Game of Thrones Season 8, we can finally stop waiting on GURM

[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't think you need to be like "there were no signs she'd go crazy". They were obviously there. BUT. I do think it's a bit like
Khal Drogo and baby dead? Killed the woman responsible
New husband betrays her?  Eh
2 dragons die? Small grimmace
Ser Friendzone dies right in front of her. She mourns a few minutes.
Translator dies (Which frankly was Dany's own fault)? BURN EVERYTHING DOWN!!!

Don't necessarily think it's being nit picky to be like "That's some shitty writing"

That was not her only motivation though.

She believed she was not going to end up on the throne, it made her paranoid as hell and then she finds out her advisors who had been urging her not to attack the red keep betrayed her.

How did everyone miss this major plot point they hammered in for 2 episodes straight?  Or the 5 times I’ve mentioned it here lol

Oh, I don't think anyone missed it. I think everyone is saying it was executed insanely poorly.

[I'm a Puppy!]

What does Cersei’s gaining power have anything to do with her losing it that quickly?

It's not earned. Nothing changes between Dany getting humbled in episode 4 and Dany destroying everything in episode 5 except that she decides to try harder, or whatever. All those carefully laid defense plans get swept aside in a couple minutes because reasons. And this ends a 3+ season arc.  It's trash.

[headwalk]

i'm sorry that you have failed to enjoy this forum conversation.

[agrajag]

 

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[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't think you need to be like "there were no signs she'd go crazy". They were obviously there. BUT. I do think it's a bit like
Khal Drogo and baby dead? Killed the woman responsible
New husband betrays her?  Eh
2 dragons die? Small grimmace
Ser Friendzone dies right in front of her. She mourns a few minutes.
Translator dies (Which frankly was Dany's own fault)? BURN EVERYTHING DOWN!!!

Don't necessarily think it's being nit picky to be like "That's some shitty writing"

That was not her only motivation though.

She believed she was not going to end up on the throne, it made her paranoid as hell and then she finds out her advisors who had been urging her not to attack the red keep betrayed her.

How did everyone miss this major plot point they hammered in for 2 episodes straight?  Or the 5 times I’ve mentioned it here lol

Oh, I don't think anyone missed it. I think everyone is saying it was executed insanely poorly.

That’s strange since you just attributed her burning down everything to one persons death and ignored all her other motivations.  So you either missed it orrrr?

Really seems more like you guys aren’t interested in having an actual conversation where you acknowledged ledge what other people are saying.

Maybe it's because they spent more time on that stupid thing than all the rest and what it meant to her.

[headwalk]

two whole episodes of build up lads.

well, not whole episodes, but at least 2/3rds of an episode!

[headwalk]

night mate.

[headwalk]

the only cuddles i require are filler likes.

[I'm a Puppy!]

All those claiming this season's been great

[shosta]

Jon turning Dany down is just another example of the writers snubbing the audience, many of whom are hardcore incest fans

[Let's Cyber]

like i said before, there's a lot of brilliant TV production craft here from all the peons who actually put the graft into making this shit, but it's embarrassing what an absolute rushed chop job it is and absolutely nothing lands as it should as a result. it's like watching a film on fast forward complete with squeaky voices and comedy movements.

the euron just popping out of the water to fight jamie is probably the laziest shit i've ever seen in a big production like this, it was like something out of hot shots. DnD don't give a fuck, and while this is clearly GRRM's napkin written ending and they had fuck all clue or desire to properly get there.

80 hours of being a paragon of virtue to becoming a mass murdering femcel in about an hour of screentime while everyone else devolves into a gawping sap staggering aimlessly to their plot destination.

Despite me liking this last episode, this all does feel super rushed. Kind of sad too because I think just 2 full seasons for 7 and 8 would have been enough to elaborate and slowburn on Dany's deteriorating mental state in a more satisfying way. That would have helped with some of the current complaints, I think.

From what I've read, HBO wanted them (and were willing to pay for) 10 episode seasons but the showrunners wanted out. So here we are.

[agrajag]

Jon turning Dany down is just another example of the writers snubbing the audience, many of whom are hardcore incest fans

it's pornhub's fault!

[curly]

https://twitter.com/David_Quinones/status/1128027977218916352

[Kara]

 
 https://twitter.com/SaladScissor/status/1127905718068240384

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#demthrones 

[Kara]

Wow finally someone wrote something good (other than a meme or joke) about the bad dragon books / show.

https://twitter.com/BrentSirota/status/1127916432556285954

[Himu]

I enjoyed this forum conversation but at this point we’re at an impasse and there’s nothing additional anyone of us can contribute I think. Waiting for the series finale at this point.

Like a lot of questions such as,”why did she do it?” could be answered in the finale.

I think most (emphasis on most) have legitimate criticisms but it’s also damn hard to fully answer.

Was the the way they handled the build up flawed? Certainly. But I thought that episode worked despite that.

It’s really hard to judge it without seeing the finale. For all I know they could completely fuck it up.

The problem I have is when people argue something is bad writing just because they don’t like it. I have been among the first to call out the show for its bad writing in this very thread. But I simply do not consider Dany’s sacking of KL to be among those things. Some people are making legitimate criticisms. Others are making premature judgements as if it was the last episode.

Idk. We’ll have to see for the finale to continue this but I’m not seeing where we’re going from here as a discussion.

If anything, I found this to be a great discussion and at least it has the internet talking and engaged in a way I’ve never seen it engaged with a tv show before. Ever. For all of its faults I think they’ve got that down pat and that’s all George.

Good talk. Scouting the net for hilarious reactions now.

[shosta]

I gotchu fam

https://twitter.com/GeekEliteMedia/status/1128113970584465409

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I thoroughly enjoyed kings landing being BBQ'd 

I had wanted night king to destroy all of westeros, but this was a good sub. Though not quite beef for beans, it still satisfied.

[Himu]

Another thing about Dany:  she just lost the love of her life (Jon.)

She seemed willing to rule together with him, she made that last desperate attempt for him to be a couple and he turned her down making it clear that he was going to be her nephew moving forward not her husband.

That was another breaking point for her.  And she can’t let Jon be the victor, the one to storm the red keep and lead the army or else again, she believed the people would crown him King.

If none of this was meant to give Dany motivation then these writers are fucking strange  as it makes way more sense than “was gonna let them surrender but then  ”

She contemplated the option of letting them surrender but decided on destroying the city because of a culmination of factors.

The problem is that Dany and Jon met just last season so even that romance is rushed. The overall problem with both s7 and 8 is that they needed more time in the oven. I think we see them fuck just once and that was s7 finale. Then Jon learned he’s part Targ in 08x01 so it’s like...we’ve barely even seen them as lovers to begin with. Which is why I say the episode is fantastic on its own but Jesus they fucked up the journey.

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https://twitter.com/rhe_tori_cal/status/1128129835128295425

[Himu]

Fucking dead

[Kara]

I have proposed, in the past, that the Joint-Dictatorship of the Slaves and Serfs of Oppressed Nations (JDSSON) should disperse the Seven KKKingdoms throughout the Third World instead of allowing them to remain in occupied Westeros. Here are some of my reasons:

[Himu]

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[Himu]

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[Kara]

http://www.twitter.com/benonwine/status/1128070490067750913

 

[Himu]

http://www.twitter.com/sbazzini8/status/1128093241608417280

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[Himu]

http://www.twitter.com/sreekyshooter/status/1128121301632110592

http://www.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1128043895688970240

http://www.twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1128110196184711169

https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-mom-who-named-her-baby-khaleesi.html

lmao

[Kara]

http://www.twitter.com/sbazzini8/status/1128093241608417280

QUEEN IN THE NORTH QUEEN IN THE NORTH QUEEN IN THE NORTH

[Himu]

HBO publicly stated before even season 6 that they wanted them to do more and they hoped they would change their mind from the planned 2 short seasons so that’s not much of an admittance lol

yeah but someone asked for evidence earlier and i couldn't find  a source although i read the same thing

[Tasty]

Phoenix in the North

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DUMB ASS BIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH IN THE NORTH

[Himu]

DUMB ASS BIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH IN THE NORTH

Prepare yourself.

[mormapope]

I don't watch Game of Thrones, but the disappointment from fans is pretty special to me and the most redeeming part of the show.

If these fans want to watch something with great character development, tragic and long-lasting storytelling themes, and combat between large gangs, The Shield is still the best choice.   



Antwon Mitchell >>>>>> Danixera, Cabootie, and Fennawax.

[Himu]

From The Cut interview.

How does her new character arc make you feel?

I’m still behind her. Even after last night’s episode, I’m still rooting for her. I don’t think she did anything wrong. I think she did what she had to do. She gave many options. She tells you, “Are you gonna bend the knee, or are you not?” So I don’t know why everybody’s acting surprised. She’s done this before. If you betray her, you don’t bend the knee, look what happens.

These Dany fans are gully, fam. What the Christ.

[TEEEPO]

keep them coming Cindi   

[Human Snorenado]

Dany was under the belief Jon would be made King, so no, her “winning” when they surrendered in her mind wouldn’t be enough.  A dominant and cruel victory sends a message to everyone including anyone who would support Jon as king.

That’s how I see it, beyond just her anger at her advisors telling her over and over not to burn the city and those same advisors betraying her in her mind.

“They didn’t establish a motive”; I feel like you didn’t pay attention.

Pretttttttttttty much.

https://www.bodyforwife.com/to-everyone-angry-about-what-happened-on-game-of-thrones-last-night/

[Himu]

Dany was under the belief Jon would be made King, so no, her “winning” when they surrendered in her mind wouldn’t be enough.  A dominant and cruel victory sends a message to everyone including anyone who would support Jon as king.

That’s how I see it, beyond just her anger at her advisors telling her over and over not to burn the city and those same advisors betraying her in her mind.

“They didn’t establish a motive”; I feel like you didn’t pay attention.

Pretttttttttttty much.

https://www.bodyforwife.com/to-everyone-angry-about-what-happened-on-game-of-thrones-last-night/

Next, Dany should purge any leader who could possibly threaten her. Jon needs to die first. Tyrion? Dead. Sansa? Fucking dead. Burn all of Winterfell and Bran and the whole bit. They don’t need to fear the White Walkers any longer. Install puppet leaders in various kingdoms. Rule via terror.

And if she does that, she will likely rule long and die in her bed an old woman.

Except for one thing. There is no killing Arya.

My prediction for the final episode is that Daenerys will do all what I just wrote to secure her spot on the throne, and we will be left with a final scene of Arya sharpening her weaponry, a murderous gleam in her eyes.

Arya didn’t get to kill Cersei. But the show will provide another queen for her to kill.

I would smash my computer if she killed Jon.

...

Maybe not. But I'll at least sulk.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm putting all my money on this happening...

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Tyrion throws down his hand pin as soon as he sees Dany, she kills him pretty much immediately. Takes Jon, Davos, some other prisoners to ensure the north plays nice in the new reality. Probably gets Sansa dragged down to KL since time doesn't matter in Westeros anymore. Puts Jon on trial, sentences him to die... and Drogon breathes fire on him, but he doesn't burn cause he's Targaryen, duh, and not shitty Targ like Viserys but an actual Dragon Targ. It's so dumb that you know D&D would pat themselves on the back after writing that. Arya springs out of nowhere with someone's face on (Grey Worm?) and kills Dany. Jon uses his Targ bullshit to either tame Drogon, tell him to fuck off, or just kills him in the confusion. There you go. That's your dumb fucking ending. Glen will cry so hard, gonna be great.

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[Raist]

http://www.twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1128110196184711169

A few years from now:



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[Himu]

Here's what I WANT to happen:

It will end with Jon lopping off Dany's head. "Whoever passes judgement must swing the sword." He will have a kingdom of ashes, burnt countryside, and killed the queen he was loyal to. There must be SOMETHING glorious to happen. Otherwise why make a Song about it?

Here's what I THINK will happen:

Dany will rule in fear. Jon will be exiled to beyond the wall because of their history. She will execute Sansa and probably burn Winterfell to the ground. She gains the throne but never knows love ever again and lives only through fear, skulls, fire, and blood.

TBH, I am beyond excited for the ending. Not only will we finally be free from GRRM, it's for the first time watching the show I'll be not be able to predict the overall story beats. What happens AFTER the Mad Queen ascension? I have no fucking clue and that excites me. I have no idea what's going to happen.

[Cerveza mas fina]

There is no way Dany becomes the queen

[Kara]

Having rewatched the episode, got to say that book fans are reaching really hard when they say that this episode is the return of TRUE GEORGE R.U.SRS MARTIN WRITING. A dragon (i.e. an obvious analogue to a modern day weapon of war) indiscriminately destroying the virtuous and the iniquitous alike along with a grand city that's been around a couple hundred years is about as obviously Tolkien "modern day bad, idealized pastoral world that never existed anywhere but my imagination good" as you can get. J.R.R. Tolkien mercks yet another charlatan and his coterie.

Also, obviously the Dany thing is the object of much well-earned Schadenfreude, but let's give it up to Arya Failstark for absolutely cracking under pressure, turning tail then running away yet again when there's a large urban disturbance in King's Landing. Not today, amirite Syrio? 8 fucking seasons we've had a god awful Joss Whedon subplot about a Failstark becoming an elite assassin and she just shits the bed in overtime of game 7. This season is already salvaged by virtue of this alone. Hopefully she rides up north and ropes Sansa into doing an epic fail girl.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Arya will def play a big part in the last episode.

[Kara]

[Cerveza mas fina]

Without Dany the white walkers would have overrun Westeros.

Everything is going according to the prophecy

[Raist]

Without her they wouldn't have got past the wall tho.

[Himu]

Having rewatched the episode, got to say that book fans are reaching really hard when they say that this episode is the return of TRUE GEORGE R.U.SRS MARTIN WRITING. A dragon (i.e. an obvious analogue to a modern day weapon of war) indiscriminately destroying the virtuous and the iniquitous alike along with a grand city that's been around a couple hundred years is about as obviously Tolkien "modern day bad, idealized pastoral world that never existed anywhere but my imagination good" as you can get. J.R.R. Tolkien mercks yet another charlatan and his coterie.

One helluva reach.

George is a conscientious objector the vietnam war. The entire point is the cruelty and nature of man, which is ASOIAF 101.  If you thought this had anything to do with the city and not the people you have weird priorities.

[MMaRsu]

I don't think you need to be like "there were no signs she'd go crazy". They were obviously there. BUT. I do think it's a bit like
Khal Drogo and baby dead? Killed the woman responsible
New husband betrays her?  Eh
2 dragons die? Small grimmace
Ser Friendzone dies right in front of her. She mourns a few minutes.
Translator dies (Which frankly was Dany's own fault)? BURN EVERYTHING DOWN!!!

Don't necessarily think it's being nit picky to be like "That's some shitty writing"

But Missandei dying was just icing on the proverbial cake

[MMaRsu]

My extended thoughts since I'm bored.  Keep in mind my aforementioned attitude towards entertainment;  I generally prefer to TRY TO enjoy things, while I occasionally also enjoy having a hate-boner for stuff (The Quiet Place) I prefer overlooking things or head canon-ing things to keep things positive and entertaining.   Me being entertained by something is not an endorsement of the quality of the writing of something.

- First off, I'm one of the only people who seems fine with Jamie's arc and don't think they went against the characterization or anything.  He never really stopped being a Cersei boot-licker, he was still gathering armies for her like 3 episodes ago and only went AWOL because he believed in the threat of the undead.  His arc was to "become a better man", and he did.. but he never could "get over" Cersei, even when faced with the fact she hired someone to kill him.  That's not shocking to me and it's not some heel turn.  Also the boring as fuck Frog prophecy is not in the show so get over it book readers; I get the idea of vague prophecies / mysteries being entertaining but that prophecy was hardly some potential "whodunit" (or whosgonnadoit.)  I'll admit it was slightly jarring when he left Winterfell and they set it up like he was going to join Cersei but after putting thought into it I knew he wasn't planning to betray her like everyone thought.    People claiming he didn't even have an arc are ignoring like.. the entire story.
 
- Euron killing the dragon and destroying the fleet in 10 seconds in the last episode will never not be dumb.  The only way to make any sense out of the disparity between last episode Euron and this episode Euron is if the way he killed the dragon was via surprise attack.  The scene was not pulled off well, and it was not believable that he surprised her let alone land several shots in succession vs. yesterdays episode where they were bumbling idiots who could barely get a shot off I'm still gonna go with "In one instance he surprised her, in the other she knew he was there" as the "why" that happened and just  laugh at the scene.   As it stands I'm fine with Dany being able to destroy the shit out of him, he just shouldn't have been so OP in the previous episode (that includes being able to destroy an entire fleet of ships instantly lol)

- I do like where they went with Jon and Dany and the paranoia it caused her.  That was also the one thing they did well from the previous episode showing her isolated from everyone and everyone feeling Jon more than her.  It's also interesting to note that had Sansa not betrayed Jon, she may never have gone off the deep end.  She was already paranoid obviously but the real trigger of her going crazy / not sleeping or eating, etc. was the fact the secret got out.

- Gurl you need some concealer, stat.

- I'll say it again the writers claiming Dany "snapped" while in the air above KL and didn't actually plan to burn down everyone is stupid;  when I saw the episode I figured she had at least contemplated that act, and was wrestling with it a bit before making a final decision.. which fits the story since she repeatedly threatened to do exactly what she did and it also fits her "Fear it is" statement.  This idea that she was planning on letting them surrender but totally snapped is dumb, but luckily they never actually say that in the show so fuck the writers lol

- My biggest gripe in general is just WTF they did with Tyrion.. he's just been fucking up non stop, being incredibly naive, etc. for ages now.    However I did love the final scene with him and Jamie, very well done.

-  The Hound stuff was predictable fan service but I liked it, not much else to say

- Grey Worm WHEW.. that was some fucked up shit.. very powerful to watch, I'm curious to see if he'll be having guilty feelings next episode or if he's just a revenge driven maniac now. 

- Arya, I'm whatever on her.. I'm fine with her being an OP ninja, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.   I hope she doesn't have too much to do in the final episode, like perhaps this episode will be more of a wake-up call for her than yet another "I need revenge" scenario, but we'll see.   I thought maybe her trying to save that mother and child would cause her to think she needs to settle down (alone with her choosing to live over choosing to go after Cersei) but they also might go with "the mother and child are a setup for her anger / revenge against Dany."

- Like Cindi said watching Jon's world crumble around him seeing Dany go cray was also powerful

In the end that was one fucked up and pretty incredible hour and a half of television.   There's plenty to nit-pick (no scorpions protecting the tower, Dany could have just air-dropped on them, etc. ,blah blah) but in the moment they managed to wow me.   Some of you really suck at enjoying things and come across like angry depressed mofos, seriously.

Great post. Yeah it was her dragons dying, missandei dead, jorah dead, betrayed by Varys and Jon. Then when she asked Jon is that all I am to you? Jon didnt wanna do no more incest so that made her angry as well. "Fear it is" she says, basically saying she will rather through fear instead of love.

[Brehvolution]

Predictions for the last episode:

Everyone's on the stage waiting for Dany to address the crowds.
Sansa stabs Dany in the back causing the dragon to rage.
Dragon bathes the stage with fire killing everyone.
No Starks. No Lanisters. No Targaryans.
The people rule themselves.
Fin

[TEEEPO]

i like the idea of there being a lesson on prophecies and saviors amounting to shit and having the show end with a tyrannical dany sitting on the throne leaving the dothraki and drogon to freely raid and pillage the seven kingdoms as they see fit. a time skip will seemingly seem appropriate to really emphasize how shitty of a queen she'll be

[agrajag]

You know, Arya could have very easily have killed Cersei if she came with The Hound. With enough time to spare to quickly stab her, gloat a little and get out of dodge before the buildings start collapsing.

[Great Rumbler]

[BobFromPikeCreek]

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[MMaRsu]

ZzzZzz more boring memes ZzzZzz

[Himu]

It's funny because his face. You can tell his reaction by looking at his face. Knowing of the original meme is irrelevant.

How have you posted on gaf and here without seeing