"A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics

[Phoenix Dark]

It's for the overall November 2012 ballot, not the primary ballot.

[benjipwns]

Igor needs to fix his headline.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/293382/birther-bid-to-derail-obama-blocked

But Taitz insists that document is fake: The computer file is layered and could have been altered with the Adobe Illustrator program, she said.

"A child can see this is a forgery," she told the commission. "Why are they refusing to show the public the original?"

She also claims Obama doesn't have a valid Social Security number. Included in the 85-page packet Taitz submitted to the commission is a tax return with "a number that was never assigned to him," Taitz said. She said Obama is using a Social Security number issued in Connecticut around 1977.

In conducting her research, Taitz said she also found several birth dates associated with Obama in a national database. And she found information that she said contradicts Obama's claim about the length of time he spent attending Columbia University, which claims the president as a 1983 graduate.

"We have an individual where we don't know who he is," Taitz said. "We need to know that the person who is at the helm of this country, who is leading our military, whose finger is on the red button of nuclear weapons, has proper identification."

She told the commission members they would be responsible for "the most egregious election fraud ever committed" if they didn't take Obama's name off the ballot.

"This is bigger than Watergate. This is a hundred times bigger than Watergate," Taitz said. "Ladies and gentlemen, in your hands is national security for the United States of America."

But the commission wasn't convinced.

"Is there any decision, any place, by any body - adjudicatory body - to the questions you're asking?" said the chairman, Bradford Cook. "Because they've been asked a lot of places."

"No, but -" Taitz began.

"No," Cook said. "Thank you."

"Obama does not have an valid identification papers, which are necessary to be a candidate on the ballot, running for the U.S. presidency, based upon New Hampshire elections law 655-17 and on Article 1, section 2 of the U.S. Constitution," Taitz wrote.

"This case shows an unprecedented level of corruption and lawlessness in the federal government and in the government of Hawaii, which allowed Obama to get on the ballot in 2008. … Petitioner demands removal of Obama from the ballot in the state of New Hampshire in the Democrat party primary and demands immediate criminal prosecution of Obama and his accomplices for elections fraud, common law fraud and uttering of forged documents."

Meanwhile, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County in Arizona has assigned a special cold case team to investigate the possibility that Obama could use fraudulent documents to apply to be on the Arizona ballot next year.

He's said the investigators have accumulated thousands of pages of evidence and his report likely will come early in 2012.

"special cold case team"

[Human Snorenado]

Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.

Anyway, the OWS movement will fizzle out next year, especially when Democrats at the higher levels (whose coffers are currently getting filled from all dat Wall Street cash) start turning their backs on them.  They'd much rather get the $1 billion they need to campaign with than depend on OWS.

Point me to all of these democratic candidates who are cozying up to OWS, I am having trouble remembering any other than Elizabeth Warren you dumb fucker.  NOBODY running for office wants anything to do w/ OWS- the GOP are actively antagonistic and the dems are all weird about maybe wanting to agree with them yet at the same time GOTTA MAKE THAT SKRILLA.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Pepper spray'd in training.  That was the most pain I've ever been in.  But's it's over within an hour or so.

Was supposed to get tear gassed, but that didn't quite happen.  Funny story, I should tell y'all about it some time.  But everyone in training says that pepper spray is worse than the gas.

The thing about physical force like the baton is that it has the greater potential for lasting harm/damage, as opposed to gas and spray.

Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.

oooh, ooh!  Story time, please!

The university I went to had an annual festival that had the tendency to turn ugly.  A house party got busted that night by police donning riot gear and things quickly spiraled out of control.  A lot of college students were being dumb motherfuckers since they were lighting dumpsters on fire and rolling them into buildings, pulling out street light posts and running them into windows, etc.  The riot police enclosed in the area and unloaded tear gas into the crowd.  I never participated in the damage but I was close by watching with friends.  I just recall tear gas really burning my eyes but not much else.   So we all grouped back together as did many others and soon the riot police were chasing groups down and pepper spraying them.  I got caught in the middle of things when some policeman was pepper spraying everyone in his sight it seemed.  That shit was far more painful than tear gas.  Shortly after, the riot pretty much stopped there, with a few arrests here and there.  The effects of pepper spray probably wore off within an hour.  The people doing property damage were pretty much all caught on security footage and were kicked out of school accordingly.

I just don't think temporary excruciating pain of pepper spray is worse than being beaten with a baton, just because it would take a lot longer for your body to recover.  Tear gas is nowhere near as bad as either one.  It has a lot of range as people about a quarter of a mile away (some friends who were in the dorms at the time) could feel their eyes burn from the dispersed tear gas.

Good times!

[Oblivion]

This is pretty crazy:

[Barry Egan]

Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.

Anyway, the OWS movement will fizzle out next year, especially when Democrats at the higher levels (whose coffers are currently getting filled from all dat Wall Street cash) start turning their backs on them.  They'd much rather get the $1 billion they need to campaign with than depend on OWS.

How would democrats turning their backs on OWS lead to them fizzling out?  OWS has nothing to do with the democratic party 

[Mandark]

Yeah, if your street protest movement needs to be propped up by mainstream party leaders, you had a shitty street protest movement to begin with.

[benjipwns]

Looks like Newt has gotten the memo and is going all in on the sound-bite red-meat candidacy Hermain Cain failed so poorly at: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-tells-off-occupy-wall-street-at-gop-debate-go-get-a-job-after-you-take-a-bath/

Speaking of OWS related stupidity, Michael Moore continues to be really fucking dumb about it:

Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend-& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did O give green light?

Boring ramble:

I always thought the "occupy" concept was self-defeating as people would inherently lose interest camping out and it'd invite in the dredges of society and hardliner nuts like this to be the core of the people left at some point: http://www.dailycal.org/2011/11/18/man-throws-aluminum-water-bottle-at-uc-berkeley-students-face/

Which is really why the powers that be decided they had to be "cleaned out" especially with all the health hazards and assaults popping up. (I mean the big ones where this was going on, not the numerous smaller encampments.) If they had maybe done rallies/protests and weekend long stuff for a while I doubt they would have lost anything in terms of political capital and gotten even more people turning out for each event. How do they escalate things come Spring now? They could have occupied for six months or more next year during the election season.

Although I suppose I'm not the biggest fan of "awareness"-only type protests in the first place. I knew this guy, another poli-sci faculty, who was gushing over how OWS was going to cause all the young people to rise up and get involved in the regulatory process (especially through http://www.regulations.gov) and make sure the regulatory state worked for the people. And how this would transform America and the globe unlike the Tea Party.

I don't care for the Tea Party, and I know OWS was doing something well...different, but the Tea Party was similarly disorganized and aimless early on and I think to some extent resisted being co-opted to however a semi-splinter faction of an existing party can be. They had the nebulous dislike of the government and blah blah as well, but they also had two specific targets they could start to gel a unified focus around in hating PPACA/ObamaCare/Death Panels. And then after that sorta died out they turned their ire on the "RINOS" and went after Castle, Murkowski, McCain and co., put a lot of "their people" in the nominations even if they lost like Angle, O'Donnell, Lee, Miller, Rubio and in other cases the GOTV effort helped "outsiders" like Snyder in Michigan, Walker in Wisconsin, etc. and overall helped the GOP.

Back to OWS, I think the occupy aspect somewhat knee capped this as you had everyone at the ones I saw in DC, NYC, SF and Oakland. You had Ron Paul END THE FED types, general left-liberals, the standard Workers World types who turn out to everything under the sun, general "hippies" who do the same, people who just want to play the drums to be "the heartbeat of the movement" and everything else you would expect. Tea Party was probably more ideologically cohesive but you still had racists, libertarians, so-cons, small business people, gun nuts, etc.

You aren't going to win either way, I don't think the Tea Party nor OWS really got reasonable coverage (as if anyone does these days, one aspect I liked about FOX's love for the Tea Party was that they would put the various people on to talk at least), and there is time to be seen for OWS yet, the Tea Party hadn't won much of anything in 2009 either, but the whole occupy thing strikes me as what you do last.

I've seen conservatives calling them Obamavilles and when even your "allies" are running away from you because all the kids got bored and the criminals took advantage, it's not helping you out.

To put in one last obvious note, OWS is drastically younger that I can tell, the Tea Party somewhat instinctively knew they had to do something within the GOP since their political activism was limited to bumper stickers, shooting guns, hating them damn Mexicans on the teevee and voting. From the interviews and everything I've seen a lot of the OWS people still think they can change things by like totally drawing attention to the problems with the intrinsic paradigms man. Which is great and all, but doesn't get you much of anywhere if you don't have critical mass like with the Vietnam draft protests. And I know nobody is running against Obama but they could use some type of Sarah Palin sorta-related media-distracting type to run around to each of the Occupy sites and hype people up while not doing anything else to try and run the movement except for the publicity they can get out of it. Rosanne Barr and Michael Moore aren't really cutting it.

But then I also think some eccentric rich guy could come along complaining about bailouts, outsourcing/AMERICAN JOBS and one of those variations some of the GOP candidates are trying with the "end the bad war parts but fight the other war parts harder!" and put up Ross Perot type numbers. A couple Republican guys I know were suggesting they wouldn't mind my five-man scenario of Obama-Romney-Paul-Bloomberg/Trump-Dobbs. (Last one was the first anti-immigrant, protectionist guy I could think of and he had been pretending he wanted to run last year.)

They didn't like my suggestion that Hillary should resign and enter the Republican race even though they said they'd prefer that Obama lost in the end.

Sorry Bore, was waiting on a defrag to finish so I could get back to The Third, so I thought I'd vomit up some off the cuff poorly reasoned political opinions expert punditry on you.

I'll stick this out here since it's glib. If there's something about OWS I could say I actually hated, it's the "we are the 99%" thing. It irks me in much the same way "we are the ones we are waiting for" did.

[Dickie Dee]

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/santorum-labor-unions-are-force-for-goodif-youre-iranian.php?ref=fpblg_beta

this guy...

[Phoenix Dark]

Better yet, did you hear Newt extoll the virtue of American exceptionalism being that when we send soldiers to war, they are our brothers, sisters, fathers, daughters, etc - which separates us from the rest of the world. So much crazy

but I must say I teared up as Santorum told the story about his kid. He's an asshole but that's a heartbreaking situation

[Positive Touch]

had to do it:

but I must say I teared up as Santorum told the story about his kid. He's an asshole but that's a heartbreaking situation

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.breitbart.tv/matthews-obamas-dont-like-being-in-white-house-michelle-not-happy/
 

Matthews sounds butthurt. I think his point about the general aimlessness of Obama's WH is valid, but it's odd hearing Matthews carry water for one of the most vapid, ignorant right wing attacks (herp derp Michelle is an angry black woman)

[Oblivion]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-krugman-newt-gingrich-is-a-stupid-mans-idea-of-what-a-smart-person-sounds-like/

K-thug

[Phoenix Dark]

David Frum on realizing his party is insane
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

David Frum on realizing his party is insane
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

Good read, thanks for the link.  It is shocking to see how the GOP is making a dead sprint to move as far right as possible, at the expense of the health of the economy, and also to the point where Bush's presidency and policies seem rational and levelheaded by comparison.

[Phoenix Dark]

From the article

It was not so long ago that Texas governor Bush denounced attempts to cut the earned-income tax credit as “balancing the budget on the backs of the poor.” By 2011, Republican commentators were noisily complaining that the poorer half of society are “lucky duckies” because the EITC offsets their federal tax obligations—or because the recession had left them with such meager incomes that they had no tax to pay in the first place. In 2000, candidate Bush routinely invoked “churches, synagogues, and mosques.” By 2010, prominent Republicans were denouncing the construction of a mosque in lower Manhattan as an outrageous insult. In 2003, President Bush and a Republican majority in Congress enacted a new ­prescription-drug program in Medicare. By 2011, all but four Republicans in the House and five in the Senate were voting to withdraw the Medicare guarantee from everybody under age 55. Today, the Fed’s pushing down interest rates in hopes of igniting economic growth is close to treason, according to Governor Rick Perry, coyly seconded by TheWall Street Journal. In 2000, the same policy qualified Alan Greenspan as the “greatest central banker in the history of the world,” according to Perry’s mentor, Senator Phil Gramm. Today, health reform that combines regulation of private insurance, individual mandates, and subsidies for those who need them is considered unconstitutional and an open invitation to “death panels.” A dozen years ago, a very similar reform was the Senate Republican alternative to Hillarycare. Today, stimulative fiscal policy that includes tax cuts for almost every American is “socialism.” In 2001, stimulative fiscal policy that included tax cuts for rather fewer Americans was an economic­-recovery program.

I'm certainly not going to wax poetic about the virtues of George W. Bush or forget his own forays into the same divisive gutter politics that dominate the right today, but it is certainly fair to say his republican party is quite different from the one we're seeing now on immigration and some economic issues. A sensible* republican would destroy Obama in an election, assuming economic growth continued at a snails pace. Yet the party has been unable to produce such a candidate, mainly because the sensible republicans that exist know they can't compete with the hardcore voices that dominate the party today.

Americans are becoming more liberal on social issues, the Hispanic population is booming across the country, and the majority of the public supports a series of liberal economic positions on taxes/spending. The republican party won't go extinct, American politics are too cyclical. But there's no way the current brand of republicanism lasts as America gets browner.

*Sensible in terms of being more in tune with traditional republican candidates. I don't think Chris Christie's crusade against unions is sensible, or Mitch Daniels' position on deficits is sensible, but they're mainstream candidates who can/could win.

[Shadow Mod]

We need a zombie Teddy Roosevelt, he wouldn't stand for any of this shit.

[Brehvolution]

I was denounced the next day by my former colleagues at The Wall Street Journal as a turncoat. Three days after that, I was dismissed from the American Enterprise Institute. I’m not a solitary case: In 2005, the economist Bruce Bartlett, a main legislative author of the Kemp-Roth tax cut, was fired from a think tank in Dallas for too loudly denouncing the George W. Bush administration’s record, and I could tell equivalent stories about other major conservative think tanks as well.

I don’t complain from a personal point of view. Happily, I had other economic resources to fall back upon. But the message sent to others with less security was clear: We don’t pay you to think, we pay you to repeat.

My favorite part of the article. Nothing is more indicative of how right wing messaging is to work than this statement.

[Phoenix Dark]

I love K-Thug's passive aggressive verbal bombs. He hurls insult after insult while looking like he's ready to jump out the window in the event someone lunges at him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/paul-krugman-george-will-newt-gingrich_n_1104877.html
 

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0a03ebddbb/ron-paul-a-bad-lip-reading-soundbite -- new one, love these

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/04/bad-lip-reading-michele-bachmann_n_994399.html

[Oblivion]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/11/21/373627/romney-admits-recordsdestruction/

You know, I honestly would have thought Romney would have handled this issue with a little more subtlety.

[Oblivion]

karma's a bitch:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ny-foreclosure-firm-that-threw-halloween-party-mocking-homeless-warns-of-mass-layoffs/2011/11/21/gIQAPU6LiN_story.html

[benjipwns]

Super Committee. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Polls continue to show Newt on top

Newt Gingrich: 24 (22)
Mitt Romney: 20 (24)
Herman Cain: 17 (14)
Rick Perry: 11 (12)
Ron Paul: 9 (
Michele Bachmann: 5 (6)
Rick Santorum: 4 (3)
Jon Huntsman: 3 (3)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/21/1038776/-Newt-Gingrich-takes-lead-in-CNN%C2%A0survey?via=blog_1

Seems like the next phase of the anti-Romney phase. I remember thinking Perry would win because he was such a tea party-esque candidate, but horrible gaffes ruined him. Newt has a history of saying/doing dumb things, but he's also an impressive debater who is knowledgeable on issues beyond talking points - unlike Perry and the former anti-Romney, Cain.

The problem is that establishment types hate the guy, he doesn't have a lot of money, and doesn't have the infrastructure in place to win a state like Iowa. If he can get his campaign rolling in Iowa and pull off a win, he might be in position to really challenge Romney. I tend to think South Carolina would prefer any of the southern sons (Gingrich, Cain, Perry) over Romney, and Gingrich would also have a shot at NH. Who knows

[Himu]

have you guys read this shit?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2011/11/christian_theocracy_how_newt_gingrich_and_the_gop_would_abolish_courts_and_legislate_morality_.single.html

[benjipwns]

12. Freedom means obeying morality. Santorum concluded, “Our founders understood liberty is not what you want to do, but what you ought to do. That’s what liberty really is about.”

I like this comparable Santorum one: "This idea that people should be able to go and do whatever they want and it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, that's not our founders' view of freedom."

And this Newt one more than the ones quoted there: "I have two grandchildren. I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

[Human Snorenado]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop/photos

Some of those are probably a little nsfw.

[Brehvolution]

12. Freedom means obeying morality. Santorum concluded, “Our founders understood liberty is not what you want to do, but what you ought to do. That’s what liberty really is about.”

I like this comparable Santorum one: "This idea that people should be able to go and do whatever they want and it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, that's not our founders' view of freedom."

And this Newt one more than the ones quoted there: "I have two grandchildren. I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

It's funny 'cause everything wrong in 'murica is because of this reasoning. Someone should tell Santorum that our founding father came here to escape the very thing he thinks their view is.

[Brehvolution]

And for today's episode of 'Herp-Derp':
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/fox-news-on-uc-davis-pepper-spraying-its-a-food-product-essentially.php?ref=fpb

 

[Dickie Dee]

And for today's episode of 'Herp-Derp':
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/fox-news-on-uc-davis-pepper-spraying-its-a-food-product-essentially.php?ref=fpb

 

I remember jokes just recently flying around of pepper spray being declared a vegetable, F you reality

[TakingBackSunday]

Jesus.  So the Republican parties best options and front runners, from the beginning of this whole fiasco:

-Palin
-Trump
-Pawlenty
-Bachman
-Perry
-Cain
-Now Gingrich

seriously?  This party is so fucking stupid and in disarray that they're making the Democratic party look definite and powerful.  If they would've thrown full support to Romney near the beginning, he'd win against Obama easily, but this awful "duck duck goose" game they're playing is making a second term Obama presideny look more and more likely every week this goes on.  I'm okay with that.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm waiting for Santorum to get his shot! He might just surge at the right time, like late December

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/29/the-very-brief-life-of-fo_n_743569.html
no shame

[Mandark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/29/the-very-brief-life-of-fo_n_743569.html
no shame

I was about to say that something just like that happened last year.

Then I realized you were linking to a year-old story.

[Phoenix Dark]

hey man, I saw the side blurb on a story I was reading, not my fault 

[Oblivion]

lol, so much for Newtmentum*:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-under-fire-at-gop-debate-for-calling-for-humane-immigration-policy/

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if someone could make a clever physics based pun, feel free. I couldn't  :'(

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[Van Cruncheon]

Newt-owned-again gravity? i give up.

[Oblivion]

Newt-owned-again gravity? i give up.

That's similar to one of the choices I had, actually. Another was terminewt velocity achieved.

blech

where's malek when you need em

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm watching that Newt clip and jeez, that's a pretty...sensible. Gotta love his face as Bachman distorts his comment over and over again. Wow 

The crowd seemed relatively receptive to Newt's position. Also gotta love Romney moving to the far right on immigration (again); he did the same thing in 2007/8, attempting to outflank McCain. Good luck in the general buddy

[MrAngryFace]

Far too early for Newt to say things that liberals might like- GOP is full of people that cheer letting people die and boo soldiers

[Mandark]

Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.

[CajoleJuice]

Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.

Malek-esque

[Human Snorenado]

Talking like that will really newter his chances with the GOP primary voter.

[benjipwns]

Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.

Or maybe his campaign just went Newtcular.

[Oblivion]

Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.

Or maybe his campaign just went Newtcular.

FUCK U FUCK U FUCK U FUCK U BENJI

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I was just about to use that.  :'(

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[Phoenix Dark]

Maybe he should join Newtec, which is a satellite communications company

[benjipwns]

He might steal votes from Ron Paul if he talks about holding the government to its Enewtmerated Powers.

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[Phoenix Dark]

I was following this thread until I opened a newtab

[Great Rumbler]

With a comment like that, his campaign has been completely Newtered.

[Brehvolution]

Probably eats a shitload of Newtella while watching Jimmy Newtron.

[MrAngryFace]

I was listening to local talk radio here- irritating when even the liberal hosts are more skeptical of Obama than NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH

[Phoenix Dark]

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.theonion.com/video/congressmans-son-wont-shut-the-hell-up-during-hear,14336/

Classic

[Oblivion]

(Image removed from quote.)

Was just about to post that.


Speaking of Newt, I gots me a question for those that were far more politically aware in the 90s. I keep hearing certain people say that Newt's a science geek for some reason. It may just be this Tea Party era we're living in, but it's hard for me to believe someone like Newt ever had anything other than contempt for science. I could also be wrong, but didn't Newt do a lot to suck the religious right's dick back then?

[Mupepe]

The View has competition!

Okay I'm going back and checking out some Youtube videos I can't watch at work here and I have to ask... Is this serious?  It's a parody, right?

[Oblivion]

Nope, it's real.

That, or Victoria Jackson is the greatest troll in history.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577054141769215880.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

His enemy will be the banks, which he bailed out.

 

We voted for change and got 911 and bailouts

[benjipwns]

http://www.yankton.net/articles/2011/11/22/opinion/editorials/doc4ecb289e57114536886034.txt

In a recent profile piece highlighting the case for Santorum, Quin Hillyer asks, “could it be that the sharpest, most accomplished, most campaign-savvy, and most full-spectrum conservative in a quarter-century of presidential contests has been in the contest all along, working harder than anybody, making at least as much intellectual sense as anybody, never blowing a debate, and never failing to stand on principle?” Without getting too carried away, Hillyer has a point, particularly with his last observation.

When it comes to standing on principle, it’s Santorum in a walk.

For all that the “conservatarian” Ron Paul types will say about Paul’s devotion to small government, only Rick Santorum demonstrates a full recognition that the only way small government is possible is if our culture boasts strong families. The way to accomplish that end is not to take the libertarian, hands-off, anything-goes philosophy towards morality in the public square.

Beck’s point is that in a generation full of soundbite-obsessed, pandering politicians, Santorum is a man of honor. That distinction alone should earn him a chance in the spotlight.

Heck is a public high school government teacher and radio talk show host in central Indiana. Email peter@peterheck.com, visit www.peterheck.com, or like him on Facebook.

[Phoenix Dark]

Speaking of which

Key social conservatives secretly meet to stop Romney in Iowa
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/23/politics/secret-romney-meeting/index.html

If they jump on Newt's bandwagon I'm going to laugh my ass off. Santorum should be their guy, assuming they've given up on Perry. But I doubt neither could beat Obama.

[Human Snorenado]

No one who comes out of The Great Republican Thunderdome Nomination Process of 2012 is going to be able to beat Obama.