THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Fresh Prince on September 02, 2007, 11:59:43 PM
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Pretty average throughout. Nothing stands out except Flashing Lights and The Good Life will do the goods as a single. Doesn't have the invigorative feel of the first nor the accomplishment of the second.
Basically :zzz
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Fiddy wins!
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I listened to 30 second snippets of each track and I must say I was underwhelmed for the most part. But to be fair I said the same after listening to snippets of Late Registration, which I wound up loving after hearing the entire album. I'm still hyped and will be getting it early on the 11th.
I heard Curtis...wow, 50. It's amazing how bad he sounds now. He's been getting worse with each album, and it's no coincidence that each one has had fewer Dre tracks
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Are you serious
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Yes I am. Hip Hop is Dead etc.
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it seems this year is like the most disappointing year for hip hop ever
all the anticipated albums are MEH or disappointing.
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Is Kanye some kind of closet japafag nerd? What's the deal with Akira references in his video for Stronger?
Kanye follows trends. Last album he was on a whole indie vibe, this one he's on a japafag vibe.
Also that video was by Hype Williams which is actually an improvement on the whole letterbox thing he had in 2006.
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I downloaded both Curtis and Graduation tonight, so I'm going to go ahead and listen to them tomorrow and see if I can enjoy them. Both of them have bored me to tears in the past.
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Who is this Kanye? What a dumbarse name
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Hip hop is still around? Shit.
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all of kanye's albums suck. his overproduced beats and sped-up vocal samples are a fucking plague on hiphop.
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Yes I am. Hip Hop is Dead etc.
Just because two overrated drama queen emcees drop shitty albums, don't presume the entire art form is dead.
...that said, this has really been an "eh" year for hip-hop.
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Just because two overrated drama queen emcees drop shitty albums, don't presume the entire art form is dead.
...that said, this has really been an "eh" year for hip-hop.
listen to this man. real talk.
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all of kanye's albums suck. his overproduced beats and sped-up vocal samples are a fucking plague on hiphop.
College Dropout is one of the best rap albums of the last 5 years; even most people who don't like Kanye admit that. Late Registration is also a great album. I understand you're in the business of hyperbole, but at least show some knowledge sometimes; I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard either album.
I got Graduation this morning, and after the first listen I'm disappointed, but there's still lots to like. The album starts great, but the middle is rather meh (Drunk Hot Girls, Barry Bonds). It ends on a great note though as he gets back to his roots with Everything I Am, The Glory, and Big Brother. Flashing Lights is also great, and features one of Kanye's best beats.
Then there's The Good Life, which sounds like a monster hit. And I can't stand T-Pain lol.
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College Dropout is one of the best rap albums of the last 5 years; even most people who don't like Kanye admit that.
It's one of the best MAINSTREAM rap albums of the last 5 years. Put it up against some underground notables and you'll see how unimpressive it really is. Come on man, the guy is from the cat-hat-rat school of rhyming and The RZA wants his sped-up soul loops back.
Still better than Fiddy though.
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all of kanye's albums suck. his overproduced beats and sped-up vocal samples are a fucking plague on hiphop.
College Dropout is one of the best rap albums of the last 5 years; even most people who don't like Kanye admit that. Late Registration is also a great album. I understand you're in the business of hyperbole, but at least show some knowledge sometimes; I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard either album.
I got Graduation this morning, and after the first listen I'm disappointed, but there's still lots to like. The album starts great, but the middle is rather meh (Drunk Hot Girls, Barry Bonds). It ends on a great note though as he gets back to his roots with Everything I Am, The Glory, and Big Brother. Flashing Lights is also great, and features one of Kanye's best beats.
Then there's The Good Life, which sounds like a monster hit. And I can't stand T-Pain lol.
to be honest, it's hard for me to appreciate anything mainstream after being an underground hiphop head for so long. don't get me wrong, when i hear a nice beat, i dig it. but i'm not impressed with kanye's flows and i just don't dig his beats and sampling. it's just a matter of personal taste. i was listening to common sense (aka common), hobo junction, hiero, nas, and gang starr when kids were all about snoop, dre, bushwick bill, cypress hill, eazy-e, tupac, etc. (yea i'm old)
and you're right, i haven't listened to either. but that's because all the tracks i hear from kanye leave me with a bad taste. through the wire was pretty much the icing on the cake -- once i heard that, i heard enough.
feel free to enlighten me why you think "college dropout" is one of the best rap albums of the last 5 years. i'm just curious what your criteria is for rating hiphop albums.
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it's pretty good so far. i'm at track 3 now.
at the very least the production is ace.
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all of kanye's albums suck. his overproduced beats and sped-up vocal samples are a fucking plague on hiphop.
College Dropout is one of the best rap albums of the last 5 years; even most people who don't like Kanye admit that. Late Registration is also a great album. I understand you're in the business of hyperbole, but at least show some knowledge sometimes; I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard either album.
I got Graduation this morning, and after the first listen I'm disappointed, but there's still lots to like. The album starts great, but the middle is rather meh (Drunk Hot Girls, Barry Bonds). It ends on a great note though as he gets back to his roots with Everything I Am, The Glory, and Big Brother. Flashing Lights is also great, and features one of Kanye's best beats.
Then there's The Good Life, which sounds like a monster hit. And I can't stand T-Pain lol.
to be honest, it's hard for me to appreciate anything mainstream after being an underground hiphop head for so long. don't get me wrong, when i hear a nice beat, i dig it. but i'm not impressed with kanye's flows and i just don't dig his beats and sampling. it's just a matter of personal taste. i was listening to common sense (aka common), hobo junction, hiero, nas, and gang starr when kids were all about snoop, dre, bushwick bill, cypress hill, eazy-e, tupac, etc. (yea i'm old)
and you're right, i haven't listened to either. but that's because all the tracks i hear from kanye leave me with a bad taste. through the wire was pretty much the icing on the cake -- once i heard that, i heard enough.
feel free to enlighten me why you think "college dropout" is one of the best rap albums of the last 5 years. i'm just curious what your criteria is for rating hiphop albums.
You've admitted you don't know the material. How can you throw criticism at something you haven't heard? It's like me saying a movie sucks...after seeing 15 minutes of it. I would challenge you to download College Dropout and listen to it; it's not typical "mainstream" rap by any means.
You're a hip hop vet. I go into hip hop thru Kanye in many ways. Before College Dropout I didn't really know much about Common, Mos, Talib, etc. I wound up looking up all those artists, and each one led me to other artists such as the Roots, Lauryn Hill, etc. Now most of my favorite hip hop is "underground/backpack" stuff. I love when Cornelius and others make hip hop threads because they always introduce me to something new (that's old to them). Brother Ali, Immortal Technique, Atmosphere, Soul Position, The Coop, J5, Little Brother, etc.
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I love when Cornelius and others make hip hop threads because they always introduce me to something new (that's old to them). Brother Ali, Immortal Technique, Atmosphere, Soul Position, The Coop, J5, Little Brother, etc.
For the record, I haven't bigged up any of those people. It's not that I don't like 'em but I feel they get plenty of shine as it is.
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nevar forget!!1
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You've admitted you don't know the material. How can you throw criticism at something you haven't heard? It's like me saying a movie sucks...after seeing 15 minutes of it. I would challenge you to download College Dropout and listen to it; it's not typical "mainstream" rap by any means.
You're a hip hop vet. I go into hip hop thru Kanye in many ways. Before College Dropout I didn't really know much about Common, Mos, Talib, etc. I wound up looking up all those artists, and each one led me to other artists such as the Roots, Lauryn Hill, etc. Now most of my favorite hip hop is "underground/backpack" stuff. I love when Cornelius and others make hip hop threads because they always introduce me to something new (that's old to them). Brother Ali, Immortal Technique, Atmosphere, Soul Position, The Coop, J5, Little Brother, etc.
have you listened to 2000 fold, it is perfection
I command you to find it.
fuck wiki
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First of all, get the fuck out of this thread. Don't even be in the same threads I'm in.
Second, the fuck outta here with that SoB bullshit. They're like Limp Bisquick nowadays, even Moka Only won't fuck with them anymore.
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Eh, from what I heard they have some good stuff. Haven't heard any new music from SoB outside of the Fort Minor collabos
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I must say that although I think Kanye is a dickhole, I respect him for doing something different. College Dropout was the mainstream hip hop album that I needed to have faith in the music again and delve further.
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its good. Just take out Barry Bonds and that track with Mos Def.
WTF was he thinking? Seems arrogant to me to include tracks like that.
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Arrogant or lazy?
The album seems rushed in many areas. The lyrics are definitely a step down, and tracks like CTMN and Champion sound unfinished; the chorus transition in Champion is simply wrong. Seems like he was rushing to keep the 911 release date and go toe to toe with 50; he didn't want to back down due to ego imo.
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i thought the mos def track was pretty awesome. that t-pain track was meh, though.
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flashing lights <3
edit: the album's great. the only song that i don't really like is the one with t-pain; the last track is ok, but the rest was pretty good, imo.
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WTF happened to styles of beyond. ???
PD, i've had enough exposure to kanye's tracks whether it be the radio, a friend bumping college dropout in the car, or television to make up my mind that i don't like what i hear. will listening to the entire album really change my mind when kanye's flow does not appeal to me? i'd prefer to listen to his instrumentals if it was an option, mainly his more simple productions -- there are a few tracks i could appreciate. but i can't stand his voice, and his lyrical style bores me.
if that's not enough to justify me not liking his music, then i don't know what is. you're lying to yourself if there hasn't been an artist you've heard initially and did not find appealing upon first, second or third listen. it doesn't take a full listen of any artist to convince yourself whether you like it or not -- it just clicks right away. it's simple really, i know what i like... and kanye's music isn't it.
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lol PD thinks hes black, but hes really white
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Homecoming is good too, though that's more due to Chris Martin than anyone else.
Kanye felt he needed to prove he was a rapper on the first album and so really stepped up. On the second he was trying to prove he did deserve the 'Top 3 Producer' tag and stepped up again. This one he has nothing to prove (except beating 50).
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Homecoming is good too, though that's more due to Chris Martin than anyone else.
Is that the one that sampled the shitty Coldplay song that sampled Kraftwerk's awesome "Computer Love", or is that Jay-Z?
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No I don't think so, this is a piano sample.
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i fucking love everything i am. so laid back and the bass is awesome.
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The more I listen to the album the more I'm impressed. On first listen I was a bit down, but after fully digesting the entire thing I'm happy. I still stand by my statement that it's not as good as Late Registration or College Dropout, but I'd say it's a 4/5 type album.
One of the biggest problems with modern rap is that artists rarely show any type of growth from album to album. The public almost demands that artists keep their attention with hit songs that sound like their previous work, which leads to rappers essentially remaking their biggest hits over and over throughout their career; this rarely works as planned and you get into a diminishing returns situation. Kanye's growth from album to album is quite impressive. College Dropout was a rather gritty, east coast album with sped up samples and a clear soul foundation. Late Registration featured an excess orchestral sound complimented by a flurry of pop (Adam Levine), soul (Keisha Cole), and R&B (Jamie Fox) singers. On Graduation Kanye ups the notch by mixing both styles while adding a new found love of synth and techno. The result is a mixture of brilliance and potential, for better and for worse.
The first track Good Morning opens on a familiar note, with an Elton John sample and hard drums over which Kanye announces his arrival. The synth influence is first heard on Champion, and from there it never leaves. It really gives the album a very enthusiastic, positive vibe; this perfectly fits the graduation theme of the album. Just like Late Registration, Graduation features some tracks where his new direction doesn't seem to totally work. The "street" single Can't Tell Me Nothing features a hypnotic beat and doesn't feature a sample, but its bogged down by some rather weak lyrical attempts. Drunk and Hot Girls is perhaps the most experimental song on the album, and it never seems to "work" fully; it's still a good song, if just for the potential that spews from it. Finally while Barry Bonds features one of Kanye's best verses, its bogged down by a horrible guest verse from Lil Wayne; it's a shame he's the only guest rapper on the album.
On The Good Life Kanye constructs a near perfect pop song that is destined to be a #1 hit; T-Pain may be an annoying artist but his vocal tricks fit the song perfectly. But the album's defining moment is perhaps Flashing Lights, where the new found direction is perfectly realized. It features one of the best beats I've heard in some time. The song also marks the best part of the album, as the next four songs are all great. Everything I Am is a return to the soul samples of College Dropout, and DJ Premier's scratches only serve to take it to another level. The Glory is even better, and easily my favorite song on the album. The production is simply incredible as Kanye balances all three styles together perfectly.
Homecoming is a great song in part because of the storytelling (think I Used to Love H.E.R.), but it falls short of surpassing the original version (Home, featured on the College Dropout advance) to me. The album closes with Big Brother, an ode to Jay-Z. Like Homecoming it also is marked by some of the best storytelling on the album.
Once again Mr. West shows us that he's ahead of the class. So far he has successfully tackled three different musical themes, and I can't wait to see what's next. A jazz monstrosity to rival The Low End Theory?
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One of the biggest problems with modern rap is that artists rarely show any type of growth from album to album. The public almost demands that artists keep their attention with hit songs that sound like their previous work, which leads to rappers essentially remaking their biggest hits over and over throughout their career; this rarely works as planned and you get into a diminishing returns situation. Kanye's growth from album to album is quite impressive. College Dropout was a rather gritty, east coast album with sped up samples and a clear soul foundation. Late Registration featured an excess orchestral sound complimented by a flurry of pop (Adam Levine), soul (Keisha Cole), and R&B (Jamie Fox) singers. On Graduation Kanye ups the notch by mixing both styles while adding a new found love of synth and techno. The result is a mixture of brilliance and potential, for better and for worse.
hit the nail on the coffin right there. biggest reason why i stopped listening to commercial hiphop after high school. the bigger the hit, the more record companies like to construct an artist's "image". they end up losing themselves in the process. murs won't be the same man after his commercial career is done with.
Once again Mr. West shows us that he's ahead of the class. So far he has successfully tackled three different musical themes, and I can't wait to see what's next. A jazz monstrosity to rival The Low End Theory?
you're getting WAY ahead of yourself there. :lol
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I'm watching a show on TV now where they're laughing at the strange Japanese that was appearing in one of his music videos. What a japafag.
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Your mom sucks.
What are we talking about?
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sp0rsk :sp0rsk1
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i downloaded kanye's new album just to see what all the fuss is about with him, after only hearing like 2 of his songs in the past -- "gold digger" and whatever that one is playing in the blood diamond credits.
anyway, i'm no rap expert or connoisseur (i own 50 cent's first album for nostalgia purposes alone)... but i thought graduation was an absolute snore-fest. the only song on the album that i actually like is "stronger," and i suspect it's only because he sampled daft punk.
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Kanye sampled Daft Punk?
I've only listened to College Dropout a couple of times, I much preferred Late Registration. I'll have to check out that tune though.
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Once again Mr. West shows us that he's ahead of the class. So far he has successfully tackled three different musical themes, and I can't wait to see what's next. A jazz monstrosity to rival The Low End Theory?
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oh pd :(
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and i suspect it's only because he sampled daft punk.
okay now that's a fucking sin right there.
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oh pd :(
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okay now that's a fucking sin right there.
It's not like he said anything really awe inspiring or absolutely rode the beat.
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Cloudwalking, you should check out some PUTS. People Under the Stairs! They're the anti-snore fest.
And check out Edan's "Beauty and the Beat" too.
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I take back what I said about this album.
Its not good.
Its the fucking shit.
A few more listens to "I Wonder" has solidified that
It's where I'm at in my life right now and the beat to this song goes beautifully with the subject matter.
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so should I get this or not
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so should I get this or not
i think i liked his previous album more, but it's still a good listen nonetheless, imo. it's a grower, though, i'd say.
everything i am <3
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Cloudwalking, you should check out some PUTS. People Under the Stairs! They're the anti-snore fest.
And check out Edan's "Beauty and the Beat" too.
fucking edan!!! :bow
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Wayy better than his last album.
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I like Ayo Technology a lot better than Stronger.
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Is that who I think it is...in your avatar?
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Probably not...
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I love his cadence. The way he rides the beat on I wonder. I can't stop. listening.
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Good Life, Flashing Lights, and Everything I am are the only good tracks on the album.
Big Brother and Barry Bonds have good production, but I don't care to hear how much of a hard-on Kanye has for Jay, and Li'l Wayne sucks.