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[Great Rumbler]

Console gaming is dead, long live console gaming.

It's just nerves, nothing more.

[Himu]

Oscar never said that next Gen would be a disaster. Oscar always conceded he could be wrong. He's just throwing in how he thinks things could go. There were a lot of ideas as to why hardware wasn't selling as well and Oscars guesses are as good as any. Also, a big launch doesn't mean much. Though it certainly means something it doesn't mean everything.

[Great Rumbler]

And it's probably not a good idea to take too much away from the first month, or even the first few months. There's still a lot of people out there that are crazy for AAA console gaming and shiny new tech. If it's still rolling along like this a year from now, though? Yeah, that would be a good indication that console gaming is going to stick around for a while longer.

[Phoenix Dark]

WiiU sold 1.4m in NA this year. Ouch.

It's over for them. They had a great one year window to establish themselves in. Really makes me wonder if they would have been better off launching the console this holiday season instead of last year. $300 October launch with Mario 3D World, Pikmin, CoD (lol I know) as launch titles plus Mario Kart for December. And at least 50 VC titles.

[maxy]

Console gaming is dead, long live console gaming.

The only surprise is that Sony managed to deliver 1 million units to US on day one,production lines must be fuming.Console launches are like most games launches,heavily frontloaded.We are talking about videogame nerds,not mass market.
WiiU was sold out too(400k first week,425k November NPD).

This is certainly a good thing,but we don't know the most important thing---software distribution.The real question is---will PS4 and Xbone be strong enough to stop rapid software sales decline or at least give a glimmer of hope for the future?

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Except for the Wii U (lol), every system usually sells out.  It's after the first five million hardware units where the real test begins.  Furthermore for this genreation, you need a large userbase who buys shitloads of games in order to justify the gargantuan budgets that games like Titanfall will have.  The PS4 and Xbone are going to have to sell like the Wii during the fad years with 360 software attachment rates to make this generation work.  I hope it does since I don't want anyone to lose their job but we'll see what happens.

[AdmiralViscen]

Wii u never sold out

[Tasty]

Wii u never sold out

No, but Nintendo sold out.

To the casuals.

[maxy]

Wii u never sold out

I could be wrong but I seem to remember some shortage talk(after first week or so).November NPD(425k) was week after Nintendo PR(400k).
December was 600k something.

400k something

[Shaka Khan]

XB1 will probably do half of that in all of November.

For 2013, Xbone will sell in NA whatever they end up shipping. Which is why we won't get a clear picture of the demand for the first couple of months. For all we know demand for PS4 in NA can crater while brand image carry the xbone among tween twats.

[cool breeze]

yeah, launch numbers don't say much.  my only guess is that dead rising 3 will be the best selling exclusive between the two consoles

but March should be interesting.  at least in these early months it's the first time xbone will have an advantage with titanfall.

[thisismyusername]

Wii u never sold out

No, but Nintendo sold out.

To the casuals.

I'll give you a pity like simply because I laughed and then felt bad because I know you're feeling pain while saying that.

[maxy]

WiiU sold 1.4m in NA this year. Ouch.

It's over for them. They had a great one year window to establish themselves in. Really makes me wonder if they would have been better off launching the console this holiday season instead of last year. $300 October launch with Mario 3D World, Pikmin, CoD (lol I know) as launch titles plus Mario Kart for December. And at least 50 VC titles.

Things would be even worse.

My little theory...*short version*

I think that Wii has caused major Nintendo core fanbase erosion.

Casuals?
Confusing marketing,smartphones and tablets took care of them.WiiU fanbase =Nintendo fans that play everything else on other systems

Fix?
Go back in time and c/p Sony.

[MCD]

Fix = get their handheld fanbase into buying their console by merging the two. Wii U should be a docking station to the 3DS.

[Smooth Groove]

[maxy]

Fix = get their handheld fanbase into buying their console by merging the two. Wii U should be a docking station to the 3DS.

Interesting idea,but you are talking about merging two very different worlds.

[cool breeze]

Most people have the same idea.  Nintendo got the Wii U backward.  Nintendo should learn from the Sega Nomad and make its next handheld a portable Wii U: The Nintendo Umad

[AdmiralViscen]

Wii u never sold out

I could be wrong but I seem to remember some shortage talk(after first week or so).November NPD(425k) was week after Nintendo PR(400k).
December was 600k something.

400k something

If you pull up the original Wii U thread you will see this same talking point shot down in November 2012 with links to Target.com, walmart.com, gamestop.com, bestbuy.com all in stock. It never happened.

[Himu]

How do I know this war is over? Because Xbox One doesn't have a Groupon coupon.

[Phoenix Dark]

WiiU sold 1.4m in NA this year. Ouch.

It's over for them. They had a great one year window to establish themselves in. Really makes me wonder if they would have been better off launching the console this holiday season instead of last year. $300 October launch with Mario 3D World, Pikmin, CoD (lol I know) as launch titles plus Mario Kart for December. And at least 50 VC titles.

Things would be even worse.

My little theory...*short version*

I think that Wii has caused major Nintendo core fanbase erosion.

Casuals?
Confusing marketing,smartphones and tablets took care of them.WiiU fanbase =Nintendo fans that play everything else on other systems

Fix?
Go back in time and c/p Sony.

You're probably right. Nintendo is stuck with a problem they created for three generations: nerds only buying Nintendo games. But

The faster they shitcan the WiiU, the faster they can rebound with a better console. Get rid of the game pad and use that $100-200 to upgrade the CPU/graphics. Full VC support, 3DS compatibility. Launch with SSB and Zelda.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I think Nintendo's console days are almost done.  I'm not saying going third party.  I think the Wii U 2, if one ever gets made, should be like an Apple TV that happens to play Nintendo games.  It would be a cheap media set top box that would sell for $150-200.  It would be a standard controller with no gimmicks.  There will still be a generation gap but without the stupid premium Nintendo thinks they can charge on their consoles.  The DS/Wii model of low end hardware with a gimmick sold at a premium price is dead.  The 2DS is a realization of that fact.

[Tasty]

Wii u never sold out

No, but Nintendo sold out.

To the casuals.

I'll give you a pity like simply because I laughed and then felt bad because I know you're feeling pain while saying that.

No pain at all. Maybe I would have been sore five years ago.

[maxy]

Wii u never sold out

I could be wrong but I seem to remember some shortage talk(after first week or so).November NPD(425k) was week after Nintendo PR(400k).
December was 600k something.

400k something

If you pull up the original Wii U thread you will see this same talking point shot down in November 2012 with links to Target.com, walmart.com, gamestop.com, bestbuy.com all in stock. It never happened.

Yeah,you are right.Sold out was just a PR thing...

 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nintards reported that since their local Walmart or Target didn't have them in stock, therefore it was sold out nationwide.

I made a nice profit selling my launch Wii U so I can't complain.  It was funny seeing fully stocked Wii U shelves in the middle of December.

[maxy]

It looks like Xboner sold 2x360(140k) launch in UK.Forza is the best selling exclusive,Fifa the best selling game.

PSP still remains UK launch record holder.

1.PSP(185k)
2.PS3(165k)
3.XO(140k)

[archnemesis]

The PS4 is severely supply constrained in Sweden. I pre-ordered one in August and that wasn't early enough to be guaranteed a system before Christmas. This year Sony will sell out whatever they manage to produce, but that might not be enough to beat those records.

[radioheadrule83]

Nintards reported that since their local Walmart or Target didn't have them in stock, therefore it was sold out nationwide.

I made a nice profit selling my launch Wii U so I can't complain.  It was funny seeing fully stocked Wii U shelves in the middle of December.

The UK situation was a real bellwether warning for how bad the next year was going to be. They shipped fewer consoles to the whole of Europe than they had previously shipped Wiis and Gamecubes at launch to the UK. They KNEW they weren't ready and hadn't whipped up the requisite hype, and shipped a low amount, and there were STILL systems on shelves a few weeks after launch. It didn't actually feel like a console launch at all... marketing was non-existent. Its like the austerity that was plaguing the world was also manifesting in Nintendo's conservatism.

To contrast, I've seen a lot of Sony and Microsoft product placement / advertising. Xbox are absolutely kicking ass on UK TV, the advert placement has been quite genius - placed in the breaks of huge shows, sometimes with multiple ads together in the same break... Sony have just started airing their '4theplayers' ads and are pushing PS3 heavily during their big football ad break slots and stuff (which perhaps says something about what they think us povvos in the UK can actually afford)

[maxy]

Microsoft’s Xbox One sold around 150k units in its first 48 hours in the UK, MCV understands.

Chart-Track this morning confirmed that Xbox One doubled the week one UK sales of its predecessor Xbox 360, which was launched worldwide in 2005.

Numbers released the week after Xbox 360’s launch showed that the console sold 70k in the UK in the same period, although MCV has since been informed that the Xbox One number is in fact slightly over double this.

Perhaps more tellingly this means that Xbox One is, according to the same source, now just a few thousand units short of beating the Wii U’s total UK sales accrued since its release a year ago this week.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-one-sells-150k-units-in-first-week-in-uk/0124857

 

[Stoney Mason]

Reading those Nintendo fanboy posts in threads like these over at GAF is really amazing.

I've never cared for sales as a measure of dick waving. Inherently I don't really care what console sells the most or what games sell the most. Sales are simply a tool to understand the market and why decisions are made and why resources are allocated the way they are. But these people can't separate that viewpoint from the viewpoint of rooting for their favorite football team. So its all anger, and tears, and salt.

[Himu]

So we know 150k of the 1m xboner sales are UK. Any predictions for USA and Canada?

[maxy]

Stolen from duckroll

It has finally happened. The epic conclusion to Lightning's saga launched in Japan last week and the first week sales are in. The results are disastrous, showing another 50% drop from the already low launch sales of previous entry.

http://www.4gamer.net/games/117/G011794/20131127061/

Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) - 277,082

Comparison of launch week sales for the FFXIII series:

2009: Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) - 1,501,964
2011: Final Fantasy XIII-2 (PS3) - 524,217
2013: Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) - 277,082

DAT DECLINE.

 

Smartphone future

Media Create Sales: Week 47, 2013 (Nov 18 - Nov 24)

01./00. [PS3] Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.11.21} (Ą7.770) - 277.082 / NEW
02./00. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (Ą5.985) - 99.588 / NEW
03./00. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World Red # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (Ą5.980) - 83.605 / NEW
04./05. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (Ą4.800) - 72.932 / 3.002.738 (-12%)
05./00. [3DS] Aikatsu! 2-nin no My Princess <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (Ą5.480) - 72.087 / NEW
06./01. [PSV] God Eater 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.14} (Ą5.980) - 39.052 / 305.378 (-85%)
07./03. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (Ą7.980) - 35.879 / 187.678 (-76%)
08./02. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (Ą7.980) - 29.252 / 219.883 (-85%)
09./07. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (Ą5.990) - 21.120 / 2.959.789 (-20%)
10./00. [PSP] God Eater 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.14} (Ą5.980) - 20.508 / 132.531
11./00. [PS3] Monster Hunter Frontier G: Beginner's Package <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.11.20} (Ą6.090) - 19.334 / NEW
12./00. [WIU] Taiko no Tatsujin: Wii U Version! # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (Ą5.480) - 19.265 / NEW
13./00. [PSV] New Atelier Rorona: Hajimari no Monogatari - The Alchemist of Arland # <RPG> (Gust) {2013.11.21} (Ą6.090) - 17.536 / NEW
14./00. [PS3] New Atelier Rorona: Hajimari no Monogatari - The Alchemist of Arland # <RPG> (Gust) {2013.11.21} (Ą7.140) - 14.060 / NEW
15./09. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2013.10.10} (Ą7.770) - 13.548 / 593.370 (-33%)
16./06. [3DS] Daigasso! Band Brothers P <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.14} (Ą4.800) - 12.635 / 52.831 (-69%)
17./12. [PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.10.24} (Ą3.980) - 9.485 / 190.659 (-30%)
18./10. [PS3] Battlefield 4 <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2013.11.07} (Ą7.665) - 9.134 / 150.124 (-53%)
19./11. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (Ą3.980) - 7.624 / 24.600 (-55%)
20./16. [3DS] Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Densetsu no Shinobi no Survival Battle! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.10.17} (Ą4.980) - 7.046 / 102.350 (-12%)

FAMITSU HARDWARE SALES, WEEK 47, 2013 (November 18th - November 24th):

3DS - 70,912
PSV - 32,138
WIU - 20,177
PS3 - 12,106
PSP - 3,296
WII - 813
360 - 385

What have you people done to Oscar?

MC

    PSP GO   VITA TV
w1  29,109    42,172
w2  13,992     7,868

VitaTV

[radioheadrule83]

There will either be no significant market for PS4 to sell to in February, or it'll fly out the floodgates as something people are actually excited about for once. It's hard to tell...

I think anyone who released anything this week will basically be disappointed.

[Great Rumbler]

XIII-3 would have sold three time that amount if S-E had been smart enough to release it on the 3DS.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

3D World did shitty with a minor bump in HW

[Great Rumbler]

3D World did shitty with a minor bump in HW

It'll hang around in the top 20 for a long time, though. XIII-3 will probably be gone by the third week.

[magus]

honestly i'm happy to see both games bomb

[Tasty]

honestly i'm happy to see both games bomb

[radioheadrule83]

Looking at the tail on 3D Land, I suspect this will beat out Sunshine eventually -- providing they don't let the system stagnate below 10k again next year



Biggest thing hurting Wii U right now is 3DS. I have to agree with posters on GAF that said this is similar to what Vita initially experienced in terms of perception... GOW, Uncharted and the like weren't different enough to make it move. Even after eventually correcting that, Sony have struggled to sell it. Its only now that it is gradually becoming healthier - in Japan at least. Wii U doesn't have a tearaway, layton, pullblox, kid icarus, luigis mansion 2, etc. Minor unique experiences might be as important as big exclusives. All the big games so far have been really iterative, at least in terms of how you would perceive them at a glance. I also agree that Smash 3DS is going to hurt the impact of Smash Wii U.

People asking for 2D Metroid (and the like) are bonkers if they think that'd help sales, as the system has plenty 2D platforming, but a Metroid of some description would be nice. I really hope their next software tranche is more daring than what they've done so far. The other 2D platformers (DKCTF, Yoshis Yarn etc) aren't going to do shit to help.

[thisismyusername]

http://i.imgur.com/nljIHxM.png

You can already scratch off Megaman in Smash. That has a 3DS version. Why would someone need to buy a new console for it/ 

[Tasty]

Because I have a feeling Smash on 3DS is going to be the inferior version, by quite a lot.

[AdmiralViscen]

Using 3D Land as a guide indicates that this will not outsellsunshine actually

[thisismyusername]

Because I have a feeling Smash on 3DS is going to be the inferior version, by quite a lot.

Unless the online is ass, outside of super anal people (like you) I doubt the majority of the world will care and will get it on whichever platform they own (most likely the 3DS).

I'm sure you'll be back in a month from their launch to tell me "I told you so," but I just can't see people buying a Wii U for Smash.

[radioheadrule83]

Using 3D Land as a guide indicates that this will not outsellsunshine actually

Using the only metric we have in the graph - first week sales to LTD ratio, and assuming it doesn't massively deviate from past performance of more recent entries - it could be more front loaded like SMG2 and end up in the ballpark of 750k (a little bit worse than sunshine), or perform in a less front-loaded way like 3D Land (which might require HW sales improvement). If it could have legs and achieve a similar ratio to SM3DL, it would end up in the ballpark of 1.3m.

Being as acclaimed as it is I think it could fall somewhere between the two, and would be a shame if it didn't at least do that. But I'm showing a lot of possibly misplaced faith in Nintendo there, assuming that they will try and take action to stop this clusterfuck continuing forever.

[magus]

Because I have a feeling Smash on 3DS is going to be the inferior version, by quite a lot.

Unless the online is ass, outside of super anal people (like you) I doubt the majority of the world will care and will get it on whichever platform they own (most likely the 3DS).

I'm sure you'll be back in a month from their launch to tell me "I told you so," but I just can't see people buying a Wii U for Smash.

the two games will apparently have a different stage selection (no galaxy stage on 3DS!) so maybe that will make a difference?

[AdmiralViscen]

Using 3D Land as a guide indicates that this will not outsellsunshine actually

Using the only metric we have in the graph - first week sales to LTD ratio, and assuming it doesn't massively deviate from past performance of more recent entries - it could be more front loaded like SMG2 and end up in the ballpark of 750k (a little bit worse than sunshine), or perform in a less front-loaded way like 3D Land (which might require HW sales improvement). If it could have legs and achieve a similar ratio to SM3DL, it would end up in the ballpark of 1.3m.

Being as acclaimed as it is I think it could fall somewhere between the two, and would be a shame if it didn't at least do that. But I'm showing a lot of possibly misplaced faith in Nintendo there, assuming that they will try and take action to stop this clusterfuck continuing forever.

344,608 is 18% of 3D Land's 1,883,293. If 3D World's launch of 106,697 is 18% of the game's legs, it will have a tail of around 575k, and an LTD below 700k, well short of Sunshine.

I think handhelds generally have longer tails than consoles anywho

9am maths!

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

No but you see, due to that Nintendo Magic™, 3D World will actually outsell 3D Land when you look at the ratios and the proportions of the first week sales to the LTD as well as the sales legs.  Think about the sales legs!  It just makes sense!

[radioheadrule83]

Using 3D Land as a guide indicates that this will not outsellsunshine actually

Using the only metric we have in the graph - first week sales to LTD ratio, and assuming it doesn't massively deviate from past performance of more recent entries - it could be more front loaded like SMG2 and end up in the ballpark of 750k (a little bit worse than sunshine), or perform in a less front-loaded way like 3D Land (which might require HW sales improvement). If it could have legs and achieve a similar ratio to SM3DL, it would end up in the ballpark of 1.3m.

Being as acclaimed as it is I think it could fall somewhere between the two, and would be a shame if it didn't at least do that. But I'm showing a lot of possibly misplaced faith in Nintendo there, assuming that they will try and take action to stop this clusterfuck continuing forever.

344,608 is 18% of 3D Land's 1,883,293. If 3D World's launch of 106,697 is 18% of the game's legs, it will have a tail of around 575k, and an LTD below 700k, well short of Sunshine.

I think handhelds generally have longer tails than consoles anywho

9am maths!

I worked out initial week / total sales, so for 3D Land: 344698 / (344698 + 1883293) = ~15% ...
(106697/15)*75+106697 for the estimate on 3D World

I did the same for SMG2 to try and come up with a range of how I felt it might do

Looking at the graph I think I misread it though... ie. 1,883,293 already takes into account the 344,698 first week sales - so I would not at all be surprised to see it come well under Sunshine as you project there
 

[Trent Dole]

[Takao]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-12-02-ps4-fastest-selling-console-in-uk-history

When Knack sells more than Mario 

[maxy]

I thought that might happen,lol

Apparently Sony had like 300k consoles ready for UK launch.

[Bebpo]

I'm just glad Knack is bundled over there so people are being forced to play it because it's a game few would've bought (because of look/genre/reviews) but almost everyone who plays it enjoys it so it's getting a fan following already.  They should've done the same thing for the US tbh.  Just hope it sells even between the worldwide launches to let them make an improved sequel in a couple of years.  Could be a really good series like Jak/Ratchet/Sly with some changes.

[archnemesis]

I'm getting Knack early next year. The low Metascore should make the price go down fast after Christmas. Charging $100 (yay, European prices!) for a mediocre 10 hour game isn't reasonable.

[Bebpo]

Save your money on Knack - it will be free on PS+ in the matter of 6 months. There are better games to be bought on the PS4.

Actually from my experience with the launch games...there really aren't many.  ACIV and maybe some multiplayer stuff.  Knack is waaaaaaaaaay better than KZ single player, so probably better than BF4/CoD SP as well.  NBA2K14 has awful SP career mode.  I'm still on the fence with NFS and Lego Marvel.  Madden/Fifa are no-effort port jobs.

[maxy]

UK

Reliable source^TM

PS4 boxed software (and pre-launch weeks rolled up) were around 32% greater than the run up and launch week of Xbox One.

[mjemirzian]

I'm just glad Knack is bundled over there so people are being forced to play it

How many people have you chained up and forced to play Knack so far?

[Himu]

Aaha KNACK outselling Mario. Hahahaahaha.

Also god DAMN at those ps4 launch figures. We may be in for a new ps2 generation where there's one dominant console.

[Himu]

(Image removed from quote.)

Ouch.

Source UK ps4 numbers. Afaik charttrak hasn't released numbers.

[cool breeze]

If nothing else the sales of the PS3 and Wii U make the idea of "winning" a generation seem real dumb.

[Himu]

Can you expound upon your post, Frying?

[cool breeze]

PS2 and Wii were hugely successful.  The follow ups were/are not.  I suppose the opposite works too.  Most people don't seem to care about brand loyalty.

Although you can argue PS2 killed the dreamcast.  I know the fire still burns for sega kids.