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Title: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 05:00:23 PM: a Master ninja makes fun of Peter Moore replacement and Microsoft VP Jeff Bell.
Master ninja a trollish PM from "bell801" (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172239).
Research suggests this is VP Jeff Bell.
Mods (somewhat unprofessionally, IMO) confirm.
Hilarity ensues!

This is a great way to start your first week on the job!

More seriously: doesn't MS have policies against this? I know that I'm certainly no allowed to post as a representative of my company on any forum, and I can't imagine MS being any different. Especially for corporate VPs. Will there be any fallout/consequences?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to make threads about GAF posts but Bellaton is just TOO
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 18, 2007, 05:01:37 PM: I wish there was a voting option. "Do you give a fuck?" "Do you not give a fuck?"
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 18, 2007, 05:09:02 PM: If I was his boss, I'd have him reassigned from the position for doing something like that.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 18, 2007, 05:09:31 PM: Yea, the whole situation is ridiculous. :lol
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 18, 2007, 05:10:38 PM: You gotta make a name for yourself somehow

That one guy got major owned though, getting called out like that
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 05:11:34 PM: Yeah, I read this this morning. A few things linger...

... why did he use such an easy to identify alias? Also, is there no doubt that if it was a higher up in the Sony camp that the thread would be locked or deleted?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 05:22:35 PM: Patrick is such a dick. Videogame journalism at its finest!
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 18, 2007, 05:23:07 PM: Yeah, definitely not "front page material"

NeoGAF - "We get you fired!"

Didn't Raoul Duke get fired for what he posted on GAF? lol
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 05:26:13 PM: I think it's kind of fucked up that GAF gave 1UP account information.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 18, 2007, 05:29:23 PM: Quote from: Willco on July 18, 2007, 05:26:13 PM
I think it's kind of fucked up that GAF gave 1UP account information.

Its funny that the moderation is trying to angle towards a more professional board (adverts, industry insiders and actual industry workers posting there) but then something like this happens and exposes how unprofessional it can be.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 05:30:20 PM: Quote from: Willco on July 18, 2007, 05:26:13 PM
I think it's kind of fucked up that GAF gave 1UP account information.

I mentioned as much in my original post. If they're now "confirming" the story to external news sources, that's just an additional level of unprofessionalism. That said, Bell's postings were hardly professional, either.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 18, 2007, 05:31:04 PM: Wasn't Bell a used cars salesmen at somepoint? Or is that sometype of ongoing gag about Bell on GAF? Hilarious if true
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 05:32:48 PM: Amendment: it's 1up's TOP news story now, and that is ALL kinds of fucked up.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 05:35:38 PM: Wow, that's really fucked up.

Sure, Bell was wrong to PM this guy, but Jim and the moderators didn't have to add fuel to the fire by telling the community that it was indeed him (this story would've died right then). Furthermore, it's messed up that they told Patrick that his account information had a Redmond-based IP address, accurate e-mail and birthday listed. That's sensitive information that I wouldn't give out to anyone, or even confirm to the gaming paparazzi.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 18, 2007, 05:37:49 PM: It was probably WhiteMan who gave the info out, he has a hardon for drama and outing people

I never did trust that guy
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 05:39:27 PM: I am pretty sure it's Jim, actually. Patrick doesn't have a lot of friends from the moderator staff from what I've heard, but Jim and him have always gotten along since they were working buddies.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 18, 2007, 05:40:45 PM: Quote from: Willco on July 18, 2007, 05:35:38 PM
Wow, that's really fucked up.

Sure, Bell was wrong to PM this guy, but Jim and the moderators didn't have to add fuel to the fire by telling the community that it was indeed him (this story would've died right then). Furthermore, it's messed up that they told Patrick that his account information had a Redmond-based IP address, accurate e-mail and birthday listed. That's sensitive information that I wouldn't give out to anyone, or even confirm to the gaming paparazzi.

:o

Oh wow, that really is fucked up
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 05:44:22 PM: Again, this boils down to favoritism. I'm sure in the mod forum they're all cackling and mocking at the expense of that Microsoft guy (lol Microsoft). If it was a developer or company that they cared about, this would've never happened.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: hyp on July 18, 2007, 05:47:24 PM: Quote from: Willco on July 18, 2007, 05:22:35 PM
Patrick is such a dick. Videogame journalism at its finest!

patrick's a tool. how does this constitute "news". 1up loves to hire gaf distinguished mentally-challenged fellows
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Mupepe on July 18, 2007, 06:04:59 PM: Wow. Funny, but such backwards shit from the moderating team on GAF.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on July 18, 2007, 06:08:01 PM: Quote from: Willco on July 18, 2007, 05:44:22 PM
Again, this boils down to favoritism. I'm sure in the mod forum they're all cackling and mocking at the expense of that Microsoft guy (lol Microsoft). If it was a developer or company that they cared about, this would've never happened.
Willco I hate to break it to you, but the world does not revolve around console war bullshit. I think Jim just got excitied, which really doesn't excuse his actions or 1up's "hard-hitting journalism". I doubt there were any ulterior motives behind this.

What really surprises me is 1up. How the fuck does this constitute news? OMG MESSAGE BOARD DRAMAZ FRONT PAGE
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 06:09:24 PM: I actually have a deep personal history with GAF turning flippant forum posts into oversourced news stories against all sensible journalistic ethics or reason.

IT'S ALL JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY REPEATING

Also, I totally disagree with Willco that this is in any way related to the fact that Bell works at Microsoft. I'm sure if this were Kaz or Perrin, we'd be seeing the same level of forum explosion. GAF craves drama, and the beast must be fed.

I'd rather keep the console war bullshit out of this thread and focus on the ethics and possible blowback.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 18, 2007, 06:12:45 PM: eXxy started the wave and it looks like everyone is joining in :rofl (theres an article on another site, I won't be surprised if we see this on Joystiq, Kotaku etc by the end of the day). Good times

Wasabi on GAF apologized on behalf of the moderation. I find all this funny but outing a poster by confirming personal information wasn't cool.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Shuri on July 18, 2007, 06:19:29 PM: this is pretty awesome
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 06:20:15 PM: this is extra fucked up when you remember that this started not from a post that Bell made, but a PM that he sent to another poster who consequently "outed" him.

again, it was dumb of him to send the message, but there's three levels of really bad ethical judgment going on here:

1) a Master ninja makes Bell's PM public
2) moderators confim the message came from Bell
3) 1UP makes this manufactured drama their top "news story"

EVERYBODY = FAIL
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 06:27:11 PM: WasabiKing showing class.

And I'm not saying that this is console war shenanigans, but there's clearly a level of bias over there in terms who is protected and who is not. Jeff Bell was thrown underneath the bus by the moderator staff and I'm not saying because the Xbox 360 Entertainment System (available for just $299!) is not the choice for folks who run the show, but really because the dude is that new "wooden stiff from Microsoft". If this was Kaz, or more importantly (to stress what I was trying to say), someone higher-up with a developer that the kids love, this incident would have not occurred. At least in my opinion.

The moderator staff has always been in control in how to mold mob justice for the forum and it won't get out of control unless they want it to get out of control.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 06:44:36 PM: There's certainly a factor that Bell is the exec-du-jour. But again, I really don't think it's MS-bias.

I PMed WasabiKing thanking him for admitting the mod team fucked up. *shrug*
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2007, 06:59:43 PM: EGM printed that instance when David Jaffe made that remark about someone's mom's twat a while back.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2007, 07:02:15 PM: I swear, Bell looks like a cult leader or something.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 18, 2007, 07:23:59 PM: Quote from: demi on July 18, 2007, 05:23:07 PM
Yeah, definitely not "front page material"

NeoGAF - "We get you fired!"

Didn't Raoul Duke get fired for what he posted on GAF? lol

Yes.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2007, 07:28:17 PM: Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 18, 2007, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: demi on July 18, 2007, 05:23:07 PM
Yeah, definitely not "front page material"

NeoGAF - "We get you fired!"

Didn't Raoul Duke get fired for what he posted on GAF? lol

Yes.

What did you post, anyhow?

I didn't get fired, per se, but my reaction to the 1up brouhaha got me semi-blacklisted and I just chose to never ask my former freelance employer for any work ever again. So same difference?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Himu on July 18, 2007, 07:29:58 PM: Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 18, 2007, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: demi on July 18, 2007, 05:23:07 PM
Yeah, definitely not "front page material"

NeoGAF - "We get you fired!"

Didn't Raoul Duke get fired for what he posted on GAF? lol

Yes.

What'd you post?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 18, 2007, 07:46:09 PM: I'm not even sure you could say I was "fired". I posted pissed off after the Madden release in 2003, saying a lot of negative shit about GS management after they had basically bungled the launch of the game. My boss, who I never really got along with (liked my old DM better) showed up at my store and showed me a print out of those posts and I was like, "so is this supposed to impress me? what the hell?" and he started saying a bunch of critical horseshit to me. I told him he was acting like a dickhead, and he said that I was fired. I told him no, I think I quit when I called you a dickhead, dickhead. Then I went home and got drunk and stoned, it was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mondain on July 18, 2007, 08:22:34 PM: People are nosy and always jump to the extremes in crowds. And the ones who have privileged information can't help but to join in recklessly to feed their own ego, eager that they are to become part of the excitement.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 18, 2007, 08:26:53 PM: I don't see why potential viral marketers should be allowed to hide behind a mask. I think industry people should get tagged immediately with their status and company.

Anywho, he put his fucking name and favorite number in the name, he was gonna get found out anyway.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Sceneman on July 18, 2007, 08:38:42 PM: Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 18, 2007, 07:46:09 PM
I'm not even sure you could say I was "fired". I posted pissed off after the Madden release in 2003, saying a lot of negative shit about GS management after they had basically bungled the launch of the game. My boss, who I never really got along with (liked my old DM better) showed up at my store and showed me a print out of those posts and I was like, "so is this supposed to impress me? what the hell?" and he started saying a bunch of critical horseshit to me. I told him he was acting like a dickhead, and he said that I was fired. I told him no, I think I quit when I called you a dickhead, dickhead. Then I went home and got drunk and stoned, it was pretty awesome.

Crazy that your boss actually printed out gaf and confrinted you about it. Anyways good story, Raoul respect +20
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 18, 2007, 08:52:25 PM: jim cordeira has nothing to do with neogaf. it is run by evilore and wasabiking.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Mupepe on July 18, 2007, 08:53:55 PM: i jacked on GAF once. true story.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2007, 09:38:58 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on July 18, 2007, 08:52:25 PM
jim cordeira has nothing to do with neogaf. it is run by evilore and wasabiking.

Jim was the one who confirmed Bell's status and judging by his red name, he still is a moderator at the very least. Whether he has anything to do with administering the community is irrelevant. That fact alone should make people question why he still privy to such information.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 18, 2007, 09:57:21 PM: Jim runs Gaming-Age, and was given mod status as a kind of thank you, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Christopher on July 18, 2007, 11:39:10 PM: does microsoft probably even give a fuck? Oh god 1Up posted it as thier TOP story..(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/ChrisRuss0/Sarcastic_Clap_emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: bork on July 18, 2007, 11:55:50 PM: Quote from: Raoul Duke on July 18, 2007, 07:46:09 PM
I'm not even sure you could say I was "fired". I posted pissed off after the Madden release in 2003, saying a lot of negative shit about GS management after they had basically bungled the launch of the game. My boss, who I never really got along with (liked my old DM better) showed up at my store and showed me a print out of those posts and I was like, "so is this supposed to impress me? what the hell?" and he started saying a bunch of critical horseshit to me. I told him he was acting like a dickhead, and he said that I was fired. I told him no, I think I quit when I called you a dickhead, dickhead. Then I went home and got drunk and stoned, it was pretty awesome.

:bow :bow :bow

Was this the Gamestop that was in the Kroger shopping center on Roswell Road, or a different location? It's been too long.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 19, 2007, 12:59:35 AM: Poor Jim got the boot, lol
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mondain on July 19, 2007, 01:19:53 AM: he's been demodded, but once there was a post where Hitokage said that a user was Mark Rein after confirming on the forums that an user's email came from some epicgames.com ISP

that's pretty much the same "offense", but seeing as Hitokage is one of the big wigs, nothing will happen

don't go believing that they have any such concerns for the privacy of their users, their only "concern" lies on covering their ass and protecting their bullshit public image
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: y2kev on July 19, 2007, 01:29:18 AM: I don't like what happened to Jim. He might have been out of tune with the moderation policy (hmmm...), but the end result always showed him as a fair mod popular with the community and possessing a host full of press releases. I mean, I am not part of the amir0x needs to die brigade, but how is his behavior "in tune" with the moderation policy?

Poor Jim.

btw I see no bias or "bigwig" hegemony going on over there. I just think Jim got excited and was the lamb to be slaughtered in a very public incident.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: bluemax on July 19, 2007, 01:30:40 AM: Jim got demodded over this yet Amir0x gets to be a mod still?

At least they let drinky post still. Balances things out a bit.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 19, 2007, 01:33:20 AM: Wait, I thought Drinky really got banned for good with his Chris Benoit freak out?

Quote from: Solomon87
I'm sorry but you guys are full of yourselves if you think you are so special because gaming industry people read this site. You don't think that gaming industry people pick over IGN, SHACK, SA? Evilore, get over yourself this site is nothing special and this Bell guy outed himself, not jim.

Thoughts on this?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: y2kev on July 19, 2007, 01:35:14 AM: Quote from: distantmantra on July 19, 2007, 01:33:20 AM
Wait, I thought Drinky really got banned for good with his Chris Benoit freak out?

Quote from: Solomon87
I'm sorry but you guys are full of yourselves if you think you are so special because gaming industry people read this site. You don't think that gaming industry people pick over IGN, SHACK, SA? Evilore, get over yourself this site is nothing special and this Bell guy outed himself, not jim.

Thoughts on this?

I don't really see how it's relevant. GAF has a respectable privacy policy for "insiders" that I don't think indicates or implies a conceit on GAF's part.

I think the whole situation became too serious too quickly. I blame Patrick for making this a fucking news story.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 19, 2007, 01:35:35 AM: real industry people don't give two shits about any message board

and yes, Patrick deserves the most blame
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Himu on July 19, 2007, 01:37:22 AM: What is ami's hand in all this? I haven't read the thread.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: y2kev on July 19, 2007, 01:39:31 AM: Quote from: Himuro on July 19, 2007, 01:37:22 AM
What is ami's hand in all this? I haven't read the thread.

He has no hand in this at all. Reread, Himu!
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 19, 2007, 01:42:09 AM: Quote from: Himuro on July 19, 2007, 01:37:22 AM
What is ami's hand in all this? I haven't read the thread.

He doesn't have anything to do with this. It's all Jim, exxy, and Mr. Bell.

Some people just don't like ami, that's all.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mondain on July 19, 2007, 01:46:13 AM: urgh damn I can't find the Hitokage post back, but it IS there somewhere in the forum's db

and I don't remember what Mark Rein's exact spelling of his name was
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: y2kev on July 19, 2007, 01:47:08 AM: Well, let me ask you, DC: if I asked you who you think (or "know," even) the virals are, would you tell me?

If not, do you think the relative reluctance and secrecy regarding "virals" bolsters their positions?

I'm sure GAF (and other forums) has viral marketers working, as you said. I'm kind of curious who they are myself. It'd just be interesting to know, at least.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2007, 01:52:07 AM: I work for 2K games.

LOOK AT MY POSTING HISTORY.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mondain on July 19, 2007, 01:53:23 AM: Found it! damn the proxy screws up all the URLs into garbage

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2477080&postcount=119

Quote
The statement "The Epic demo was running on a PC, and it was done using an early 7800 in SLI mode, so that was a high-end PC demo" is completely incorrect.

Our demo was NOT running on a PC. Our E3 PS3 demo was a live demo running on a PS3 development kit.

--Mark Rein, Epic Games Inc.

and then the confirmation

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2477153&postcount=130

Quote
Originally Posted by op_ivy:
junior members. *roll eyes*

:P
Unless somebody is hacking his inbox at Epic...

:lol then look at Hitokage's holier-than-thou attitude in EviLore's thread! what hypocrisy
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 19, 2007, 01:56:45 AM: Quote from: Willco on July 19, 2007, 01:52:07 AM
I work for 2K games.

LOOK AT MY POSTING HISTORY.

Whatever, I think you're either Marc Silvestri, Garth Ennis, or David Wohl, due to your undying love of The Darkness! :lol
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 19, 2007, 02:06:46 AM: I'm Donald Mustard, thank you for buying my game
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2007, 02:07:01 AM: Yes, but notice my pimping of All-Pro 2K Football and Bioshock. But maybe I am just Marc Silvestri getting kickbacks from 2K Games for furthering my Darkness promotion.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: TVC15 on July 19, 2007, 02:12:08 AM: WILLCO IS MICHAEL BAY!
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 19, 2007, 02:13:06 AM: hey "willco" so is megan fox a freak in the sack or what
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 19, 2007, 02:17:17 AM: 1UP is populated by bored children. You wouldn't see Gamespot running with this tabloid crap. Give me news, not drama.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2007, 02:19:41 AM: I'm tired of this shit. You people don't know the kind hours Willco puts in to bring Willco-brand entertainment to a public that loves Willco, but a critical group of pussies that are jealous of Willco's good looks and talent. You know what Willco has to say about that? FUCK IT.

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Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: cubicle47b on July 19, 2007, 03:34:42 AM: Quote
then look at Hitokage's holier-than-thou attitude in EviLore's thread! what hypocrisy

You really don't see the difference between what Hitokage did in that thread and what Jim did? Hitokage verified the identity of a user who claimed to be Mark Rein through his username and signature and who was speaking as an authority on what happened at E3 in a public thread. Jim verified the identity of a user who had sent a private message (that got publicly posted) to another user on the board under a username that isn't obvious without a bit of digging.

I found the whole thing pretty amusing until it became news.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Mondain on July 19, 2007, 05:24:44 AM: how was "bell" any less obvious than Mark Rein? and in the case of Bell, how didn't he allude just as much to being who he is by PMing a poster who dissed him with an uncanny question?

GAffers frequently register the nicknames of famous people, plenty of them being part of the game industry... I don't see how things are that different, what if it was to be some OAer's joke character who posed as him? or some random newbie who used it because it sounded cool? I saw people registering with names as CliffyB or Gabe Newell on other boards

bottom line is, Hitokage and Jim Cordeira recklessly revealed who the famous guys were to sound like heroes-- most any forum moderator or admin will ALWAYS take these occasions to valorize themselves in front of the forum crowd, and GAF's administrators are no different
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: bud on July 19, 2007, 06:24:30 AM: jim is probably the nicest mod on gaf (whiteman is a sick sick man, we all know that) and he probably outed bell since he was excited or something (we all were, i mean, a used car salesman posting about contributing to the society, lawl) and in the end he shouldn't have done that. but still, i like the guy.

patrick making a story about it on 1up is pretty lame.

jim :'(
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Shuri on July 19, 2007, 09:08:07 AM: You guys are really getting worked up about this.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 19, 2007, 09:29:51 AM: The funny thing about the thread is that it made GAF look completely ridiculous. From the fawning, exec-fanboys (OMG so and so posts here!!) to the moderation staff that dropped the ball. Not exactly a welcome sign for execs or devs that still post over there.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 19, 2007, 10:38:42 AM: What GAF did is very OA.
What 1UP did is very unprofessional.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: bud on July 19, 2007, 11:03:02 AM: Quote from: Lil' Slugger on July 19, 2007, 10:38:42 AM
What 1UP did is very unprofessional.

i don't even know why that's news worthy to be honest.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 19, 2007, 11:11:38 AM: I worked with Exxy quite a bit back in the GA days, I dunno whats happened since then but that news article reads like something from The Onion, just not as funny.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2007, 11:13:17 AM: It's a bigger deal with 1UP because they're supposed to be a legitimate news outlet. This isn't WiiNews.net or something, this is a full fledge subsidiary of Ziff Davis Media that works in conjunction with one of the most circulated gaming magazines in history.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 19, 2007, 11:14:52 AM: I didnt have much respect for 1up/EGM before, but this is just..jesus. Keep it to the message boards or create a shadow-fansite you can pump this shit through.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: cubicle47b on July 19, 2007, 11:37:14 AM: Quote
how was "bell" any less obvious than Mark Rein? and in the case of Bell, how didn't he allude just as much to being who he is by PMing a poster who dissed him with an uncanny question?

GAffers frequently register the nicknames of famous people, plenty of them being part of the game industry... I don't see how things are that different, what if it was to be some OAer's joke character who posed as him? or some random newbie who used it because it sounded cool? I saw people registering with names as CliffyB or Gabe Newell on other boards

bottom line is, Hitokage and Jim Cordeira recklessly revealed who the famous guys were to sound like heroes-- most any forum moderator or admin will ALWAYS take these occasions to valorize themselves in front of the forum crowd, and GAF's administrators are no different

This is a truly remarkable post. Let's look at this one more time keeping in mind your second paragraph.

Mark Rein registered as his real (full) name on the board, he made a post explaining what happened with his product at E3, and signed it with his real name and title. This is the real Mark Rein revealing himself publicly to speak as an authority figure. He wants people to know who he is but because of what happens in your second paragraph this is in doubt. Hitokage verifies that he is who he claims to be, the thread moves on. Mark Rein: "Hi, I'm Mark Rein. This is what actually happened at E3. And BTW, I'm really Mark Rein" Hitokage: "Yeah, he is"

Bell alluded to one person in a private message who he was. That private message was made public by the person he sent it to and although you could guess it was really him you didn't know because of paragraph 2. Then Jim confirmed that it was really him. A poster who had no public exposure, hadn't made any forum posts, and just registered because he wanted to send a private message to one person.

I know it's fun to slam GAF admins/moderators and all but this is just fucking stupid.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 19, 2007, 11:39:23 AM: Oh you GAFophiles
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 11:40:43 AM: Quote from: cubicle47b on July 19, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
I know it's fun to slam GAF admins/moderators and all but this is just fucking stupid.

I hope you go to heaven for your defense of all things GAf.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: cubicle47b on July 19, 2007, 11:47:38 AM: Fuck, I tell someone they have shitty logic and all of a sudden I'm a defender of "all things GAF" Pat yourselves on the back, guys, you're all special.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 11:49:35 AM: Quote from: cubicle47b on July 19, 2007, 11:47:38 AM
Fuck, I tell someone they have shitty logic and all of a sudden I'm a defender of "all things GAF" Pat yourselves on the back, guys, you're all special.

I don't know where the "shitty logic" comes in, all I see you is defending people that really don't deserve to be defended. Then again, I see the GAf administration as a bunch of spoiled, easily butthurt cunts so maybe I'm kinda biased.

But you're right about us all being special.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Shuri on July 19, 2007, 12:01:27 PM: Considering the whole leaked info drama that happened like two weeks ago here, i find this whole thread hilarious.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:03:10 PM: You're so much better than everyone, Shuri. And your constant reminders of that keep the rest of us plebes from ever forgetting.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Shuri on July 19, 2007, 12:05:48 PM: Admit it corny, you want me
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:06:51 PM: I want you to stop posting, yes.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 19, 2007, 12:10:43 PM: let's get jim over here
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Himu on July 19, 2007, 12:13:53 PM: Did Jim stop posting or something?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:14:45 PM: I think asking stupid questions should be a bannable offense. READ THE THREAD, HIMURO
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Himu on July 19, 2007, 12:16:10 PM: Just because he got demodded doesn't mean he stopped posting or even decided to leave neogaf, you ball sack.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:17:50 PM: Quote from: Himuro on July 19, 2007, 12:16:10 PM
Just because he got demodded doesn't mean he stopped posting or even decided to leave neogaf, you ball sack.

Okay Himuro, let's try using our intellect here: do you think you'd keep posting at the place you OWNED after you've been fucking demodded?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 19, 2007, 12:25:51 PM: St. C, how about leaving your thread ruining skillz over at OA?

and lolz at Willco for expecting 1up to be professional because they are part of a corporate umbrella. Most websites attached to professional magazines are jokes .. tabloid fodder masquerading as news. Even respectable ones like Forbes or Fortune.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:27:17 PM: Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 19, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
St. C, how about leaving your thread ruining skillz over at OA?

How about you leave your lecturing me on what I can and can't post somewhere else?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 19, 2007, 12:29:46 PM: Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 19, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
St. C, how about leaving your thread ruining skillz over at OA?

he's exclusive now, don't you sass him like that
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:30:24 PM: stop derailing the thread Demi! ::)
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 19, 2007, 12:34:41 PM: derail this rod, nicca
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:35:38 PM: behold my limb, mammyrammer
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: hyp on July 19, 2007, 12:45:41 PM: Quote from: dcharlie on July 19, 2007, 10:10:04 AM
Sonycowboy already said i should be sued by Sony for what i said about them so yeah.... screw this, my job is way too valuable to waste on a bunch of cocksnipes.

what'd you say about sony? was it one of your wild rants on the GAFcast?
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 19, 2007, 12:55:00 PM: this is really a non-event, and is a testimony to the collectively pathetic condition of the internet gaming community that it even merits notice.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: cubicle47b on July 19, 2007, 01:04:52 PM: Quote
I don't know where the "shitty logic" comes in, all I see you is defending people that really don't deserve to be defended.

I defended Hitokage by pointing out the difference between what he and Jim did. That's all. I can understand hating GAF admins/mods and their policies and I can certainly understand hating most of the posters at GAF. I don't think posters should call someone a hypocrite based on an example where they're not, though.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: TVC15 on July 19, 2007, 01:37:43 PM: For the record, we don't even know if that really was Mark Bell. His account was never activated even after he was sent a confirmation, so somebody else in the area could have made a fake account just to hammer off that one, single PM.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: demi on July 19, 2007, 01:49:51 PM: Sounds like damage control.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: TVC15 on July 19, 2007, 01:52:12 PM: Quote from: demi on July 19, 2007, 01:49:51 PM
Sounds like damage control.

No damage to control. A sacrificial lamb has been offered.

In all likelihood it *was* him, but we can't know without the confirmation email, just another reason the "outing" was so stupid.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: Eduardo24 on July 19, 2007, 03:40:29 PM: I thought GAF was owned by Evilore? I am confused :-\.
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDER
Post by: bud on July 20, 2007, 10:21:56 AM: Quote from: Saint Cornelius on July 19, 2007, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: Himuro on July 19, 2007, 12:16:10 PM
Just because he got demodded doesn't mean he stopped posting or even decided to leave neogaf, you ball sack.

Okay Himuro, let's try using our intellect here: do you think you'd keep posting at the place you OWNED after you've been fucking demodded?

sc owned.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7117728&postcount=1459
Title: Re: We aren't supposed to post about GAF threads but Bellaton is just TOO WONDERFUL
Post by: bud on July 20, 2007, 12:08:44 PM: nm wrong thread