THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: MyNameIsMethodis on July 01, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
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Am I the only one who gets so fucking mad at the japafags trying to portray America as the big bad guys in this whole ordeal? Specifically this thread at GAF:
here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168001)
You can see all the Japafags defending Japans action on killing Americas military, yet god forbid America fight back it's the worst thing in the world. It's just ridiculous. Especially this moron Zeeb, who seems to think that the Japo's were preparing a apology before the bombings."Noooo, the Japo's were writing down the statement, not hurrying research of a new A-Bomb to attack America next!"
If you supported Japan in WW2, then you're a c--t. FACE
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Wow.
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rodi!
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It just infuriates me to no end. It's ridiculous.
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Well, thats awfully nationalistic
Attacking a military base shouldn't have resulted in us killing thousands and thousands of civilians
But hey! It was a great way to use them two ol' bombs as a test bed in a real world situation!
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Yes it should've. The civilians are as guilty as the army personell. It's not like the Japanese didn't kill civilians also.
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rodi!
Yeah, USO rocks.
Back to the topic though, it really is hard to justify killing and harming civilians. I mean, that's jacked up.
(holy crap, there's a singer here really fucking up "sweet home alabama" right now >:()
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Yes it should've. The civilians are as guilty as the army personell. It's not like the Japanese didn't kill civilians also.
:dizzy
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How do we know those civilians weren't pigs? That they ENCOURAGED Japan's attack on America? If they did they deserved it. if they didn't, they shouldn't have been living in Japan, but in America.
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... They should've fled to America, where we were holding Japanese civilians in internment camps?
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I mean HAPPY FUN SUMMER VACATION CAMP.
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... They should've fled to America, where we were holding Japanese civilians in internment camps?
Why couldn't they just say they're chinese?
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The A-bomb use on Japan hurried the end of the war before russia could attack Japan. In the end Japan should thank us for not letting Russia get into that theater and divide Japan in half like Germany.
Who fucking cares anyway. Its not like Pear Harbor was a bunch of rainbows and cotton candy. War sucks. It happend over 60 years ago. Japan is now a great country. They have nothing to complain about.
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How do we know those civilians weren't pigs? That they ENCOURAGED Japan's attack on America? If they did they deserved it. if they didn't, they shouldn't have been living in Japan, but in America.
Good night. Holy crap.
... really, you're from GAF aren't you? ::)
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So basically, you wanted them to illegally immigrate to America?
So if you're a civilian for Japan, your choice is to stay and by living where your family has lived for hundreds of years you are basically admitting that you're an evil war machine puppet and deserve nuclear annhiliation... or flee illegally to a foreign country whose inhabitants are pretty much racist towards any Asian-looking person with little in the possibility of avoiding internment camps or creating a life for your children (or yourself).
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Who fucking cares anyway. Its not like Pear Harbor was a bunch of rainbows and cotton candy. War sucks. It happend over 60 years ago. Japan is now a great country. They have nothing to complain about.
A GREAT country it is, but they STILL bring up the fact that they where "victims" and that everyone should symphosize with them. Maybe I'm just a disgruntled war veteran, but I don't think they're the victims; america is.
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America came out of World War II with the least amount of casualties, plus it brought us out of the Depression and made us a super power. How are we victims?
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So basically, you wanted them to illegally immigrate to America?
So if you're a civilian for Japan, your choice is to stay and by living where your family has lived for hundreds of years you are basically admitting that you're an evil war machine puppet and deserve nuclear annhiliation... or flee illegally to a foreign country whose inhabitants are pretty much racist towards any Asian-looking person with little in the possibility of avoiding internment camps or creating a life for your children (or yourself).
No it was a statement, not an intention. I said if they were pigs who encouraged the attack on Pearl Harbor then they deserved it. I forgot abouyt the internment camps and thought that they'd have better lives in America. Just replace America with like...North Korea or some other country thats friendly to the japanese at the time.
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America came out of World War II with the least amount of casualties, plus it brought us out of the Depression and made us a super power. How are we victims?
We lost a military base and great war ships. We were the victims of terrorism. What were Japan victims of? Revenge?
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Are you crazy dude?
Nobody in Asia was friendly to Japanese at the time - their military was running amuck around the continent terrorizing and torturing civilians. If you were a civilian in Japan, no country was going to really accept you with open arms.
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We lost a military base and great war ships. We were the victims of terrorism. What were Japan victims of? Revenge?
If detonating a nuclear device on two civilian cities is your idea of an eye for eye, then your moral compass is seriously screwed up, dude. Seriously.
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Well then maybe they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Those people didnt deserve to die. It was the army militia, and the civilians who encouraged the attack.
This is similiar to people thinking Iraq are victims. Do you really think everyone at 9/11 Two Towers thought Iraq was bad and pigs and encouraged all the things US did to them? No. They made a terrorism attack and got revenge. There should be no symphony for them or Japan. At the time of the respective events the country was barbarians. What would have happened if Japan instead decided to Kamikaze a major city? Would people still feel bad about the A-Bombs?
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We lost a military base and great war ships. We were the victims of terrorism. What were Japan victims of? Revenge?
If detonating a nuclear device on two civilian cities is your idea of an eye for eye, then your moral compass is seriously screwed up, dude. Seriously.
Seriously :rofl
Oh god! We lost a War ship! Eye for an eye? No, eye for a life!
What would have happened if Japan instead decided to Kamikaze a major city? Would people still feel bad about the A-Bombs?
1) How do you Kamikaze a city?
2) You also have to think about proportionality
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Well then maybe they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Those people didnt deserve to die. It was the army militia, and the civilians who encouraged the attack.
This is similiar to people thinking Iraq are victims. Do you really think everyone at 9/11 Two Towers thought Iraq was bad and pigs and encouraged all the things US did to them? No. They made a terrorism attack and got revenge. There should be no symphony for them or Japan. At the time of the respective events the country was barbarians. What would have happened if Japan instead decided to Kamikaze a major city? Would people still feel bad about the A-Bombs?
WAIT WHAT
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We lost a military base and great war ships. We were the victims of terrorism. What were Japan victims of? Revenge?
If detonating a nuclear device on two civilian cities is your idea of an eye for eye, then your moral compass is seriously screwed up, dude. Seriously.
1 for 1, and 1 for showing htem they shouldn't have fucked with the most powerful country at the time - America. Did you seriously expect America to just stop at 1 bomb and let Japan have the next move? This isn't Advance Wars!
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We lost a military base and great war ships. We were the victims of terrorism. What were Japan victims of? Revenge?
If detonating a nuclear device on two civilian cities is your idea of an eye for eye, then your moral compass is seriously screwed up, dude. Seriously.
Seriously :rofl
Oh god! We lost a War ship! Eye for an eye? No, eye for a life!
What would have happened if Japan instead decided to Kamikaze a major city? Would people still feel bad about the A-Bombs?
1) How do you Kamikaze a city?
2) You also have to think about proportionality
So you condone the attacks on the war ships and air base taking thousands of military and casual lives?
1) Go ask Osama Bin Laden and his team that took down America on September 11
2) I dont even know what proportionality means. :(
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2) I dont even know what proportionality means. :(
If the Japs took out 1,000 citizens and we came back and took out 90,000. Does that seem right to you?
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THIS AINT NO ADVANCE WARZ
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I'ma upgrade my Kamakizie Pilots! +10 Plane movement. I can now hit Redmond, WA!
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I'ma upgrade my Kamakizie Pilots! +10 Plane movement. I can now hit Redmond, WA!
Why would the japanese kill their own people in Redmond, WA?
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2) I dont even know what proportionality means. :(
If the Japs took out 1,000 citizens and we came back and took out 90,000. Does that seem right to you?
It's more when you consider that each American soldier represents the lives of 5 American Civilians. So say the Jap's killed 200,000 US Soldiers, in effect they killed 200,000 US Civilians potential lives.
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WAIT WHAT
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Ay dios mios, what da fug
MyNameIsMethodis is blatantly just trollin WWII Japan!
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Why would I beat a dead horse?
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yur crazie
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Are you implying that I'm a nut? I'm crazy in the coconut?
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Maybe I'm just a disgruntled war veteran,
:rofl
You just graduated from highschool.
okay, I had to do something and then come back. Holy shit.
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1)The atomic bombings were justified given the situation in the Second World War.
2) This Methodis guy seems more distinguished mentally-challenged than nintenho.
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Maybe I'm just a disgruntled war veteran,
:rofl
You just graduated from highschool.
CANT YOU SEE IM DISGRUNTLED!
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CANT YOU SEE IM DISGRUNTLED!
at the non-illegal immigrant japanese?
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can we go back to the part where Iraqi civilians are responsible for the 9/11 attacks
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can we go back to the part where Iraqi civilians are responsible for the 9/11 attacks
this thread is about the evil japafags on gaf
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CANT YOU SEE IM DISGRUNTLED!
at the non-illegal immigrant japanese?
Who ever said that? I disagreed with the japafags who portrayed Japan as this poor victim country.
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Muslims, Japas, Mexicano...they're all the same..trying to take our jobs and blow up various large skyscrapers
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Muslims, Japas, Mexicano...they're all the same..trying to take our jobs and blow up various large skyscrapers
Probably the smartest thing you've said all day. Just add the Iti's and you're good to go.
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:dur
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if anything, japanese should be grateful, as it's very likely that the atomic bomb conferred a number of genetic mutations that've resulted in the ability to push technology and science at a faster rate than other nations.
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if anything, japanese should be grateful, as it's very likely that the atomic bomb conferred a number of genetic mutations that've resulted in the ability to push technology and science at a faster rate than other nations.
Exactly. We're pretty much responsible for Shigery Miyamoto and Kaz Kuturagi.
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Who ever said that? I disagreed with the japafags who portrayed Japan as this poor victim country.
I know but I'm talking about the fegs that didn't go to their friendly ally, china. Nobody would have known. It takes like a DAY with a motorboat to get there.
can we go back to the part where Iraqi civilians are responsible for the 9/11 attacks
That was labeled by THE BEST GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD as an AXIS OF EVIL. They deserve to be invaded. Russia should be next.
Shane Kim is smarter than those two, he's chinese...or is he?
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Shane Kim is a terrorist for working at Microsoft. Amirite guyz lololol?
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Who ever said that? I disagreed with the japafags who portrayed Japan as this poor victim country.
I know but I'm talking about the fegs that didn't go to their friendly ally, china. Nobody would have known. It takes like a DAY with a motorboat to get there.
Exactly, they would've fit right in. Wish we americans had 100% perfect camoflauge.
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what the fuck?
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what the fuck?
Are you insuitiang that I would like to play a game of Lucky Hit?
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I was making fun of how distinguished mentally-challenged your argument was and was going to pull your leg for a while but you seriously seem like a dumb motherfucker. There is NO logical argument you have given on this subject or people with different viewpointgs. Happy independence day, good luck insutianging.
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I was making fun of how distinguished mentally-challenged your argument was and was going to pull your leg for a while but you seriously seem like a dumb motherfucker. There is NO logical argument you have given on this subject or people with different viewpointgs. Happy independence day, good luck insutianging.
I don't like you mister.
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I agreed with you Methodis for the reason that it prevented Russia from splitting up Japan. That would have been pretty bad.
You also have to realize, if we didn't drop the bomb, we would have lost thousands of americans invading Japan.
If you were Truman at the time, would you pick.
Option A: Drop the bomb and end the war, while showing the Russians that America means business.
Option B: Invade Japan, costing thousands of americans and Japanese soldiers their lives? Who knows if it would have even been successful.
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Do you think Japan would've lost as much if not more people if AMerica invaded them?
Better yet, do you believe that BS about Japan getting ready to surrender? I don't. I bet they where funding their atomic bomb development even more.
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Im pretty sure Japan wasn't gong to surrender at that point. In fact the Japanese people didn't even consider it until they heard the emperor come on the radio and declared the war lost.
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FoC, nintenho, and Methodis arguing about history as if they know what the fuck they're talking about?
This thread is what needs to be nuked. :'(
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Excuse me but I have a PHD in Japanese Historyu.
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i have a phd in internet
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Lets share PHD stories.
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i won the internet thanks to this degree i got from the university of dartmouth montana
best sixty bucks i ever spent except for that one night in baja, almost got a degree in cheeseburger surprise i did
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i won the internet thanks to this degree i got from the university of dartmouth montana
:lol :lol :lol
can we go back to the part where Iraqi civilians are responsible for the 9/11 attacks
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I don't understand why people get so up in arms over the A-bomb thing. Not only was it necessary, it was just Japan. It's not like they have made any truly considerable additions to society. Heck, in yesterday's Doctor Who, all of Japan was DESTROYED and burned into ash, and you didn't hear anyone else in the world bitching about WAH WAH WAH THE TOCLAFANE DIDN'T HAVE TO OBLITERATE JAPAN. Fuck Japan WWII apologists.
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i did my master's work in burger king; sadly, my thesis was stolen and now i hold an internet grudge
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A-Bombs saved lives on both sides. War is war. blah.
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A-Bombs saved lives on both sides. War is war. blah.
Dude, you're wrong - America are victims and Japanese are all pigs that deserved nuclear annhilation! Also, Iraqi civilians are responsible for 9/11 attacks!
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I SAW GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES AND IT MADE ME CRY SOOOOOO MUCH
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F' all yall pragmatics
:cry :cry
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Theres a report stating how every person in Iraq had a town meeting before 9/11. They played chess, checkers and devised 9/11
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I SAW GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES AND IT MADE ME CRY SOOOOOO MUCH
:lol
Winnar
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i did my master's work in burger king; sadly, my thesis was stolen and now i hold an internet grudge
I got my PHD last night in your moms room; the Phuck Her Deeply degree!
(http://users.adelphia.net/~tc2001/kipyes.gif)
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i won the internet thanks to this degree i got from the university of dartmouth montana
:lol :lol :lol
can we go back to the part where Iraqi civilians are responsible for the 9/11 attacks
How are they not responsible? Are far as I can see, they all bread the terrorists and they elected Osama Bin Ladin as the vice president to Saddam.
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Thats kinda silly.
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They bread all the terrorists, MAF! U DONT UNDERSTEAND
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Am I going senile in my old age?
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JAPAFAGS!
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They bread all the terrorists, MAF! U DONT UNDERSTEAND
That is why we have to turn them to TOAST. :punch
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They bread all the terrorists, MAF! U DONT UNDERSTEAND
That is why we have to turn them to TOAST. :punch
Then we can grind up all the insurgeons and use them as jelly on the toast
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That is why we have to turn them to TOAST. :punch
So why are we sending soldiers over there? LET'S SEND NUKES! *maniacal laughter*
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Am I going senile in my old age?
Judging the powerless by the actions of those in power isn't very just.
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Am I going senile in my old age?
Judging the powerless by the actions of those in power isn't very just.
So the other countries who say America is fat dont have the right to say it because they're judging off of george bush?
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buh what?
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So the other countries who say America is fat dont have the right to say it because they're judging off of george bush?
Not so much. George Bush isn't in power of people's weight and dietary habits. Unfortunately most people these days are lazy, eat way too much unhealthy food, and don't exercise. Add all that together and you get a fatty.
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So the other countries who say America is fat dont have the right to say it because they're judging off of george bush?
Not so much. George Bush isn't in power of people's weight and dietary habits. Unfortunately most people these days are lazy, eat way too much unhealthy food, and don't exercise. Add all that together and you get a fatty.
Nuh-uh
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Nuh-uh
Your counter-argument is clearly superior. You win!
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That's what my PHD paid for.
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got my PHD last night in your moms room; the Phuck Her Deeply degree!
Gasp - i heard about this too.
You gave her a good 10 inches.
which meant you had to fuck her 10 times.
Still deeper then your accumulated value of .5 inches!
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I dont understand you japafag.
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...
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Average length is like 5.5-6.0 inches anyways. Meh.
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IRL my penis is only about 4 inches :(
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i think i've figured out where all your hatred comes from japan.
with your tiny penis issue, it's been eating you up in side for years.
I've got reliable intel that in order to placate the voices inside you that nag at you about your small cock, that you'd go check out the local Ju Jitsu dojo so you could get that confidence of knowing that you were at least more manly than those stupid 'japs'
However, the view from the showers left you aghast as you realised you don't even stand up to these teenage yellow fellows.
So you have started a campaign of revenge... to smite out everything Japanese... to call to arms to possibly get the whole country nuked.
What would be a much better plan, of course, would be for you to marry someone japanese and hope the combination of your small cock genes and her small cock genes would possibly result in a child with an even smaller cock so you could at least work your way off the bottom of the pile.
Ganbatte!
You put way too much thought and effort into that.
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No my plan is to recruit a team of japanese freaks with whom I can create a terrorist organization that- after 40 fucking years- still trys to create a giant fucking out of place mech that will try and destroy the US, but -like the last 1000 times - we get shot down by a true Americana Hero by the name of Snake.
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I dont understand you japafag.
i think i've figured out where all your hatred comes from japan.
with your tiny penis issue, it's been eating you up in side for years.
I've got reliable intel that in order to placate the voices inside you that nag at you about your small cock, that you'd go check out the local Ju Jitsu dojo so you could get that confidence of knowing that you were at least more manly than those stupid 'japs'
However, the view from the showers left you aghast as you realised you don't even stand up to these teenage yellow fellows.
So you have started a campaign of revenge... to smite out everything Japanese... to call to arms to possibly get the whole country nuked.
What would be a much better plan, of course, would be for you to marry someone japanese and hope the combination of your small cock genes and her small cock genes would possibly result in a child with an even smaller cock so you could at least work your way off the bottom of the pile.
Ganbatte!
You surely have alot of words to say for a japafag. Perhaps those words would be better spent sticking up for Japan as the "victim" of WW2!
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While the A-Bombs saved lives in the long run, I would consider anyone that died from them victims. If you weren't lucky enough to be in the deadly blast radius you spent the rest of your life dying slowly as your organs liquified.
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Killing 80,000 Jap Pigs who advocated the bombings on Pearl Harbor != tradegy but a victory.
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That's it, youre getting a day.
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this thread hurts my head :meeble
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Killing 80,000 Jap Pigs who advocated the bombings on Pearl Harbor != tradegy but a victory.
Holy fuck I hope you're a joke poster.
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Most of his posts so far have been on the level, which means he probably believes it in his heart of hearts; which is fine, just keep it off the forum.
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wow, now we're censoring objectionable views?
the fuck?
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Im censoring the use of 'jap pigs'.
If you wanna wage your little forum civil rights war Futami, go for it.
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wow, now we're censoring objectionable views?
the fuck?
uh, you already don't have to sit in the back of the bus anymore, when will it be good enough for YOU PEOPLE? :-*
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wow, now we're censoring objectionable views?
the fuck?
I'm sorry, celebrating 80,000 deaths should definitely not be frowned upon. You're so right.
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Im censoring the use of 'jap pigs'.
If you wanna wage your little forum civil rights war Futami, go for it.
ok, you're right, that was a bit too oa-esque.
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it was more FDR that supported the nuclear bomb project, truman didn't even know there was an atomic bomb being made. Japan knew of the possibility of making a nuclear bomb but they didn't WANT to. The reasoning given for dropping the bomb was that it would save MILLIONS, not thousands of lives. Russia has absolutely nothing to do with this. Japan didn't do shit compared to what Germany did to them and that's why the rest of the allies let Russia take Berlin. Did Russia even have troops in the Pacific?
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The bombs weren't dropped for revenge, good lord. You children are amazing.
Have you never heard the ancient wisdom "never get involved in a land war in asia?" If not, watch the Princess Bride.
I'm not sure it's the choice I would have/could have made, but it def wasn't like Truman was all "OMG USA ROX EAT THIS JAPAN!"
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. Japan knew of the possibility of making a nuclear bomb but they didn't WANT to.
Uh, Japan had a rudimentary nuclear program too.
Russia has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Oh, Russia was certainly in the back of the American officials minds.
Did Russia even have troops in the Pacific?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_August_Storm
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well they basically came in after the war was over and japan didn't see a point in focusing on making a nuclear bomb.
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but it def wasn't like Truman was all "OMG USA ROX EAT THIS JAPAN!"
:lol
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This thread gives me a headache.
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While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants. Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives. Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.
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well they basically came in after the war was over and japan didn't see a point in focusing on making a nuclear bomb.
Post WWII? It was hardly Japan's choice not to produce nuclear weapons then. ::)
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I mean they knew how to make a bomb before the war started but they either couldn't or didn't want to build the facilities to make a bomb.
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I mean they knew how to make a bomb before the war started but they either couldn't or didn't want to build the facilities to make a bomb.
oh. Well, in that case, you're wrong and a moron.
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While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants. Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives. Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.
OMG Tauntaun made a real post! :spin :hyper
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While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants. Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives. Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.
OMG Tauntaun made a real post! :spin :hyper
:lol :lol When I first met my wife it was a little bit before we had a serious conversation and she was surprised because I talked in a normal voice about serious stuff. It happens. ;)
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oh. Well, in that case, you're wrong and a moron.
Did they even have enough silver in the country to make the wires for the magnetic seperation process?
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oh. Well, in that case, you're wrong and a moron.
Did they even have enough silver in the country to make the wires for the magnetic seperation process?
(http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_11/images/map1.jpg)
I'm pretty sure there was plenty of silver within the red borders.
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10,000 tons just laying around in one spot? I know the U.S. treasury had that and that's how the U.S. was able to do it but there's a reason all the nuclear facilities were built by the U.S. in WW2.
I'm just pretty sure I heard Japan wasn't seriously looking at building the bomb, do you know if that part's true or not?
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I'm just pretty sure I heard Japan wasn't seriously looking at building the bomb, do you know if that part's true or not?
Of course I do. Because unlike you, I don't spout off on a topic if I DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT IT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_atomic_program
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I read about it a long time ago, it was Germany that gave up on their nuclear weapons program but Japan, according to the sourceless article you posted, had no where near enough people or facilities to make a nuclear bomb especially since there was nobody to supply them with uranium after Germany surrendered.
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I read about it a long time ago, it was Germany that gave up on their nuclear weapons program but Japan, according to the sourceless article you posted, had no where near enough people or facilities to make a nuclear bomb especially since there was nobody to supply them with uranium after Germany surrendered.
The fact that they weren't close to making a bomb, doesn't mean they weren't seriously trying to do so.
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methodis was saying something about them funding the atomic bomb development more. I think the government knew they were years away from making a bomb.
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While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants. Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives. Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.
there's simply no equivalency to be drawn between the loss of life that MAY have ensued after an invasion and the instant incineration of tens of thousands of civilians by the deployment of the atomic bomb.
morally speaking, i would have taken my chances with an invasion.
use of the a-bomb was a cruel, insane act of terror.
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iirc the united states was even surprised at the devastation. Im not ENTIRELY sure the use of the second bomb was required, but the 1st bomb would have been dropped by someone eventually, and from a certain point of view the bomb was 'used well' as horrible as that sounds.
Its neat to get all moral high ground but War bends most ideals to their breaking point. You argue that people are animals and people pushed to their limit are all capable of crazy things when it comes to a pro wrestler, but you can't seem to see even a remote bit of justification in the use of the a-bomb to end the second world war.
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While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants. Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives. Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.
there's simply no equivalency to be drawn between the loss of life that MAY have ensued after an invasion and the instant incineration of tens of thousands of civilians by the deployment of the atomic bomb.
morally speaking, i would have taken my chances with an invasion.
use of the a-bomb was a cruel, insane act of terror.
Taking a chance? Your a fucking idiot. Tell that to the tens of thousands of soldiers that would have died.
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On both sides. Add to that the very good chance a much longer lasting animosity would exist between Japan and America over the shared loss of life.
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Can someone post the plan that was proposed as an alternative to the A-Bomb? I can never remember the name.
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WORLD WAR 2.5
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Can someone post the plan that was proposed as an alternative to the A-Bomb? I can never remember the name.
The invasion plans?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_downfall
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iirc the united states was even surprised at the devastation. Im not ENTIRELY sure the use of the second bomb was required, but the 1st bomb would have been dropped by someone eventually, and from a certain point of view the bomb was 'used well' as horrible as that sounds.
Its neat to get all moral high ground but War bends most ideals to their breaking point. You argue that people are animals and people pushed to their limit are all capable of crazy things when it comes to a pro wrestler, but you can't seem to see even a remote bit of justification in the use of the a-bomb to end the second world war.
i never said there wasn't a justification to be found in the bomb's deployment.
justification can be found anywhere, i think, even that which we take moral umbrage with.
i said there is no equivalency between invading japan and dropping a bomb that saw scores of civilians wiped out in a matter of seconds.
sure civilians would have died either way, but one of the acts was a viciously cheap tactic that should have been rejected.
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one of the acts was a viciously cheap tactic that should have been rejected.
We are talking about war here. A world war. Not some video game.
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Oh Japan:
Japan's Defence Minister Fumio Kyuma has resigned amid a row over remarks he made about the US atom bomb attacks on Japan during World War II.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6263812.stm
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What the fuck guys you took my joke thread and made it serious :(
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there's simply no equivalency to be drawn between the loss of life that MAY have ensued after an invasion and the instant incineration of tens of thousands of civilians by the deployment of the atomic bomb.
morally speaking, i would have taken my chances with an invasion.
use of the a-bomb was a cruel, insane act of terror.
K, um you do realize that in EVERY SINGLE BATTLE against the japanese in the pacific there were almost NO SURVIVORS on the japanese side because they always fought to the death by either dying in battle or committing suicide right? Also, they knew exactly where we were going to land. a significantly bigger loss of life would have ensued had we invaded.
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What the fuck guys you took my joke thread and made it serious :(
how the hell would you expect this to be funny when you let it drag on for 4 pages? you have to admit it's a joke in the first few posts.