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Title: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:00:28 PM
It's probably the reason I started watching the Star Trek movies...it just looked so cool.

The original design is iconic.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701%29%2C_ENT1231.jpg)

But I'm partial to the "refit" version seen in the original movies.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701-A%29.jpg)

I felt a twinge of sadness when Kirk blew up the original one in the third movie, though I'm glad he got a replacement in the next one (and I'm glad it was another Enterprise and not the Excelsior, which I was never particularly fond of).

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/Enterprise-AutoDestruct.jpg)

I don't really like any of the other Enterprises.  I especially dislike the Enterprise-D, which, with its huge saucer section, resembles nothing more than an encephalic child.  And I hate its interiors, which make it look like a Holiday Inn.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2007, 09:04:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/ogre2.jpg)
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:05:54 PM
We're all nerds here.  Your point? ???
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
The enterprise from Movies 1-6 ftw indeed. Tho I did become partial to the latest Next Gen incarnation cause it looked so badass. The 1-6 movies enterprise had that 'ol dependable' attraction to it.

The first next gen enterprise sucked cause they had all those civies in the saucer section which was stupid. I mean if its the equivalent to say a romulan warbird why even bother having it double as a warship with a detachable impulse speed saucer section.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 30, 2007, 09:09:15 PM
Yeah... uh, regardless of my own personal geekery, I was never able to get into Star Trek.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:19:07 PM
The Enterprise-E looks kind of bleagh to me, in all honesty.  :-\

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/NCC-1701-E.jpg/800px-NCC-1701-E.jpg)

It looks like a toy.

The Enterprise-D looked so lame...I'm glad it was blown up in Generations (the only good thing to happen in that movie).
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Glescoes on July 30, 2007, 09:19:51 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/ogre2.jpg)

star wars nerd  :lol

the everlasting struggle!
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 09:20:37 PM
come on quantum torps! Didnt voyager use Tri-Cobalt torps once. I never saw those again.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:22:03 PM
I thought it was ridiculous how huge the Enterprise-D and Enterprise-E were.  They're like four times the size of the original Enterprise or something.  :-\
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 09:23:37 PM
the E is actually not that big if you've seen the so-so nemesis movie. Or even first contact for the ginormous borg cube vs E comparison.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:32:05 PM
The problem with the E is that the design never became as iconic as the original, or even the D.  It was just a starship, nothing particularly special about it.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 09:44:47 PM
well its only existed in the movies
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Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:47:50 PM
I hope they reboot the whole Trek universe with the new movie and give us a new exxxtreme Enterprise with like machine gun turrets on it. :rofl
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: bagofeyes on July 30, 2007, 09:51:47 PM
Its pretty cool. Its also depressing that in my lifetime spaceships like this will never be invented. Fucking lameo current technology - wish I was born 500 years later.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 09:51:56 PM
Not sure guns work in space with a lack of oxygen. you'd have to funnel the blast internally I bet. The start of space weaponry is usually missiles or rail gunz
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 09:52:21 PM
bagofeyes: we can even make and environmentally friendly car
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Post by: pollo on July 30, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
lolz Star Trek. Fuckin nerds.

Star Wars is where its at.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 30, 2007, 09:55:30 PM
lolz Star Trek. Fuckin nerds.

Star Wars is where its at.

::)

Star Wars isn't even Science Fiction. :-\
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 09:55:45 PM
Star Wars was the better geekdom until the prequels hit.  I'd be ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan nowadays.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 30, 2007, 10:05:20 PM
star wars was stuck at proton torpedos, lol
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 10:06:22 PM
The USS Enterprise is cooler-looking than the Millennium Falcon, too.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 30, 2007, 11:06:10 PM
The USS Enterprise is cooler-looking than the Millennium Falcon, too.

no. 

The Enterprise looks like some new-aged girls vanity put on it's back. 
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2007, 11:19:22 PM
The USS Enterprise is cooler-looking than the Millennium Falcon, too.

no. 

The Enterprise looks like some new-aged girls vanity put on it's back. 

Whatever, teenager.  ::)

The Enterprise is fucking awesome.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Phase2-enterprise-2.png)
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: xnikki118x on July 31, 2007, 01:04:15 AM
Star Wars was the better geekdom until the prequels hit.  I'd be ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan nowadays.

I'm a Star Wars fan who just makes a point to tell people that the prequels suck.

Also, Millennium Falcon > Starship Enterprise. The Enterprise is pretty cool, though.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 01:24:06 AM
Star Wars was the better geekdom until the prequels hit.  I'd be ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan nowadays.

I'm a Star Wars fan who just makes a point to tell people that the prequels suck.

Also, Millennium Falcon > Starship Enterprise. The Enterprise is pretty cool, though.

I'm a Star Wars fan too.  About the only Star Trek stuff I like is the original series, and the original cast movies.

The USS Enterprise NCC-1701 owns the Millennium Falcon on every level, though.  :-*
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 01:48:02 AM
iirc star wars universe tech is a step before star trek universe tech so most star trek ships would have the leg up.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 01:50:56 AM
Just in terms of artistic design, the Enterprise is also a lot nicer.  The Millennium Falcon was designed with the whole "used universe" aesthetic in mind, which was in vogue at that time. I like that the modellers of the film version decided to eschew that particular design ethos and go for a very clean, classical look.  And even though it lacks all the thingamabobbles that the Millennium Falcon has all over its surface, the Enterprise still looks like a massive ship, a testament to quality of the physical models used.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 31, 2007, 01:57:44 AM
SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO (the Argo for you Star Blazer fucks) would OWN the homojapuality out of any ship mentioned here. Puny phaser banks? The YAMATO has the UNDULATION MOTHERFUCKING CANNON, which nukes fucking SUNS. It would wipe out a Death Star like Himu rubs one out to blue-haired line art lolis.

[youtube=425,350]ty-1zWsXFNs[/youtube]

motherfuckers put on SUNGLASSES to fire that shit, yo
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Post by: CajoleJuice on July 31, 2007, 01:59:51 AM
Yamato?

Starcraft...

Terran Battlecruisers?
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 02:02:06 AM
lol, if you're going to bring HOMOJAPUALITY into this argument, then I would like to introduce you to Ideon:

(http://spaceship.brainiac.com/Tsukuda/ideon.jpg)

In the series finale, Ideon uses its black hole cannon to destroy...not an enemy fleet, not a moon, not a planet, not a solar system, not even a galaxy...it destroys THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE.  EVERYTHING DIES!
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: TVC15 on July 31, 2007, 02:02:25 AM
Sorry Trek gays:

(http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Tardis-Tennant.jpg)
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 02:04:07 AM
Im just saying scientifically, the enterprise could whoop most starships out there.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 02:07:01 AM
What's faster, hyperspeed or warp drive?
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 31, 2007, 02:08:06 AM
UNDULATION CANNON
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 02:08:58 AM
that doesnt even make sense, and warp drive is faster iirc as using warp 9.0+ around the sun with sling you back in time.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 31, 2007, 02:11:30 AM
i thought hyperspace was a sort of space folding thingie
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Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 02:14:02 AM
It was a trick question anyway, the correct answer was ludicrous speed.  :-*

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Spaceballs.jpg/399px-Spaceballs.jpg)
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 02:17:55 AM
Basically more star wars stuff used lasers n shit, which were what the star trekkerz universe used prior to phasers and whatnot.

I think the big problem in a star wars vs star trek match up is the mentality behind the ship design. Most cruisers in the star wars universe were outfitted primarily to defend against fighters and maybe assault another cruiser with, at most, turbo lasers. Most of the damage was expected to be carried out by Y-Wing/B-Wing escorted by A-Wings, with X-Wings being the jack of all trades (ie F-14) of the fighter forces. It's been demonstrated many times that Federation ships can easily spread phaser fire in 360 degrees to multiple targets. Deflectors of the star wars universe wouldn't be able to take a full capital ship grade phaser blast. Since the empire mirrored the fighter-based strategy aside from say the DEATH STAR which excelled at hitting things directly in front of it I cant see how'd they do much better.

Then you have the star trek universe which focused on capital ship combat, but not only that eventually evolved into a focus on extremely fast and heavily armored frigates which could unleash stupid powerful payloads (ie defiant) and evade most attacks. Additionally the Star Trek universe had much more time to mature as it never entered a bizzare post apocalyptic technology level (ie a new hope - return of the jedi). I mean turbo lasers will not even scratch star trek shields, at all. I mean thats kid stuff by then. Plus by the end of DS9 people were using quantum torpedos like candy, and Voyager introduced the cobalt torps which would probably rip the deathstar to shreds and those were carried by voyager which iirc is considered a scout class frigate. Then the shields of star trek ships are made to take high grade quantum torpedos. I mean I suspect their deflectors normally used to clear debrie would be enough to keep fighters from dropping 'bombs' so to speak.

I honestly dont take the Force shit into account cause that just breaks the whole goddamend match up, but then again you could pitch Janeway against the Jedi cause she'd just break 80 prime directives and make it so the rebellion never won.

Drinky: iirc if you fold space travel should take no time at all, while ships in hyperspace in star wars spent time IN hyperspace.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 02:28:29 AM
The Defiant was the ship from DS9, right?  I never quit watching Star Trek around the second season of DS9 or so, shortly before that ship was introduced.  ???
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 02:31:37 AM
Defiant is still the toughest fucking ship in the galaxy, I mean not only was it fast, had a stupid powerful payload, could cloak, but also was made for battle and outfitted with armor that was MEANT to take hits without shields. This isnt counting the voyager or even its delta flyer after the future upgrades in the last voyager ep. Im not sure exactly what the federation did with those upgrades considering they were gained from an obvious violation in the time travel prime directive. I suspect if they kept those upgrades the balance of power in the universe would have been am fucked total. Then again ST:Nemesis showed nothing of the new abilities so I dunno what happened.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: xnikki118x on July 31, 2007, 02:32:05 AM
Star Wars was the better geekdom until the prequels hit.  I'd be ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan nowadays.

I'm a Star Wars fan who just makes a point to tell people that the prequels suck.

Also, Millennium Falcon > Starship Enterprise. The Enterprise is pretty cool, though.

I'm a Star Wars fan too.  About the only Star Trek stuff I like is the original series, and the original cast movies.

The USS Enterprise NCC-1701 owns the Millennium Falcon on every level, though.  :-*

I never got into Star Trek. I hope we can still be friends.



It was a trick question anyway, the correct answer was ludicrous speed.  :-*

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Spaceballs.jpg/399px-Spaceballs.jpg)

I LOVE THIS MOVIE FOREVER AND EVERRR.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 02:34:23 AM
Defiant is still the toughest fucking ship in the galaxy, I mean not only was it fast, had a stupid powerful payload, could cloak, but also was made for battle and outfitted with armor that was MEANT to take hits without shields. This isnt counting the voyager or even its delta flyer after the future upgrades in the last voyager ep. Im not sure exactly what the federation did with those upgrades considering they were gained from an obvious violation in the time travel prime directive. I suspect if they kept those upgrades the balance of power in the universe would have been am fucked total. Then again ST:Nemesis showed nothing of the new abilities so I dunno what happened.

So the Defiant is stronger than the Enterprise-E?
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 02:39:15 AM
EH, tough to say. It was definately tougher than the Enterprise D IMO, but the E ditched the colony saucer and was outfitted with 'the latest shit'. I think the cloak of the defiant would give it the edge depending on its captain. Admittedly the Sovereign Class was intended to be top o the line elite blah blah but damn if cloak and crazy durability, payload, and mobility make the defiant the winner in my book.

The Ent-E only did well against the borg in first contact because of picards inside knowledge, I think if he was on the defiant with that crap it wouldn't have been so trashed in that movie.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 02:51:57 AM
From Wiki regarding lasers used in a trek episode against the OLD Ent-D:

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Lasers
Lasers are a sidearm in the original Star Trek pilot "The Cage", and laser pistols appear in several Original Series episodes.

In one instance, the ship-mounted lasers of two spacecraft were incapable of overcoming the navigational shields of the USS Enterprise-D.

Also I was wrong about the voyager torpedos, they're TRICOBALT torps that tear holes in subspace, only used once umm ever, on voyager boggle. Voyager also had the strongest torps in star trek history in the finale:

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Tricobalt devices
USS Voyager uses a pair of tricobalt devices to destroy the Caretaker array in the Star Trek: Voyager pilot episode, "Caretaker". Tricobalt devices are not a standard armament of Federation vessels and yields are calculated in Tera-Cochranes. The tricobalt warhead is a subspace weapon whose high-yield detonations can tear holes in subspace.[18][19]

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Transphasic torpedoes
Transphasic torpedoes appear only once, in the Voyager series finale, Endgame. They are high-yield torpedoes that are designed specifically to fight the Borg. The future Admiral Janeway brought them back in time in a Federation shuttle-craft and had them installed onboard Voyager in 2377. They are among the most powerful weapons used in the Star Trek universe; this is evident from the fact that one torpedo is capable of destroying an entire Borg Cube, a feat normally requiring a severe amount of punishment using standard Federation weapons.
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Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 03:13:12 AM
Okay, now that's just ridiculous levels of firepower right there.  One of the reasons I don't really like any Trek that takes place during the TNG timeline.  :-\
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Post by: TVC15 on July 31, 2007, 03:29:15 AM
The TARDIS is indestructible!  Star Trek loses!
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 03:31:42 AM
Who cares, the TARDIS is ugly.  On looks alone, the Enterprise is purtier.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2007, 03:33:46 AM
Who cares, the TARDIS is ugly.  On looks alone, the Enterprise is purtier.

But it's bigger on the inside. 
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Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 03:43:02 AM
Who cares, the TARDIS is ugly.  On looks alone, the Enterprise is purtier.

But it's bigger on the inside. 

So's yer mom.

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Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: TVC15 on July 31, 2007, 03:51:40 AM
Who cares, the TARDIS is ugly.  On looks alone, the Enterprise is purtier.

What do looks matter when compared to utility?  The TARDIS is a better ship than anything else out there.
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Post by: bagofeyes on July 31, 2007, 03:55:50 AM
Screw ships. I prefer space jaunting.
Title: Re: The USS Enterprise is pretty much the coolest-looking spaceship ever
Post by: Ichirou on July 31, 2007, 08:54:26 AM
Who cares, the TARDIS is ugly.  On looks alone, the Enterprise is purtier.

What do looks matter when compared to utility?  The TARDIS is a better ship than anything else out there.

Because I'm talking about aesthetics, not how super-strong or powerful or whatever the fuck else you people are talking about?
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 10:46:55 AM
Thats not much of a discussion tho lol
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Post by: TVC15 on July 31, 2007, 12:18:49 PM
TARDIS wins as far as aesthetics go, too.
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 31, 2007, 12:29:31 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/SW_Executor_01.jpg)

Length   19 kilometers

 :o
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 31, 2007, 12:33:50 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Death_Star.jpg)

Quote
These two battle stations are enormous spheres; the first measuring a couple hundred kilometers in diameter and the second, over 900km.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Death_Star.jpg)

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These two battle stations are enormous spheres; the first measuring a couple hundred kilometers in diameter and the second, over 900km.

Dimples are so sexy.  Death star wins. 
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 31, 2007, 06:45:41 PM
Hyperspace is way fucking faster than warp drives.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 07:05:16 PM
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Debates are often centered on which faction would win in various military encounters. Technological, strategic and tactical considerations all come into play, as well as a diversity of side-issues. However, the technology and settings in the two universes are usually very different, making comparisons difficult. For example, warp drive works on different physical principles than hyperdrive, and the terminology used to describe speed is different.

from wiki. Guess we're both wrong lol.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 07:07:55 PM
OMG ultimate resource: Interesting stuff!

http://www.st-v-sw.net/
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Post by: abrader on July 31, 2007, 07:09:30 PM
(http://i.imdb.com/Icons/poster_under_licence.gif)

I LOVE the ship from The Black hole....its my fav...best exteriors, and best interiors....id fukkin live there forever and drift forever.
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Post by: abrader on July 31, 2007, 07:10:29 PM
(http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue08/reviews/blackhole/pic2.jpg)
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Post by: abrader on July 31, 2007, 07:11:17 PM
(http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/h_black_hole_movie_01,1.jpg)

fuks now im obsessed with this ship thanks to this thread...
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Post by: abrader on July 31, 2007, 07:15:01 PM
(http://www.the-starbearer.de/Bilder/Roboter%20aus%20Film%20und%20Buch/maximillian.JPG)

Remember maximillian? damn this movie rox my face off.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2007, 07:20:54 PM
http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWweakhull.html

lol these guys am hardcore total