Author Topic: Hip Hop (Read 728204 times)

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4020 on:** May 13, 2016, 01:25:14 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2016, 07:26:08 PM

Dunno. Illmatic isn't classic simply because it's a really great album, it's classic because of its impact on hip hop. It was and probably still is the golden standard for the genre on multiple levels, it's one of the first rap albums with multiple "super" producers, flow wise Nas turned the page on an entire era, etc.

GKMC is interesting because it's arguably the only undeniable classic of the new-ish generation (Drake, Cole, etc). In terms of influence you can easily point to the west coast's re-emergence on the mainstream level after that album's release/success.

TPAB is a better album to me but it's too early to call it classic, and I'm not sure it'll have the same impact. I could see it going down as a classic album, but perhaps not a "hip hop classic." My argument would be that TPAB has had an undeniable impact on jazz's popularity, and heralded the later success of Kamasi Washington's The Epic, which has been a stunning success for a jazz album and has rightfully received nearly every accolade imaginable. But in terms of hip hop I don't believe the genre is going to move an inch towards any direction Kendrick took with the album. TPAB isn't the first jazz rap album, and most of them haven't changed the trajectory of the genre.

Perhaps you could argue that the social message of the album might have more impact than the instrumentation focus. Beyonce's album seems like it was clearly influenced by TPAB for instance, and if we see hip hop take a more clear stance on Black Lives Matter/activism perhaps Kendrick will get credit.

🙏
Wish I could like this twice. Articulated what I've been feeling on the topic much better than I've been able to myself.

Also Chance 3 is great so far. Glad he dragged Francis and The Lights out of whatever stair closet Drake stuffed them in a decade ago

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4021 on:** May 13, 2016, 01:38:42 AM »

Getting real nerd about this, should mixtapes be able to qualify as classics?

dkdk · « **Reply #4022 on:** May 13, 2016, 01:40:17 AM »

Quote from: Syph on May 13, 2016, 12:49:50 AM

Its garbage. Chance is such a letdown aw man.

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on May 13, 2016, 01:38:42 AM

Getting real nerd about this, should mixtapes be able to qualify as classics?

Definitely. Its a lot more mixtapes id be willing to call classic than albums.

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4023 on:** May 13, 2016, 02:04:06 AM »

garbage? jesus christ, never thought id be out cynically hyperbole'd

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4024 on:** May 13, 2016, 02:06:10 AM »

actually tbh i can kinda get how you'd call it garbage if you're maybe a huge de la fan. it's still really fun and chance is very good at rapping

Purrp Skirrp · « **Reply #4025 on:** May 13, 2016, 02:46:38 AM »

Quote from: dkdk on May 13, 2016, 01:40:17 AM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on May 13, 2016, 01:38:42 AM
Getting real nerd about this, should mixtapes be able to qualify as classics?

Definitely. Its a lot more mixtapes id be willing to call classic than albums.

Yup, and I'd argue some artists have better mixtapes than albums.

XXX > Old
1999 > B4.DA.$$
Nehru Jackets > Eat Pray Thug
Live.Love.A$AP > Long.Live.A$AP
Trees & Truths/The Waters > Waves

Syph · « **Reply #4026 on:** May 13, 2016, 03:22:29 AM »

yea it's flames so far what do you dislike?

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4027 on:** May 13, 2016, 04:10:00 AM »

Quote from: Swishercrat on May 13, 2016, 02:46:38 AM

Quote from: dkdk on May 13, 2016, 01:40:17 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on May 13, 2016, 01:38:42 AM
Getting real nerd about this, should mixtapes be able to qualify as classics?

Definitely. Its a lot more mixtapes id be willing to call classic than albums.

Yup, and I'd argue some artists have better mixtapes than albums.

XXX > Old
1999 > B4.DA.$$
Nehru Jackets > Eat Pray Thug
Live.Love.A$AP > Long.Live.A$AP
Trees & Truths/The Waters > Waves

agreed on all of this except asap. recusing myself from the joey stuff tho

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4028 on:** May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 AM »

XXX was sold as an album iirc. And as I said it's a classic to me, easily the best of that 2010s revival of weed/pill rap.

I'm conflicted. On one hand the difference between albums and mixtapes are minor now. Gone are the days when mixtape meant a collection of unreleased songs DJ Clue illegally acquired from someone at a label. Mixtapes are basically albums that couldn't get sample clearances now.

But I flip flop and scoff when I see something like...Cole celebrating the five year anniversary of a mixtape and claiming its classic. That shit annoys me. Still I think I'll settle for mixtapes being treated like albums as long as it consists of a majority of new material/songs.

toku · « **Reply #4029 on:** May 15, 2016, 01:54:57 PM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4030 on:** May 15, 2016, 01:59:34 PM »

https://twitter.com/BrownsvilleKa/status/725355131223576577

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4031 on:** May 16, 2016, 09:42:52 PM »

Jay Electronica – ‘Light Years’ (Feat. MF Doom)
prod by DOOM

toku · « **Reply #4032 on:** May 16, 2016, 09:46:03 PM »

toku · « **Reply #4033 on:** May 16, 2016, 09:51:28 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2016, 09:42:52 PM

Jay Electronica – ‘Light Years’ (Feat. MF Doom)
prod by DOOM

man it's gonna be dope when we bring up this song eight yrs from now like "Damn an album woulda been dope"

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4034 on:** May 16, 2016, 10:46:59 PM »

no one is gonna care what 40 year olds have to say about rap by then, shout outs to aia

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4035 on:** May 17, 2016, 11:13:36 PM »

TI - Dope

Sounds like just about every "Dre beat" since 2001. Meh.

Syph · « **Reply #4036 on:** May 18, 2016, 02:18:27 AM »

so 13 Weeknd songs and 4 Travis Scott songs just leaked

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4037 on:** May 18, 2016, 09:07:12 PM »

toku · « **Reply #4038 on:** May 18, 2016, 10:39:28 PM »

"professional pedophile"

toku · « **Reply #4039 on:** May 18, 2016, 11:40:47 PM »

toku · « **Reply #4040 on:** May 19, 2016, 03:46:37 PM »

Syph · « **Reply #4041 on:** May 20, 2016, 12:57:25 AM »

Great post Toku but the remix is where it's at
Shout out to all my GTA Liberty City Stories playing ninjas

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #4042 on:** May 20, 2016, 01:19:02 AM »

Yo! Shinobi · « **Reply #4043 on:** May 20, 2016, 07:55:44 AM »

One of the few gems in this album....

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #4044 on:** May 22, 2016, 08:46:59 PM »

This 13 and Good controversy is actually a good way to show who listens to music and who just skims through it

Bringing this over from Gaf because that fight will be fixed

Syph · « **Reply #4045 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:48:03 PM »

Not sure how pumped I am about the new direction

Shrew · « **Reply #4046 on:** May 25, 2016, 03:08:59 AM »

"All We Got Iz Us" is the shit. Bought that cd the same day as Busta Rhymes, lady behind the counter said "So you like screamers huh?"

I said ,"Yeah." Thus I listened to militant rap whilst playing games like FF7 and Resident Evil.

I have no regrets

Shrew · « **Reply #4047 on:** May 25, 2016, 04:57:37 AM »

Slow. And easy. Just like AiA's time in the 40 yard

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4048 on:** May 25, 2016, 07:53:21 PM »

https://www.instagram.com/p/BE1k6MIAUvP/

toku · « **Reply #4049 on:** May 25, 2016, 11:41:20 PM »

IrishNinja · « **Reply #4050 on:** May 26, 2016, 05:49:13 PM »

oh cool - PD, toku & co talkin bout Ka, Kdot etc, shit maybe i oughta

Quote from: toku on May 12, 2016, 11:00:22 PM

https://www.instagram.com/jayelectronica/

...peace ya'll

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4051 on:** May 26, 2016, 07:10:05 PM »

Got into a convo with DJ HouseShoes on twitter. Basically dude is upset about Gucci being called a "cultural icon" and "legend." But like seriously...Gucci is probably the most influential rapper of the last decade. You don't have to like his music, I certainly don't outside of a couple songs...but the influence cannot be denied. There are a lot of people who don't seem to get that the typical Hov/Nas/Biggie/Pac worldview doesn't exist for an entire generation of rap fans. Hell a lot of these kids don't really give a fuck about Kanye outside of 808s and Heartbreaks, maybe Graduation. You expect a 15 year old kid from Atlanta to give a fuck about Reasonable Doubt?

It is what it is. I'm not gonna be that old dude hating on kids

all that being said Lil Yachty is trash and fuck all the white hipsters at labels grooming trash artists to appeal to the Noisey/Pitchfork/etc crowd

Syph · « **Reply #4052 on:** May 26, 2016, 07:29:23 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 07:10:05 PM

all that being said Lil Yachty is trash and fuck all the white hipsters at labels grooming trash artists to appeal to the Noisey/Pitchfork/etc crowd

he's the reason I was made aware of the term "industry plant"

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4053 on:** May 26, 2016, 08:00:52 PM »

Gucci absolutely is a legend. He's a great rapper, he's insanely prolific, he's turned nobodies into genuine popstars, and he did so outside of the traditional label system. Cultural icon is a bit of a stretch outside of Atlanta maybe, I actually think he's kind of under recognized by the general public, but he had his moment in the sun too with People vs Radric Davis and Georgia's Most Wanted.

toku · « **Reply #4054 on:** May 26, 2016, 08:41:57 PM »

welcome home gucci

studyguy · « **Reply #4055 on:** May 26, 2016, 09:14:23 PM »

Troy Ave

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4056 on:** May 26, 2016, 09:51:23 PM »

hilarious
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/nypd-close-arrest-deadly-shooting-irving-plaza-article-1.2650743

Quote

Troy Ave, of Brownsville, accidentally shot himself in the leg during the chaos, sources said.

Syph · « **Reply #4057 on:** May 26, 2016, 10:18:19 PM »

they're saying it was self-inflicted as in on purpose and he's being charged (maybe?) lol the king of Ls is back for the throne

toku · « **Reply #4058 on:** May 27, 2016, 09:23:40 PM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4059 on:** May 28, 2016, 12:33:25 AM »

The case for rap production minimalism

PlayDat · « **Reply #4060 on:** May 28, 2016, 09:51:46 AM »

Whenever I think of KRS-One, the song Hush eventually comes to mind since it was in THPS3. Aside from that I've barely listened to any of his solo work and even less of what he did with BDP. I'll familiarize myself with their discographies once I get some money. Sex and Violence seems like a good place to start now that I've seen the 13 and Good video a couple times.

I fuck with the song on a technical level. I like the structure, production, and his delivery. Content wise though

, this is one of the most scust-worthy tracks I’ve heard in a long time.

1) Sympathizes with a rapist
2) Friends seem more concerned with KRS catching a case than the safety of the child
3) Her dad is upset, not because his daughter was just violated, but that he didn’t get to participate

Track is demonic.

BTW, does everyone here know that KRS released and album earlier this year?

King of the Ol' Skool

Looks like trash. No one even bothered to write a Wikipedia page.

As for the Bambaataa situation, I’m glad those he abused have been courageous enough to come forward. It sucks that someone with such a big impact on the culture could be so harmful, but it’s good he didn’t get to take this stuff to his grave. These are our pedophilic heroes.

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #4061 on:** May 28, 2016, 11:19:37 AM »

I can't let the shit slide because it's such a lazy "exposure." Are people so reactionary they believe that KRS would write a song that condones sex with an underage girl, make it a single, shoot a video for it, and have television programming blocks place it on their video countdown? The only rapper vile enough to do anything like that is in jail where he belongs (Sicx...look this piece of shit up and be amazed). The song is doing nothing other than telling you it's a very real occurrence, whether it makes you comfortable or not.

What's killing me though is that this is coming from Star, a dude that got fired from Power 105 for telling DJ Envy "I'll R Kelly your seed fam". But who cares about doing any homework, right?

I'm long removed from being a big enough fan of KRS to fight his battles but I know bullshit when I see it. People are getting played like puppets while this nicca is sitting back like

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4062 on:** May 28, 2016, 01:42:28 PM »

Well it came from a dude who is a certified fucking lunatic, so yeah I absolutely believe KRS would do that

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4063 on:** May 28, 2016, 02:12:29 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2016, 12:33:25 AM

The case for rap production minimalism

6 paragraphs on minimalist production and doesn't mention a single southern artist, hmmmmmmm

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4064 on:** May 28, 2016, 03:54:32 PM »

Star is trash and always has an anterior motive but at the end of the day

He put Africa Bambatty on blast, exposed the Zulu Nation, etc. I can't hate, he gets dap for that. And let's not forget KRS is the one who literally said he doesn't give a fuck who got molested, because hip hop is more important than the lives of children. Fuck him. And KRS is one of my favorite rappers of all time but I gotta throw him in the bushes.

toku · « **Reply #4065 on:** May 30, 2016, 02:11:11 AM »

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4066 on:** May 30, 2016, 02:16:36 AM »

RIP trippy stick's viral campaign. Almost bought one these lol

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4067 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:33:33 AM »

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on May 30, 2016, 02:19:38 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2016, 03:54:32 PM
Star is trash and always has an anterior motive but at the end of the day

lulz

phh if that's a typo it's the most accurate typo ive seen in a minute

toku · « **Reply #4068 on:** May 30, 2016, 08:38:46 PM »

toku · « **Reply #4069 on:** May 31, 2016, 01:28:36 PM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4070 on:** May 31, 2016, 09:49:13 PM »

Quote from: Esch on May 31, 2016, 09:00:55 PM

http://content.jwplatform.com/players/id2wqP2q-tPM80d28.html

Drug dealers anonymous
Y’all think Uber’s the future, our cars been autonomous
Mules move the drums, take ‘em to different spots
We just call the shots by simply moving our thumbs

The KING IS BACK

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #4071 on:** May 31, 2016, 10:02:24 PM »

That beat is filthy

Beezy · « **Reply #4072 on:** May 31, 2016, 10:13:32 PM »

Quote from: Esch on May 31, 2016, 09:00:55 PM

The KING IS BACK

King Push never left.

Syph · « **Reply #4073 on:** May 31, 2016, 10:23:41 PM »

last two lines are basura but besides that it's a dope (heh) track
beat is great too

also
Life made me ambidextrous
Countin’ with my right, whipping’ white with my left wrist

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4074 on:** June 01, 2016, 12:41:58 AM »

shit's boring as fuck to me. also let's all ignore how bad that jay feature is, and that dude finally topped 'planking on a million' for corniest jay line

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4075 on:** June 01, 2016, 08:58:40 AM »

beat is dope
pusha still sounds exactly the same
jay's big punchline was damn daniel

dkdk · « **Reply #4076 on:** June 01, 2016, 09:26:56 AM »

I thought the song was dull enough for Jay to shine. Keep him on beats like this and Jay probably still has another albuns worth of solid bars in him.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4077 on:** June 01, 2016, 11:18:18 AM »

Breaking it down

toku · « **Reply #4078 on:** June 01, 2016, 03:04:57 PM »

Best thing about that beat is just how interesting it is. Greatest crime of this era is how rap "sound" became homogenized. This shit sounds like a mid 90s uk trip hop beat. It's great.

Side Note: I'm still made more ppl didn't hear the G-Side One album and just totally ape that sound and take it further

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seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #4079 on:** June 01, 2016, 03:08:48 PM »

write two paragraphs reading too much into a subpar line in a wack verse and accuse someone else of taking the too serious brehs

and yes, using a meme that has already been forgotten as a punchline so that his verse is instantly dated is indeed 2016 jay z to a t

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Author Topic: Hip Hop (Read 728204 times)