"A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics

[cubicle47b]

Holy shit.  I thought the other 3 Republican candidates in Tennessee were bad but this...

[Phoenix Dark]

A new challenger appears

Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, currently running third  in the state's Republican gubernatorial primary race, says he's not sure if Constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion apply to the followers of the world's second-largest faith, Islam.

At a recent event in Hamilton County, Ramsey was asked by a man in the audience about the "threat that's invading our country from the Muslims." Ramsey proclaimed his support for the Constitution and the whole "Congress shall make no law" thing when it comes to religion. But he also said that Islam, arguably, is less a faith than it is a "cult."

"Now, you could even argue whether being a Muslim is actually a religion, or is it a nationality, way of life, cult whatever you want to call it," Ramsey said. "Now certainly we do protect our religions, but at the same time this is something we are going to have to face."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tennessee-lt-gov-religious-freedom-doesnt-count-if-youre-muslim-video.php?ref=fpa
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around 3:10 mark

[Barry Egan]

would vote for a Marceaux/Palin 2012 ticket no questions asked.  Sorry Nobama.

[Phoenix Dark]

or as some call him, Nonambla

[The Fake Shemp]

 

[The Fake Shemp]

Cenk Uygur from "The Young Turks" is guest hosting The Dylan Ratigan Show and he is awful on television. Lots of gaffes, dead air, etc. Guess cable television isn't the same as a YouTube podcast, eh?

[Phoenix Dark]

There's nothing worse than clicking what seems to be an interesting video of some event only to realize it's actually a Young Turks video of them talking about said event. Worse than rickrolls

[The Fake Shemp]

His prompter reading is like, public access bad. Just awful.

[Oblivion]

Cenk Uygur from "The Young Turks" is guest hosting The Dylan Ratigan Show and he is awful on television. Lots of gaffes, dead air, etc. Guess cable television isn't the same as a YouTube podcast, eh?

Yeah. Still way better than Dylan Ratigan, tho.

[The Fake Shemp]

No fucking way.

[Oblivion]

No fucking way.

I don't mean being a better T.V. personality. Ratigan spends way too much time complaining about how both sides are corrupt jackasses, and then invites a repubican of some sort and 7 time out of 10 doesn't call them out on their bullshit. It's annoying as hell. At least Cenk calls em out right then and there.

[The Fake Shemp]

Ratigan is a populist; I really haven't seen him give more respect to either party. I've got my problems with him, but not voicing complaints to Republicans is not one of them.

[Phoenix Dark]

Yea dunno where you're getting that from T-EXP; Ratigan calls shit when he sees it, no matter who's on the toilet. My problem is with him sometimes going overboard on people who shouldn't be the target.

Ratigan>>>>>>>>>>>>Olbermann

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, Ratigan sometimes gets a full head of steam and loses it, and comes off very childish.

[Van Cruncheon]

neither party is especially deserving of respect, anyhow

[Phoenix Dark]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/ted_haggard_i_over-repented_for_my_meth-gay_prosti.php

no words 

[The Fake Shemp]

He is the Michael Vick of Evangelicals!

He should have added: "Roman Polanski needs to be making movies."

[Phoenix Dark]

[youtube=560,345]jNYLUHMdN8A[/youtube]
2007

[The Fake Shemp]

"Every time."

Sidehuggers

[Eric P]

that freeze image is creepy as fuck

[Barry Egan]

The profile describes Haggard's new backyard barn church, which features bags of cement and a pulpit made of buckets.

This is such a sad article 

[Boogie]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/ted_haggard_i_over-repented_for_my_meth-gay_prosti.php

no words 

And how did the purchase of meth factor in to this "massage gone wrong"?

[Yeti]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/ted_haggard_i_over-repented_for_my_meth-gay_prosti.php

no words 

And how did the purchase of meth factor in to this "massage gone wrong"?

I would think that would be a massage gone right. See Al Gore for a massage gone wrong.

[BlueTsunami]

I like Jon Stewarts goatee

[Cheebs]

I hate it.

[Ichirou]

He will shave it only when the oil has been cleaned up in the gulf.

[Cheebs]

So never then.

[Ichirou]

I think it becomes him.

[Eric P]

He also thinks the Tea Party/New Republicans are going to fucking crush the democrats in the next three years.

*shudder*

[Beardo]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/07/28/sec-says-new-finreg-law-exempts-public-disclosure/?test=latestnews

Under a little-noticed provision of the recently passed financial-reform legislation, the Securities and Exchange Commission no longer has to comply with virtually all requests for information releases from the public, including those filed under the Freedom of Information Act.

anyone?

At one rally half the speakers were non-white and he said he couldn't find a single non-white in the audience.

So in other words they are getting speakers from a variety of backgrounds and not only does it now decrease attendance it actually makes them more popular. It's almost as if they are encouraging diversity. Those racist bastards!!

[Beardo]

At one rally half the speakers were non-white and he said he couldn't find a single non-white in the audience.

So in other words they are getting speakers from a variety of backgrounds and not only does it now decrease attendance it actually makes them more popular. It's almost as if they are encouraging diversity. Those racist bastards!!

Did I mention racism at all?

You implied it by trying to distinguish the crowd as "all white" and saying how hard they work to bring in "non-white speakers." And you said it as if it were a bad thing. The tea party (which i'm not a member of) has nothing to do with race.

I swear liberals are OBSESSED with race.

[Beardo]

As for all the research your fiend is doing, it's not surprising. Anyone that talks to real people in real life knows that the general consensus is that Obama is useless.

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

[Beardo]

Actually when he goes to a Tea Party gathering the organizers are quick to point out how diverse their group is and they introduce him to all these speakers of different origins and then he goes into the crowd and it paints a different picture entirely. 

I'm not sure I understand your point. Isn't this a good thing? They are going out of their way for diversity. It's like liberal porn.

[Brehvolution]

As for all the research your fiend is doing, it's not surprising. Anyone that talks to real people in real life knows that the general consensus is that Obama is useless.

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

 

[Beardo]

What's interesting is this massive Republican disconnect from what liberals are thinking.  I don't know a single liberal who isn't disappointed with Obama and yet talking to republican friends they still think we all still believe that Obama is heaven sent.

Yeah but liberals are mad because he somehow isn't liberal enough. 

[Dickie Dee]

So a friend of mine is doing his PhD research on the new Right in America and they've been flying him around the country to attend Tea Party rallies/conventions/planning meetings and he was telling me about the hilarious efforts to make the Tea Party seem multi-racial.  At one rally half the speakers were non-white and he said he couldn't find a single non-white in the audience.  He also thinks the Tea Party/New Republicans are going to fucking crush the democrats in the next three years.

Does your friend feel pressue to dial-back on their craziness in order to make his thesis seem un-biased - like telling the most truthful honest account would come across as a hatchet job and he feels the need to blur the lines a tad for some good writing?

[Cheebs]

What's interesting is this massive Republican disconnect from what liberals are thinking.  I don't know a single liberal who isn't disappointed with Obama and yet talking to republican friends they still think we all still believe that Obama is heaven sent.

Yeah but liberals are mad because he somehow isn't liberal enough. 

Exactly.

[Oblivion]

If you're a tea partier, you're not necessarily racist, but if you're a racist, you're most likely a tea partier.

What's interesting is this massive Republican disconnect from what liberals are thinking.  I don't know a single liberal who isn't disappointed with Obama and yet talking to republican friends they still think we all still believe that Obama is heaven sent.

Yeah but liberals are mad because he somehow isn't liberal enough. 

I'm guessing you think he's currently somewhere between Stalin and Mao, correct?

[Beardo]

I'm guessing you think he's currently somewhere between Stalin and Mao, correct?

Nah, he's just naive. I mean he's probably a nice guy. Just a lousy leader.

[Beardo]

I actually think Obama gets more hate than he deserves. Like Bush, alot of hate should be directed towards such a terrible congress.

[Oblivion]

I'm guessing you think he's currently somewhere between Stalin and Mao, correct?

Nah, he's just naive. I mean he's probably a nice guy. Just a lousy leader.

Huh, seems we agree on that.

[Beardo]

I guess, I'm most surprised that you guys actually thought he was gonna be different. I guess I can't really blame you.

[Cheebs]

Who is someone out there you think would be a good president that could feasibly run for president Beardo.

[Beardo]

Who is someone out there you think would be a good president that could feasibly run for president Beardo.

You Cheebs. You are our only hope.

[Eric P]

he also has a black friend (online) and a hispanic friend (online)

[Beardo]

Doesn't Cheebs get a $150 haircut? Sounds like a dirty librul if i ever heard of one.

[Beardo]

Cheebs is rich, white, male, and from a potential battleground state.  He's a Republican dream candidate.

Is Michigan a battleground state? I always thought of it as a state which looks like a place where people go to have actual battles.

[Phoenix Dark]

As for all the research your fiend is doing, it's not surprising. Anyone that talks to real people in real life knows that the general consensus is that Obama is useless.

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

Obama has accomplished more than JFK breh

well legislatively, not in terms of preventing nuclear war

[Van Cruncheon]

can i think obama is a 21st century reagan instead

[Beardo]

can i think obama is a 21st century reagan instead

I dont know. can i haz cheezburger?

[Human Snorenado]

First contact with aliens.  That would be sweet.

[The Fake Shemp]

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

I like how Beardo bashes MSNBC when he clearly isn't watching it. I won't dare say the network is not left-leaning, but as far as an Obama support, their editorial staff is just as discontent - if not moreso - as the rest of America. For crying out loud, Ed Schultz blasted him at Netroots a week ago and he's about as liberal as you can get.

[Human Snorenado]

Ed Shultz is a fucking moron.  The only person on MSNBC I can stand anymore is Rachel Maddow, and even she is turning into a concern troll with each passing day.

[Phoenix Dark]

Maddow's takedown on Fox/O'Reilly was pretty epic though

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't like him either. I pretty much turn the channel off after Dylan Ratigan, and even he gets a premature change-of-the-channel depending on his behavior. My point was, more or less, blasting MSNBC for telling people how great the President is doing is pretty funny when it's painfully obvious that they are in the same fail boat as the rest of us.

[Van Cruncheon]

dylan ratigan > rachel maddow

[The Fake Shemp]

I agree.

[Human Snorenado]

I dunno, I haven't watched anything regularly in forever.  I did always like Ratigan's continual focus on the unpunished crimes of the Wall St. set, tho.

[The Fake Shemp]

Ratigan scrutinizes both financial and political institutions. I get kind of depressed watching his show, though. It makes you realize how out-of-touch politicians and Wall St. are with reality, and that there's very little to stop it.

Every episode pretty much ends with him telling us we need to be more informed and skeptical and demand accountability, but nothing in a truly practical manner. Unless people can rally around something tangible, he'll never run out of politicians and bankers to yell about.

[Oblivion]

I'd like Ratigan a lot more if he didn't just come off as continuously bitchy all the time. In some ways, his personality is the kind that's the most annoying. His smug demeanor, with his "oh, BOTH sides are evil, I'm a REAL independent" bullshit. Then he has a republican corporate lacky appear on his show and lets them off easy (check out today's episode when he interviewed Tom Coburn for an example).

Maddow is much, much more skilled at eviscerating her opponents, while at the same time not coming off as whiny.

As for Ed Schult, I like the fact that he's a pretty amiable person, and he really does come off as sincere in wanting to help people, but holy shit does he suck at debating. He rarely gets a chance to properly rebut any republican's talking points, and if he can't do that effectively, he should change his show's format to resemble Olbermann's more closely.