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[tiesto]

I bought my FGC/JRPG machine for 300 dollars via Amazon Black Friday sale. The power of waiting. If only it came with Ultra SFIV and not fucking Uncharted. I could not care any less about replaying those games at this point though I love 2 and could speed run it like a total special fellow back when it came out. <3 never played 3 tho.

Before I tell myself I regret this, I now have all the tools for SFV, which is the main reason I'm buying it. Got me a ps4 on the way, and already got myself a fightpad.

I now also have a means to play this WITCHER game people keep talking about but lol there's no chance I'll have time to play it because I'm dedicated to getting awesome at SF at this point which requires dedication.

Have you played the other Witchers? Good shit, probably my favorite western RPGs outside of the Ultima series. I still have to try the 3rd though.

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I have Witcher 2 but my computer chugs running it. With Cdpr did a Witcher 2 ps4 port but oh well.

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No need to play w1 and w2 at this point, just start at 3

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Fuck, I forgot you have to pay for psn now. Does ps4 come with free months of ps plus?

[Positive Touch]

only if u never had it before

[Tasty]

http://www.businessinsider.com/target-online-sales-break-record-2015-11

The Wii U is BACK!

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wrong thread

[chronovore]

To be fair, it's only released on half its intended platforms. Most true gamers are probably waiting for the PS4 version next fall.

Yeah, this is me. And I think a number of people jumped from 360 to PS4 instead of Xbone this gen.

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Tomb Raider 200k on xbone and 360 combined

[Trent Dole]

Just fucking let tomb raider die already.

[Positive Touch]

Just fucking let tomb raider die already.

:| the last one was one of the biggest sellers in the franchise and most likely the only reason this one bombed is bc is was an exclusive that went up against Fallout. GTFO

[Trent Dole]

Fine, but I think it's weird that people are still into Indian Jones with tits.

[Joe Molotov]

Fine, but I think it's weird that people are still into Indian Jones with tits.

Why do you think that's weird? People like Indiana Jones and they like tits.

[mormapope]

Tomb Raider 2013 was Rambo Part 2.
Rise of the Tomb Raider is Indiana Rambo.

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Btw the Order 1886 sold more the TR2

MS picking those exclusives well  :'(

[Rahxephon91]

Fine, but I think it's weird that people are still into Indian Jones with tits.

It's weird that people like quality action adventure games? Ok, that doesn't make sense. I mean Uncharted is popular and while these new Tomb Raider games are good versions of the Uncharted formula(some aspects even better such as combat in the first one) they also do the exploration angle far better.

Rise was a good game, it was also more of the same. I really wish the game would embrace survival mechanics. Take some inspiration from MGS3.

It was a terrible time to release it though. In between some of the biggest multi player series with single player followings and one of the years biggest rpg? Bad idea for a simply good single player action game.

[tiesto]

I never played the reboots because them going in the Uncharted linear scripted action direction instead of the trap-dodging, puzzle-solving of the earlier TR games turned me off.

Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light is the best game in the franchise...

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So wrong wrath goddamn but I guess you werent born in  1996, or maybe 5 or something and playing Mario

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Replaying Tomb Raider past 1996 doesnt make sense, if you werent there at the time you just can't judge really. Game aged horribly.

First Uncharted was ok, third one had the greatest setpieces imho.

While were at it only Halo 1 and Gears 1 are amazing. I did enjoy Gears 2 but 3 was zzz.

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My bad I thought you were like 5/6 then

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Oh then no wonder you thought it sucked 

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Oh I agree I hate that excuse too but I think it holds up sometimes.

I remember plenty or complex games i sucked at as a kid (Alone in the Dark) i thought were cool and some i thought sucked.

Of course you can dislike the game. But if you played Prince of Persia years earlier, and then got TR in 3D you would be more impressed. For you the game exists in a vacuum as you just started gaming.

 Also Silent Hill is from 1999. Thats a whole generation almost of devs working in 3D, really not a fair comparison.

Re is not even close to the level of complexity of TR, just prerendered backgrounds. Good comparison would be Mario 64 which had amazing controls (go Nintendo and tech innovation)

[BrokenVerses]

From GAF

US launch month

Tomb Raider [All Formats] - 644,000
Rise of the Tomb Raider [All Formats] - 201,000 (-69%)

Bonus:

Tomb Raider [Xbox 360] - 348,000
Rise of the Tomb Raider [Xbox One] - 175,800 (-49%)
Rise of the Tomb Raider [Xbox 360] - 25,200

UK first week launch

(100%)

Tomb Raider [All Formats] - 206,500
Rise of the Tomb Raider [All Formats] - 44,000 (-79%)

Bonus:

Tomb Raider [Xbox 360] - 103,000
Rise of the Tomb Raider [Xbox One] - 37,400 (-64%)
Rise of the Tomb Raider [All Formats] - 44,000 (-57%)

[mormapope]

Those numbers make a lot of sense. Tomb Raider in 2013 was released on two consoles that each had huge consumer bases. Even if it was released on PS4 it probably would've still fallen a bit short due to how many current gen console owners there are right now.

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does the new tomb raider have survival elements yet? It's a very obvious and good addition and also would help distinguish it from uncharted. pls let me eat wolves and raid tombs rather than shoot mans. 

I played all of them from back then and have replayed some recently. I always thought they sucked.

if you always thought tomb raider sucked: a) why did you play all of them and b) why did you replay some recently?

[mormapope]

Based on what I've read and seen, mechanically its identical to Tomb Raider 2013 with a lot more tombs/ruins and more puzzles.

[brob]

a step in the right direction I guess, hope it sells well enough that they can iterate further so I can raid tombs and eat wolves.

[Great Rumbler]

Those numbers make a lot of sense. Tomb Raider in 2013 was released on two consoles that each had huge consumer bases.

It launched on PC, too.

[thisismyusername]

Eh, the original Tomb Raider and 2 was amazing for the time. It even had decent platforming. Running jumps were 3 squares away. Regular jumps: 2 or so. You could figure out the platforming easily. Lara's character wasn't cranked up to overkilling sex-pot until after the second where the character/Core blew up and Eidos pulled an Ubisoft on the series.

I haven't finished the Crystal Reboot nor the Re-Reboot yet. I need to get on doing that last one of the reboot. I didn't mind that reboot, personally. Outside of the muddled family history that Crystal decided to throw in.

@Wrath: Tomb Raider 2 is a classic and I won't hear different.

Those numbers make a lot of sense. Tomb Raider in 2013 was released on two consoles that each had huge consumer bases.

It launched on PC, too.

Yeah, but the numbers don't include the PC platform?

[brob]

Keep in mind that I lived in the golden age of piracy around here and those games were 1$ a pop. So it wasn't difficult to find or too much money to spend to try them out at my leisure and curiosity.

the money is whatever, I was more thinking about the obvious waste of time it would be to keep playing a game you're not enjoying. I've been meaning to play Legend at some point, cus I think that might be the good one to replay, but I can't really be bothered.

[mormapope]

Games are a pretty weird medium when it comes to returning to stuff you played in the past. I played through Half Life 2 on the original Xbox and the 360, thought it was average/good but nothing special. I just finished a playthrough and now its definitely one of my favorite games of all time.

As we get older we appreciate things differently, while also being a lot more impatient when it comes to other things.

[Mupepe]

Eh, the original Tomb Raider and 2 was amazing for the time. It even had decent platforming. Running jumps were 3 squares away. Regular jumps: 2 or so. You could figure out the platforming easily. Lara's character wasn't cranked up to overkilling sex-pot until after the second where the character/Core blew up and Eidos pulled an Ubisoft on the series.

I haven't finished the Crystal Reboot nor the Re-Reboot yet. I need to get on doing that last one of the reboot. I didn't mind that reboot, personally. Outside of the muddled family history that Crystal decided to throw in.

@Wrath: Tomb Raider 2 is a classic and I won't hear different.

Judging distances by squares.



I can relate though

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Tomb Raider anniversary is really good for what it's worth.

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Whoops, wrong thread

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PS4 hit 30.2 million sold through before Xmas and Black Friday

35.9 million sold through now

Beast mode

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Germany numbers

LT sales:
[PS4] 2,800,000 (68%)
[WIU] 690,000 (17%)
[XB1] 600,000 (15%)

[Trent Dole]

Hahaha beaten by the fucking WiiU

[thisismyusername]

Hahaha beaten by the fucking WiiU

That DRM reveal fucked them so hard. Nobody wants the X-box after that reveal. Even though they have backpedaled and tried to bring goodwill back, the damage has been done.

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France:

PS4: 2.15 Million
WiiU: 742K
XBO: 715K

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The Bone is Microsoft's last console.  Even during the 360 heyday, Microsoft had to defend keeping the Xbox 360 around to shareholders.  It just isn't a big money maker.

Sony as a whole has yet to get out of junk bond status even though PS4 is doing well.

This is still the last console generation.

[tiesto]

99 Bones sold last week in Japan 

[Take My Breh Away]

The Bone is Microsoft's last console.  Even during the 360 heyday, Microsoft had to defend keeping the Xbox 360 around to shareholders.  It just isn't a big money maker.

Sony as a whole has yet to get out of junk bond status even though PS4 is doing well.

This is still the last console generation.

All it takes is Microsoft hitting the panic button and going for "If it works on Windows 10, it works on Xbox and vice versa" and consoles are done. Good fucking luck to Sony if they think they can pull "It can also be on PC but Linux Only" because Valve fucked up and Khronos group are playing politics again with Vulkan (This time the wheel is on "Nvidia's fault" and will spin around to AMD or Intel come GDC when they announce another delay)

Next gen is probably going to be branded W10 or Linux pre-built form factors as reference models. The age of consoles is over 

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The Bone is Microsoft's last console.  Even during the 360 heyday, Microsoft had to defend keeping the Xbox 360 around to shareholders.  It just isn't a big money maker.

Sony as a whole has yet to get out of junk bond status even though PS4 is doing well.

This is still the last console generation.

All it takes is Microsoft hitting the panic button and going for "If it works on Windows 10, it works on Xbox and vice versa" and consoles are done. Good fucking luck to Sony if they think they can pull "It can also be on PC but Linux Only" because Valve fucked up and Khronos group are playing politics again with Vulkan (This time the wheel is on "Nvidia's fault" and will spin around to AMD or Intel come GDC when they announce another delay)

I've re-read this multiple times and still can't garner what the fuck you mean.

Valve is fighting with Vulcan? Where's ambassador Spock?

So you're saying MS will just repackage consoles as pcs? Is that what you're saying?

Just really confusing post.

[Trent Dole]

I was going to do a joke post saying 'TurboGrafx-16 is NEC's last console!' but they did a JP only machine after that. Every gen is the last console gen. People like physical discs and broadband ain't what it should be all over the states and so gaming based in physical media is probably not going to be uh, going anywhere for a while still.

Just really confusing post.

Definitely a pile of nonsense but you can't deny the greatness of this gif.

[Take My Breh Away]

The Bone is Microsoft's last console.  Even during the 360 heyday, Microsoft had to defend keeping the Xbox 360 around to shareholders.  It just isn't a big money maker.

Sony as a whole has yet to get out of junk bond status even though PS4 is doing well.

This is still the last console generation.

All it takes is Microsoft hitting the panic button and going for "If it works on Windows 10, it works on Xbox and vice versa" and consoles are done. Good fucking luck to Sony if they think they can pull "It can also be on PC but Linux Only" because Valve fucked up and Khronos group are playing politics again with Vulkan (This time the wheel is on "Nvidia's fault" and will spin around to AMD or Intel come GDC when they announce another delay)

I've re-read this multiple times and still can't garner what the fuck you mean.

Valve is fighting with Vulcan? Where's ambassador Spock?

So you're saying MS will just repackage consoles as pcs? Is that what you're saying?

Just really confusing post.

Yes. I just mean MS and Sony and Nintendo will repackage consoles as PC's. Or to make a non-distinguished mentally-challenged less buzzword version

Microsoft are in a position where everything on xbone can be made available on PC and every future Xbox just be a W10 PC with Xbox branding that runs anything you throw at it would be a viable option. They would lose revenue in license fees from 3rd party publishers outside of their own store but it would give them control of the core gaming ecosystem and the final "Fuck you" to Sony and Nintendo who would have no response option other than to start moneyhatting everything in comparison to MS getting games on their console by default or just give up and go to PC. Consumers would then have the choice of buying a console (Which at that point, USB-C Thunderbolt ports may have taken off and it would be feasible to "Upgrade" your console components with a co-processing unit like Razer Core) or building their own gaming system. 

Vulkan is a competing API to Direct X and supposedly the silver bullet that would "make linux gaming popular" by the company that created OpenGL. The final version been constantly delayed and the developer has a bad habit of blaming everyone but themselves for it (Recently they are claiming Nvidia hasn't made a back end for it and Nvidia's claiming Vulkan is nowhere near release ready). It has no release in sight and games using it are not likely to appear till late 2017/18.

With Valve made their own Linux OS. It's terrible and a bad advertisement for linux gaming (You can get much lighter and better distros) on top of people's waning trust of Valve's brand. If Sony started moneyhatting 3rd party exclusives with "Only on Linux" in response to Microsoft tearing down the wall between PC and Xbox. No sane publisher or developer would agree to it and it would destroy the concept of 3rd party exclusives.

In summary. There is no option but to adopt PC gaming in the future from a practical and financial standpoint. If Microsoft starts killing the distinction between console and PC. It's going to force a massive change for the entire industry and focus it towards the PC gaming model as traditional locked down ecosystem consoles wouldn't be able to survive against a model where you can just play anything, anywhere.

And Mobile Gaming still will be a beast

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Hahahhaa Microsoft is in the position

Hahahaha

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I just see Microsoft dropping Xbox consoles in 2018 or 2019.  The Xbox brand may live on but as a cloud gaming service or whatever Microsoft is messing around with at that time.  Then eventually the Xbox name goes away when Microsoft inevitably rebrands it once they find that the Xbox name doesn't mean much in the 2020s.

I could see Sony stretching the PS4 out as long as the PS3 if not longer.  If (and this is a big if) Sony makes a PS5, it probably won't be out until 2021 at the earliest.

Nintendo will keep pumping out new consoles and handhelds every 4-5 years because they want to put out a new NSMB or Mario Kart; the reason why they release one of those games per console/handle per generation is that they can't get away with minor upgrades that they could get away with if it was a new device.  As a result, Nintendo will likely keep putting out new hardware so long as they are creatively bankrupt.  Nintendo consoles will never move more than 15-20 million units.  It is a reliable 15-20 million because it's the same manchildren buying the latest and greatest NSMB game so they can get a stiffy at the latest nostalgic inclusion of a new item or a new gameplay mechanic that is ripped from Super Mario Bros 3 or Super Mario World.

[Tasty]

The Bone is Microsoft's last console.  Even during the 360 heyday, Microsoft had to defend keeping the Xbox 360 around to shareholders.  It just isn't a big money maker.

Sony as a whole has yet to get out of junk bond status even though PS4 is doing well.

This is still the last console generation.

All it takes is Microsoft hitting the panic button and going for "If it works on Windows 10, it works on Xbox and vice versa" and consoles are done. Good fucking luck to Sony if they think they can pull "It can also be on PC but Linux Only" because Valve fucked up and Khronos group are playing politics again with Vulkan (This time the wheel is on "Nvidia's fault" and will spin around to AMD or Intel come GDC when they announce another delay)

Next gen is probably going to be branded W10 or Linux pre-built form factors as reference models. The age of consoles is over 

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This GIF is brilliant.

I don't see MS or Sony getting out of the race. Microsoft loves tossing the "Xbox" brand onto other shit ("Xbox Music," rly? Also "Cortana" for smartphones, etc.) because it's their only entertainment brand that has stuck even a little.

Sony also has very few solid consumer products left. I could see them ending the PS line if they were to split the company up or whatever, but as it stands the PS4 is Sony's only actual success of the past 5 years.

Nintendo is of course off snuffing glue in the corner, but their cash reserves and conservative board mean they can do "risks" like Amiibo and smartphone games to juice the bottom line while still middling around sales-wise for their systems for at least another 10 years I think. The only scenario that would disrupt this is if some kind of corporate takeover happened. Though I suppose the new CEO could be a wildcard, should be interesting what kind of moves he makes compared to Iwata.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

I want consoles, and yes, even handheld consoles to stick around if for nothing else then to act as a bulwark against the encroaching mobile takeover of the gaming industry.

the PC market can't, and I don't believe it ever really will become bigger then mobile is now or will be in the future. Nor do I really see the utterly shitty 'monetization' models for mobile gaming going away either. People who buy gaming-capable computers, or even computers in general will never be a bigger market to game makers then phones/tablets, and the PC game market looks a hellava lot poorer without the multi-platform development model that it enjoys now.

Traditional publishers who want to keep that model have incentive to keep it around. So I'm hoping, and believing, that there will be a place for consoles in the future.

[mormapope]

The main thing that would change if consoles get phased out is game devs wouldn't push PC hardware nearly as much. Every AAA dev or publisher would have to release more modest games that sell well due to word of mouth or really simple games that have a hook. Game budgets would become much lower due to less demand and having to make a game that works on all modern hardware that isn't juiced up.

Basically everyone would have to play by rules that PC only developers have been following the entire time.

It would be a huge reset.

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I want consoles, and yes, even handheld consoles to stick around if for nothing else then to act as a bulwark against the encroaching mobile takeover of the gaming industry.

the PC market can't, and I don't believe it ever really will become bigger then mobile is now or will be in the future. Nor do I really see the utterly shitty 'monetization' models for mobile gaming going away either. People who buy gaming-capable computers, or even computers in general will never be a bigger market to game makers then phones/tablets, and the PC game market looks a hellava lot poorer without the multi-platform development model that it enjoys now.

Traditional publishers who want to keep that model have incentive to keep it around. So I'm hoping, and believing, that there will be a place for consoles in the future.

Why are you scared of mobile? What mobile games have you played?

[VomKriege]

Guys aren't you forgetting to factor SteamBoxes as the game changer ?

Joke aside, I guess they would actually have more of a place in a market where consoles would be bodysnatched with Windows/Linux prebuilt standards.

All it takes is Microsoft hitting the panic button and going for "If it works on Windows 10, it works on Xbox and vice versa"

Didn't they sorta tried starting something like that with GFWL ?

I don't see MS or Sony getting out of the race. Microsoft loves tossing the "Xbox" brand onto other shit ("Xbox Music," rly? Also "Cortana" for smartphones, etc.) because it's their only entertainment brand that has stuck even a little.

Not an insider by any means but Microsoft is to me one of the companies most susceptible to actually just re-tool/dump something not performing to expectations, to the point of just rolling back or discontinuing services to consumers pretty abruptly. I don't think they are that commited to the survival of the "Xbox brand", certainly not as much as Sony is with Playstation. If it dies, Microsoft will just bankroll another few Titanics before finding one that sticks, I guess.

[Take My Breh Away]

Guys aren't you forgetting to factor SteamBoxes as the game changer ?

Joke aside, I guess they would actually have more of a place in a market where consoles would be bodysnatched with Windows/Linux prebuilt standards.

All it takes is Microsoft hitting the panic button and going for "If it works on Windows 10, it works on Xbox and vice versa"

Didn't they sorta tried starting something like that with GFWL ?

I don't see MS or Sony getting out of the race. Microsoft loves tossing the "Xbox" brand onto other shit ("Xbox Music," rly? Also "Cortana" for smartphones, etc.) because it's their only entertainment brand that has stuck even a little.

Not an insider by any means but Microsoft is to me one of the companies most susceptible to actually just re-tool/dump something not performing to expectations, to the point of just rolling back or discontinuing services to consumers pretty abruptly. I don't think they are that commited to the survival of the "Xbox brand", certainly not as much as Sony is with Playstation. If it dies, Microsoft will just bankroll another few Titanics before finding one that sticks, I guess.

Steam Boxes launched the same day as Fallout 4 and Rise Of The Tomb Raider. Guess which "Flop" people talked about (Then got butthurt when it sold over a million)

GFWL was a separate service and a complete clusterfuck that no one wants back. Especially as it was completely separate from Xbox but they tried bringing the same concepts over. What I'm trying to get at is that if Microsoft said "No more barriers between PC and Console. Same executable on Windows 10 runs on Xbox and you own it everywhere". 3rd parties and indies would cream their pants and it would be an "Uh-Oh" moment for Sony and Nintendo. Especially trying to buy timed exclusivity would get a lot more expensive and that would open the market further for Dell or even Nvidia to make their own "Xbox" along with Microsoft having their own box. Especially since there's been pretty significant advances in USB-C Thunderbolt technology. "Upgradeable" consoles are possible next gen.

Also, Windows 10 games currently supposed to just run with the Xbox app like Steam would. The problem with the app is that it just puts layers of confusion by opening the windows store app instead of going directly in the Xbox app. But it's really lightweight and fast. It boots quicker than steam for most PC games for me, so I use it a fair bit more than I expected to. It's not bad, but it needs a lot more work.

[thisismyusername]

Wait, Steamboxes sold over a million!?

Too many suckers buying into that Linux ecosystem when Valve's distro of it certainly isn't ready.

[VomKriege]

Wait, Steamboxes sold over a million!?

Too many suckers buying into that Linux ecosystem when Valve's distro of it certainly isn't ready.

Nah I think it's either Fallout or ROTR. Steambox is a total trainwreck, I never understood how some could take with a straight face the idea that Valve could compete in a cutthroat hardware mass market. It doesn't have the manpower or even the intent.

[Take My Breh Away]

Wait, Steamboxes sold over a million!?

Too many suckers buying into that Linux ecosystem when Valve's distro of it certainly isn't ready.

Like VK says. It was Tomb Raider that didn't flop. At least the console stans bitched about it and generated a ton of traffic and media buzz for it (Because it's a actually really good AAA Popcorn game and word of mouth likely helped it). Steam Machines were such a flop you have to remind people they came out and flopped harder on the same day. 

ROTR's doing healthy on Steam so far, so Square got away with it, it seems.

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Lol ROTR prob needs to sell a few million to break even

[Great Rumbler]

Lol ROTR prob needs to sell a few million to break even

The previous Tomb Raider sold something like 3-4 million and S-E was still disappointed by those numbers.