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Olbermann's follow-up to the interview with Green.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37651099

What possible legal way could he have paid a $10,400 filing fee while on unemployment. :lol

I also don't have any clue how so many precincts got in more ballots than could possibly be cast.

I have no idea what happened there but it would be really surprising if demint somehow pulled off voter fraud and a democrat got the seat.  that's a hell freezing over situation though.
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DeMint was gonna win that seat easily, I don't see the point in planting someone. Whoever did it probably isn't connected to him, but if they are oh man this will be fun
« Last Edit: June 12, 2010, 04:29:33 AM by Phoenix Dark »
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You can be on unemployment and still have savings. If he spent 9 years in Korea he must have a good amount of money tucked away.

I'd like to know the circumstances of his leaving the military.

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Someone was saying both candidates were relatively unknown but that since Greene spelled his name with an 'e' at the end many black voters chose him on the ballot as that is the "black" spelling, which I never really noticed before.
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You can be on unemployment and still have savings. If he spent 9 years in Korea he must have a good amount of money tucked away.
Yeah, it is possible that somebody else didn't finance him.  But I can't believe that anybody would be that stupid that they would blow their savings while unemployed on  long-shot senate run and then do no campaigning.

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Even if he did blow his financial life on a doomed Senate campaign, it'd be done out of a craziness that would give a good illumanati/jews/lizard people/gold standard rant for the cameras, not be shocked and bashful when they actually showed up.
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Krugman on Jan 6th, 09
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    This really does look like a plan that falls well short of what advocates of strong stimulus were hoping for — and it seems as if that was done in order to win Republican votes. Yet even if the plan gets the hoped-for 80 votes in the Senate, which seems doubtful, responsibility for the plan’s perceived failure, if it’s spun that way, will be placed on Democrats.

    I see the following scenario: a weak stimulus plan, perhaps even weaker than what we’re talking about now, is crafted to win those extra GOP votes. The plan limits the rise in unemployment, but things are still pretty bad, with the rate peaking at something like 9 percent and coming down only slowly. And then Mitch McConnell says “See, government spending doesn’t work.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/6/14/875776/-Stimulus-spending:-Paul-Krugman-was-right

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No kidding.  The main lesson I've taken away from the last decade of following politics is that if you disagree with Paul Krugman, it's probably time to recheck your work.

Remember when conservatives would say stuff like "I like his writing on economics, just not his stuff on politics"?  Good times.

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So now Obama is asking for 50b, about the same amount cut out to appease President Snowe during the stimulus fight.

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Reports were that the Obama team figured Congress would push the size of the bill up, since that's how things typically went during the Bush years (IIRC the agriculture, energy, transportation, and Medicare drug bills all followed that pattern).  They should have sussed out early on from the centrists' rhetoric that it was going to get shaved down, and started negotiating from a higher number.

They also wanted to stay under $1 trillion because it's a Big Round Number, but I don't think it would have mattered.  Congressional Republicans referred to it as costing that much anyway, and I seriously doubt more than a small fraction of the electorate accurately remembers the final price tag.

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Energy is probably a harder sell than healthcare, because voters know even less about the costs and effects of different forms of energy production than they do about their doctors.  OTOH, democrats can point to BP as a "death panel" of sorts.

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Gotta love the outrage over Obama "exploiting" the oil spill to shill an energy policy. Same with the outrage over the government not doing anything about illegal immigration, then getting upset when the government does something about illegal immigration. I forgot which blog had an article on the conservative dismissal of all things government, a few months ago.
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On exploiting events for political gain:

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Of course the World Trade Center bombings are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. However, we must also consider if this is not also a lesson to us all; a lesson that my political views are correct. Although what is done can never be undone, the fact remains that if the world were organised according to my political views, this tragedy would never have happened.
   
Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my political agenda which ought to be advanced.

Not only are my political views vindicated by this terrible tragedy, but also the status of my profession. Furthermore, it is only in the context of a national and international tragedy like this that we are reminded of the very special status of my hobby, and its particular claim to legislative protection. My religious and spiritual views also have much to teach us about the appropriate reaction to these truly terrible events.

Countries which I like seem to never suffer such tragedies, while countries which, for one reason or another, I dislike, suffer them all the time. The one common factor which seems to explain this has to do with my political views, and it suggests that my political views should be implemented as a matter of urgency, even though they are, as a matter of fact, not implemented in the countries which I like.

Of course the World Trade Center attacks are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. But we must also not lose sight of the fact that I am right on every significant moral and political issue, and everybody ought to agree with me. Please, I ask you as fellow human beings, vote for the political party which I support, and ask your legislators to support policies endorsed by me, as a matter of urgency.

It would be a fitting memorial.

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lol


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There is a good speech by Al Franken here. It's kind of lengthy but worth a listen.
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[youtube=560,345]uaHtAxSXMwo[/youtube]

The right wing's war on Miranda rights is so hilarious. I thought they were about freedom and rights  :'(
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[youtube=560,345]uaHtAxSXMwo[/youtube]

The right wing's war on Miranda rights is so hilarious. I thought they were about freedom and rights  :'(

Wow.  I mean, with the black out section with the airliner audio and....wow.

And this newfound twisted obsession against law enforcement following proper legal procedures when investigating terrorist threats... :fbm
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I guess proper legal procedures/rights are voided if you're a terrorist. What if you're a pedophile or rapist? Where exactly does this end. It's ironic that a party so obsessed with constitutional rights could be sowing the seeds for their elimination

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http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006190006

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It's so patriotic to say your country's military can be easily replaced. The country Mr. Beck loves so much it makes him cry. :'(
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so it looks like Obama has to fire a general
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http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006190006

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It's so patriotic to say your country's military can be easily replaced. The country Mr. Beck loves so much it makes him cry. :'(

That's exactly what we need.  A military driven by a profit motive.  :american

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http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006190006

 :lol :lol :lol
It's so patriotic to say your country's military can be easily replaced. The country Mr. Beck loves so much it makes him cry. :'(

That's exactly what we need.  A military driven by a profit motive.  :american

Exxon Mobile sure enjoys it. :smug
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In what way, Genghis? A corporate military outfit that is big enough to occupy a country sound very dangerous to me.
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so it looks like Obama has to fire a general

Just saw Obama comment on it, and he actually seemed visibly pissed.  :o

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sounds like he's going to call in an airstrike on him
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I want to see the video lol.

edit: TPM is posting the video soon
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Okay, read some parts of the interview, and holy shit. What the fuck was McChrystal thinking? :lol

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[youtube=560,345]CzEEr7kpogc[/youtube]
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This presidency is starting to turn into a real shitfuck.

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Yeah, Obama sucks.
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agreed
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There is no reason for us to still be in Afghanistan/Iraq. The hunt is over, we are already paying millions of dollars to the Taliban as protection money. Obama's "18 month" deadline is approaching and there is no end in sight.

It's a shame, because that was the biggest part of his "change" program I was excited for.


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i was excited for the cessation of the dismantling of civil liberties

i mean, the guy was a constitutional scholar

i didn't forsee...well any of this shit.

better than the alternative, but still
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Obama will spend 4 years cleaning up messes (and making messes), then President Romney will be sworn in and ride the wave of recovery
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Obama will spend 4 years cleaning up messes (and making messes), then President Romney will be sworn in and ride the wave of recovery

 :lol :lol :lol
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In what way, Genghis? A corporate military outfit that is big enough to occupy a country sound very dangerous to me.

War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine.

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I haven't read the article yet but I can agree with McCrystal's idea of spending another decade to actually rebuid the country.

It's odd hearing that McCrystal apparently also bashed Biden though since I'm pretty sure Biden was always for spending the resources to rebuild properly.

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It's odd hearing that McCrystal apparently also bashed Biden though since I'm pretty sure Biden was always for spending the resources to rebuild properly.

Not quite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-joe-biden-should-resi_b_320929.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/politics/04military.html?_r=1
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Yea, Biden has advocated a smaller, special ops+predator drone strategy to systematically cripple the Taliban, whereas McCrystal wants to win hearts/minds and overwhelm the enemy on the ground. Pretty different strategies.

Andrew Sullivan said it sounds like McCrystal is pissed Biden was right all along. We don't know whether Biden's strategy would work, but clearly McCrystal's surge hasn't.
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Petreus is in
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Obama shows some balls, knee caps conservatives at the same time. How are they going to bitch about this
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/why-not-petraeus-crocker-afghanistan
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Biden doesn't look pleased
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What did this Billy Crystal guy do anyways
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Anyone remember the name of that book on late 20th century American political stratification that was mentioned on 538.com a lot during the presidential race?

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More specific?

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nixonland?
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The Texas Republican Party gives a whole new meaning to the word conservative. The GOP there has voted on a platform that would ban oral and anal sex.

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The 25-page proposal, presented last week as a guide for the state GOP over the next two years, includes other measures including outlawing “sexually oriented businesses” like strip clubs and banning “all pornography.”

If Texas doesn't go blue their balls will
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There's some study or book out there about how people tend to relocate to like-minded areas and how that has affected districting and voter behavior in the last 30 years. I know of the original study about this back in the 60s or 70s but I thought there was a more recent one that built off of that.


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The Big Sort, that's it, thanks a lot

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Hey, Elena Kagan's confirmation hearing is coming up and there doesn't seem to be a consensus talking point against her.  What gives?

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Hey, Elena Kagan's confirmation hearing is coming up and there doesn't seem to be a consensus talking point against her.  What gives?

Are you kidding?  All I heard after she was nominated was BLANK SLATE BLANK SLATE BLANK SLATE.  And of course the far left is afeard that she's not gonna be liberal enough (although since she's gonna be replacing Stevens, that's a fair worry to have.).  I think the problem is that today's conservative is so easily distracted- they can't decide if they want to be mad at Obama for not waving a wand to solve the economy, the oil spill, or for having to basically fire McChrystal for going rogue while maintaining a straight face and forgetting what happened to Shinseki.  And then if he DID wave a magic wand and fix anything, they'd bitch about him being a warlock or whatever.  And the media would follow along, because they are stupid and useless.
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