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« Reply #2640 on: October 19, 2022, 07:13:30 PM »

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« Reply #2641 on: October 19, 2022, 10:08:10 PM »
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« Reply #2642 on: October 19, 2022, 10:45:02 PM »
The next questions should have been: What kind of interracial porn? What's the video name? Got a link?

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« Reply #2643 on: October 19, 2022, 11:08:37 PM »
Wanna bet the MAGAts will vote for him anyway?
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« Reply #2644 on: October 19, 2022, 11:19:03 PM »
Wanna bet the MAGAts will vote for him anyway?
It's just the governing board for the community colleges in Maricopa County, the other two elections for it this year were cancelled because no opposing candidate filed and the people will win by default, they all can probably masturbate during the maybe two meetings a year they hold to rubber stamp everything.

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« Reply #2645 on: October 20, 2022, 04:33:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1583120265189335041

Strangely enough the Republicans are increasing their polling leads with all the latest scandals.
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« Reply #2648 on: October 21, 2022, 05:55:58 PM »
Not buying that NY poll anymore than I'd buy a TX poll with Beto up or only training by 1-2.
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« Reply #2649 on: October 22, 2022, 01:45:42 PM »
CNN has circled all the way back to 2015  :doge

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1583465977253048320
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« Reply #2650 on: October 22, 2022, 03:51:09 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/20/growing-warning-signs-democrats-2022/?utm_source=reddit.com

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2022/10/21/bidens-worst-performing-message-00062973

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"It’s an article of faith among Democrats that their party is deeply hampered by its inability or unwillingness to tout its own accomplishments.

But what if that conventional wisdom wasn’t just wrong but terribly, harmfully so?

That’s the warning being issued by one of the party’s most seasoned pollsters, STAN GREENBERG. In memos, private communications and interviews, Greenberg has been imploring the party to — let’s put this bluntly — shut the hell up about all the work it’s done. It’s not that voters don’t care. He says voters actively turn against Democrats when they hear it.

“It’s our worst performing message,” Greenberg told West Wing Playbook. “I’ve tested it. I did Biden’s exact words, his exact speech. And that’s the test where we lost all of our leads… It said to the voters that this election is about my accomplishments as a leader and not about the challenges you’re experiencing.”

YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Voting Republican ASAP!

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I posted this on another thread, but: what even is the Democrats' selling point for this cycle? Below are the only arguments I've heard:

- **"Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6!"** *Even if this is an important thing to investigate, maybe don't make it the centerpiece of your campaign. People don't care about a riot that happened literally two years ago if they can't afford their mortgage and are losing their entire paychecks in gas and groceries.*

- **"The GOP would be even worse!"** *Never in human history has a ruling political party held on to power by saying, hey maybe our policies suck but the opposition is even worse, so please come out in force and vote for us. You need to give people a reason to vote for you, not just begging them to vote against the other guy.*

- **"Dr Oz said crudite instead of veggie tray, lmffffaoooo"**

- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*

- **"Republicans want to take away your child's right to read about sex positions illustrated in library books!"**
*Do you guys really want to go down this road of jumping into the public school culture wars and creating the perception that you're going against parents? Does the 2021 Virginia governor's election mean anything to you?*

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Democrats usually take the wrong message from losing to the Republicans, and those who take the right message get shouted down by the "progressive" base.

When you see these awful Republican candidates beat reasonable Democrats, the message you should take away is that the Democratic brand has become so toxic that the people have resorted to electing terrible Republicans to send that message. But instead, increasingly the message they're taking away is that half of the country is racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and brainwashed by Fox News and incapable of independent thought, so they're not worth even trying to appeal to.

We saw this after Trump's election in 2016, when the narrative in the Democratic Party shifted from: *we need to hear the unheard people and not take their votes for granted like Clinton did* to: *all Trump voters are racists who just want to own the liberals and we need to resist them and call them out and deprogram them with NPR and spoken word poetry.*
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« Reply #2651 on: October 22, 2022, 04:19:17 PM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3697767-gop-wave-threatens-blue-state-strongholds/

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GOP wave threatens blue-state strongholds

Democrats are increasingly worried that Republicans will make gains in deep-blue strongholds such as New York and Oregon as the winds appear to shift in the GOP’s favor ahead of next month’s midterm elections.

The GOP is making competitive bids to take back governorships in both states, which reliably go for Democrats in presidential elections. The Republican gains could also extend to the House, where the GOP is making inroads in the aforementioned states, along with Rhode Island and others.

“I would say Oregon Democrats are worried. We have a history of competitive gubernatorial elections, but usually we’re up by at least 2 points at this point in October, not down by 2 like the current public polls show,” said Oregon-based Democratic strategist Jake Foster.

“And you know, frankly, we’re not used to hearing our state mentioned in the same breath as Arizona or Nevada,” Foster added, noting two other closely watched gubernatorial races.

Oregon has not elected a Republican governor since 1982, nor has it gone for the GOP presidential nominee since 1984. In 2020 alone, President Biden won the state by 16 points.

But Republican Christine Drazan could be poised this year to win the Oregon gubernatorial race over Democrat Tina Kotek given a confluence of factors. Current Gov. Kate Brown (D) is the most unpopular governor in the country, per data from Morning Consult. Adding to that are issues like crime and homelessness, which are seen as top of mind for voters. Finally, but just as significantly, third-party candidate Betsy Johnson, a Democrat-turned-independent, could complicate things further by siphoning off votes from her former party.

An Emerson College Polling survey released earlier this month showed Drazan leading Kotek 36 percent to 34 percent, within the margin of error and effectively tying the two. Kotek’s campaign blamed Johnson for being a disruptor in the race and taking away crucial votes.

“One of the main reasons Tina decided to run for Governor is because Kate Brown was absent on two of Oregon’s biggest problems: homelessness and addiction. Tina has an urgent plan of action to make real change in all of these areas: reducing homelessness, making housing more affordable, and fixing our broken mental health and addiction treatment systems,” Kotek spokesperson Katie Wertheimer said in a statement.

“She will lead where Kate Brown couldn’t or wouldn’t. Christine Drazan has a failing record on these issues, and we don’t need to take our state to the far right-wing to fix these problems.”

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« Reply #2652 on: October 22, 2022, 04:27:52 PM »
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"The New York Times’ Nick Corasaniti brings us the startling statistic that Democratic candidates for secretary of state and their allies have outspent the Republican side on TV by a 57 to 1 margin since July, and most of the GOP spending is limited to one race.

. . . Despite this massive edge, though, most polls show Democratic contenders locked in tight races, or even trailing, in competitive states against a raft of election deniers.”

https://dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/21/2128974/-Daily-Kos-Elections-Live-Digest-10-21#update-1666377571000

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I hope more trends exist besides Dems being party in power. I hope it continues and it's a complete rejection of their "culture".
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« Reply #2653 on: October 22, 2022, 04:35:04 PM »
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- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*

I'm in favor of safe access to life-saving abortions, even fully elective ones (if you don't want one don't get one), but I have noticed this too

from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade?  in terms of cutoff dates
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« Reply #2654 on: October 22, 2022, 04:39:00 PM »

from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade?  in terms of cutoff dates

Yes.

Also Dobbs has mostly been forgotten because most people realized they could still get abortions. Oopsies.

Democrats abandoned the line of thinking of "legal, safe, and rare" and are abortion absolutists now. Filthy Communist loving fucks.
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« Reply #2655 on: October 22, 2022, 05:02:57 PM »
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- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*

I'm in favor of safe access to life-saving abortions, even fully elective ones (if you don't want one don't get one), but I have noticed this too

from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade?  in terms of cutoff dates

somewhat ironically the challenge to the mississippi law restricting abortion to 15 weeks that ultimately got roe vs wade overturned would be considered above average in the european countries that consider themselves to have free elective abortions (first trimester is the norm here i think)

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« Reply #2656 on: October 22, 2022, 05:04:49 PM »
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/21/trust-government-business-media

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Most states respect the constitutional right to carry guns in public for self-defense, which the Supreme Court upheld last June. But some states are only pretending to comply with the Second Amendment, as illustrated by the law that New York passed after that decision and a similar bill that legislative leaders in New Jersey introduced last week.

In an October 6 ruling, U.S. District Judge Glenn T. Suddaby rejected New York's attempt to defy the Constitution and the Supreme Court. Although New York eliminated a demand that carry permit applicants show "proper cause," which the Court said gave licensing officials too much discretion, the state retained and elaborated on a requirement that applicants demonstrate "good moral character."

That amorphous standard, Suddaby noted, is based on "undefined assessments" of "temperament," "judgment," and trustworthiness. New York "has replaced its requirement that an applicant show a special need for self-protection with its requirement that the applicant rebut the presumption that he or she is a danger," he wrote, "while retaining (and even expanding) the open-ended discretion afforded to its licensing officers."

Under New York's law, the assessment of "good moral character" includes an examination of the applicant's online comments. As the gun owners who are challenging the law see it, that inquiry violates the right to freedom of speech as well as the right to bear arms, making the latter contingent on how applicants have exercised the former.

Dems: Republicans are a threat to our Democracy!

Supreme Court rules on giving Americans their rights

Also Dems: Nahhhhh I don't think so.

Democracy for me, not for thee. A party ran by rich cunts and hypocrites.

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- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*

I'm in favor of safe access to life-saving abortions, even fully elective ones (if you don't want one don't get one), but I have noticed this too

from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade?  in terms of cutoff dates

somewhat ironically the challenge to the mississippi law restricting abortion to 15 weeks that ultimately got roe vs wade overturned would be considered above average in the european countries that consider themselves to have free elective abortions (first trimester is the norm here i think)

I've mentioned this before and always bristle my eyebrows when I see Euros saying Americans hate women when we have fairly liberal abortions laws here. It's the judgement without recognizing their own laws which makes me boil and start to dismiss "foreign" opinions about my country. It's just hating on America disguised as activism.
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« Reply #2658 on: October 23, 2022, 01:28:07 AM »
What did I say about New Yorkers. Filthy leeches pushing their disgusting authoritarian horse shit onto that state. I pray to Allah Hochel loses even if it's unlikely.
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« Reply #2660 on: October 23, 2022, 01:37:23 AM »
:sabu

I need to do anything I can to make sure NY Dems lose something.
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« Reply #2662 on: October 23, 2022, 09:34:40 AM »
Not sure if all the pro-GOP polls translate to actual votes.

https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1583957557768777728
Trump doing a fly by with his refurbished plane. The crowd loves it.

Trump saying he's probably going to run again in 2024 makes the crowd go nuts.
But when he says they first need to win for the Republican party this november the crowd isn't very excited.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1583996536551510016

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« Reply #2663 on: October 23, 2022, 02:43:54 PM »
Republicans worried about education, Democrats worried about crime and border control. They all agree on everything.

https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1584205358410919936
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« Reply #2664 on: October 23, 2022, 03:40:11 PM »
Republicans worried about education, Democrats worried about crime and border control. They all agree on everything.

https://twitter.com/JNwk14/status/1584232570878758914
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« Reply #2665 on: October 23, 2022, 03:52:13 PM »
https://reason.com/2022/09/13/the-authoritarian-convergence/

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Both Left and Right Are Converging on Authoritarianism

The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism.

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According to American National Election Studies data, the share of Americans who self-identify as moderates or say they don't know what they are has fallen from 55 percent in 1972 to 39 percent in 2020. In that sense, people really have been moving toward the poles. But if partisan consolidation is the story of the last few decades, the story of the last few years is one of fracturing. More people are calling themselves conservatives, for example, but their preferences and priorities are not necessarily shared.

The future of the parties is now a matter of live debate. But in both cases, the elements that seem to have the most energy behind them have something important in common: a desire to move their side, and the country as a whole, in an illiberal direction.

On the left, a new crop of socialists hope to overthrow the liberal economic order, while the rise of intersectional identity politics has supplanted longstanding commitments to civil liberties. On the right, support for free markets and free trade are more and more often derided as relics of a bygone century, while quasi-theocratic ideas are gathering support.

What has not changed—what may even be getting worse—is the problem of affective polarization. Various studies have found that Americans today have significantly more negative feelings toward members of the other party than they did in decades past.

But partisan animosity suits the authoritarian elements on the left and right just fine. Their goal is power, and they have little patience for procedural niceties that interfere with its exercise. As history teaches, a base whipped up into fear and fury is ready to accept almost anything to ensure its own survival. Perhaps even the destruction of the institutions and ideals that make America distinctively itself.

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Two Sides Turn on the First Amendment

According to the old American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) mythos, one of the group's finest hours came in 1977 when it successfully defended the First Amendment right of neo-Nazis to demonstrate in Skokie, Illinois. Some 30,000 people reportedly canceled their ACLU memberships to protest the decision, but the group stood by it on the high grounds that speech protections, to mean anything, must extend even to the least popular in society.

That commitment carried the group all the way to Char​lottesville, Virginia, four decades later. But in the aftermath of the infamous Unite the Right rally in 2017, ACLU leadership appeared to break. The following June, The Wall Street Journal published a leaked document that had been drafted to help state chapters decide which cases to take a pass on. While insisting the civil liberties organization would "continue our longstanding practice of representing" even repugnant speakers "in appropriate circumstances," the guidelines created an impression that circumstances were highly unlikely to be deemed appropriate when it came to the likes of white supremacists.

As former board member Wendy Kaminer explained in a commentary for the Journal, "The speech-case guidelines reflect a demotion of free speech in the ACLU's hierarchy of values." It's a demotion that is evident across the progressive movement, where "systemic equality," "racial justice," and other manifestations of identity politics that include an ever-more-militant LGBT agenda have sidelined practically all concern for the speech rights of those seen as on the wrong side politically.

"The quest to suppress objectionable reading material in America" was once mostly confined to the right, author Kat Rosenfield argued in a March essay. "But as progressives became increasingly focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the arts—and on the potential harm wrought by books that didn't do enough to champion the proper values—they started issuing challenges of their own. By 2020, the [American Library Association's] list included almost as many complaints about racist language, white savior narratives, or alleged sexual misconduct by an author as it did ones about bad language or LGBT themes."

Not that conservatives have abandoned censorship. Cry as they might when their own speech faces adverse consequences, they have few qualms about punishing expression that runs up against right-wing pieties.

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The Rhetoric of Radicalization

In January, The Atlantic published a long article by an Irish writer who had lived through the ethno-nationalist conflict known as the "troubles." Describing a perception of civil war just around the corner, he writes: "Once that idea takes hold, it has a force of its own. The demagogues warn that the other side is mobilizing. They are coming for us. Not only do we have to defend ourselves, but we have to deny them the advantage of making the first move. The logic of the preemptive strike sets in: Do it to them before they do it to you. The other side, of course, is thinking the same thing."

An analogous logic is on display in America today. It is mostly rhetorical so far. But it is happening at both ends of the ideological spectrum.

The tropes come in escalating stages. One is that the other side is irredeemably evil and out to destroy all that is good. A second is that our side is weak and overly beholden to procedural niceties, whereas our opponents are shameless about breaking the rules in their pursuit of power. The third, following from the other two, is that whatever it takes to win is justified; any institution standing in the way can be demolished; and doing any less amounts to cowardice and surrender.

The left insists that conservatives are engaged in an "eliminationist" and "genocidal" struggle against marginalized communities such as trans people, women, and the working class. "Conservatives are animated by a vision of 1950s-style white Christian patriarchal dominance," a Georgetown visiting professor wrote in The Guardian recently. "It is the only order they will accept for America." The Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade is "the culmination of a decades-long conservative assault on the constitutional foundations of our modern civil rights regime," tweeted Slate legal reporter Mark Joseph Stern. It's not just that "abortion bans are class warfare" (per the DSA) but also that "austerity is violence" (per Chapo Trap House). The very idea of reducing government spending now has existential stakes.

The right has its own purveyors of dire warnings about what progressives are up to—which supposedly includes grooming children for sexual assault, using immigration to replace native-born Americans with a Democrat-voting electorate, and eradicating traditional Christian beliefs and practice from the public square. Nothing less than conservatives' survival is on the line, they say. In 2020, Vermeule tweeted that the attendees of an anti-Trump conference would not be spared the gulag when the extremist left takes over; four years earlier, an essay in the Claremont Review of Books implored readers to elect Trump with the memorable words, "2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die."

Observe the equal-opportunity demonization and the industrial-scale hyperbole about the threat posed by the other side (stage one). Likewise, left and right seem equally convinced that passive co-partisans are undermining the cause (stage two). "Tea and crumpets fussiness and chickenshit unwillingness to wield power is going to end democracy," tweeted the progressive journalist Ryan Cooper last year, in a pitch-perfect instance of the genre.

Finally, each side frequently declares that desperate measures are now required (stage three). And why wouldn't they be, if the other guys really are as bad as all that?

On the left, this most often takes the form of proposals to radically reform governing institutions seen as impediments to enacting policy. Since 2020, the progressive media have issued calls to pack the Supreme Court, strip states of control over elections, abolish the U.S. Senate (or at least ​​the filibuster), eliminate the Electoral College, and generally engage in what one Jacobin article called "an extremely necessary assault on the undemocratic power of the judiciary." All told, such a program would dramatically weaken America's system of checks and balances, making it easier for a slim majority to impose its will on the rest of the country.

Short of restructuring the entire system, there's always executive action, such as Biden's efforts on behalf of the environmental lobby to hamstring energy producers. The administrative state can also be deputized to prosecute the culture war, as when the Justice Department decided last year to treat parents expressing concern at school board meetings as potential domestic terrorists, or when the Department of Education was tasked with ensuring K-12 schools give students access to locker rooms matching their gender identities. And if all else fails to make the left's policy preferences a reality, the implication goes, there's always violent uprising.

On the right, radical ideas are similarly in vogue. Vance's desire to punish left-wing corporations is just the beginning. Vermeule has promoted an alternative to "originalist" jurisprudence that would empower (presumably friendly) judges to read "substantive moral principles…into the majestic generalities and ambiguities of the written Constitution." Adherence to rule of law seems, at best, like an afterthought. "Among some of my circle," one right-wing podcaster told a Vanity Fair reporter last year, "the phrase 'extra-constitutional' has come up quite a bit." In March, Curtis Yarvin, a wildly popular blogger on the "neoreactionary" right, published a long essay arguing that the "only possible cure for 'wokeness' is a change in the structural form of government." His suggested replacement: dictatorship.

More concretely, the GOP has been working since 2020 to make state voting laws more restrictive and to elect or appoint Trump loyalists to key positions at the state and local levels. The goal, it appears, is to prevent a situation in 2024 like the one in which officials in places like Georgia and Arizona willingly certified a Republican loss that members of the party base consider dubious. It's no exaggeration to say that the expectation for a peaceful transition of power is in doubt in America today.

The point is not that either side is wholly unjustified in its motivating grievances. The left really has trained its guns on traditionalist Christians, for example, as the volley of ACLU lawsuits against religious hospitals makes clear. Social media platforms did, as if in lockstep, block a damning news story about Hunter Biden from being shared in 2020, thus choosing sides in the midst of a contested presidential race. And the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania did step in to unilaterally decree that absentee ballots arriving after Election Day should continue to be processed, piquing conservative suspicion about procedural irregularities surrounding the contest.

Meanwhile, the right really does seem woefully indifferent to, for instance, the lingering effects on black communities of three centuries of legally sanctioned oppression. Trump did begin priming his base to reject the outcome of the last election months before votes were even cast, to say nothing of his encouragement of the January 6 riot. And Senate Republicans did pivot shamelessly from refusing to hold confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland to rushing through approval of Amy Coney Barrett, leading many progressives to wonder why they should feel constrained by the norms of congressional process where their opponents manifestly are not.

But each side is using some legitimate complaints to build a permission structure for seizing power by any means necessary and raining down destruction on its foes. One result is a sort of bipartisan apocalypticism: A recent Yahoo News poll found that more than half of each major party believes it's likely that America will "cease to be a democracy in the future." Under these circumstances, extreme medicine can start to seem like the only logical response.

The other side is mobilizing. They're coming for us. Do it to them before they do it to you.
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« Reply #2666 on: October 23, 2022, 05:01:57 PM »
"White savior narratives" truly jumped the shark last year when the charge was hurled at....Dune.
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« Reply #2667 on: October 23, 2022, 06:02:04 PM »
"White savior narratives" truly jumped the shark last year when the charge was hurled at....Dune.
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thing is, you can always see a grain of truth in that, right? frank herbert explicitly modeled the fremen after arabic/islamic people, and here comes a white kid as the chosen one

but like...chill the fuck out

there are products obviously designed to oppress, and there are products designed to entertain with minor potentially problematic influences that you can safely ignore

you cannot purge any work of all potentially wrong lessons

animal crossing, mario, zelda, the last of us, tomb raider all have white savior narratives :mario
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« Reply #2668 on: October 23, 2022, 06:14:58 PM »
If a white person helps a black person they are a white saviour, if a black person helps a white person they're a "magical negro". The only way to be woke is to segregate the white and black characters, or just never have them help each other.

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« Reply #2669 on: October 23, 2022, 07:17:09 PM »
Nobody actually cares about all that. With all the writing, shit like Green Book comes out, wins best picture, and makes money. There’s hardly a real world impact to the endless discourse.

Sometimes think of dickheads who whine about Indiana Jones putting artifacts in a museum. Yeah dude totally. Need Indy to sit the Nazi down and tell them to Do Better about colonialism.

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« Reply #2670 on: October 23, 2022, 10:17:18 PM »
Republicans worried about education, Democrats worried about crime and border control. They all agree on everything.

https://twitter.com/JNwk14/status/1584232570878758914

Nah, Chesa Boudin going down in flames in a liberal bastion totally isn't a sign that maybe certain progressive policies (perceived or real) on crime aren't going over well with voters.

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« Reply #2671 on: October 23, 2022, 10:31:17 PM »
The genesis for all of this is that we're stacking generations of people who do not read. At one point you could have said we had a generation of people who only read Harry Potter, or Hunger Games, or Twilight. At this point we're worse off and they haven't even read those. Instead we have people who skim wikipedia, or watch the film adaption, or skip the spark notes, or just read the end of a book. And if they do manage to read something they're judging it entirely from a modern perspective. You see this a lot from people who watch films and TV to figure out what the "woke" parts are, which they then complain about. Literature wise you've got people reading Huck Finn and claiming the novel in of itself is racist, Huck is a white savior, Jim isn't a realistic (black) character etc. It's nauseating. But again, this is the product of people not reading.

If all you consume is your twitter feed or whatever tumblr you enjoy, your writing is going to be overly influenced by that. This is why so much dialogue in media (especially television, but also film) is trash. The ironic thing about all of this is that 30 years ago, Rush Limbaugh and others were crying about leftist art; they didn't call it "woke" because they hadn't stolen that phrase from black people yet. Today much of the right wing media nexus will have you believe films/tv weren't political back in those glory days. In reality they were arguably more political but the writing was better. Because the writers...read. They found inspiration in prose, found their own voice, and then found a way to say something beyond throwing some words in a blender (privilege, white supremacy, etc) and calling it a day.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2672 on: October 23, 2022, 10:53:29 PM »
The genesis for all of this is that we're stacking generations of people who do not read. At one point you could have said we had a generation of people who only read Harry Potter, or Hunger Games, or Twilight. At this point we're worse off and they haven't even read those. Instead we have people who skim wikipedia, or watch the film adaption, or skip the spark notes, or just read the end of a book. And if they do manage to read something they're judging it entirely from a modern perspective. You see this a lot from people who watch films and TV to figure out what the "woke" parts are, which they then complain about. Literature wise you've got people reading Huck Finn and claiming the novel in of itself is racist, Huck is a white savior, Jim isn't a realistic (black) character etc. It's nauseating. But again, this is the product of people not reading.
You want me to spend all the time to read something when I might find something that makes me uncomfortable or that I don't enjoy or that might raise moral/ethical questions in the book? :jeanluc

This sounds a lot like BOTH SIDES rhetoric to me, which is exactly what the Nazis want, don't act like you don't know exactly what you're doing, let's dispel with the fiction that Nazis don't know what they're doing, Nazis know exactly what they're doing. Rather than put an end to Nazis the only way we know how, with the full weight and power of everyone conscripted and unified to deploy state force, you want us to expose ourselves to gateways to Nazi rhetoric. Well, I refuse. I will do what's right, defeat Nazis by giving out likes, rather than do what you want, read harmful books.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2674 on: October 24, 2022, 12:26:20 AM »


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« Reply #2675 on: October 24, 2022, 01:19:59 AM »
https://reason.com/2022/09/13/the-authoritarian-convergence/

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Both Left and Right Are Converging on Authoritarianism

The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism.

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According to American National Election Studies data, the share of Americans who self-identify as moderates or say they don't know what they are has fallen from 55 percent in 1972 to 39 percent in 2020. In that sense, people really have been moving toward the poles. But if partisan consolidation is the story of the last few decades, the story of the last few years is one of fracturing. More people are calling themselves conservatives, for example, but their preferences and priorities are not necessarily shared.

The future of the parties is now a matter of live debate. But in both cases, the elements that seem to have the most energy behind them have something important in common: a desire to move their side, and the country as a whole, in an illiberal direction.

On the left, a new crop of socialists hope to overthrow the liberal economic order, while the rise of intersectional identity politics has supplanted longstanding commitments to civil liberties. On the right, support for free markets and free trade are more and more often derided as relics of a bygone century, while quasi-theocratic ideas are gathering support.

What has not changed—what may even be getting worse—is the problem of affective polarization. Various studies have found that Americans today have significantly more negative feelings toward members of the other party than they did in decades past.

But partisan animosity suits the authoritarian elements on the left and right just fine. Their goal is power, and they have little patience for procedural niceties that interfere with its exercise. As history teaches, a base whipped up into fear and fury is ready to accept almost anything to ensure its own survival. Perhaps even the destruction of the institutions and ideals that make America distinctively itself.

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Two Sides Turn on the First Amendment

According to the old American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) mythos, one of the group's finest hours came in 1977 when it successfully defended the First Amendment right of neo-Nazis to demonstrate in Skokie, Illinois. Some 30,000 people reportedly canceled their ACLU memberships to protest the decision, but the group stood by it on the high grounds that speech protections, to mean anything, must extend even to the least popular in society.

That commitment carried the group all the way to Char​lottesville, Virginia, four decades later. But in the aftermath of the infamous Unite the Right rally in 2017, ACLU leadership appeared to break. The following June, The Wall Street Journal published a leaked document that had been drafted to help state chapters decide which cases to take a pass on. While insisting the civil liberties organization would "continue our longstanding practice of representing" even repugnant speakers "in appropriate circumstances," the guidelines created an impression that circumstances were highly unlikely to be deemed appropriate when it came to the likes of white supremacists.

As former board member Wendy Kaminer explained in a commentary for the Journal, "The speech-case guidelines reflect a demotion of free speech in the ACLU's hierarchy of values." It's a demotion that is evident across the progressive movement, where "systemic equality," "racial justice," and other manifestations of identity politics that include an ever-more-militant LGBT agenda have sidelined practically all concern for the speech rights of those seen as on the wrong side politically.

"The quest to suppress objectionable reading material in America" was once mostly confined to the right, author Kat Rosenfield argued in a March essay. "But as progressives became increasingly focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the arts—and on the potential harm wrought by books that didn't do enough to champion the proper values—they started issuing challenges of their own. By 2020, the [American Library Association's] list included almost as many complaints about racist language, white savior narratives, or alleged sexual misconduct by an author as it did ones about bad language or LGBT themes."

Not that conservatives have abandoned censorship. Cry as they might when their own speech faces adverse consequences, they have few qualms about punishing expression that runs up against right-wing pieties.

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The Rhetoric of Radicalization

In January, The Atlantic published a long article by an Irish writer who had lived through the ethno-nationalist conflict known as the "troubles." Describing a perception of civil war just around the corner, he writes: "Once that idea takes hold, it has a force of its own. The demagogues warn that the other side is mobilizing. They are coming for us. Not only do we have to defend ourselves, but we have to deny them the advantage of making the first move. The logic of the preemptive strike sets in: Do it to them before they do it to you. The other side, of course, is thinking the same thing."

An analogous logic is on display in America today. It is mostly rhetorical so far. But it is happening at both ends of the ideological spectrum.

The tropes come in escalating stages. One is that the other side is irredeemably evil and out to destroy all that is good. A second is that our side is weak and overly beholden to procedural niceties, whereas our opponents are shameless about breaking the rules in their pursuit of power. The third, following from the other two, is that whatever it takes to win is justified; any institution standing in the way can be demolished; and doing any less amounts to cowardice and surrender.

The left insists that conservatives are engaged in an "eliminationist" and "genocidal" struggle against marginalized communities such as trans people, women, and the working class. "Conservatives are animated by a vision of 1950s-style white Christian patriarchal dominance," a Georgetown visiting professor wrote in The Guardian recently. "It is the only order they will accept for America." The Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade is "the culmination of a decades-long conservative assault on the constitutional foundations of our modern civil rights regime," tweeted Slate legal reporter Mark Joseph Stern. It's not just that "abortion bans are class warfare" (per the DSA) but also that "austerity is violence" (per Chapo Trap House). The very idea of reducing government spending now has existential stakes.

The right has its own purveyors of dire warnings about what progressives are up to—which supposedly includes grooming children for sexual assault, using immigration to replace native-born Americans with a Democrat-voting electorate, and eradicating traditional Christian beliefs and practice from the public square. Nothing less than conservatives' survival is on the line, they say. In 2020, Vermeule tweeted that the attendees of an anti-Trump conference would not be spared the gulag when the extremist left takes over; four years earlier, an essay in the Claremont Review of Books implored readers to elect Trump with the memorable words, "2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die."

Observe the equal-opportunity demonization and the industrial-scale hyperbole about the threat posed by the other side (stage one). Likewise, left and right seem equally convinced that passive co-partisans are undermining the cause (stage two). "Tea and crumpets fussiness and chickenshit unwillingness to wield power is going to end democracy," tweeted the progressive journalist Ryan Cooper last year, in a pitch-perfect instance of the genre.

Finally, each side frequently declares that desperate measures are now required (stage three). And why wouldn't they be, if the other guys really are as bad as all that?

On the left, this most often takes the form of proposals to radically reform governing institutions seen as impediments to enacting policy. Since 2020, the progressive media have issued calls to pack the Supreme Court, strip states of control over elections, abolish the U.S. Senate (or at least ​​the filibuster), eliminate the Electoral College, and generally engage in what one Jacobin article called "an extremely necessary assault on the undemocratic power of the judiciary." All told, such a program would dramatically weaken America's system of checks and balances, making it easier for a slim majority to impose its will on the rest of the country.

Short of restructuring the entire system, there's always executive action, such as Biden's efforts on behalf of the environmental lobby to hamstring energy producers. The administrative state can also be deputized to prosecute the culture war, as when the Justice Department decided last year to treat parents expressing concern at school board meetings as potential domestic terrorists, or when the Department of Education was tasked with ensuring K-12 schools give students access to locker rooms matching their gender identities. And if all else fails to make the left's policy preferences a reality, the implication goes, there's always violent uprising.

On the right, radical ideas are similarly in vogue. Vance's desire to punish left-wing corporations is just the beginning. Vermeule has promoted an alternative to "originalist" jurisprudence that would empower (presumably friendly) judges to read "substantive moral principles…into the majestic generalities and ambiguities of the written Constitution." Adherence to rule of law seems, at best, like an afterthought. "Among some of my circle," one right-wing podcaster told a Vanity Fair reporter last year, "the phrase 'extra-constitutional' has come up quite a bit." In March, Curtis Yarvin, a wildly popular blogger on the "neoreactionary" right, published a long essay arguing that the "only possible cure for 'wokeness' is a change in the structural form of government." His suggested replacement: dictatorship.

More concretely, the GOP has been working since 2020 to make state voting laws more restrictive and to elect or appoint Trump loyalists to key positions at the state and local levels. The goal, it appears, is to prevent a situation in 2024 like the one in which officials in places like Georgia and Arizona willingly certified a Republican loss that members of the party base consider dubious. It's no exaggeration to say that the expectation for a peaceful transition of power is in doubt in America today.

The point is not that either side is wholly unjustified in its motivating grievances. The left really has trained its guns on traditionalist Christians, for example, as the volley of ACLU lawsuits against religious hospitals makes clear. Social media platforms did, as if in lockstep, block a damning news story about Hunter Biden from being shared in 2020, thus choosing sides in the midst of a contested presidential race. And the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania did step in to unilaterally decree that absentee ballots arriving after Election Day should continue to be processed, piquing conservative suspicion about procedural irregularities surrounding the contest.

Meanwhile, the right really does seem woefully indifferent to, for instance, the lingering effects on black communities of three centuries of legally sanctioned oppression. Trump did begin priming his base to reject the outcome of the last election months before votes were even cast, to say nothing of his encouragement of the January 6 riot. And Senate Republicans did pivot shamelessly from refusing to hold confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland to rushing through approval of Amy Coney Barrett, leading many progressives to wonder why they should feel constrained by the norms of congressional process where their opponents manifestly are not.

But each side is using some legitimate complaints to build a permission structure for seizing power by any means necessary and raining down destruction on its foes. One result is a sort of bipartisan apocalypticism: A recent Yahoo News poll found that more than half of each major party believes it's likely that America will "cease to be a democracy in the future." Under these circumstances, extreme medicine can start to seem like the only logical response.

The other side is mobilizing. They're coming for us. Do it to them before they do it to you.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2676 on: October 24, 2022, 01:22:46 AM »
The genesis for all of this is that we're stacking generations of people who do not read. At one point you could have said we had a generation of people who only read Harry Potter, or Hunger Games, or Twilight. At this point we're worse off and they haven't even read those. Instead we have people who skim wikipedia, or watch the film adaption, or skip the spark notes, or just read the end of a book. And if they do manage to read something they're judging it entirely from a modern perspective. You see this a lot from people who watch films and TV to figure out what the "woke" parts are, which they then complain about. Literature wise you've got people reading Huck Finn and claiming the novel in of itself is racist, Huck is a white savior, Jim isn't a realistic (black) character etc. It's nauseating. But again, this is the product of people not reading.

If all you consume is your twitter feed or whatever tumblr you enjoy, your writing is going to be overly influenced by that. This is why so much dialogue in media (especially television, but also film) is trash. The ironic thing about all of this is that 30 years ago, Rush Limbaugh and others were crying about leftist art; they didn't call it "woke" because they hadn't stolen that phrase from black people yet. Today much of the right wing media nexus will have you believe films/tv weren't political back in those glory days. In reality they were arguably more political but the writing was better. Because the writers...read. They found inspiration in prose, found their own voice, and then found a way to say something beyond throwing some words in a blender (privilege, white supremacy, etc) and calling it a day.

I salute this post, PD.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2677 on: October 24, 2022, 01:32:21 AM »
Now make a non-insane libertarian party.
NEVER! WHAT'S NEXT? A LICENSE TO MAKE TOAST IN MY OWN DAMN TOASTER? :bolo

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2678 on: October 24, 2022, 05:20:27 AM »
Now make a non-insane libertarian party.
NEVER! WHAT'S NEXT? A LICENSE TO MAKE TOAST IN MY OWN DAMN TOASTER? :bolo

WE NEED LIBERTY, BENJI

BOTH PARTIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY DICKS



On a positive note, the Pandemic utterly made the case for Libertarianism as a political framework I never considered before. Hopefully others fell more into that camp like I did because of Covid. The best scenario for us is that Libertarianism gains a mainstream upswing even without "the party".
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2679 on: October 24, 2022, 06:17:33 AM »
COVID made a case for every self-interested imbecile to allow their most base urges of selfishness to run wild. Something as simple as a wearing a mask to protect vulnerable people in the community became a political and so-called human rights issue. Some people should be ashamed of themselves for the fuss they kicked up.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2680 on: October 24, 2022, 09:12:30 AM »
twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1582429523403935747

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https://twitter.com/jkosseff/status/1584322921161719808
https://twitter.com/jkosseff/status/1584324311447261185

this is fine

Music wise this could simply mean altering algorithms to downgrade certain subgenres of music - drill, for instance - that are directly tied to real life violence or crime. Currently a lot of that stuff is prominently featured at the top of playlists and algorithms, which drives the popularity/influence. This would be a private, non-government response but would of course require streaming apps to turn down the bags of money this music generates for them. Not to mention what if Spotify changes their algorithm but Apple doesn't.

I'm not advocating for that but it's definitely been on my mind recently.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2681 on: October 24, 2022, 09:18:28 AM »
yeah maybe we could start having fewer video games where you use violence to achieve your goals, whether that's shooting zombies (allowing people to project "the other" onto zombies, their mindless, ontologically evil opponents) or as simple as stomping on goombas

might does not make right, and we must suppress this message wherever it is found
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« Reply #2682 on: October 24, 2022, 10:23:40 AM »
We should ban all games except Miencraft, Fall Guys, Among Us, and New Pokemon Snap. Everything else is bad for society.
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« Reply #2683 on: October 24, 2022, 11:31:51 AM »
We should ban all games except Miencraft, Fall Guys, Among Us, and New Pokemon Snap. Everything else is bad for society.

minecraft made by an alt right chud, fall guys literally an analogue of capitalism - only one winner the rest fall to their doom, among us be a traitor and murder everyone else, pokemon a mandingo simulator

i don't think you could have chosen a worse batch of games to represent your utopia  :ufup


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« Reply #2685 on: October 24, 2022, 02:09:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1584579907971153920

I expect Barnes to lose in WI, Fetterman to win in PA.
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« Reply #2686 on: October 24, 2022, 03:15:57 PM »
i don't think you could have chosen a worse batch of games to represent your utopia  :ufup

Theyre the only games I play and I turned out great

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« Reply #2687 on: October 24, 2022, 03:38:27 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/chinese-spies-huawei

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Two alleged Chinese spies charged with trying to obstruct US Huawei investigation

The US Justice Department unsealed charges Monday against two alleged Chinese spies who are accused of interfering with a federal prosecution against a global telecommunications company based in China.

According to charging documents, the Chinese telecommunications company was facing federal prosecution in Brooklyn, New York. Though the indictment does not name the company, a person familiar with the investigation confirmed to CNN that the company is Huawei.

The two alleged spies were charged with obstructing the Justice Department’s prosecution against Huawei.

Attorney General Merrick Garland and other Justice Department officials are scheduled to make an announcement Monday afternoon related to significant national security cases. The department said in a press release that the cases relate to “malign influence schemes and alleged criminal activity by a nation-state actor in the United States.”

Gouchun He and Zheng Wang, the two alleged Chinese spies, cultivated a relationship with a law enforcement official involved in the case beginning in 2017. He and Wang believed they had recruited the official as a Chinese asset, according to charging documents, but the US official was working as a “double agent” under FBI supervision, maintaining their allegiance to the US.
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« Reply #2688 on: October 24, 2022, 03:43:36 PM »
James Bond shit. I was gonna say shouldn't that information be classified and not revealed, since it can blow the person's cover. But then again I'd imagine when shit hit the fan and the spies were arrested, it wouldn't be hard for China to figure out who that person was. They've likely been removed from undercover work now that the fish has been caught.
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« Reply #2689 on: October 24, 2022, 04:00:43 PM »
James Bond shit. I was gonna say shouldn't that information be classified and not revealed, since it can blow the person's cover. But then again I'd imagine when shit hit the fan and the spies were arrested, it wouldn't be hard for China to figure out who that person was. They've likely been removed from undercover work now that the fish has been caught.

I'm sure even the act of announcing it when they announce it is all tactical, and could even be misinformation of sorts in their best interests
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« Reply #2690 on: October 24, 2022, 06:33:24 PM »
WE NEED LIBERTY, BENJI

BOTH PARTIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY DICKS
Look, the Libertarian Party faces a large number of hurdles that it will never overcome for multiple reasons but fundamentally I don't think you're really going to get a bunch of radical individualists to ever do ceaseless group activities for the purpose of achieving collectivist goals. Cranks will dominate because libertarians in general are not going to be interested in pursuing political power over the long term. The other third parties have similar problems of a similar nature with radicals and cult figures because moderates are going to be drawn to the more powerful apparatus of the two actually supported parties and driven out by infighting where the most extreme can always show more commitment to the cause. What's actually remarkable about the Libertarian Party at the national level, the state parties are totally different, is that the moderates traditionally have won. Jo wasn't their first pick, but she was still a compromise candidate. The party could have reacted entirely differently to having it given itself over to Gary for two cycles. Even still, nobody wants to vote for candidates that are always going to lose. American voters want to win more than anything and the cost is too high to get people to break from that and therefore the two viable parties.

Plus, if the Libertarians ever somehow broke through what is probably a maximum ceiling during a perfect one-time election of 10-15% to where they could win it would make the existential panic that Trump created look like a calm and respectful tea party. Despite a trifecta, Trump and the GOP never even feigned an actual investigation of all the criminal shit Obama did because they didn't care nor think that violating the law is a big deal.

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« Reply #2691 on: October 24, 2022, 06:51:32 PM »


In a grunt for attention, third-party Congressional candidate Mike Itkis has released a sex tape to highlight his sex positive campaign platform. The 53-year-old Army cyber operations officer is bound to lose to Rep. Jerry Nadler in Manhattan’s 12th Congressional District. But he posted the 13 minute video to a popular online porn site of him having sex with porn performer Nicole Sage as “a conversation piece,” he told City & State. “If I would just talk about it, it wouldn’t demonstrate my commitment to the issue. And the fact I actually did it was a huge learning experience, and it actually influenced items on my platform.” His issues include legalizing sex work, and making sexual rights explicit – “do NOT rely on privacy or free speech rights,” his campaign site reads, where sex positivity is one of just three campaign issues, which are all thin on details. Itkis, whose bio identifies himself as “Not married. No kids. Not celibate. Atheist.” also seems to take aim at child support payments, writing that “men should not be required to support biological children without prior agreement.”

Itkis said the video “Bucket List Bonanza” in 2021 was his first time having sex on camera, and insisted he’s not an exhibitionist. “I’m very much an introvert,” the “very liberal” registered Democrat said. “I’m kind of a nerd who doesn’t like to be the center of attention if I can avoid it. But I thought the issues I’m trying to address are so important… I wanted to have my issues talked about in some way.”
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The Nadler campaign declined to comment. Itkis’ Republican opponent understood it. “You gotta do what you gotta do,” ​​Mike Zumbluskas told City & State. “The media ignores everybody that’s not a Democrat in the city.”
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« Reply #2692 on: October 24, 2022, 06:59:52 PM »
Ive never seen such a punchable face

https://twitter.com/BennyAce/status/1584610230151041025
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« Reply #2693 on: October 24, 2022, 07:08:06 PM »
I've always thought Hannity to be much more insufferable than Tucker.

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« Reply #2694 on: October 24, 2022, 07:48:03 PM »
i don't think you could have chosen a worse batch of games to represent your utopia  :ufup

Theyre the only games I play and I turned out great

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« Reply #2695 on: October 24, 2022, 08:02:12 PM »


In a grunt for attention, third-party Congressional candidate Mike Itkis has released a sex tape to highlight his sex positive campaign platform. The 53-year-old Army cyber operations officer is bound to lose to Rep. Jerry Nadler in Manhattan’s 12th Congressional District. But he posted the 13 minute video to a popular online porn site of him having sex with porn performer Nicole Sage as “a conversation piece,” he told City & State. “If I would just talk about it, it wouldn’t demonstrate my commitment to the issue. And the fact I actually did it was a huge learning experience, and it actually influenced items on my platform.” His issues include legalizing sex work, and making sexual rights explicit – “do NOT rely on privacy or free speech rights,” his campaign site reads, where sex positivity is one of just three campaign issues, which are all thin on details. Itkis, whose bio identifies himself as “Not married. No kids. Not celibate. Atheist.” also seems to take aim at child support payments, writing that “men should not be required to support biological children without prior agreement.”

Itkis said the video “Bucket List Bonanza” in 2021 was his first time having sex on camera, and insisted he’s not an exhibitionist. “I’m very much an introvert,” the “very liberal” registered Democrat said. “I’m kind of a nerd who doesn’t like to be the center of attention if I can avoid it. But I thought the issues I’m trying to address are so important… I wanted to have my issues talked about in some way.”
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The Nadler campaign declined to comment. Itkis’ Republican opponent understood it. “You gotta do what you gotta do,” ​​Mike Zumbluskas told City & State. “The media ignores everybody that’s not a Democrat in the city.”
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« Reply #2697 on: October 25, 2022, 01:17:29 PM »
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« Reply #2698 on: October 25, 2022, 01:19:17 PM »
deep fake.

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« Reply #2699 on: October 25, 2022, 01:20:54 PM »
amen, everyone knows she was executed at gitmo ages ago :trumps
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