Sales Bore | Media Create And Other Sale Numbers |OT|

[maxy]

Haha, the market for consoles is absolutely not growing.  Yes, this generation sold more consoles than the last, but divide the total by years and it looks a lot less pretty.  That's not even talking about software.

Can you say anything about US software PS2 vs 360,PS3,Wii ?

[archnemesis]

You make a mistake in thinking that next-gen consoles is my platform of choice.

If this truly is the last console generation (I don't believe that either) then it's going to run longer than the previous generations. With the market focusing on tablets, smart TVs and smartphones you're not going to see the same rapid evolution of processing power and computationally intensive games. The 720/PS4 could very well last for a decade and that will give them enough time to outsell the current iterations of hardware.

[archnemesis]

Going for long generations is probably necessary when you're selling heavily subsidized hardware. Neither Sony or Microsoft are going to push for the 9th generation unless they absolutely have to. I'm anticipating Apple TV, Google, Samsung, Ouya and a few other companies to try to get in on the console market this and next year which will hopefully halt the graphics arms race.

Where are EA, Activision, and Ubisoft going to go if the home console market fails? Nintendo aren't going to provide powerful enough hardware, and the PC market is more crowded and ripe with piracy. If the PS4 launches at a more acceptable price than last time then I believe it's going to do quite well. Same with Xbox 8.

[maxy]

Haha, the market for consoles is absolutely not growing.  Yes, this generation sold more consoles than the last, but divide the total by years and it looks a lot less pretty.  That's not even talking about software.

Can you say anything about US software PS2 vs 360,PS3,Wii ?

Nintendo's stuff was crazy balls this gen but I think we can all agree that train has sailed.  CoD did somewhat better than GTA, most everything else did worse than equally-ranked PS2 games. The US market is up a bit, but not enough to make up for the vanished JP console market and the shrunken Euro market.

Thx.

Not sure how Europe will do next gen(probably contract even more) but Japan moving away from consoles will certainly not help consoles in the West.

[tiesto]

I could definitely see Wii U being their last console.  Nintendo clearly doesn't feel like competing against Sony and Microsoft yet probably can't think of a good enough gimmick to try to overcome the power gap.  Instead I could see that the 4DS can plug into the TV instead.  Then Nintendo can treat that as both the next handheld and next console for them.  However, I don't see any real benefit for Nintendo to make Durango and PS4 games.

Porting some of their NES games to iOS and Android would probably be a pretty good source of revenue for them as well.  I'm sure Super Mario Bros. would sell millions of copies if not tens of millions.

What I want out of Nintendo is a powerful (~WiiU level) handheld that comes in 2 sizes - either a tablet (WiiU controller) or handheld (DS) size... all the hardware is localized to the handheld, but you can also buy for ~$50 a "base" that plugs into the TV via HDMI that you can stream the handheld to. Basically, the reverse of the WiiU concept. (and this way, you don't have to worry about a wired connection to the TV via one long HDMI cable the way you do with the later PSP revisions).

[Human Snorenado]

You don't think the next generation is going to last as long as this one? The new systems might sell at a slower pace, but I wouldn't be surprised if the LTD ends up higher than the current gen.

It's going to go on indefinitely, because it's going to be the last generation.

[Positive Touch]

What I want out of Nintendo is a powerful (~WiiU level) handheld that comes in 2 sizes - either a tablet (WiiU controller) or handheld (DS) size... all the hardware is localized to the handheld, but you can also buy for ~$50 a "base" that plugs into the TV via HDMI that you can stream the handheld to. Basically, the reverse of the WiiU concept. (and this way, you don't have to worry about a wired connection to the TV via one long HDMI cable the way you do with the later PSP revisions).

in other words, an ipad for kids. which is what nintendo SHOULD have done this gen.

It's going to go on indefinitely, because it's going to be the last generation.

lol at all u dramafreaks acting like no one will be ready to swoop in with a new console/business model to replace whatever we have if it fails. consumers want videogames, but the businesses are selling it to them in all the wrong ways right now.

[Positive Touch]

i think theres at least some sort of balance between a games budget and its pricing that can be found that will work better than what we have nowadays. spending tens of millions of dollars and 2-3 years dev time on a crapshoot isnt sustainable, and neither is churning out ios titles and f2p games. making products that wont make you kroke are something something i cant concentrate on finishing this thought

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nobody knows what the hell will be going on 5-10 years from now.  Going to a cloud based service might end up hastening the decline.  Like I said, I'm pretty sure it will wipe out the Xbox brand but at that point, maybe Microsoft isn't going to give a shit.

[Fifstar]

Yeah the market and the technical circumstances have changed so much over the last years that extrapolating from the past seems pretty useless. Casuals and more importantly people that are somewhere between casual and core gamer moving to cheap games on mobile devices is probably the trend that spells the most doom and gloom for the coming generation.

[archnemesis]

Consumers do want video games.  Luckily, video games are provided on their browsers, phones, and tablets at a fraction of the cost of console games.

Tablet gaming is adequate for a lot of people, but it's still far from providing the same experiences that enthusiasts get from their consoles. When was the last time you heard of someone ditching Call of Duty for Modern Combat just because it was cheaper? If you for instance look at the the Top 40 Entertainment UK list that was released yesterday you'll see that most of the popular games on it would be very difficult to adapt to phones/tablets. Advanced browser games could easily work from a technical perspective, but projects like Quake Live never really caught on in popularity.

[Fifstar]

Yeah many games are difficult to adapt but a lot of the semi casual gamers that buy one or two games will make decision if they want a console that plays advanced games or a tablet that might not be perfect for games but provides a lot of other additional entertainment. Not everybody that might theoretically be interested in a proper game once in a while will make the investment towards it, because even more other forms of entertainment than before battle for his attention.

[archnemesis]

That might be the part where I don't agree with most analysts. I think smartphones and tablets are going to replace desktops, laptops, and portable consoles. Home consoles will survive since there is 1) a demand for games that not be found on other platforms and 2) a lot of companies have a large stake in the market. It's not only Microsoft and Sony that have an interest in their platforms. Publishers and developers also need home consoles in the future if they want to continue with their current line of work.

[archnemesis]

Your calculation is assuming that there is a perfect overlap between the popular console franchises. The Call of Duty audience is largely separate from the FIFA audience and the Gran Turismo audience. If you add these together you'll have enough customers to continue to sustain a home console market. I don't doubt that a lot of developers will continue to disappear when there isn't enough money for ten different Call of Duty clones, but the popular franchises will live on for another generation without much trouble.

[benjipwns]

That's sustainable to justify the existence of the consoles, but it's not inherently enough to provide a mass base of users to justify every title and genre on those platforms.

Even though they're still on consoles, look at the shift to handhelds as primary platform for lots of the "Japanophile" set over the last generation. And then there's the genres fleeing back to the PC or heading to phones after taking another shot at consoles this gen. If some of them sustain on consoles it'll be XBLA/PSN type stuff.

[archnemesis]

Let's switch focus for a bit. What's your take on the smartphone/tablet market? Are you expecting the F2P with IAP bubble to burst? Will offering $0.99 games prevent people from wanting to spend more money on more expensive games? Even though the most popular titles rake in an ungodly amount of money, I get the impression that it's much more difficult to predict what games will become popular. Will large companies like Zynga, PopCap, and Rovio, be forced to buy up indie successes when their internal products fail to meet the same success as their predecessors?

[benjipwns]

I think they're already sorta doing that.

The thing about the smartphone/tablet market is just that it finally provides yet another outlet for games. And it has the advantage of selling to a device people already own in most cases.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't see any of this everything smartphone/everything motion control/one-console future lots of people like to envision but more of a market no longer constrained to a couple platforms by near fiat. Hardcore gamers hate it because they want everything but many people seem fine with the games available on their platform as long as there are enough. And most of the hardcore buy everything anyway.

I can easily envision someone having a Call of Duty/Madden box but spending more time and dollars over the same period on some other platform like a smartphone. Maybe because I know these people already.

[maxy]

MC sales

Vita   63,581
3DS LL   39,801
3DS   21,207
PS3   19,567
PSP   18,023
Wii U   9,454
Wii   1,363
Xbox 360   738

SS: regular = 92k; double pack = 22k.

01./00. [PS3] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva f <ACT> (Sega) {2013.03.07} (¥7.329) - 110.229 / NEW
02./00. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.03.07} (¥5.980) - 92.396 / NEW
03./00. [PSP] Uta no Prince-Sama: All Star # <ACT> (Broccoli) {2013.03.07} (¥6.090) - 67.217 / NEW
04./05. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 63.285 / 2.802.940 (-14%)
05./00. [PSV] Tales of Hearts R # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.07} (¥6.480) - 55.258 / NEW
06./01. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 8 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.02.28} (¥7.560) - 46.866 / 250.090 (-77%)
07./00. [PS3] Far Cry 3 <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.03.07} (¥7.770) - 33.281 / NEW
08./02. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Legacy of Civilization A <ADV> (Level 5) {2013.02.28} (¥5.500) - 30.078 / 160.764 (-77%)
09./10. [3DS] Dragon Quest VII: Fighters of Eden <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.02.07} (¥6.090) - 24.045 / 1.159.265 (-49%)
10./00. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice: "United Front" Double Pack <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.03.07} (¥7.980) - 22.050 / NEW
11./04. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.02.28} (¥5.800) - 21.915 / 110.302 (-75%)
12./08. [PS3] Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance # <ACT> (Konami) {2013.02.21} (¥6.980) - 17.833 / 386.908 (-70%)
13./03. [PSV] Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus: Otome Shoujotachi no Shoumei # <ACT> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.02.28} (¥6.980) - 17.138 / 111.461 (-82%)
14./00. [3DS] Doraemon: Nobita to Himitsu Dougu Hakubutsukan <ETC> (FuRyu) {2013.03.07} (¥5.229) - 12.768 / NEW
15./07. [PSV] Phantasy Star Online 2: Special Package <RPG> (Sega) {2013.02.28} (¥5.229) - 10.031 / 71.258 (-84%)
16./00. [PS3] Crysis 3 <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2013.03.07} (¥7.665) - 9.602 / NEW
17./06. [PS3] Macross 30: Ginga o Tsunagu Utagoe # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.02.28} (¥8.380) - 9.294 / 72.383 (-85%)
18./09. [PSP] Shining Ark <RPG> (Sega) {2013.02.28} (¥6.279) - 9.161 / 63.999 (-83%)
19./13. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 8.452 / 1.950.816 (-17%)
20./14. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 8.096 / 252.737 (-12%)

[Momo]

Wii U   9,454 :deadmanny

[Joe Molotov]

Come on NA release of Project Diva! 

[Diunx]

How is metal gear rising doing?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I hope the Vita reigns surpreme forever now. The nin tears will be great.

[mjemirzian]

I knew Vita still had some fight left in it (in Japan at least).

But yeah there's no denying that the market for dedicated gaming machines is shrinking. I see the future of handheld gaming turning to android smartphones w/ controller attachments. Aren't Sony's smartphones being trounced by Samsung and Apple?

[tiesto]

Come on NA release of Project Diva! 

Hell yeah, really hope I can get some HD Luka rhythm-game action!

[Mr. Gundam]

How is metal gear rising doing?

12./08. [PS3] Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance # <ACT> (Konami) {2013.02.21} (¥6.980) - 17.833 / 386.908 (-70%)

[Don Flamenco]

Playstation Family on top again 

5 Vita games in the top 20 

it's only 2 weeks in a row, but this is how the comeback starts

Why do you guys think Andrex left a while ago?  It's like how animals can pick up on natural disasters way before humans and bail out.

[hampster]

Why do you guys think Andrex left a while ago?  It's like how animals can pick up on natural disasters way before humans and bail out.

Vita's comeback



Kuja

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Not saying he's a rat, just joking around I played through this part the other day

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[Mr. Gundam]

I like the idea of games (One Piece KM2, Gundam Breaker, etc.) getting PS3/Vita simultaneous releases, but that's because I have zero interest in getting a Vita. Probably doesn't help the Vita.

[Don Flamenco]

Not bad, but that's pretty much it for notable software for the foreseeable future.

Andrex left because Lager is so dumb it's physically painful.  He might have returned already but I tried to talk him out of it.

yep, board drama is pretty ghey...

but hopefully devs see this little blip as a call for some games on the damn thing. 

[Purple Filth]

Enjoy dat second week Vita fans 

[maxy]

April 30th, $19.99


interesting

[Trent Dole]

Come on NA release of Project Diva! 

Hell yeah, really hope I can get some HD Luka rhythm-game action!

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/13/yes-that-hatsune-miku-project-diva-f-facebook-banner-actually-matters/
SoA PR says they're 'gauging interest' but since SoJ have supposedly lamented how much the game has cost them and it's supposedly not made enough for them to continue the series prior to the PS3 release I kind of doubt that they'd not do it and try to pull some funds in off of international interest. If they don't bring it out over here I will at them lots.

[Purple Filth]

Taken from the Wii U deadpool thread

In a research note to investors today, Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter said that he believes Nintendo sold just 80,000 Wii U units in February -- the same number of original Wii units that sold. What's worse, the Wii U's sales were about half of the 165,000 PlayStation 3 units sold last month and far behind the Xbox 360's 225,000 unit sales, according to Pachter.

IIRC Pachter's guess numbers are usually higher than the real number NPD gives so this is gonna be interesting.

[Beezy]

http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Minecraft_FOB_v1.4-735x1024.jpg

April 30th, $19.99


interesting

Smart. I should get this for my nephew. He loves Minecraft on PC and recently got a 4GB 360.

[AdmiralViscen]

Not bad, but that's pretty much it for notable software for the foreseeable future.

Andrex left because Lager is so dumb it's physically painful.  He might have returned already but I tried to talk him out of it.

He left because of Lager

[mjemirzian]

I think people would be more understanding if he declared he was no longer a fanboy and wasn't going to speak on things he doesn't understand or use "actual" in every other sentence. Seems like he might have been trying to change for the better but people kept hounding his posts.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm still here.  I just put him on ignore.  Better for everyone that way; I have a hard time not yelling at stupid people.

[AdmiralViscen]

I just mean that Lager is easy to ignore

[Human Snorenado]

*shrugs*

I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who asked not to be treated like a stereotype but acted like a stereotype.  Granted yeah he's not as bad as your average gaffer, but still...

[Steve Contra]

*shrugs*

I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who asked not to be treated like a stereotype but acted like a stereotype.  Granted yeah he's not as bad as your average gaffer, but still...

Remember when Crushed was an awful stereotype and then turned awesome when it wasn't working for him?  I miss Crushed  :'(

[Human Snorenado]

*shrugs*

I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who asked not to be treated like a stereotype but acted like a stereotype.  Granted yeah he's not as bad as your average gaffer, but still...

Remember when Crushed was an awful stereotype and then turned awesome when it wasn't working for him?  I miss Crushed  :'(

Same.  Crushed seemed to really get the bore, shame he's gone.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Crushed

Special Snowflakes

Andrex lurks here all the time too.  I hope if he does return, he doesn't do the whole "I was busy and that was the real reason why I left!" bit.

[Phoenix Dark]

*shrugs*

I have a hard time feeling bad for someone who asked not to be treated like a stereotype but acted like a stereotype.  Granted yeah he's not as bad as your average gaffer, but still...

Remember when Crushed was an awful stereotype and then turned awesome when it wasn't working for him?  I miss Crushed  :'(

Same.  Crushed seemed to really get the bore, shame he's gone.

:orly

[Shaka Khan]

It feels like we've had this conversation many times by now. How about ya'll bitches just get over it. Everyone is welcome to post, take a break, come back, or never show up again. As long as they keep it to themselves. I ain't shedding more tears for nobody.

[Shaka Khan]

*Awkward silence*

[Shaka Khan]

You know I love you all. Now let's go back to talking numbers. 

[Great Rumbler]

[Trent Dole]

It'll be nice when there's more games worth talking about than numbers (and how they keep getting smaller.) Roll on next-gen, which I won't join for a year or three, haha.

[Shaka Khan]

In the context of Vita's userbase and current sale, what would be a pretty respectable LTD number for SS, a resultant of showing *some* legs?

I mean with 104k as a start, even if it surprises everyone with softer drops, it can't go that far... let alone inspire confidence in any skeptic pub/dev.

[Huff]

think his name on the game got them any sales or recognition?

[Shaka Khan]

think his name on the game got them any sales or recognition?

I don't think so, but that won't stop him for swooping in to take some unearned credit.

[Huff]

think his name on the game got them any sales or recognition?

I don't think so, but that won't stop him for swooping in to take some unearned credit.

I don't blame him, I try to take unearned credit all the time about anything

[Momo]

Who's in the top 5 bad posters anyway? Lager has never bothered me, then again not even Methodis has. I see past his shenanigans  as shenanigans and just reply with humour.

[Momo]

Eh, I guess any list would be pretty subjective anyway. So about that Patcher WiiU NPD number, has the actual NPD come out yet?

[maxy]

in about 12 17 hours for ordinary peasants

little earlier for subscribers

Edit:small mistake corrected 

[Shaka Khan]

Who's in the top 5 bad posters anyway? Lager has never bothered me, then again not even Methodis has. I see past his shenanigans  as shenanigans and just reply with humour.

We've got so few active posters that the lists overlap-- third best poster is probably fifth worst.

[maxy]

Remember that 3D glasses free lawsuit against Nintendo?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/us-nintendo-patent-infringement-idUSBRE92C1DA20130313

(Reuters) - A federal jury in New York on Wednesday found that video game company Nintendo Co infringed an inventor's 3-D display technology patent with its handheld 3DS videogame system.

The jury awarded the inventor, Seijiro Tomita, $30.2 million in compensatory damages.

[maxy]

Some interesting numbers

http://www.shacknews.com/article/78207/xbox-360-primarily-used-for-gaming-ps3-used-mostly-for



But I thought 360 owners just stare at ads.Wii is a streaming box naturally.

[archnemesis]

The figure would be far more interesting if it showed hours instead of a percentage. We know that the PS3 is the most popular system for Netflix, but I haven't seen any stats showing how much people use their systems for gaming.

[maxy]

Sure,but multiple years give you the most important thing---trends.