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Title: Why is Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic better than every Star Wars movie?
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2007, 11:11:06 PM: I just don't get it. How can one video game shit on 6 movies of a universally lauded franchise? It's got more interesting characters, more interesting situations, a better plot than all of them, and it doesn't act like it was written by and for prepubescent transsexuals.

If Knights of the Old Republic were a movie trilogy, it would own.
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Post by: Ichirou on July 05, 2007, 11:12:05 PM: Shouldn't this be in the gaming forum? :-\
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Post by: Himu on July 05, 2007, 11:13:07 PM: No, because it's still discussing the Star Wars movies, thus it's going to be HERE.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:13:47 PM: KOTOR's plot line is worse than Episode I. It's fanboy SHIT.

It has a fake Yoda. FAKE YODA.

And that carth guy wtf.
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Post by: Himu on July 05, 2007, 11:14:41 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:13:47 PM
KOTOR's plot line is worse than Episode I. It's fanboy SHIT.

Hahaha. KotOR's characters are better than the majority of the characters in both trilogies.

HK47 > every Star Wars character

Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:13:47 PM
It has a fake Yoda. FAKE YODA.

You act like Yoda is the only person in his race.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:15:33 PM: Quote from: Himuro on July 05, 2007, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:13:47 PM
KOTOR's plot line is worse than Episode I. It's fanboy SHIT.

Hahaha. KotOR's characters are better than the majority of the characters in both trilogies.

HK47 > every Star Wars character

(http://www.lovechess.nl/artoflove/archives/images/carth-game-character.jpg)

KOTOR is my favorite Xbox game, it's fantastic but like every rpg it's plot is a complete joke other than that twist.
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Post by: Himu on July 05, 2007, 11:17:01 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:15:33 PM
Quote from: Himuro on July 05, 2007, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:13:47 PM
KOTOR's plot line is worse than Episode I. It's fanboy SHIT.

Hahaha. KotOR's characters are better than the majority of the characters in both trilogies.

HK47 > every Star Wars character

(http://www.lovechess.nl/artoflove/archives/images/carth-game-character.jpg)

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10227315A~Jar-Jar-Binks-Posters.jpg)

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ADVG/529~Anakin-Skywalker-Posters.jpg)

Could do this allll day.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on July 05, 2007, 11:17:14 PM: Carth :lol

They pulled an M. Night Shamalyan plot wise though still one of the better rpg last gen. Can't wait for Sonic RPG. :-[
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just loved killing most of my part members too Carth escaped :'(
[close]
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Post by: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:17:52 PM: you said ALL 6 (I am ignoring I called it better than episode I for this second). Where is Jar Jar/Anakin in Empire Strikes Back?

Defend it against ESB, I dare ya.
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Post by: Himu on July 05, 2007, 11:18:18 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:17:52 PM
you said ALL 6. Where is Jar Jar/Anakin in Empire Strikes Back?

Empire Strikes Back is the only thing saving the entire franchise.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:20:27 PM: Quote from: Himuro on July 05, 2007, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:17:52 PM
you said ALL 6. Where is Jar Jar/Anakin in Empire Strikes Back?

Empire Strikes Back is the only thing saving the entire franchise.
A New Hope then. How is it better than A NEW HOPE
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 05, 2007, 11:21:06 PM: A New Hope is pretty mediocre.
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Post by: demi on July 05, 2007, 11:21:41 PM: All the movies are more enjoyable than Kotor ever was, or will be

At least I can watch the movies to the end, shame for Kotor
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Post by: brawndolicious on July 05, 2007, 11:32:02 PM: KOTOR was good as a videogame story. That doesn't mean it's story was generic but that it made you really want to think about what choices you made. It was a lot more suspenseful than star wars movies and star wars movies should never be praised as doing anything remotely more innovative than KOTOR.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:33:24 PM: Quote from: am nintenho on July 05, 2007, 11:32:02 PM
and star wars movies should never be praised as doing anything remotely more innovative than KOTOR.
other than re-inventing a basically dead niche film genre on it's own
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 05, 2007, 11:38:35 PM: kotor had vastly better writing and dialogue than any star wars film. that's right; underpaid bioware monkey writers are better with the english language than that worthless hack lucas.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 05, 2007, 11:39:11 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on July 05, 2007, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 05, 2007, 11:32:02 PM
and star wars movies should never be praised as doing anything remotely more innovative than KOTOR.
other than re-inventing a basically dead niche film genre on it's own

if star wars is any indicator, there was a reason it died: it was hoist on its own lack of worth and quality.
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Post by: brawndolicious on July 05, 2007, 11:40:54 PM: That's a genre I'd like dead. Wait let me check.

*puts hands on crotch*

yeah I still got balls.

I don't like star wars at all and the only reason I took any interest in KOTOR was that it was set hundreds of years before the movies so it was obvious they weren't going to rip anything off from it. OTHER THAN A SMALL GREEN MAN.
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Post by: Fragamemnon on July 06, 2007, 01:46:37 AM: If you had compressed and distilled the KOTOR story into its best elements and made it into a screenplay, the movie would probably be better than a New Hope and just behind Empire Strikes Back.

Like Prole said, in terms of writing, dialogue and characters, Bioware's effort took a huge dump on Lucas' stuff.
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Post by: demi on July 06, 2007, 01:54:15 AM: Jedi Knight > KOTOR
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Post by: Yeti on July 06, 2007, 02:24:50 AM: Clambake reminds me of Jolee Bindo, the way he was always going off on some longwinded story that had little relevance to anything.

(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/b/b0/Jolee.jpg/200px-Jolee.jpg)
(http://joshreads.com/images/07/06/i070601gilthorp.gif)

Well, until I found out that Clambake was a fraud.
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Post by: Bloodwake on July 06, 2007, 03:21:18 AM: Shocker: Evilbore hates Star Wars.

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i60/munchkin_2/Beat_Dead_HorseSanitysBlog.jpg)
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 06, 2007, 03:21:55 AM: (http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/Memes%20n%20Things/1183699244949.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic better than every Star Wars movie?
Post by: xnikki118x on July 06, 2007, 04:58:54 AM: Quote from: Himuro on July 05, 2007, 11:14:41 PM
You act like Yoda is the only person in his race.

He's not the only one, but isn't he the last one? As in, the only one who is supposed to be living?
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Post by: max_cool on July 06, 2007, 05:24:42 AM: KOTOR takes place thousands of years before Episode I.
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Post by: Yeti on July 06, 2007, 12:56:09 PM: Plus there was that girl Yoda in the prequels.
Title: Re: Why is Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic better than every Star Wars movie?
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2007, 12:57:53 PM: It just makes no sense. I am not a big fan of Star Wars at ALL. I'm an LotR guy. But KotOR makes my penis hard.
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Post by: brawndolicious on July 06, 2007, 04:02:22 PM: LotR was worse because it actually tried to patronize the core manchildren audience.

I'm making a serious argument.

I didn't see a reason for movies like star wars or LotR to be made but at least star wars was first marketed towards kids. Just looking at LotR's real swords merchandise and you die a little inside. If you're going to make fantasy, it has to have a big reason. You can't just say you want to make a ring that makes midgets insane. I don't like fantasies where they say "this is a HUGE, good and evil kill for it now!"

The one thing I liked about star wars was that it really imagined a realistic take on better technology, alien politics, spirituality (force shit) but the movies failed because of the horrible plot and dialogue.

good fantasies are usually satires. I actually can't think of one that isn't.
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Post by: Himu on July 06, 2007, 04:03:10 PM: What......
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Post by: Mupepe on July 06, 2007, 04:05:43 PM: Yoda is the only saving grace for the Star Wars films. He fucking rocks my balls off and then nuts on my face and then slurps it back up his nose like a line of coke.
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Post by: Mondain on July 06, 2007, 04:10:30 PM: Uh, because KOTOR lasts fourty hours. When you only have two hours to introduce dozens of characters, locations and spectacular events, it takes its toll.

There were so many expectations and standards for excellence on the fans' end that it was absolutely impossible to present films that would satisfy them in any way. KOTOR was made and people expected nothing of it, if not of it being a decent implementation of the Bioware formula for computerized Dungeons & Dragons games with Star Wars themes added into the mix.
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Post by: Himu on July 06, 2007, 04:13:59 PM: Quote from: Mondain on July 06, 2007, 04:10:30 PM
Uh, because KOTOR lasts fourty hours. When you only have two hours to introduce dozens of characters, locations and spectacular events, it takes its toll.

There were so many expectations and standards for excellence on the fans' end that it was absolutely impossible to present films that would satisfy them in any way. KOTOR was made and people expected nothing of it, if not of it being a decent implementation of the Bioware formula for computerized Dungeons & Dragons games with Star Wars themes added into the mix.

I didn't have much expectation for the new trilogy at all and they were still dog shit.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 06, 2007, 04:15:52 PM: Quote from: Himuro on July 06, 2007, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Mondain on July 06, 2007, 04:10:30 PM
Uh, because KOTOR lasts fourty hours. When you only have two hours to introduce dozens of characters, locations and spectacular events, it takes its toll.

There were so many expectations and standards for excellence on the fans' end that it was absolutely impossible to present films that would satisfy them in any way. KOTOR was made and people expected nothing of it, if not of it being a decent implementation of the Bioware formula for computerized Dungeons & Dragons games with Star Wars themes added into the mix.

I didn't have much expectation for the new trilogy at all and they were still dog shit.
Even prior to Episode I? Before TPM came out the hype for that film was unheard of and of absolute incredible levels.
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Post by: Eduardo24 on July 06, 2007, 04:18:07 PM: I never understood the hate for the prequels. I found the original movies to be boring and mediocre, excepting maybe Empires. I tried to watch A New Hope 2 months ago and it was painfull.
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Post by: Himu on July 06, 2007, 04:18:38 PM: I thought Episode 1 was going to be okay. I mean, I always felt there was no need for the trilogy. What would be learn from it? How Anakin turned to the dark side? Who cares? Star Wars stories are so damn black and white that it was obvious he just "swayed" to the dark side and why he went to it was irrelevant in my eyes, thus I didn't care. Still, I went to see it in theaters the day it came out with my best friend. It was actually the last movie he ever saw before he died, bless his heart, so it holds a special place in my heart despite being average.

I was a big fan of the movies as a kid, but by the time I reaches 7th grade (the year episode 1 came out), I realized that they weren't that great and was not expecting much of the new movies.
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Post by: etiolate on July 06, 2007, 04:18:46 PM: Poor lost himu

KOTOR is maybe the most overrated game of that generation. Where the story is goign is evident from very early and the worlds manage to be full of people and yet not full of life. It's an amazingly unexciting stale world with multiple bad spots. When looking at Sonic RPG, I fear bioware has lost it.
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Post by: Himu on July 06, 2007, 04:21:07 PM: Quote from: etiolate on July 06, 2007, 04:18:46 PM
Poor lost himu

KOTOR is maybe the most overrated game of that generation. Where the story is goign is evident from very early and the worlds manage to be full of people and yet not full of life. It's an amazingly unexciting stale world with multiple bad spots. When looking at Sonic RPG, I fear bioware has lost it.

Uhh..I dunno. The worlds may be stale, but the conversations and situations that happen are anything but.
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Post by: Mupepe on July 06, 2007, 04:27:28 PM: You forgot the framerate etiolate!
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Post by: brawndolicious on July 07, 2007, 12:56:28 AM: KOTOR was good because on some worlds, you may kill half the people you meet (sith).

I also liked how the order you go in and the choices you make have so much freedom.
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Post by: TVC15 on July 07, 2007, 01:01:10 AM: Quote from: etiolate on July 06, 2007, 04:18:46 PM
Poor lost himu

KOTOR is maybe the most overrated game of that generation.

Metroid Prime says "hi."
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2007, 01:10:35 AM: I loved this game. Just beat again following the light side. I think I'm gonna rent the second one and try it.
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Post by: Himu on July 07, 2007, 02:38:46 AM: I wanna try part 2 as well. It can't be THAT bad, can it?
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Post by: Yeti on July 07, 2007, 01:48:34 PM: I liked Kotor2 a lot more the second time I played it, and it is a pretty good game, but the ending is horrible and rushed.