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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: demi on September 06, 2007, 05:20:51 PM

Title: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: demi on September 06, 2007, 05:20:51 PM
And excuses #151 - 155 as well

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"I am not a believer in ghosts, but this one was haunted," said Eggebrecht. The setbacks started in May 2005, when the PS3 had its first big unveiling at Sony's E3 press conference. Eggebrecht says the Factor 5 team put together the game's first trailer and delivered it just in time to make it in the show, but the trailer was dark to begin with and the frames had an even darker black-level than Sony expected.

"They showed the material at the last minute to [former Sony Computer Entertainment President Ken] Kutaragi-san, who didn't see a thing and bounced us off the [PS3's demo] reel," he said. "That's why the first tech-trailer was shown at the PlayStation meeting a few months later. That was the start of one catastrophe after the other -- deaths in the family at the worst time [and] sudden surgeries for key members, which bounced the technology off-track. And just in general, every single time there was a crucial delivery, something bizarre went wrong -- all the way to power outages when writing the master disks."

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3162563
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: FatalT on September 06, 2007, 05:36:41 PM
LOL LAIR
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 06, 2007, 05:55:40 PM
The dude needs to give it up. The game sucks. I think we should come up with ideas as to what they were doing instead of working on the game.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 06, 2007, 06:03:27 PM
good thing there are never any unexpected issues at my game development company. smooth sailing, exactly according to plan, each and every time
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: The Sceneman on September 06, 2007, 06:38:27 PM
what games did you make Patel? You can trust us. WERE YOUR FRIENDS
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 06, 2007, 06:50:50 PM
bad jrpgs
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: demi on September 06, 2007, 06:52:12 PM
what games did you make Patel? You can trust us. WERE YOUR FRIENDS

Guild Wars
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: demi on September 06, 2007, 07:04:48 PM
Just kidding, he made Indigo Prophecy.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 06, 2007, 07:05:01 PM
what games did you make Patel? You can trust us. WERE YOUR FRIENDS

Guild Wars

that's a bad WRPG

if they show my JRPG rap sheet on TV they have to mosaic it
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: demi on September 06, 2007, 07:05:47 PM

Ragnarok Online 2 isn't that bad.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: TVC15 on September 06, 2007, 07:17:34 PM
abrader, you gotta give up defending this turd.  Even the company's big cheese knows the game is a piece of shit.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: tiesto on September 06, 2007, 07:20:10 PM
Xenosaga?
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: demi on September 06, 2007, 07:21:04 PM
Xenosaga?

Atelier Iris

There, I said it. Sorry, Patel.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Saint Cornelius on September 06, 2007, 07:25:55 PM
Rumor going 'round that Patel is working on a WRPG :shh
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: TVC15 on September 06, 2007, 07:29:34 PM
Patel was a lead on Two Worlds.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: hyp on September 06, 2007, 07:34:25 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

damn that's bad when there's no developer spin to it.  "we admit, our game is crap."
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 06, 2007, 07:38:21 PM
Xenosaga?

:*
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: huckleberry on September 06, 2007, 08:35:25 PM
Kinda feel sorry for the guy.

I would hate to have to go out in public and lie my ass off for my job.


....LAIR fucking really sucks though.  I can't believe I even thought this was going to be a good game
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Rman on September 06, 2007, 09:40:00 PM
Julian seems like a classy guy and it kinda sucks that his game is garnering such a terrible reception.  I have not played Lair so I can't make any judgment; those who have agree that its not a quality product.  It seems weird since their Star Wars games were critical successes.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: brawndolicious on September 07, 2007, 12:09:03 AM
yeah but most reviews say it's a great looking and sounding game (just like rogue squadron!) and that it has a good story but it's forced motion controls don't work well enough.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Ichirou on September 07, 2007, 12:12:48 AM
what games did you make Patel? You can trust us. WERE YOUR FRIENDS

Guild Wars

that's a bad WRPG

if they show my JRPG rap sheet on TV they have to mosaic it

Did you put the Fs in Final Fantasy?
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: TVC15 on September 07, 2007, 12:26:59 AM
yeah but most reviews say it's a great looking and sounding game (just like rogue squadron!) and that it has a good story but it's forced motion controls don't work well enough.

It's a great sounding game, but to even come close to selling Lair as looking good, you'd have to attach a ton of caveats to your statement.
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: brawndolicious on September 07, 2007, 12:43:53 AM
TECHNOLOGICALLY!
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: Smooth Groove on September 07, 2007, 01:25:40 AM
Julian on egm's podcast said that mainstream gamers fare much better with the motion controls than the hardcore gamers, which sounds like bullshit.  Hardcore gamers are hardcore for a reason.  A hardcore gamer would pretty much own a mainstream gamer at any game with any control scheme.  The hardcore gamer might not enjoy it but there's no way that he'll be worse at it. 
Title: Re: Excuse #150 on why Lair turned out shit: Ghosts did it
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 07, 2007, 11:09:19 AM
latest from PA on lair lol:
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Playing Lair is horrifying, like having a talking cyst erupt out of your genitals. Now that the rhetoric phase is over, we can discuss the relationship between Metroid: Corruption and Lair with the necessary gravity.
Both games are meant to be emblematic of their respective hardware, delivering something that isn't possible elsewhere. Corruption delivers on the best shooting this side of a mouse and keyboard, utilizing a combination of precision pointing and visceral, endlessly iterated motion controls - this is its entire purpose. Lair's task is similar, but it's serving two masters. Well, three masters: it's trying to be a graphical powerhouse, and showcase for motion controls, and do the bidding of Bal-Shurub, King of Liars. Feel free to excise the last one, but those first two taken together constitute a "rock" situated in close proximity to a "hard place."

No person familiar with the medium is going to mistake the new Metroid for a Next Generation Title, at least graphically. It has strong design chops, and it's executed well, but its first task is to deliver an immaculate framerate. Smooth performance and immersive motion controls have a relationship to one another. I said in a previous post that when these novel input methods fail, it's infuriating - but that's not really complete. It's breaking the simulation, so that the experience is less real, deprecated with each failure of interpretation. Running at sixty frames cements the world and your place in it, so that even when simply looking around the environment, these things are credible. Movement is controlled with the analog nubbin poking out of the nunchuck, and generously interpreted gestures augment and elevate traditional gameplay.

It's certainly a lot of fun to tease Lair, and it's a service for which there is a great appetite in the community. During our own play, game performance was not such that our input was dependable - And beyond those controls, there was almost no game to speak of. As I say above, I don't know that this is even their fault. But it's ridiculous the extent to which Retro has done more, with less.


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