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[Himu]

What happened to comics? ( i never read a comic)

Speculator comics flooding the market, for the most part. Expensive gimmick covers, multipart storylines which went on forever and you HAD to buy everything to understand what was going on, multiple shitty spinoff titles, that kind of thing. Comic shop owners overordering and getting stuck with piles of comics like the return of Superman storyline, Image comics titles going for like a year between issues and people losing interest. Tons of startup companies popping up overnight to cash in on the boom and producing absolute shit that they expected people to pay upwards of $5 for (and this was the 90s, remember) just because they slapped a hologram cover on it.

the parallels to me are:

Gimmick covers = "limited" editions and preorder bonuses
Neverending crossovers = DLC and microtransactions
Delayed issues and titles = Delayed games
Retailers over ordering = same
Upstarts flooding the market with crap that has no hope of selling anywhere other than a bargain bin
Both thinking every game/comic has to command top dollar

While you have a lot of points, the gaming industry has what the comic industry didn't have, or had but wasn't as sucessfull: an indie scene. Minecraft is huge on 360 and pc and phones and it's indie. Angry Birds? Indie. Indie games are ACTUALLY SELLING thanks to dd services. Did american comics have that? I find Toxic Adam's comparison surprisingly more apt though you raise A LOT of on point parallels, namely the point of reaching for top dollar.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Assassin's Creed 3 did like triple what Assassin's Creed games normally do; nearly 3 million.  I guess the change in setting or something really paid off.

It's the setting.

How did it do in Europe though?

[Steve Contra]

What happened to comics? ( i never read a comic)

Speculator comics flooding the market, for the most part. Expensive gimmick covers, multipart storylines which went on forever and you HAD to buy everything to understand what was going on, multiple shitty spinoff titles, that kind of thing. Comic shop owners overordering and getting stuck with piles of comics like the return of Superman storyline, Image comics titles going for like a year between issues and people losing interest. Tons of startup companies popping up overnight to cash in on the boom and producing absolute shit that they expected people to pay upwards of $5 for (and this was the 90s, remember) just because they slapped a hologram cover on it.

the parallels to me are:

Gimmick covers = "limited" editions and preorder bonuses
Neverending crossovers = DLC and microtransactions
Delayed issues and titles = Delayed games
Retailers over ordering = same
Upstarts flooding the market with crap that has no hope of selling anywhere other than a bargain bin
Both thinking every game/comic has to command top dollar

While you have a lot of points, the gaming industry has what the comic industry didn't have, or had but wasn't as sucessfull: an indie scene. Minecraft is huge on 360 and pc and phones and it's indie. Angry Birds? Indie. Indie games are ACTUALLY SELLING thanks to dd services. Did american comics have that? I find Toxic Adam's comparison surprisingly more apt though you raise A LOT of on point parallels, namely the point of reaching for top dollar.

So comics aren't apt, because there wasn't a big indie scene, but broadcast television is?

[Himu]

I guess when I made the post, I was thinking cable would be "indie" in this case, though I know that's not the case.

[Great Rumbler]

Also, the games industry has Kickstarter

[Purple Filth]

apparently ZombiU was a bomb 

"A bit less"? Would love to know your definition of 'a bit' and where you heard that from.

I'd say its more like 'a gulf,' personally.

so much for dat 3rd party exclusive i guess

[Cerveza mas fina]

Also, the games industry has Kickstarter

Yeah I haven't seen people pony up for comics or movies up front.

I think games we like will always be there with things like this.

[Tasty]

Someone really needs to WikiLeak the hell out of NPD.

[Eel O'Brian]

There actually was big indie scene in comics back in the 90s, but most of the "indie" companies that cropped up  (Valiant, Malibu, Topps Comics, etc) focused on overhyped mainstream superhero knockoffs. There was always Fantagraphics, Dark Horse, etc. for an indie fix - those had already been around for years, but the price points were the same. There wasn't a cheaper indie alternative, true.

[Great Rumbler]

Hotline Miami was one of the coolest games this year and it only cost $10.

[maxy]

1.2 games per console

heh

[Cerveza mas fina]

Word GR, its far from mainstream but hotline is amazing.

[Huff]

Zombiu launch less than 1/2 Red Steel.

I guess even nintendo fans sometimes dont make the same mistake twice

[tiesto]

What happened to comics? ( i never read a comic)

Speculator comics flooding the market, for the most part. Expensive gimmick covers, multipart storylines which went on forever and you HAD to buy everything to understand what was going on, multiple shitty spinoff titles, that kind of thing. Comic shop owners overordering and getting stuck with piles of comics like the return of Superman storyline, Image comics titles going for like a year between issues and people losing interest. Tons of startup companies popping up overnight to cash in on the boom and producing absolute shit that they expected people to pay upwards of $5 for (and this was the 90s, remember) just because they slapped a hologram cover on it.

the parallels to me are:

Gimmick covers = "limited" editions and preorder bonuses
Neverending crossovers = DLC and microtransactions
Delayed issues and titles = Delayed games
Retailers over ordering = same
Upstarts flooding the market with crap that has no hope of selling anywhere other than a bargain bin
Both thinking every game/comic has to command top dollar

Oh man I remember Image Comics back in my 1 year where I was into comic collecting... Pitt, Spawn... that was like the epitome of 90's...

[Stoney Mason]

I think the parallel is more towards broadcast television. The major players will all be there and still very valuable entities, but the measuring stick of what is considered a 'success' will be greatly diminished.

Consumer dilution across the board. But there will still be a select few titles that breakout and sell millions and millions.

I think as long as there are 14-20 year old males, there will always be a market for a dedicated console. It's the perfect tool for escape and filling up hours of your time.

This is also roughly how I feel. At least for the upcoming generation. After that we will see how the internet and cloud stuff is progressing.

[Phoenix Dark]

whoa NSMB WiiU bombed

[maxy]

Uk Charts,this time we got Halo 4 number

‘Call of Duty: Black Ops II’ takes the crown for a 4th week at No1 (-15%).

It becomes the 4th title to hold four consecutive weeks at the top of our All Formats Chart in 2012 along with both FIFA 12, FIFA 13 and Lego Batman 2 (which has 5 weeks). ‘Far Cry 3’ (-8%) holds the No2 ahead of EA’s ‘FIFA 13’ (+18%) which stays at No3 despite a strong increase in sales. Retailer promotions continue to propel ‘Just Dance 4’ (+54%) up the chart from No6 to No4 ahead of another Ubisoft title ‘Assassin’s Creed III’ (+10%) at No5. ‘Hitman Absolution’ (-3%) slips to No6 while ‘Halo 4’ (52,340 / +36%) climbs a spot to No7.

A strong sales push sees ‘WWE ’13’ (+124%) back into the Top 10 at No10. Further down the chart the release of Sega’s ‘Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed’ (+39%) on PS Vita sees the title continue its week on week climb to No16. There’s also a debut for ‘Paper Mario Sticker Star’ new for Nintendo 3DS at No40.

Week 49, 2012 - Individual Formats (Units)

01 (01) 360 Call Of Duty: Black Ops Ii (Activision Blizzard)
02 (04) WII Just Dance 4 (Ubisoft)
03 (02) PS3 Call Of Duty: Black Ops Ii (Activision Blizzard)
04 (03) 360 Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
05 (05) 360 Halo 4 (Microsoft)
06 (06) 360 Fifa 13 (Electronic Arts)
07 (09) 360 Assassin's Creed Iii (Ubisoft)
08 (12) PS3 Fifa 13 (Electronic Arts)
09 (08) PS3 Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
10 (07) 360 Hitman Absolution (Square Enix Europe)
11 (10) PS3 Hitman Absolution (Square Enix Europe)
12 (13) PS3 Assassin's Creed Iii (Ubisoft)
13 (32) 360 Wwe '13 (Thq)
14 (24) PS3 Need For Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
15 (15) PC Football Manager 2013 (Sega)
16 (19) 360 Need For Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
17 (20) 3DS New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo)
18 (17) 360 Lego The Lord Of The Rings (Warner Bros. Interactive)
19 (18) WII Skylanders Giants (Activision Blizzard)
20 (__) PS3 Wwe '13 (Thq)
21 (29) 360 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda Softworks)
22 (22) PS3 Book Of Spells (Sony Computer Ent.)
23 (21) 360 Forza Horizon (Microsoft)
24 (30) 360 Forza Motorsport 4 (Microsoft)
25 (26) NDS Moshi Monsters: Moshlings Theme Park (Mind Candy)
26 (28) 360 Skylanders Giants (Activision Blizzard)
27 (11) WiiU Nintendo Land (Nintendo)
28 (__) WII Just Dance Disney Party (Ubisoft)
29 (33) 3DS Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo)
30 (31) PS3 Lego The Lord Of The Rings (Warner Bros. Interactive)
31 (37) 360 Medal Of Honor: Warfighter (Electronic Arts)
32 (35) 3DS Professor Layton And The Miracle Mask (Nintendo)
33 (23) WII Lego The Lord Of The Rings (Warner Bros. Interactive)
34 (__) PS3 Medal Of Honor: Warfighter (Electronic Arts)
35 (40) 3DS Super Mario 3d Land (Nintendo)
36 (14) WiiU New Super Mario Bros. U (Nintendo)
37 (25) 360 Dishonored (Bethesda Softworks)
38 (__) 360 Dance Central 2 (Microsoft)
39 (__) 360 F1 2012 (Codemasters)
40 (__) NDS Paper Mario Sticker Star (Nintendo)

[Cerveza mas fina]

Jeeeeeeesuuuuus wii u software is tanking.

[archnemesis]

You can't expect software to sell if no one is buying the hardware.

I have forgotten. Do the UK charts include bundled games in the chart? With Nintendo Land ranking higher than Mario, I suppose that is about the total amount of Wii Us sold. The vast majority prefer the Premium bundle.

[Third]

whoa NSMB WiiU bombed

And I'm glad it did.

Such a lazy product.

[maxy]

Do the UK charts include bundled games in the chart?

Yes.

[Tasty]

Nintendoland > NSMBU? UKers have fricking awful taste, wow. And no I don't care Nland was bundle.

whoa NSMB WiiU bombed

And I'm glad it did.

Such a lazy product.

Fantastic level design, doesn't deserve to bomb at all. Should it do NSMB DS/Wii numbers? Debatable but it's a very solid game, easily the best New game.

[Takao]

Wonderbook outsold all of the Wii U games

[Joe Molotov]

Football Manager

Steam > WiiU

[maxy]

Japan sales(2 days)

http://www.gamekult.com/actu/japon-les-premiers-chiffres-wii-u-A106415.html

1.   New Super Mario Bros. U    WiiU    160.140
2.   Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate    WiiU    106.454
3.   Nintendo Land    WiiU    66.583
4.   ZombiU    WiiU    10.680
5.   Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper    WiiU    7.252
6.   Tekken Tag Tournament 2    WiiU    4.951

307,471 WiiU sold

[Cerveza mas fina]

Wonderbook outsold all of the Wii U games

Wonderbook is a much better product with higher production values then those nintendo games combined, id buy it for my kid too over a wiiu game.

[Third]

Vita sold more 

First week numbers from other hw

PS2: 630,552
GBA: 611,504
NDS: 441,485
Wii: 371,936
3DS: 371,326
PSV: 321,407

And Nintendo wants to sell 5.5mln WiiU units by april next year. LOL. How about no

[Joe Molotov]

Other Japanese console debuts:

PS2: 630,552
GBA: 611,504
NDS: 441,485
Wii: 371,936
3DS: 371,326
PSV: 321,407

[Sho Nuff]

The question is, are there any Weeoos left in stock in the land of the rising sun

Or is it simply the case that the market has changed and Weeoo has no Uguu

[Takao]

That makes both the UK and Japan where Wii U has debuted worse than Vita.

[Third]

WiiU has been such a disaster so far. Everything has been just horrible.  Unreliable hardware and shitty software? Nintendo has got you covered!

I smell another 3DS scenario, only with more doom and gloom. Huge pricecut coming before summer.

[Mr. Gundam]

Weeoo has no Uguu

Love it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Well vita has better games then Wiiu so it makes sense too.

[Cerveza mas fina]

  that was my fav thread last few days.

[bork]

Weeoo has no Uguu

[archie4208]

Football Manager

Steam > WiiU

I can't wait for Steambox to outsell Wii U.

Gaben

[Takao]

 So the Wii U launched well everywhere. Did someone page the Doom Brigade to spin these numbers into doomed?

[Third]

Has it reached 1mln yet? Is there a sales breakdown?

[Joe Molotov]

So the Wii U launched well everywhere. Did someone page the Doom Brigade to spin these numbers into doomed?

I paged the whaaambulance for immediate dispatch to 321 Neogaf Lane.

[DCharlieJP]

Is Wii U still sold out?

no - at least in Shinjuku it's in stock everywhere.

[Sho Nuff]

XFE U LIAR!! PIX OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

[cool breeze]

It's kind of a shame, tbh.  I wanted the Vita or Wii U to be successful just to move Japan out of the PS2-age.  Now the 3DS is yet another outlet to just keep making (admittedly cheaper) PS2 games  :'(

Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest aren't out yet, right? even so, NSMB games are as popular in Japan as in the states, no?

[DCharlieJP]

the funniest part is that Sofmap have a huge stock of the machines behind the counter, but when you try to buy one they are only available if you sign up for Flets Hikari for 2 years! lol.

Walk round the corner to Yamada - there we go, units. Walk to Yodobashi - units. Walk to Bic - units.

Tards.

[Purple Filth]

So the Wii U launched well everywhere. Did someone page the Doom Brigade to spin these numbers into doomed?

You should read the rest of his posts 

[pilonv1]

XFE U LIAR!! PIX OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

[Joe Molotov]

Fake.

[Eel O'Brian]

lazy retailers

[AdmiralViscen]

Probably empty demo boxes

[Purple Filth]

XFE U LIAR!! PIX OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

(Image removed from quote.)

thats some mighty photoshop skills you got there.



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[pilonv1]

who's Frenchy?

[DCharlieJP]

Man, i seem to have upset a whole slew of sensitive flowers for daring to suggest that the WiiU might not sell above the Vita's launch.

I wasn't even trolling, it's just a prediction based on what i see happening here (no marketing, no demo units, limited adverts, no buzz, preorders still available after 3 months sitting on shelves etc). I didn't even mention the Vita, it was THOSE arseholes who said "SO it's GOING TO SELL LESS THAN THE VITA?! YOU TROLL HOW DARE YOU !!!!"

but nooooooooooo - it has to be some hidden agenda. I love how , even though Frenchy's 300k figure is below the Vita launch 3 days, that there's "0.0001% chance" the WiiU won't outsell the Vita over the same relative periods. Loool.

Some people are going to need therapy come Jan 2013.

[Oblivion]

NSMBU is sorta a lazy effort, but I didn't want it to bomb that hard. Granted, it's a 2D Mario game so it may have legs.

Still, if the game doesn't do as well as Nintendo expected, maybe they'll finally ditch that shitty style with the next 2D title.

[Purple Filth]

now i'm really hoping for vita like weekly numbers just to see the tears 

[cool breeze]

I can't believe this is coming as such a surprise to anyone.  But I've gone up and down this several times now.

Double my pleasure, though.  It's been joyous watching the Vitards twisting in the wind this year, I'll gladly take a second helping of that next year with Nintard Tear dressing.

Funny thing is that both the Vita and Wii U are like "throw mud at wall, see what sticks" approaches.  And nothing stuck!

Now to see if Sony and Microsoft will learn from the mistakes of 2012's failures with their next consoles. 

NSMBU is sorta a lazy effort, but I didn't want it to bomb that hard. Granted, it's a 2D Mario game so it may have legs.

Still, if the game doesn't do as well as Nintendo expected, maybe they'll finally ditch that shitty style with the next 2D title.

NSMBU is so lazy, aesthetically, and also so great, game-wise.  I almost want to say it wasn't laziness, but Nintendo was just playing it incredibly safe to cash in on the past successes of the NSMB series.  I can't tell if there are even new songs in NSMBU.

Nintendo didn't want to change the recipe, is what I'm saying.

[Sho Nuff]

Wait, it did those kinds of numbers with a Mohan game at launch?

[Cerveza mas fina]

What are the odds of Ninty hitting one out of the park next year? A mario with rayman quality visuals, im not talking some core new ip even lol.

[archnemesis]

I'm guessing it will take years for Nintendo to update their art assets to look on par with something like Rayman. It took Ubisoft three years and a 100+ team to complete it.

[maxy]

Now to see if Sony and Microsoft will learn from the mistakes of 2012's failures with their next consoles. 

I think Vita has clearly shown that it's not enough to just have games,you need must have system seller games,games that sell millions.And you also need new business models,$60 fire&forget model is going the way of the Dodo.

As for WiiU,if UK market is any indication,people are not biting

some numbers for this week

01 (01) 360 Call Of Duty: Black Ops Ii (Activision Blizzard)
02 (04) WII Just Dance 4 (Ubisoft)
03 (02) PS3 Call Of Duty: Black Ops Ii (Activision Blizzard)
04 (03) 360 Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
05 (05) 360 Halo 4 (Microsoft) - 52,340
06 (06) 360 Fifa 13 (Electronic Arts)
07 (09) 360 Assassin's Creed Iii (Ubisoft) - 32,030
08 (12) PS3 Fifa 13 (Electronic Arts)
09 (08) PS3 Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
10 (07) 360 Hitman Absolution (Square Enix Europe) - >29,441
11 (10) PS3 Hitman Absolution (Square Enix Europe) - <26,099
12 (13) PS3 Assassin's Creed Iii (Ubisoft) - 24,912
13 (32) 360 Wwe '13 (Thq)
14 (24) PS3 Need For Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) - <23,553
15 (15) PC Football Manager 2013 (Sega)
16 (19) 360 Need For Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts) - <20,936
17 (20) 3DS New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo)
18 (17) 360 Lego The Lord Of The Rings (Warner Bros. Interactive)
19 (18) WII Skylanders Giants (Activision Blizzard) - <18,578
20 (__) PS3 Wwe '13 (Thq) - <16,045
21 (29) 360 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda Softworks)
22 (22) PS3 Book Of Spells (Sony Computer Ent.)
23 (21) 360 Forza Horizon (Microsoft)
24 (30) 360 Forza Motorsport 4 (Microsoft)
25 (26) NDS Moshi Monsters: Moshlings Theme Park (Mind Candy)
26 (28) 360 Skylanders Giants (Activision Blizzard) - <10,556
27 (11) WiiU Nintendo Land (Nintendo)
28 (__) WII Just Dance Disney Party (Ubisoft)
29 (33) 3DS Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo)
30 (31) PS3 Lego The Lord Of The Rings (Warner Bros. Interactive)
31 (37) 360 Medal Of Honor: Warfighter (Electronic Arts)
32 (35) 3DS Professor Layton And The Miracle Mask (Nintendo)
33 (23) WII Lego The Lord Of The Rings (Warner Bros. Interactive)
34 (__) PS3 Medal Of Honor: Warfighter (Electronic Arts)
35 (40) 3DS Super Mario 3d Land (Nintendo)
36 (14) WiiU New Super Mario Bros. U (Nintendo)
37 (25) 360 Dishonored (Bethesda Softworks)
38 (__) 360 Dance Central 2 (Microsoft)
39 (__) 360 F1 2012 (Codemasters)
40 (__) 3DS Paper Mario Sticker Star (Nintendo)

[maxy]

Famitsu numbers,slightly different from that French stuff

Wii U - 308,570
NSMBU - 170,563
MH3G HD Ver. - 110,149
Nintendo Land - 78,461

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201212/11025760.html

[Tasty]

What are the odds of Ninty hitting one out of the park next year? A mario with rayman quality visuals, im not talking some core new ip even lol.

Zero.  We might see a very pretty 3d Mario game though.

I'd pay full price for SMG1+2 HD collection while EAD Tokyo works their magic on a true sequel. Even though they've had problems with Dolphin, they still look fantastic in HD.