few years.
Devil's Third was hardly released in America and also crap. Fatal Frame V was digital only and in general the series has been worse off in Nintendos hand. At least in America.
Clearly representative of Nintendo's general output.
Don't play Fire Emblem so I know nothing about it. Only played the first one on 3DS briefly.
Sony also put out Knack, Gravity Rush 2, and Shadow Remake. So I guess by your metric, it's not all cinematic shooters either.
Yes they publish some things over now and then that appeal to me. Never said they don't. But Astral Chain and Xenoblade are not the connerstones of Nintendo's brand or lineup. Mario and the like are. If you want to say Sony is just one thing, you have to say Nintendo is just one thing.
"Oh but Xenoblade sells millions".
So do Gran Trusimo and MLB the Show. I guess Sony is also in the sim sports area. Somewhere Nintendo also isn't.