lol what do we care, we get oil. let them fight :) let's pay for their vacation ;)
I wish those dumb fucks wouldn't have overthrown Saddam. Now they have the nerve to do this?
That region will never be peaceful, ever.
This is the biggest problem with the whole damn war. To gain independence and democracy the people have to want it, you cant force it on them.
good thing this mess isn't America's fault! stupid Iraqi politicians.
That region will never be peaceful, ever.
How come when I say this, it's racist?
good thing this mess isn't America's fault! stupid Iraqi politicians.
No matter how many fucking times I say "this isn't a debate about the Iraq war", people will still make completely irrelevant comments like that. ::)
Yes, the entire war starting was completely America's fault. That does not excuse why these Iraq politicians cannot agree of anything after 3 years of talking about shit. Try and seperate your thinking for a just a second.
poverty breeds angry people with seriously short-term thinking, which breeds killing, which in turns breeds a fanatical, polarized spin on the local culture and religion.
you can see it in america, duder. very few rich baptists, for sure!
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because you don't say it. maf isn't saying the problem is islam, or middle-eastern culture, or the general nature of the people in that region; he's simply making an observation, not drawing an erroneous and ill-informed conclusion. the region WILL never be peaceful, but not for the reasons you seem to favor, racist.
good thing this mess isn't America's fault! stupid Iraqi politicians.
No matter how many fucking times I say "this isn't a debate about the Iraq war", people will still make completely irrelevant comments like that. ::)
Yes, the entire war starting was completely America's fault. That does not excuse why these Iraq politicians cannot agree of anything after 3 years of talking about shit. Try and seperate your thinking for a just a second.
you can't separate the two, and it's unfair to point to the "Iraqi politicians" in a vaccuum. i could take your forum posts independent of your real world situation and say "look! what an ill-informed distinguished mentally-challenged fellow! why doesn't he try to think for a change!" -- would that be fair to you? we fucked up their country and created this situation; just because you, in your safe little white-bread world perched archly behind a computer screen in a sanitized little suburban neighborhood, announce you might have behaved with more decorum in the same situation doesn't really suggest a meaningful point even worth discussing. hurr, tigerriot thinks that people in a bad situation do bad things! hurr, all muslims are petty, venal and evil! hurr! the broader and more useful conversation that we can have -- why such a situation even exists -- implicitly indicts america's gross failure in the region.
don't be a revisionist, foc. nobody complained until you started riffing on islam.
don't be a revisionist, foc. nobody complained until you started riffing on islam.
If I could search for threads I would post it. It was the last big thread we had. I said the whole region is a shit hole and all you fegs starting got your panties in a budle. Im not revising my opinion of Islam. I still think its a shitty religion.
I wish those dumb fucks wouldn't have overthrown Saddam. Now they have the nerve to do this?
What? I don't think your witty reply made much sense.
Listen folks. I already said it in the first post, I'm not asking anyone to debate the merits of the Iraq war. The fact is, it happened! It's already done, and now the Iraqi's have a chance to make something of it. So I'm simply asking everyone to take a look at the Iraqi politicians and ask yourself "are they doing all they could to get things going in the right direction"? The answer is clearly no, and I find that fucking pathetic.
They're simply being asked to come to an agreement on oil revenue sharing, and these stupid fucks can't get it done. It's not like we're asking them to build a spaceship to take us to mars. They've simply got to sit down and work this shit out, and yet they take a fucking 5 week vacation in the middle of all this turmoil. Un-fucking-believable.
What's even more is these idiots see their felllow citizens dying by the day, as well as foreign troops who are only trying to do a job. Yet they simply can't get it done. I've never seen such a lack of sense in my life. You'd think at some point that one side would just give in, and get a deal done, but no, they just keep on arguing about it.
"a simple agreement about how oil revenues are split up"
:lol :lol :lol
dude, i never mentioned bush. i don't even think about bush these days; complaining about him serves no purpose. as for "real men" -- again, way to go with the whole moral clarity out of ignorance thing, Captain Suburbia!
Those people are terrorists too, but its hardly the same thing as blowing up shit in the Europe or America. Like I said before I really dont care what happens in the middle east. The place is a giant shithole.
"a simple agreement about how oil revenues are split up"
:lol :lol :lol
dude, i never mentioned bush. i don't even think about bush these days; complaining about him serves no purpose. as for "real men" -- again, way to go with the whole "moral clarity out of ignorance" thing, Captain Suburbia! omg tigerriot woulda done the right thing in iraq is probably the most useless observation one could make with regards to this entire snafu.
religion isn't the problem. the problem is widespread poverty due to a lack of diverse resources, and totalitarian oligarchic control of the few resources that do exist. poverty breeds angry people with seriously short-term thinking, which breeds killing, which in turns breeds a fanatical, polarized spin on the local culture and religion. you wanna make 'em behave? start getting the locals some food and some of that serious oil money. when they start to develop something to lose -- when they start to have a personal monetary stake in the development of their communities and country -- then maybe they'll start to say "hey, this shit ain't worth dyin' over" and turn the dial back on the fanaticism.
also, fuck the american religion of democracy.What in the hell does america know about democracy?
Maf says "That region will never be peaceful, ever."
I say "The place is a shithole"
If its non stop war over there how can it not be a shithole. Seems like very similar comments, where one is worded a little nicer.
You really don't get it. I'm done
Anyone want to talk about The Shield?
I say fuck them, Iraq is non of our busniess. If they want to live in a shitty country let them. Bring the troops home and spend the money on things that actually help america.
the real question is: knowing this, why do erstwhile commentators continue to talk in ideals instead of broaching the fucking reality?
1. it's about large sums of money. nothing is ever simple about the distribution of large sums of money. never you mind that the us has a massively self-interested stake in these revenues, and are backing certain horses moreso than others.
2. it's a heavily polarized region, exacerbated well past the boiling point by the us intervention. it's not about being "big"; the politicians' constituents still demand revenge and retribution, and they want to see the other parties screwed and tattooed. in fact, right now, in the current climate, retribution is probably more important to them than stability.
3. observing that the character of a politician is petty and self-interested is like observing that a pig will shit in its own bed.
this is reality. we are dealing with a real situation, where ideals rarely manifest. idealism is the fantasy world of milkfat white guys with posh it jobs, and republican bureaucrats with very little understanding of middle-eastern culture but a mad desire to stay on message.
observations like "why can't they just get along" are pointless. the iraqi politico set will NOT get along. they will delay and backstab and attempt to fuck each other over, and the united states will continue to add its own smarmy shit to the pigpen. the real question is: knowing this, why do erstwhile commentators continue to talk in ideals instead of broaching the fucking reality?
The way some of you have responded to me in this thread, it's like you wake up at night and the house is on fire. Some of you want to debate with me who started this house fire, and who didn't turn off the stove before bed. I'm saying "Hey, let's just get these people out of the house", and you're saying "No, but we didn't want this fire in the first place, so who's going to put it out?". Then I'm like "Who the fuck cares about the fire, let's get the fuck out of this house!".
The way some of you have responded to me in this thread, it's like you wake up at night and the house is on fire. Some of you want to debate with me who started this house fire, and who didn't turn off the stove before bed. I'm saying "Hey, let's just get these people out of the house", and you're saying "No, but we didn't want this fire in the first place, so who's going to put it out?". Then I'm like "Who the fuck cares about the fire, let's get the fuck out of this house!".
a. it's not my house. it's an apartment complex half a city over.
b. however, my rich elitist fucking neighbor is an arsonist who was spotted on the shitty side of the tracks with a bucket of naphtha and a cigarette lighter, and he left his brothers there to "help with cleanup." he claims the complex was owned by a crazy pedophile, and this was the best thing for all the tenants.
c. my other neighbor, a republican tool, suggests that i should be morally outraged on a messageboard when the members of the new tenancy board all make individual grabs for the tv sets in the building.
Tigerriot is like 14, isn't he?
Ooh shit, he pulled the "mature" card!!~
the real question is: knowing this, why do erstwhile commentators continue to talk in ideals instead of broaching the fucking reality?
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