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« Reply #5160 on: July 25, 2023, 11:34:05 PM »
Superman/Batman
Let's see his birth certificate. :hmph

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« Reply #5161 on: July 25, 2023, 11:36:43 PM »
Oh, Krypton blew up and all its birth records just happened to be destroyed. ::)

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« Reply #5162 on: July 26, 2023, 12:15:53 AM »
Superman/Batman
Let's see his birth certificate. :hmph

In Superman: Man of Steel 80's comic, a bad storm happened immediately after they found Clark. They were cut off from the rest of Smallville for until the snow melted so everyone figured Martha gave birth to him. Clark was given a genuine birth certificate.
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« Reply #5163 on: July 26, 2023, 12:55:04 AM »
Yeah, right, the fabricated one from Kansas, but let's see the real long form one from Krypton that has his real name Kal-El on it.

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« Reply #5165 on: July 26, 2023, 03:01:33 PM »
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« Reply #5166 on: July 26, 2023, 03:54:18 PM »
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
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« Reply #5167 on: July 26, 2023, 05:29:03 PM »
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.

What do you mean I'm not helping?

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« Reply #5168 on: July 26, 2023, 06:23:33 PM »
Did China-loving Turtleface Mitch just SH*T his pants during this press conference or was there another reason he completely froze up like Bidens laptop? Guess he no longer has what it takes to lead our great party or maybe he never did. :trumps
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« Reply #5169 on: July 26, 2023, 10:30:24 PM »
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
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« Reply #5170 on: July 27, 2023, 10:48:04 AM »
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« Reply #5171 on: July 27, 2023, 11:42:07 AM »
I still think Trump wins the nom but he's been coasting lately. If he had a legit contender he'd be in trouble, but I just don't buy DeSantis having the balls or talent to take him down. Trump is barely even running a campaign, it's just nonstop bitching online.
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« Reply #5172 on: July 28, 2023, 05:50:05 AM »
I still think Trump wins the nom but he's been coasting lately. If he had a legit contender he'd be in trouble, but I just don't buy DeSantis having the balls or talent to take him down. Trump is barely even running a campaign, it's just nonstop bitching online.

I agree.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5173 on: July 28, 2023, 11:05:07 AM »
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« Reply #5174 on: July 28, 2023, 12:30:19 PM »
aliens are real

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« Reply #5175 on: July 29, 2023, 02:13:52 AM »
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/26/hisd-to-eliminate-librarians-turn-libraries-into-discipline-centers-at-28-campuses/

Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?
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« Reply #5176 on: July 29, 2023, 06:46:35 AM »
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/26/hisd-to-eliminate-librarians-turn-libraries-into-discipline-centers-at-28-campuses/

Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?

Ignorance is strength.

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« Reply #5177 on: July 29, 2023, 06:52:34 AM »
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This comes as part of the new superintendent Mike Miles reform program, New Education System (NES).




This is fucking terrible it doesn't even match the rhythm or the song.
Even in the age of AI these neocon clowns can't meme.  :lol
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5178 on: July 29, 2023, 08:54:29 AM »

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« Reply #5180 on: July 29, 2023, 03:10:09 PM »
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/26/hisd-to-eliminate-librarians-turn-libraries-into-discipline-centers-at-28-campuses/

Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?

Agreed it is despicable.
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« Reply #5182 on: July 31, 2023, 06:13:59 PM »
Bombshell after Bombshell. The walls are closing in.

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1685485239479468032

:trumps :rogan     :six: :social
                          
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1686085203347849217

The regime is done
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« Reply #5183 on: August 01, 2023, 07:35:07 PM »
THIS IS IT BOYS THEY GOT TRUMP
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« Reply #5184 on: August 02, 2023, 12:18:21 PM »
THIS IS IT BOYS THEY GOT TRUMP

We'll see what happens. The co-conspirator stuff is madness.
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« Reply #5185 on: August 02, 2023, 01:27:51 PM »
Bombshell after Bombshell. The walls are closing in.

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1685485239479468032

:trumps :rogan     :six: :social
                           
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1686085203347849217

The regime is done

I think the porn star stuff will only result with a slap on the wrist. But the hording of secret documents, most specifically obstructing their retrieval and of course the crazy Jan 6th stuff. Destroyed by his ego.
 
He could have lived comfortably as an ex-president, be a GOP king maker, enjoy being a mega celebrity and collecting his foreign bribes for services rendered as president. But no, he had to fly closer to the sun.

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« Reply #5187 on: August 02, 2023, 02:10:38 PM »
Gaffigan was not mind blown, lol he was like "shut the fuck up idiot".

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« Reply #5188 on: August 03, 2023, 07:35:07 AM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5190 on: August 03, 2023, 01:51:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/seth_hettena/status/1686750210180198400

"Maybe" ?!?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5191 on: August 03, 2023, 02:36:14 PM »

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« Reply #5192 on: August 03, 2023, 02:52:40 PM »
What a shameless, dishonest, comfortably dumb grifter Jimmy Dore is.
If he wasn't in favor of some leftwing ideas, MAGATs would love him.
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« Reply #5194 on: August 03, 2023, 05:04:02 PM »

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« Reply #5195 on: August 03, 2023, 05:24:50 PM »
Reading Brooks' columns is a waste of time and brain space (dishonest, flawed/twisted logic, willful ignorance). But given that he is an American "conservative" who publicly towed the party line for decades, he absolutely is one of the bad guys here. He and his ilk paved the road for Trump.
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« Reply #5196 on: August 04, 2023, 02:10:39 AM »
https://archive.is/og9fv



Reading Brooks' columns is a waste of time and brain space (dishonest, flawed/twisted logic, willful ignorance). But given that he is an American "conservative" who publicly towed the party line for decades, he absolutely is one of the bad guys here. He and his ilk paved the road for Trump.

Brooks is correct. Liberals' values have led to increased depression, more isolation, corporatism that places values on careers above family. In many ways, the liberal elites are the bad guys. They've forced their values on to all of society with the premise that they alone are correct and that every where forward is better.
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« Reply #5197 on: August 04, 2023, 02:14:21 AM »
CENTRAL FUCKING PARK?!?! What next, homeless encampments at The Ramble and Great Hill? A place to shoot up at Long Meadow in Prospect Park?!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-02/central-park-among-sites-nyc-is-considering-for-housing-migrants
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« Reply #5198 on: August 04, 2023, 12:02:40 PM »
They've forced their values on to all of society with the premise that they alone are correct and that every where forward is better.
This is literally what David Brooks believes. He's always believed that the elite, defined as people like him, are entitled to order all of society to please their personal interests.

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« Reply #5199 on: August 04, 2023, 01:31:54 PM »
They've forced their values on to all of society with the premise that they alone are correct and that every where forward is better.
This is literally what David Brooks believes. He's always believed that the elite, defined as people like him, are entitled to order all of society to please their personal interests.

Yes that's why I said Brooks is correct. Pretty soon it'll be a crime to not put your pronouns in emails. It's a specific type of "progressive" and white that does it.

This is also why I reject things like white feminism. It's them forcing us to believe one paradigm. I'm with the working class on this despite being "educated" and born in a middle class family. The working class is correct on this issue and not everything "progressive" is actually progress.  This is a big reason for my shift: for so long, I thought we - as in liberals - were right. No. We were wrong. Utterly and completely. About everything.
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« Reply #5203 on: August 07, 2023, 01:07:36 PM »
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama

Interview with Obama historian. Good shit.

What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama. I've noticed a two front war on this. On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.

Then there's the obsession with "Obama's women." I can't help but notice obvious racial undertones in this obsession, and it's confirmed with the conflation/comparison between Obama's university girlfriends and MLK's mistress. As if those are the same things. As if this is two black men with one public face, who lived different lives privately with other women. I'd have no issue with delving into previous relationships - something that's common in biographies - if the framing wasn't so deliberately ugly.
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« Reply #5204 on: August 07, 2023, 03:05:31 PM »
What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama.
Shocking:
In 2019, Garrow read Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files about Martin Luther King Jr.[11][12] Garrow wrote an article about King, in part based on his interpretation of the FBI files, which he submitted to the Atlantic, the Washington Post, New York Times and The Guardian, all of which rejected it.[13] The article was published in the now-defunct British conservative magazine Standpoint. Garrow wrote that the files suggest King may have encouraged and failed to prevent sexual violence. He said that he was reassessing his view of King.

Many authors called Garrow's claim unreliable. Garrow's reliance on a handwritten note addended to a typed report is considered poor scholarship by several authorities. Peter Ling of the University of Nottingham pointed out that Garrow was excessively credulous, if not naive, in accepting the accuracy of FBI reports during a period when the FBI was undertaking a massive operation to attempt to discredit King as part of its COINTELPRO activities.[14] Garrow had earlier referred to Ling's work on King, widely considered authoritative, as "thoughtful, perceptive, and thoroughly well-informed".[15] Experts in 20th-century American history, including Jeanne Theoharis, Barbara Ransby of the University of Illinois at Chicago, N. D. B. Connolly of Johns Hopkins University and Glenda Gilmore of Yale University have expressed reservations about Garrow's scholarship. Theoharis commented "Most scholars I know would penalize graduate students for doing this." It is not the first time the care and rigor of Garrow's work has been called into serious question.[16] The long-time civil rights activist Edith Lee-Payne suggested Garrow may have published his work in the area to obtain "personal attention" for himself.[14]


On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.
Amusingly I was going to split this to address both the right and left versions but I realized it's the same exact critique. It rejects history all these people knew at the time. Rightoids know Obama wasn't the origin for any of that stuff because they complained about it before him and they themselves have trumpeted the times Obama has criticized this stuff which he's done multiple times. Lefties have to reject history because Obama himself hasn't moved much and they supported him unconditionally at the time. That guys response about Hillary is especially nutty because Obama was to the left of Hillary in that primary on healthcare, he compromised back towards her position. All the soundbites of Obama attacking personal mandates to buy insurance are from when he was attacking Hillary's plan as not being good enough. And everything really forgets that Obama only had a House for two years, Congressional Democrats wanted to do so much in Biden's first two years because they still remembered 2010 being most of the same people. In 2009-10 they pretty lackadaisically considered themselves to have a new permanent majority, not spending the rest of Obama's terms without the House. (Even though it's what also happened to Bill Clinton.)

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SAMUELS: I talked to the former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak, who was defense minister when the Iran deal was moving toward completion. And I asked him, “Well, what do you think is motivating this? “ And he said, “Well, Barack Obama’s not a normal politician. He is this strange combination of a college professor and a person who has ideas about his place in history. He decided that this deal was going to be the reason Barack Obama was going to be on Mount Rushmore. And that’s the reason that they could never let go.” I think he was right.

GARROW: The irony is that the number one legacy of the Obama presidency is going to be the failure to intervene in Syria and the failure to object to Russia taking Crimea and the Donbas.
These kinds of Bill Kristol type dudes are so annoying and unlike Kristol most of them have no sense of humor. Not launching another illegal war in Syria as the number one legacy. My man assassinated two American citizens, including a minor, without due process along with the massive illegal surveillance program and all this dude can think about is how upset he is that Obama's Libya disaster wasn't repeated elsewhere. :lol

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« Reply #5205 on: August 07, 2023, 03:37:33 PM »
What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama.
Shocking:
In 2019, Garrow read Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files about Martin Luther King Jr.[11][12] Garrow wrote an article about King, in part based on his interpretation of the FBI files, which he submitted to the Atlantic, the Washington Post, New York Times and The Guardian, all of which rejected it.[13] The article was published in the now-defunct British conservative magazine Standpoint. Garrow wrote that the files suggest King may have encouraged and failed to prevent sexual violence. He said that he was reassessing his view of King.

Many authors called Garrow's claim unreliable. Garrow's reliance on a handwritten note addended to a typed report is considered poor scholarship by several authorities. Peter Ling of the University of Nottingham pointed out that Garrow was excessively credulous, if not naive, in accepting the accuracy of FBI reports during a period when the FBI was undertaking a massive operation to attempt to discredit King as part of its COINTELPRO activities.[14] Garrow had earlier referred to Ling's work on King, widely considered authoritative, as "thoughtful, perceptive, and thoroughly well-informed".[15] Experts in 20th-century American history, including Jeanne Theoharis, Barbara Ransby of the University of Illinois at Chicago, N. D. B. Connolly of Johns Hopkins University and Glenda Gilmore of Yale University have expressed reservations about Garrow's scholarship. Theoharis commented "Most scholars I know would penalize graduate students for doing this." It is not the first time the care and rigor of Garrow's work has been called into serious question.[16] The long-time civil rights activist Edith Lee-Payne suggested Garrow may have published his work in the area to obtain "personal attention" for himself.[14]


On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.
Amusingly I was going to split this to address both the right and left versions but I realized it's the same exact critique. It rejects history all these people knew at the time. Rightoids know Obama wasn't the origin for any of that stuff because they complained about it before him and they themselves have trumpeted the times Obama has criticized this stuff which he's done multiple times. Lefties have to reject history because Obama himself hasn't moved much and they supported him unconditionally at the time. That guys response about Hillary is especially nutty because Obama was to the left of Hillary in that primary on healthcare, he compromised back towards her position. All the soundbites of Obama attacking personal mandates to buy insurance are from when he was attacking Hillary's plan as not being good enough. And everything really forgets that Obama only had a House for two years, Congressional Democrats wanted to do so much in Biden's first two years because they still remembered 2010 being most of the same people. In 2009-10 they pretty lackadaisically considered themselves to have a new permanent majority, not spending the rest of Obama's terms without the House. (Even though it's what also happened to Bill Clinton.)

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SAMUELS: I talked to the former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak, who was defense minister when the Iran deal was moving toward completion. And I asked him, “Well, what do you think is motivating this? “ And he said, “Well, Barack Obama’s not a normal politician. He is this strange combination of a college professor and a person who has ideas about his place in history. He decided that this deal was going to be the reason Barack Obama was going to be on Mount Rushmore. And that’s the reason that they could never let go.” I think he was right.

GARROW: The irony is that the number one legacy of the Obama presidency is going to be the failure to intervene in Syria and the failure to object to Russia taking Crimea and the Donbas.
These kinds of Bill Kristol type dudes are so annoying and unlike Kristol most of them have no sense of humor. Not launching another illegal war in Syria as the number one legacy. My man assassinated two American citizens, including a minor, without due process along with the massive illegal surveillance program and all this dude can think about is how upset he is that Obama's Libya disaster wasn't repeated elsewhere. :lol

Exactly, which is why the 2020 primary debates were such a debacle. I've never seen candidates denigrate their (popular) outgoing president the way Obama was treated, and it was the most stark demonstrate of how far certain members of the party have gone left. Specifically the young staffers and "policy" influencers. Meanwhile Biden ran away with the nom while basically just saying "I think Obama was pretty cool." The average MSNBC watching boomer democrat (ie my parents) love Obama. And most younger people like him. It's not a coincidence that he left office very popular and remains so. No amount of twitter-specific griping about diversity (right) or drones (left) will change that.

The funny thing about the professorial critique from the right is that Obama was the exact type of candidate and president republicans want. An ideological, whip smart politician capable of convincing large groups of people to support their policies. They've been stuck running rubes (Reagan, W Bush, McCain, Trump, etc) for decades but they want a true believer who isn't socially distinguished mentally-challenged. Maybe that's why Obama pisses them off so much.

Folks gotta just deal with the reality that the best president of our lifetime will either be Obama or Biden.  :doge
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« Reply #5206 on: August 07, 2023, 04:11:11 PM »
Every 2020 primary debate news cycle was seemingly about how somebody annihilated Biden from the left starting with Kamala BEING THE GIRL ON THAT BUS even as Biden basically never was threatened in the polls by anyone but Bernie who never really attacked him until later on. Then the actual primaries were Buttigieg-Klob-Bloomberg pushing the Biden juggernaut into overdrive as most of those candidates were irrelevant, with Kamala dropping out before the primaries and Warren not even winning her own state (guess she didn't have a plan for that) being the most prominent examples. Blacks especially never went for any of the "left" candidates because despite what the experts tell you Blacks love America and like capitalism, they're upset about it not living up to its promises like most of us are not fundamentally upset about its existence.

Great example of how much of the pundit-politico class doesn't understand their own base. It's one thing for them to botch understanding the R's, it's another when it's the people they're supposedly speaking for. And they did it twice. They completely misfired on Bernie, for much the same reasons as Trump rather than the specifics of the two men, and then overcompensated completely into thinking the far-left academic-non-profit-media elite bubble is the D coalition. And Biden won both primary and general because he rejected their thesis which stemmed from Hillary's campaign and none of these people ever abandoned. That there was a part of the electorate that would jump back either from Trump or from not-voting if you spoke to their issues. Trump was happy to cooperate by both shooting himself over COVID and believing the same "just energize the base" nonsense Hillary and the elites lost with.

Saw kinda the same thing here in Michigan whereas Whitmer put more effort into trying to expand the map into the suburbs rather than writing them off even though the R's were only barely winning them in the first place when the D's didn't nominate candidates who'd only win in the cities. Yet the D's had been doing this for how many years all over the state except in the UP. I can't remember all the times the D's blew wave elections in the suburbs around Lansing because they'd run a leftie before they finally found Whitmer-Slotkin like candidates. Whitmer became my State Senator and Slotkin my House Rep because they said things like "I respect Mike Rogers but strongly disagree with him" rather than how he was a traitor and stuff like prior candidates. :lol

edit: I think the bulk of the population is "center-left" on economics and "center-right" on socialcultural positions, Trump's power in 2015-16 is that through sheer confusion he was able to appear as if he held these positions. He got everything to focus on free trade and immigration, so he appeared to Hillary's left when she championed global capitalism. On the other axis, she and the media were so insistent on portraying him as far-right on all this stuff when a decade earlier he was to her left on everything that it actually helped sell his new conversion to what was actually not the minority position.

Trump has since abandoned all this to chase his cult (and because he never really believed anything in the first place) which, because the Republicans have to chase him, has ceded all that ground to the Biden-Whitmer Democrats and even Obama is more comfortable there than many to his left or even in the same area as him. DeSantis made essentially the error of trying to hop to Trump's socialcultural right when Trump picks all his positions ad hoc and he's one of the few people who can get away with this. The other Republicans can't win because they're stuck to the old center-right Republican economics and in a primary Trump won't cede the opposition grounds. I think DeSantis' socialcultural focus was because he was trying to finagle this to seem loyal to the old guard and also loyal to Trump's idiosyncratic positions that are actually more in line with most Americans.

I think Biden running again is bailing out the Democrats from fighting over this much as Trump is essentially helping the Republicans also avoid this. Now nobody has to learn anything about the Bernie-Trump tag team until 2028 when probably some other candidate is going to surprise all the "experts" by operating within this majority sphere. I'd favor the Democrats as having this candidate simply because everyone else will run so far to the left that it will incentivize a candidate to target that part of the primary. Bloomberg had the right idea but was the wrong guy for it because he's mostly the inverse of this sphere and weird. (Obviously not to my extent in either case.)
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5207 on: August 08, 2023, 02:09:41 PM »
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama

Interview with Obama historian. Good shit.

What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama. I've noticed a two front war on this. On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.

Then there's the obsession with "Obama's women." I can't help but notice obvious racial undertones in this obsession, and it's confirmed with the conflation/comparison between Obama's university girlfriends and MLK's mistress. As if those are the same things. As if this is two black men with one public face, who lived different lives privately with other women. I'd have no issue with delving into previous relationships - something that's common in biographies - if the framing wasn't so deliberately ugly.

I just thought it was an interesting perspective. You claim it's biased. I have no horse in this fight. Even if it's biased, it doesn't take away from the fact it shares an interesting perspective.

As for Obamacare, even that is far from "affordable". It can cost an upward of $500 a month. Hardly affordable. I won't say. it wasn't a legislative victory but as someone that has been on medicaid, I found Obamacare to be wanting in comparison. Of course, this differs from state to state.

I think you're being too sensitive to the interview, although I understand disliking the comparisons with MLK and Obama, I think it comes from the fact he's a public person rather than he's a black man. Other Presidents get similar look at their past loves, whether it's Reagan, Clinton's exploits, JFK's philandering.

I think you're too sensitive to Obama purely because of his blackness. It's understandable, as many black people are similar. But that doesn't mean people can't talk about him or criticize and it having to do directly with his blackness. It comes off as being overly defensive.

I'll admit that for my part, Obama was a pretty good President in hind sight, and I really miss his measured takes and his blue Reaganism, and his penchant to not always voice the latest black topic just because he's a black man, which is what I think is truly needed for today's America. I agree with you that Obama is often pictured as one of the reasons for wokeness and it's not always correct accusation but consider that his administration, supporters, media backers, etc (though very rarely the man himself) all immediately blamed any criticism of him on racism, rather than ever taking the criticism head on. You're even doing it now. But that doesn't and has never reflected his policies or even his temperament or quotes. So while Obama himself didn't support wokeness, those surrounding him (the media, his administration, his supporters) certainly did and absolutely lit flames by taking any criticism aimed at Obama as a racial attack. Obama has always expressed a condemnation of politics of the identity first and foremost. But that's not what this interview is about and I'm not sure why you mentioned it.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5208 on: August 08, 2023, 03:06:19 PM »
From this side of the world Obama seemed mostly like an empty suit, especially during his second term, perfect for that period of nihilism.
I never considered him to be 'woke'.

The most striking bit from Michael Moore's 11/9 documentary about Trumps election is the part where Obama visits Flint Michigan.
While it was already bad that he pretended to drink the water during the televized meeting with the worried residents, he actually put on the same performance during every meeting he had that day.
People genuinely expected Obama came there to help them but he met with the companies and lobbyists, did a quick QA with the locals that had waited all day and told them he drank lead as a kid and got back on his plane.
When Trump arrived later it was an easy win. He toured the plant. Talked to everyone involved and people that wouldn't dream about voting for Trump and still wouldn't, actually felt he had listened to them.

Shortly after the story turns even more dark, as a large live military training is carried out in the polluted area as a sort of final 'fuck you' to those who hadn't moved out.

Obama was also terrible in terms of foreign policy, he fumbled pretty much everything until he replaced Clinton with Kerry. However, we're still paying the price for those costly mistakes.
Removing Gadaffi and trying to topple Assad as well as dragging out Afghanistan did absolutely fucking nothing for security or prosperity. And when there was finally a 'real' genocidal enemy to fight, they had lost their support to act.

But even though he didn't bring the hope and change he promised he could at least speak words. Which already puts him over the current guy by some distance.

I'm not sure if and how the US can be 'saved' from mostly itself but maybe Trump can still prevent WW3.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5209 on: August 08, 2023, 03:36:54 PM »
I have a theory about obama not drinking the glass of flint water.


there is no way they would have served him actual tap water to drink. let's be real here. so why would he purposely not drink water he knows is not from the tap? only way he could play both sides. he was able to show the people of flint not to trust the water, and also not piss off anyone at the other end of that. smart guy
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« Reply #5210 on: August 08, 2023, 03:56:03 PM »
« Last Edit: August 08, 2023, 04:03:49 PM by Nintex »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5211 on: August 08, 2023, 09:17:24 PM »
From this side of the world

RUSSIA?
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« Reply #5212 on: August 08, 2023, 10:25:12 PM »
edit: I think the bulk of the population is "center-left" on economics and "center-right" on socialcultural positions, Trump's power in 2015-16 is that through sheer confusion he was able to appear as if he held these positions. He got everything to focus on free trade and immigration, so he appeared to Hillary's left when she championed global capitalism. On the other axis, she and the media were so insistent on portraying him as far-right on all this stuff when a decade earlier he was to her left on everything that it actually helped sell his new conversion to what was actually not the minority position.

This 100%. Every word.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5213 on: August 08, 2023, 10:43:43 PM »
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1689081014063173632

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2023/ohio-issue-1/

GOP getting wrecked in Ohio tonight, a prelude to November when the abortion vote will occur (and they'll get wrecked again).
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« Reply #5214 on: August 09, 2023, 06:01:05 PM »
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1689394930693599232

No wonder the economy is in the shitter.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5215 on: August 15, 2023, 12:21:42 AM »
THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON DONALD TRUMP
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5216 on: August 15, 2023, 01:05:05 AM »
It’s the beginning of the motherfucking end y’all
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« Reply #5217 on: August 15, 2023, 05:37:05 AM »
They brought out Hillary Clinton, you know it's fucking over.

https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1691264086607085568
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #5218 on: August 15, 2023, 06:24:08 AM »




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