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Title: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 15, 2007, 09:25:33 PM: And how come they don't?
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 15, 2007, 09:32:37 PM: Employees have tried in the past. Didn't end well.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 15, 2007, 10:38:04 PM: But wal-marts image would really improve. I guess the average walmart employee isn't smart enough or skilled enough.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: TVC15 on July 15, 2007, 10:54:50 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 15, 2007, 10:38:04 PM
But wal-marts image would really improve. I guess the average walmart employee isn't smart enough or skilled enough.

Smart enough or skilled enough to what? There are no unions because Wal-Mart won't let any form. Wal-Mart also has some ridiculously high year-over-year turnover rate, like 70-80%.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Ecrofirt on July 15, 2007, 11:05:17 PM: FoC, you're a fucking idiot. I feel sorry for you parents. They must have been the laughingstock of the neighborhood with you as their mistake.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mupepe on July 15, 2007, 11:24:07 PM: If they tried to unionize, Wal Mart would fire them all and get just as many desperate employees as it had before.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2007, 11:29:49 PM: Quote from: Ecrofirt on July 15, 2007, 11:05:17 PM
FoC, you're a fucking idiot. I feel sorry for you parents. They must have been the laughingstock of the neighborhood with you as their mistake.

This may, in fact, be the truest thing ever posted upon the interwebs. I salute you, ecro.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 16, 2007, 12:08:43 AM: The Walmart near the university I attended unionized. Walmart simply closed to the store down, fired everyone, and built a new store near by. That, along with the high turnover, is why employees do not bother to unionize. Blue collar workers may not be 'smart enough or skilled enough' to direct movies about talking piñatas, but they work hard doing shit jobs and deserve to be fairly compensated. They would gladly unionize if they thought it wasn't a futile endeavour.

Anyway, why would Walmart care if they received an image boost? The people who would be impressed would likely never step inside the store even if they were giving away Che Guevara hemp t-shirts. Meanwhile, the people who do shop there would be pissed that they had to pay two extra cents to shop at the now unionized store.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 16, 2007, 12:38:21 AM: Wal-Mart rewards managers for shutting down potential union starters, so it's nigh impossible to get an entire store behind the concept, and when they do, Wal-Mart just shuts down the store and fires everybody. And then usually opens up a new one with veteran management staff.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: TVC15 on July 16, 2007, 12:52:22 AM: What happened to doing even cursory research, FoC? I just looked at wiki and there is a ton of info on this on the WalMart page.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2007, 12:55:40 AM: Quote from: Ecrofirt on July 15, 2007, 11:05:17 PM
FoC, you're a fucking idiot. I feel sorry for you parents. They must have been the laughingstock of the neighborhood with you as their mistake.

This is the Platonic ideal of a response to a FoC post. All other responses are mere shadows of this form.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 09:50:21 AM: You guys get angry for no reason. Everyone knows that the average wal-mart employee isn't the brightest crayon in the box. And stocking items isn't really a skill. The turn over rate is a good point, I can't imagine too many people working there for years.

But lets pretend that walmart workers did unionize, how would that affect walmart?

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Wal-Mart rewards managers for shutting down potential union starters, so it's nigh impossible to get an entire store behind the concept, and when they do, Wal-Mart just shuts down the store and fires everybody. And then usually opens up a new one with veteran management staff.

Is this legal?
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2007, 09:58:49 AM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 09:50:21 AM
You guys get angry for no reason. Everyone knows that the average wal-mart employee isn't the brightest crayon in the box. And stocking items isn't really a skill. The turn over rate is a good point, I can't imagine too many people working there for years.

But lets pretend that walmart workers did unionize, how would that affect walmart?

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Wal-Mart rewards managers for shutting down potential union starters, so it's nigh impossible to get an entire store behind the concept, and when they do, Wal-Mart just shuts down the store and fires everybody. And then usually opens up a new one with veteran management staff.

Is this legal?

You tard, can't you read? Several people TOLD you how it affects Wal-Mart. They shut down the store, fire everybody and then open a new one up nearby.

Willco, he really, really doesn't need to be able to make threads anymore. I mean fuck.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 16, 2007, 10:00:22 AM: Is Wal-Mart defending the chinese cheap-o TV manufacturers against American factories in court legal? Wal-Mart is bad for America.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 10:12:35 AM: Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 16, 2007, 09:58:49 AM

You tard, can't you read? Several people TOLD you how it affects Wal-Mart. They shut down the store, fire everybody and then open a new one up nearby.

Willco, he really, really doesn't need to be able to make threads anymore. I mean fuck.

You ass clown, that his how they deal with the problem, not how it affects walmart. You are such a fucking sad sack of shit.

What if all walmart stores became unionized? How would that affect walmart?
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 16, 2007, 11:58:28 AM: thats kinda a dumb question and this is a kinda a dumb thread. If Raoul is guilty of anything, it is trying to make the thread smarter.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Tauntaun on July 16, 2007, 12:10:08 PM: (http://www.opendemocracy.net/content/articles/3527/images/5_565.jpg)

*bail out*
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 12:14:45 PM: Quote from: Lil' Slugger on July 16, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
thats kinda a dumb question and this is a kinda a dumb thread. If Raoul is guilty of anything, it is trying to make the thread smarter.

Sorry, I should have made a thread about anime or japafags to fit in with the rest of the threads here.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 16, 2007, 12:20:42 PM: or you could've asked a question that doesn't answer itself with a bare minimum of research. even japafags aren't that stupid!
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 12:39:24 PM: Quote
This user is currently ignored.

You might have said something useful and very valid to add to this thread, but somehow I really doubt it.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: T234 on July 16, 2007, 12:44:46 PM: I work at walmart, foc. Are you trying to say I'm stupid?
COCKSUCKER
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 12:49:50 PM: Quote from: T234 on July 16, 2007, 12:44:46 PM
I work at walmart, foc. Are you trying to say I'm stupid?
COCKSUCKER

No, I am not saying anyone is stupid. I'm arguing for unions. WTF people! Do you guys look for reasons to argue?
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2007, 01:14:22 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
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This user is currently ignored.

You might have said something useful and very valid to add to this thread, but somehow I really doubt it.

If ever there was a reason to leper someone...

You should not be able to ignore your betters, FoC.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 16, 2007, 01:56:43 PM: Thats how he debates tho. Thats his STYLE
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2007, 03:03:49 PM: Why didn't you just Google "Wal-Mart unionization" or "Wal-Mart labor" or "Wal-Mart controversy" or "Wal-Mart employees?"

You should spend more time at Google. Google won't flame you for being such an ignoramus.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 03:04:40 PM: I did. I wanted to talk about it here. Sorry I wanted to have a conversation on evilbore.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2007, 03:04:47 PM: Quote from: Mandark on July 16, 2007, 03:03:49 PM
Why didn't you just Google "Wal-Mart unionization" or "Wal-Mart labor" or "Wal-Mart controversy" or "Wal-Mart employees?"

You should spend more time at Google. Google won't flame you for being such an ignoramus.

Well, until it develops sentience that is. Then it's ON.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2007, 03:07:49 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 03:04:40 PM
I did.

No you didn't.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: TVC15 on July 16, 2007, 03:10:35 PM: Leper FoC.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 03:12:03 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on July 16, 2007, 03:10:35 PM
Leper FoC.

fuck it, just ban me. Sorry, I tried to have a meaningful thread here.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2007, 03:19:00 PM: No you didn't. You did another "I am completely ignorant and need you guys to explain the MOST BASIC SHIT to me" thread.

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WAL-MART DOES NOT LET ITS EMPLOYEES UNIONIZE BECAUSE IT WOULD COST WAL-MART MONEY. THAT IS WHY EVERY COMPANY THAT BUSTS UNIONS DOES IT.
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FoC's next topic: Why does Pfizer charge so much for its patented medications? Wouldn't people like them more if they gave them all away really cheap?
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 03:21:20 PM: Quote
WAL-MART DOES NOT LET ITS EMPLOYEES UNIONIZE BECAUSE IT WOULD COST WAL-MART MONEY. THAT IS WHY EVERY COMPANY THAT BUSTS UNIONS DOES IT.

No shit, it costs more money, but that hasn't stopped other unions from forming in the past.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mondain on July 16, 2007, 03:25:23 PM: A bunch of Quebec Wal-Marts did it, and Wal-Mart fired people or opened up new stores like Malek said.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Ecrofirt on July 16, 2007, 03:27:01 PM: Are you as illiterate as you come across?

When a Wal-Mart tries to unionize, the store closes and all the employees are fired.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: GilloD on July 16, 2007, 03:28:07 PM: Quote from: Ecrofirt on July 15, 2007, 11:05:17 PM
FoC, you're a fucking idiot. I feel sorry for you parents. They must have been the laughingstock of the neighborhood with you as their mistake.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/dirk_diggler_41/pampoint1zn6.gif)
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 03:28:12 PM: Quote from: Mondain on July 16, 2007, 03:25:23 PM
A bunch of Quebec Wal-Marts did it, and Wal-Mart fired people or opened up new stores like Malek said.

So I guess it's not illegal to do that?

It seems so far that unionizing has only been done on a store by store basis. What about if all the Wal-mart workes in a city or region unionzed. Wal-mart can't just close all the stores in a region.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: GilloD on July 16, 2007, 03:29:36 PM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Mondain on July 16, 2007, 03:25:23 PM
A bunch of Quebec Wal-Marts did it, and Wal-Mart fired people or opened up new stores like Malek said.

So I guess it's not illegal to do that?

It seems so far that unionizing has only been done on a store by store basis. What about if all the Wal-mart workes in a city or region unionzed. Wal-mart can't just close all the stores in a region.

Can, Could and Would. Also, that kind of mammoth organizational capacity for a workforce that has a 70% turnover rate would be impossible for any kind of grass roots unionization campaign.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 16, 2007, 03:34:33 PM: Look at all the jealousy directed at FoC. You people are pathetic .. at least hide it better.

I really think Wal-mart is the new K-mart. Both started off with incredible sales and expanded to all of America, but both underpaid their workers and delivered barely adequete goods. Eventually, your middle class American catches on and shops at newer/better stores (Costco, Target, Kohl's) and all Wal-mart is left with are the very poor shopper. Bad image for the store means less competent applicants .. which means worse customer service and more theft. A downward spiral that never corrects itself because the core of your business model is rotten.

K-mart of course is in its death throes ... Wal-mart's vast money will help it survive much longer .. but you can already see the frayed edges.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Tauntaun on July 16, 2007, 03:35:40 PM: why is this thread not locked? :-*
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mupepe on July 16, 2007, 03:38:14 PM: I dunno TA, Wal Mart has their shit together more than K Mart ever did. Ever gone to a Wal Mart in a nice neighborhood? The staff is completely different and the stores are a lot cleaner.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mondain on July 16, 2007, 03:38:53 PM: no it's not illegal, but the employer's pressures are too strong to overcome for all the poor workers

if you watch the documentary "Wal-Mart, the cost of low prices", it shows how Wal-Mart monitors all of its stores for potential rises in syndical activity, and then when it happens the headquarters are IMMEDIATELY warned to allow them to devise a strategy of counter-attack
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mupepe on July 16, 2007, 03:39:31 PM: good. i hate unions.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Tauntaun on July 16, 2007, 03:41:57 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on July 16, 2007, 03:38:14 PM
I dunno TA, Wal Mart has their shit together more than K Mart ever did. Ever gone to a Wal Mart in a nice neighborhood? The staff isn't nigs and spics and thus the stores are a lot cleaner.

Fixed for great justice! :o

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j/k beezy :-*
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Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: Mupepe on July 16, 2007, 03:45:32 PM: Quote from: Tauntaun on July 16, 2007, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on July 16, 2007, 03:38:14 PM
I dunno TA, Wal Mart has their shit together more than K Mart ever did. Ever gone to a Wal Mart in a nice neighborhood? The staff isn't nigs and spics and thus the stores are a lot cleaner.

Fixed for great justice! :o

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j/k beezy :-*
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but it's so true

Wal Mart might be an evil empire, but they're an organized and efficient evil empire.
Title: Re: What would happen if Wal-mart employees unionized?
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2007, 03:54:26 PM: One problem is that managers at wal-mart and fast food try to prevent anybody from working 40 hours a week, that means having tons of different people working there (and they definitely have enough applicants) but still making them as understaffed as possible to minimize the amount of money paid in wages. Companies have a lot of possible ways to pay people who do actual jobs for them so they look for ways to avoid paying them.

If you tried to unionize, they would send a special task force by private jet and they would set up cameras and monitor everything from a van in the parking lot plus interview everybody. Any intention of a union is made anonymously. It's legal to fire somebody in the U.S. for that since there are wal-mart unions in germany. Plus wal-mart and fast food franchises are the types of business you can put anywhere and they're so common that it won't make a big impact on profit in an area if you closed one down for a while and opened one in the area later.

Normally when people see a company sucking the blood out of a country, they research it. You didn't.

Is there ANYTHING that you found out by researching before you made this topic?