International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[kingv]

I still think crashing out no deal is the most likely result.

Only thing dumber than U.K. politics are U.K. voters. How dumb are these people sitting here and saying “crashing out of the EU will be fine.”

Of course, three years from now they’ll claw their way back to 2% growth and BoJo will he saying “see? it was all worth it!”

[Nintex]

I still think crashing out no deal is the most likely result.

Only thing dumber than U.K. politics are U.K. voters. How dumb are these people sitting here and saying “crashing out of the EU will be fine.”

Of course, three years from now they’ll claw their way back to 2% growth and BoJo will he saying “see? it was all worth it!”

I don't think it'll be that much of a disaster. The worst effects will be remedied with a series of smaller deals shortly after the UK has left.
Plus as Mike Pence said: "Once the UK is out, the US comes in".

The Germans and French simply won't allow a rogue banking center in a trade pact with the US next to the shores of continental Europe without a framework of laws and regulations.
Boris and his cabal can make the UK very competitive when 'everything goes' and austerity has pretty much been replaced with excessive spending by the Bojo government anyway.
A pay increase for teachers, 20k additional cops, billions for the NHS/defence and other stuff.

Also do not forget that the EU's trademark policy on any subject is kicking the can down the road. Things could still proceed 'as normal' while the UK is officially out on a number of levels.
For the EU this was never about the UK leaving (the UK was always holding back further EU integration and the Euro in favor of London) but about keeping countries like Italy and Greece in by showing what would happen if you leave.
That strategy has been successful. Britain lost 2 PM's over Brexit and the two establishment parties are in shambles at the same time the EU has shown how difficult it is too leave.
Despite the economy stalling the appetite for leaving the EU has been diminished in other member states.

[benjipwns]

[Nintex]

The media is warming up to the idea of a general election and Corbyn vs. Boris debates.

Boris has said that he will ignore the no-deal law.
The opposition have said that they will challenge him legally on it.

But again they're running out of time. Boris can ignore it on October 31st and they'd be out of the EU.
So even if they successfully legally challenge him, it doesn't really matter.

[Nintex]

What even is happening anymore.

https://twitter.com/ParkerCiccone/status/1170337236086394880

[Tripon]

The Tories not being able to pick a competent leader ever since they took back power (I'm counting Cameron in all this because he was the idiot that allowed a Brexit vote to take place in the first place) seems to be one of the understated stories of the past decade.

I'm just an ignorant American, but what exactly do the British people see in the Tories that they trust them to run things smoothly/competently, when uh, they haven't in the past decade.

[Nintex]

The Tories not being able to pick a competent leader ever since they took back power (I'm counting Cameron in all this because he was the idiot that allowed a Brexit vote to take place in the first place) seems to be one of the understated stories of the past decade.

I'm just an ignorant American, but what exactly do the British people see in the Tories that they trust them to run things smoothly/competently, when uh, they haven't in the past decade.

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown traumatized the nation.

[kingv]

The Tories not being able to pick a competent leader ever since they took back power (I'm counting Cameron in all this because he was the idiot that allowed a Brexit vote to take place in the first place) seems to be one of the understated stories of the past decade.

I'm just an ignorant American, but what exactly do the British people see in the Tories that they trust them to run things smoothly/competently, when uh, they haven't in the past decade.

My complete uneducated Nintex-level hot take:
 From the polling, it seems like 54% of the U.K. voters are dumb chavs. It’s like the trump voter problem but even worse there. Like we always talk about American Exceptionalism being kind of a problem that sort of holds us back, and America has this kind of dumb western cowboy romanticism vein running through it where everything we do is right and everything that happen to you is your fault, good or bad.

It seems to me we actually inherited that attitude from the British and sort of twisted it and actually there it might even be worse. They seem to have this strong vein of “we had an empire that the sun never set on, and can bloody well do it again because we put the Great in Great Britain”. But it seems far more prevalent than it is here. In the US those people exist, and they are loud, but far from a majority.

And the reason it’s worse there? More white people.

[Nintex]

People didn't much participate in politics anymore outside of the party zealots because it was all the same. Voter apathy made Cameron feel confident enough that not enough people would vote in the referendum and if they did they would all vote remain anyway.
He outsmarted Farage at that point and made UKIP obsolete. 

But here's the thing. The recession had also hit Britain hard and some industries, towns and public services, much like elsewhere in the western world had been completely decimated.
Jobs have really moved to China, Poland and other countries. EU regulations have really made part of Britain less competitive on the global market. And austerity is at the center of all of these problems.

Cameron had counted on Farage to run a 'radical' leave campaign. But he didn't expect as many other politicians to run a leave campaign as well, most notably Boris Johnson. Who considered this an opportunity to prepare himself for a challenge against Cameron for the party leadership and end austerity. As soon as this happened Brexit went global. Politicians like Merkel and Obama started to 'interfere' and started giving out their opinions on how the UK should vote. Further fueling the anti-establishment sentiment.

On this backdrop the voters expressed their anger and they did so by voting to leave the EU. A vote against all the bankers, politicians and elite who told them to vote remain. And tons of people who hadn't voted in a long time and haven't voted since voted in the referendum to leave the EU.

Globalism has really left a lot of people, mostly the lower educated in the cities behind. Families that lost cars, homes and relationships that were formerly part of the 'middle class'.
Leaving the EU was a big middle finger to the political establishment that had ruined them.

Bailing out the middle class of America and Europe would've been a 'drop in the bucket' so to speak but governments the world over choose to ignore the plight of their citizens and only save the institutions and corporations.
After all real political power came from those institutions and corporations and not the voters at the ballot box.

Boris, Farage and friends made a critical miscalculation as well. They figured that Cameron already had a plan in place in case the people would vote to leave.
No one ever anticipated he would simply walk away so no one ever gave any thought to what a policy on leaving the EU would actually look like.

[Nintex]

So uuhh any predictions?

https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1170439755701596162

Amber Rudd resigned btw

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1170306679638036480

What I imagined Lord MacDonald looked like.



What he actually likes like.

[BisMarckie]

Ronald not looking good these days. 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/1170623967146717191

France just destroyed the hope and dreams of the opposition

That's the thing that the UK parliament continues to fail to understand, it is not just up to them how and when they leave but all EU members and they're sick of this shit.
Either they sign the deal, Boris gets a few concessions and they sign that deal or they just fuck off.

[Rufus]

"in current circumstances"

Circumstances can still change.

[kingv]

I still think crashing out no deal is the most likely result.

Only thing dumber than U.K. politics are U.K. voters. How dumb are these people sitting here and saying “crashing out of the EU will be fine.”

Of course, three years from now they’ll claw their way back to 2% growth and BoJo will he saying “see? it was all worth it!”

I don't think it'll be that much of a disaster. The worst effects will be remedied with a series of smaller deals shortly after the UK has left.
Plus as Mike Pence said: "Once the UK is out, the US comes in".

The Germans and French simply won't allow a rogue banking center in a trade pact with the US next to the shores of continental Europe without a framework of laws and regulations.
Boris and his cabal can make the UK very competitive when 'everything goes' and austerity has pretty much been replaced with excessive spending by the Bojo government anyway.
A pay increase for teachers, 20k additional cops, billions for the NHS/defence and other stuff.

Also do not forget that the EU's trademark policy on any subject is kicking the can down the road. Things could still proceed 'as normal' while the UK is officially out on a number of levels.
For the EU this was never about the UK leaving (the UK was always holding back further EU integration and the Euro in favor of London) but about keeping countries like Italy and Greece in by showing what would happen if you leave.
That strategy has been successful. Britain lost 2 PM's over Brexit and the two establishment parties are in shambles at the same time the EU has shown how difficult it is too leave.
Despite the economy stalling the appetite for leaving the EU has been diminished in other member states.

I don’t how you can look at that Italy and Greece situation and come to the conclusion that the EU is going to do the altruistic thing and cut Britain a cozy deal.

[Occam]

Yeah, that's nonsense.

[kingv]

Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

[Tripon]

Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

No, the U.S. will make a bilateral trade deal that will benefit the U.S. as much as possible. Trump said as much. Trump always looks for a 'win', or he sabotages the process so he doesn't 'lose.' Just look at how much of a headache trade negotiations are going with China, a country with much more power to negotiate fair terms with the U.S. Or with the EU and US trade relations as well, there's always the threats of tariffs when Trump gets into one of his moods. The UK is going to get fucked in any such negotiations. The United States has no reason to do favors for the UK.

[Occam]

Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

Agreed, except that it'll most likely be good for the remaining EU in the long run because the one nation that's been vetoing further European integration for decades will be gone at last.

As recent events have shown, Great Britain is governed by the biggest morons you could possibly imagine (beside Trump); it's a good thing not to have such people in your club.

[kingv]

Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

No, the U.S. will make a bilateral trade deal that will benefit the U.S. as much as possible. Trump said as much. Trump always looks for a 'win', or he sabotages the process so he doesn't 'lose.' Just look at how much of a headache trade negotiations are going with China, a country with much more power to negotiate fair terms with the U.S. Or with the EU and US trade relations as well, there's always the threats of tariffs when Trump gets into one of his moods. The UK is going to get fucked in any such negotiations. The United States has no reason to do favors for the UK.

I have little confidence the trade deal gets done. The very idea of the ‘bilateral’ trade deal is flawed.

The only way most of these deals get done is that every country is giving up something, but alone getting something because there’s a bunch of gives and takes across multiple countries so country a lowers sugar duties, but so do countries b, c, d so net-net they come out ahead.

It’s a lot harder to negotiate that 1:1.

Only way they’ll be able to finalize a deal is if U.K. subsidizes golf courses.

[Tripon]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crisis-hit-nissans-ceo-resign-over-pay-issue-004108792--finance.html

Tokyo (AFP) - The CEO of crisis-hit Japanese auto giant Nissan plans to resign, local media reported Monday, days after admitting he received more pay than his entitlement.

The reports said it was not immediately clear when Hiroto Saikawa would step down, as the firm struggles with the aftermath of the arrest of its former chief Carlos Ghosn on charges of financial misconduct.

Nissan said it had no immediate comment on the reports, which first emerged overnight in the Nikkei business daily.

Nikkei said Saikawa has told several Nissan executives of his intent, but that no date for his resignation nor a successor has been decided.

The reported decision comes days after Saikawa acknowledged that a Nissan probe revealed he had received more pay than he was entitled to, in a scheme under which directors can receive a bonus if their company's share price rises above a certain level in a set period.

[Raist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49592330

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

[Great Rumbler]

It was definitely either Cthulhu or Godzilla.

[Ghoul]

It was definitely either Cthulhu or Godzilla.

I mean a lot of fatties swim when it gets hot, maybe the combined ass power of them all swimming and farting at once cause some underwater tornado.

[Kunai With Chain]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-09/german-economy-seen-muddling-through-slew-of-global-risks-chart

Economists predict Germany will avoid a recession but the picture they paint of future growth is dire given global trade conflicts and political uncertainty. According to a Bloomberg survey, output in Europe’s largest economy stagnated in the third quarter and will rise more slowly from there than previously forecast. Respondents project an annual expansion of 0.6% for this year and 0.9% for 2020.

Germany's economy struggling and getting outpaced by UK has come at a pretty opportune time for Brexiters, seen a few gloating on twitter.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1171042241084870657

 

[Raist]

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1171091023679938560


Fucking hell

[Occam]

I seriously hope the EU won't agree to another extension. Even the first one granted in March was idiotic and predictably led to the Brexit Party sitting in the European Parliament. As I said back then, they should have been made to cancel their withdrawal or just crash out with no deal in place 6 months ago, which is the same situation we have now.

[Nintex]

I seriously hope the EU won't agree to another extension. Even the first one granted in March was idiotic and predictably led to the Brexit Party sitting in the European Parliament. As I said back then, they should have been made to cancel their withdrawal or just crash out with no deal in place 6 months ago, which is the same situation we have now.

The extension was given on the understanding that May would use the additional time to get her deal through parliament.
In some sense the UK already broke the agreement on the previous extension so I doubt they'll get a second one even if Boris asks.

Besides such an extension would be seen as a backdoor deal between the opposition and the EU to keep the UK in and would bolster the Brexit party vote even further.

[Crash Dummy]

hasn't france already said it won't approve a delay/extension?

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1171129543610032129

Let's see the DM's bois


Boris shocks everyone by actually having a plan

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171131827815407618

[Rufus]

Amend how!?

This is teaser for a trailer levels of nonsense.

[kingv]

I feel like BoJo saying a no deal would be a failure of statesmanship is him blinking.

Would be damn hilarious if he goes full Teresa May.

[Ghoul]

Shouting down black rod for the first time ever. Stay classy.

[Raist]

He's talking to a tory mp, not black rod.

[Ghoul]

He's talking to a tory mp, not black rod.

In the clip yes, I happened to be watching it live and it was an absolute shit show in there.

[Raist]

I mean, when is it not?

[Joe Molotov]

Why isn't he just Rod? Why does he have to be Black Rod?

[Ghoul]

Why isn't he just Rod? Why does he have to be Black Rod?

Filler involved somehow. Also She you sexist.

[Raist]

Why isn't he just Rod? Why does he have to be Black Rod?

Because he/she/xir is carrying a black rod around.

[nachobro]

 

[Kunai With Chain]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49655226

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to annex part of the occupied West Bank on the border with Jordan if he is voted back into office next week.

Mr Netanyahu said he would apply "Israeli sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea".

Israeli election coming up and the mask starts to slip

[Nintex]

LMAO
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171462675911467010

Democracy dies in Dankness 
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171423983524143104

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1170917675100516352

[Tripon]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49655226

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to annex part of the occupied West Bank on the border with Jordan if he is voted back into office next week.

Mr Netanyahu said he would apply "Israeli sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea".

Israeli election coming up and the mask starts to slip

Been slipping. Netanyahu promised something similar if Lakud won the previous election. Netanyahu is scared of losing his right hand base.

[Great Rumbler]

He'll also probably go to jail if he doesn't get reelected, so there's that little bit of extra incentive this time around.

[Crash Dummy]

speaking of leaders who could end up in jail, turns out bojo basically lied to the queen to get the prorogation https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

[benjipwns]

Putin's doomed: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/11/vladimir-putin-russia-moscow-city-council-vote-228065

The formal result of the city council election was, perhaps, not all that spectacular. Liberal candidates, barred from standing themselves, had to resort to promoting a tactical voting campaign that unseated nearly half of all Kremlin-backed candidates, but also saw most of those seats go to the Communists and two smaller parties, which are under the influence of the Kremlin to some degree.

The Kremlin is right to be alarmed. In a poll conducted by the independent pollster Levada Center last month, 37 percent of Muscovites supported the citywide protests, while some 27 percent said they did not. Those are striking numbers

[benjipwns]

Been watching Sky coverage of Brit commons off and on since it's on Pluto and I got nothing else to do and it's so lol. The fucking speaker dude who just bellows and makes horn sounds and randomly talks shit


Just nothing but ugly sweaty people yelling like classy drunks. And it's kind of amazing how the topic of discussion (the head of state being an embarrassing cunt who doesn't respect the rule of law and possible impeachment) is the same as it is here in the States.

shots fired at Beth

[Kunai With Chain]

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1171862810613207040

Sounds pretty rosey

[Raist]

https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1171862810613207040

Sounds pretty rosey

But here's the best part:

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171864228879372289

[Nintex]

speaking of leaders who could end up in jail, turns out bojo basically lied to the queen to get the prorogation https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

This changes absolutely nothing.

They don't want an election and they don't want Brexit. What would parliament have done between now and October 31st?
How many days of the Corbyn Chicken routine would we have to suffer through if parliament conducted its business as normal?

Boris will go to the EU on the 17th. The EU will tell him no extension so he won't ask for one but they offer some changes to the May deal but nothing too significant.
Boris returns to parliament with the new deal. The opposition either votes for it and gets an 'orderly' Brexit or against it and the UK crashes out with no deal.

Boris and Farage eat Corbyn Chicken for breakfast on November 14th when a new post-Brexit general election takes place.

[benjipwns]

Boris and Farage eat Corbyn Chicken for breakfast on November 14th when a new post-Brexit general election takes place.

The UK is first past the post.

[Crash Dummy]

https://twitter.com/TyronWilson/status/1172117786744762368

[kingv]

I wish we could get the same for the dem primary and trump.

Biden: getting an erection
Sanders: capitalist role play
Tulsi: loli
2016 Hillary: BBC
Warren: sex while high on peace pipe

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1171955925529366528

[Ghoul]

If only the US was as brave as those people, but they sit there and allow a criminal puppet to rule over them 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1171673174594899968

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/5_News/status/1172099305349505024

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1172162042041655296

 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1172239372374216704