THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: dcharlie on July 02, 2007, 08:08:09 PM
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Man, THANK GOD for that.
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Paris Hilton is not amused.
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Best part of his statement:
My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged. His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting.
:lol
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WTF! What happened to noone being above the law . Constitution am cry :'(
Why are they pardons in the first place?
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I know :'(
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fuck.
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The good times, the bad times, the Bush times
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So he goes to prison for lying right?
I just want to understand this correctly.
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Lying?
He outed an undercover CIA agent.
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To be fair, it was just a woman.
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Yep, her real function within the CIA was washing the dishes of the actual covert agents
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he got his sentenced commuted from a measly 30 month sentence for treason to a fine and probation. He still has a felony, you know what that means? He can't get a government job. HOLY SHIT.
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Wow, I did NOT see this one coming.
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everyday brings new reason for the impeachment of bush (and cheney) but our wonderful democrats in the house and senate are useless as usual and the what are the republicans doing, nothing but tools in DC. IT MUST BE PURGED WITH FIYAH!
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iirc impeachment isn't a quick and easy process and depending on the situation can do more harm than good. I really dont like Bush as a president but at this point I dont see the value in impeachment.
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:maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf
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I think impeachment is important to show that no one is above the law. I know its a long process, heck Clinton was impeached and then it got overturned. But it has to be done.
But I think the single most important thing in our democracy is that every man woman and child must live under the same set of laws. It really is what makes the form of government working.
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I'd tell you not to be a toe-biting racist moron, but its too late for you.
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::) Anything relevant to say?
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I dont know anything about Joe Biden but his website is interesting.
http://www.joebiden.com/newscenter/page?id=0030 (http://www.joebiden.com/newscenter/page?id=0030)
Hours after a federal appeals court ruled that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby would have to begin serving his prison sentence while appealing his conviction for crimes of perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators, President Bush commuted his sentence.
Last week Vice President Cheney asserted that he was beyond the reach of the law. Today, President Bush demonstrated the lengths he would go to, ensuring that even aides to Dick Cheney are beyond the judgment of the law.
It is time for the American people to be heard.
I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.
202-456-1414
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thanks for that number, I gonna call :maf I'll tell them MAF sent me :-*
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thanks for that number, I gonna call :maf I'll tell them MAF sent me :-*
I hope you dont plan on flying anytime soon, MAF.
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I know some of you weren't politically aware in 2000 ... so here is a list of the President Clinton pardons in January 2001.
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http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions, even while a federal investigation was underway regarding additional money laundering and tax evasion charges.[12] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public. Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[13]
Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. Denise Rich, Marc's former wife, was a close friend of the Clintons and had made substantial donations to both Clinton's library and Hillary's Senate campaign. Clinton agreed to a pardon that required Marc Rich to pay a $100,000,000 fine before he could return to the United States. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.[14]
Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal. Rostenkowski had served his entire sentence.
Melvin J. Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, who was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography had his sentence commuted on the bank fraud charged and was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a half way house. He had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother, on drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade before. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[15] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others.
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Clinton also commuted the sentence for 16 members of the FALN. A group that was responsible for letting off 120 bombs within the United States.
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Yea that sucks too.
But since this topic is about the current president, I must ask, why are republicans are obsessed with Clinton?
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Not suprised at all. I'm just suprised at the timing. You would think he would be smart enough to wait just before his term was over. With Iraq, Al Gonzales, the dollar fading, and his immigration defeat, Bush's second term has been a disaster. I wonder if the Bush Presidency will tarnish the Republican Presidential nominee significantly.
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I think impeachment is important to show that no one is above the law. I know its a long process, heck Clinton was impeached and then it got overturned. But it has to be done.
But I think the single most important thing in our democracy is that every man woman and child must live under the same set of laws. It really is what makes the form of government working.
I thought Clinton wasn't impeached, but the process was started.
To google I go!
Edit: I guess he was and then acquitted. Well meh!
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Let's say Bush is charged and convicted with a crime, is it legal to pardon himself?
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I know some of you weren't politically aware in 2000 ... so here is a list of the President Clinton pardons in January 2001.
Wow. You're seriously defending Bush by saying "BUBUBUBUBUBU CLINTON DID PARDONS TOO"? :lol
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I know some of you weren't politically aware in 2000 ... so here is a list of the President Clinton pardons in January 2001.
Wow. You're seriously defending Bush by saying "BUBUBUBUBUBU CLINTON DID PARDONS TOO"? :lol
He didn't say that. He just has a huge man crush on Bill and disguises it with outward hostility.
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I know some of you weren't politically aware in 2000 ... so here is a list of the President Clinton pardons in January 2001.
Wow. You're seriously defending Bush by saying "BUBUBUBUBUBU CLINTON DID PARDONS TOO"? :lol
He didn't say that. He just has a huge man crush on Bill and disguises it with outward hostility.
Topic is about Libby's sentence being commuted by Bush. ToxicAnus's riposte is "LOOK WHUT CLINTON DID WHEN HE WUZ PREZUDENT." You don't think he's basically using what Clinton did to excuse what Bush is doing?
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I know some of you weren't politically aware in 2000 ... so here is a list of the President Clinton pardons in January 2001.
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http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions, even while a federal investigation was underway regarding additional money laundering and tax evasion charges.[12] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public. Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[13]
Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. Denise Rich, Marc's former wife, was a close friend of the Clintons and had made substantial donations to both Clinton's library and Hillary's Senate campaign. Clinton agreed to a pardon that required Marc Rich to pay a $100,000,000 fine before he could return to the United States. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.[14]
Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal. Rostenkowski had served his entire sentence.
Melvin J. Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, who was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography had his sentence commuted on the bank fraud charged and was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a half way house. He had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother, on drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade before. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[15] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others.
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Clinton also commuted the sentence for 16 members of the FALN. A group that was responsible for letting off 120 bombs within the United States.
?? What the FUCK does this have to do with anything?
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America :rock
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dcharlie I thought he stopped drinking. Which should have been a sign to everyone. Never trust anyone who stops drinking.
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dcharlie I thought he stopped drinking. Which should have been a sign to everyone. Never trust anyone who stops drinking.
There've been pictures of him floating around for a while where he's been seen drinking some suspicious beer-like substances. I'm guessing he's been back on the sauce for a while.
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?? What the FUCK does this have to do with anything?
It's part of our history. It's what every president does, yet people conveniently forget about every 4-8 years.
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Clinton did those pardons on his last day (they all served time except a guy who fled to switzerland 20 years ago for tax evasion and who had to pay $100,000,000 to get back into the country) and he defended all of the pardons in february of 2001. Bush did 118 pardons with this being his fifth pardon of somebody who didn't serve all their sentence. He IS right now as lame duck of a president as he can be. The only pardon that Clinton did that was controversial was McDougal and that was of somebody who served all their time. Would you prefer that libby have a felony on his record so he can't get a government job or serve 30 months in prison?