THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Smooth Groove on October 08, 2007, 01:08:11 AM
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Came across this today. Pretty funny take on Apple's browser. I actually think that Safari is pretty good. Still, Macs suck.
Apple is hoping there are Windows users so in love with their iPods and iTunes that they will also download Safari. Then they'll fall in love with that, and the next thing you know they'll be down at the Apple Store fishing for their credit cards.
There's only one problem with that scenario -- Safari sucks. A lot of Mac users won't run the browser (I'm one of them), so why would anyone run it on Windows?
www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2007/06/cultofmac_0612
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Safari DOES suck :p
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Who in their right mind runs Safari on OS X?
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yeah. even if you're using a school computer they usually come with firefox.
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Even the Sun Machines have Fire Fox on them here.
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Safari is like, bottom of the barrel for browsers on mac yuk
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OH man, I remember taking Sun Microsystem System Administrative classes and using the netscape browser...oh god...oh god...worse than Safari.
It was fun trying to get Fire Fox or Opera installed on it (forget which version OS it was) but I remember going through loopholes just to getting Opera to install.
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Still, Macs suck.
No - you suck ;)
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I use Safari on my Mac and have no problems whatsoever. I still love my extensions in Firefox but that is the only thing missing from Safari. I don't get the hate.
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eh, safari's pretty awesome--it's certainly better than firefox. my only issue with it is that it sometimes crashes when using youtube, but that's all.
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Ive used Safari and it blows goats
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IE7 :bow
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IE7 takes all the good ideas from FireFox and adds some IE and WOW
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eh, safari's pretty awesome--it's certainly better than firefox. my only issue with it is that it sometimes crashes when using youtube, but that's all.
:lol
"Safari is pretty awesome. It's better than Firefox. It crashes sometimes, but..."
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firfox is a recource hog, safari isn't. and firfox crashes way more often than safari does, which, again, *only* happens *sometimes* when there's a youtube video running.
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I use Camino on Mac. I feel Safari is pretty slow, but solid. Camino is based on Firefox but optimized for Mac. It's very fast and ultra-reliable.
I use a PC at work and for that I run Firefox. Extensions, Extensions, Extensions.
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Safari.
LOLZ.
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IE7, the real choice
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ie7 is the king of kings and lord of lords . I swapped back to IE from Firefox and couldn't be happier.
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IE7 is great! FireFox sucks and makes web development a pain, fuck that shitfest
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IE7 is what Firefox tried to be.
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yeah, ie7 spanks the competition pretty soundly. mmm, decent tabbed browsing.
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Microsoft the good and the bad;
- Third and first party games on XBOX360 - EXCELLENT!
- Console hardware/OS - LOSE
- Desktop OS - LOSE
- MS Office - 'decent'
- MS DOS - 'hard to fukk that up'
- MS Windows - LOSE
- Internet Explorer - LOSE
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LOL
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what?
Vista = Lose? no way. gtfo!
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Not a fan of Vista with my experience with it, myself
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firfox is a recource hog, safari isn't. and firfox crashes way more often than safari does, which, again, *only* happens *sometimes* when there's a youtube video running.
FF can be pared down. Before disable page caching, my FF session creeped to 1.5GB in memory usage. Afterwards, it's around 350MB. Keep in mind that's with around forty tabs open. i don't know what others weigh in at, but it's irrelavent for me since they don't offer the extensions FF does.
what?
Vista = Lose? no way. gtfo!
ATM, yeah, Vista loses. In a couple of years, after it's had some time to mature and hardware advances pass XP by, i'm sure it'll be a more attractive choice.
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and thats just it really.
Who would want to buy the first run 350Z, or a new generation MS OS? XP is it for the next 3+ years.
And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS. Also the new gen mac OS is upon us.
Safari has some odd disk caching and ram bugs at times - but its low memory footprint rocks. The WEB isnt my theatre of life - I mostly use computers for work - something I can run with all of my work apps that thin reigns supreme in my OSX only world.
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Does IE7 have Adblocking? The adblock extension is the only part of FF I could never live without. Anytime I use a different computer than my own I'm reminded of how garish the internet is.
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firefox is a resource hog?
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Does IE7 have Adblocking? The adblock extension is the only part of FF I could never live without. Anytime I use a different computer than my own I'm reminded of how garish the internet is.
I only get annoyed by ads when perving out to porn.
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yeah, ie7 has adblocking, and it is enabled by default.
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Microsoft the good and the bad;
- Third and first party games on XBOX360 - EXCELLENT!
- Console hardware/OS - LOSE
- Desktop OS - LOSE
- MS Office - 'decent'
- MS DOS - 'hard to fukk that up'
- MS Windows - LOSE
- Internet Explorer - LOSE
inexperienced computer users commenting on shit they know very little about: LOSE
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I use the optimized builds of Firefox when I need to do web browsing on Mac, which isn't often. Camino is nice, but it's been lagging in features since the Firefox 2.0 release, which is really solid with the processor optimized builds, stable and with lots of neat extensions. I use IE7 most of the time. I'm a previous Firefox Windows user, too, but IE7 has no major problems. The only thing it's missing is extensions, of which I really only care about Greasemonkey.
I wish the IE folks would find a way to make Firefox extensions compatible with IE7 or something. Extensions are really the only big thing Firefox still has.
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and thats just it really.
And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS.
i would love to know how you are able to determine this, seeing as you seem to be largely clueless about how oses work
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I use the optimized builds of Firefox when I need to do web browsing on Mac, which isn't often. Camino is nice, but it's been lagging in features since the Firefox 2.0 release, which is really solid with the processor optimized builds, stable and with lots of neat extensions. I use IE7 most of the time. I'm a previous Firefox Windows user, too, but IE7 has no major problems. The only thing it's missing is extensions, of which I really only care about Greasemonkey.
I wish the IE folks would find a way to make Firefox extensions compatible with IE7 or something. Extensions are really the only big thing Firefox still has.
"extensions" are apparently the most requested feature for ie8, which will be beta real soon now ;)
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Well, the introduction of them will have associated growing pains, as the devs learn to seal up the memory leaks and issues Firefox faced, too. I am glad the feature is coming, but hopefully the roughness isn't too rough.
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I dunno I have some cutting edge shit in my PC rigs and play more pc games than the lot of you and I dont seem to be crippled by 'vista issues'. Im pretty sure these issues exist, but most people tend to parrot issues rather than speak from what they have honestly had issues with.
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bobobobobo slashdot said vista has 3x the memory footprint of osx how this impacts me in these days where 2gb is standard i don't know but bobobobobobo agenda
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I dunno I have some cutting edge shit in my PC rigs and play more pc games than the lot of you and I dont seem to be crippled by 'vista issues'.
(http://i23.tinypic.com/6ga3rr.jpg)
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ive used safari, and it sux
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Yeah, it does. I mean, it works decently enough that if I had to use it, I could, but the other options out there are really that much better. It is easily the worst major browser for OSX, and there are more browsers on OSX than there are in Windows. It lacks features, fails to render more pages correctly than anything else, and for an Apple product, it's even lacking in the style department.
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Apparently many pundits believe Apple developed Safari for Windows for search revenue money. Google give Apple search revenue to Apple for including it as the default search engine in the upper right hand search area.
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Yeah, it does. I mean, it works decently enough that if I had to use it, I could, but the other options out there are really that much better. It is easily the worst major browser for OSX, and there are more browsers on OSX than there are in Windows. It lacks features, fails to render more pages correctly than anything else, and for an Apple product, it's even lacking in the style department.
That's really surprising to hear. Many journalists were proclaiming the death of IE on Windows because they claimed that Safari is so much more refined. I thought Safari was a pretty attracive browser but I didn't find it particularly innovative. I prefer to use IE over Firefox ever since IE supported tabs because IE seems to work more easily with multimedia content. What're the extensions that you guys use with Firefox? My Firefox is pretty bare-bones.
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Last I seriously used Firefox (I don't web browse on my Mac), I used Greasemonkey with a couple of scripts, and a skin, and a few other ones. Nothing really major. If I really had extensions that made browsing that much better, I would be using Firefox on Windows. As it stands, it is a nice feature, and there are some useful extensions, but none that change the game so much that I'd make Firefox my browser of choice.
RE: Safari. Safari is just as proprietary in its handling of HTML as IE is, which is one of the big Anti-IE bullet points that Firefox people use. This is why Safari renders so many pages incorrectly--many more than IE does. I am sure Safari got some props because it supported tabs before IE did, back when they were still a hot cutting edge feature.
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Looks like a pile of non-native ass on Windows to boot:
(http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/safari-thumb.png)
It's like itunes on windows, except even more pointless/crappier.
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To be fair iTUNES > Zune Store
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To be fair iTUNES > Zune Store
Has there been any word on the Zune 2 software? Zune was a good first attempt at the market, but they need to roll that Zune software into WMP.
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I thought they just released the new Zune models, tho im not sure whats new about them. Id think if there was going to be a store upgrade it would be with new models. The current 'bin o greatest hits collections' is kinda lame and confusing.
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the zune software isn't bad from a design/interface perspective, although it rips iTunes wholesale. it's just outside of getting CREDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S GREATEST HITS VOL. 15 what the fuck do i do with it
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and thats just it really.
And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS.
i would love to know how you are able to determine this, seeing as you seem to be largely clueless about how oses work
No actually I know quite well.
Your constant trolling is boring. Go buy a poster or something.
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I like Intellisense and VS's integrated debugger, but other than that MS stuff is pretty lame. .NET is only about 40% better than Java, which means it's barely tolerable. At least they fund GHC development which is cool.
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I like the Zune software better than Itunes personally.
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Camino on OS X, Firefox despite all its flaws on anything else. Safari's pretty good on Mac, but even though I haven't used it on Windows, I can't imagine it's anything but a disaster. Webkit is fine, it's just Apple's distinguished mentally-challenged "UI and all" philosophy when it comes to putting OS X applications on Windows that sucks.
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and thats just it really.
And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS.
i would love to know how you are able to determine this, seeing as you seem to be largely clueless about how oses work
No actually I know quite well.
good, then you'll be able to share why osx is superior to xp in practical terms
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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lol
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I think abrader would get along with wobe.
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this thread brings the lolz
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(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/avatar.png)
i want to put my fist in his mouth
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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as a bsd and irix sysadmin and developer for over four years, i can fairly claim expertise when comparing oses. you, on the other hand, have no such experience: you're just parroting talking points from slashdot. get outta my os discussion, nub.
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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Technically, they're modified FreeBSD boxes. :sp0rsk1
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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Technically, they're modified FreeBSD boxes. :sp0rsk1
Intersting tidbit: Leopard is officially Unix, not just technically anymore. Current OSX lacks some terminal options, and not all of the internals are teh Unix.
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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Technically, they're modified FreeBSD boxes. :sp0rsk1
Intersting tidbit: Leopard is officially Unix, not just technically anymore. Current OSX lacks some terminal options, and not all of the internals are teh Unix.
i stand corrected. That's pretty cool news.
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I really hate Mac fanboys, whenever I need to take my PC in to get it repaired my brother has to take me because I can't fix this stuff and he's always like "LOL you're always having problems with your PC, if you got a Mac you'd never have issues":(
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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as a bsd and irix sysadmin and developer for over four years, i can fairly claim expertise when comparing oses. you, on the other hand, have no such experience: you're just parroting talking points from slashdot. get outta my os discussion, nub.
Ooooooo a sysadmin and a developer! I dont know why I thought I should even type anything in this thread among the likes of you! Also 4 years? Thats all you have under your belt? Shyt dood I was working on DSP signal processing code in C+ for 6 years before I even got into business development.
I was writing c code using vi on QNX boxes back when you were playing Comander Keen shareware on your 386. At this point in my life sysadmins and developers are about as valuable as entry level fry chefs. (geeks rule, but business dev and sales rules geeks)
No really not to be rude - I am in business development now - but your (my e-penis is threatened) attitude is just pretty damn shitty at times.
I dont need to tell you every detailed minute detail of why I prefer OS X to WinX - I generally respect and like your opinions but your constant trolling and silly 12 year old attitude of "ProfessorPoles preferences are the law" is self serving and very closed minded.
Regardless of what you say;
- There is a large contengency of people who prefer OS X to Win for many reasons (and we dont need to take 4-5 hours to explain the lifetime of PC usage experience that got us to the point)
- There is a large contengency of people who think PC gaming is shyt and only play consoles
Does this mean that your opinions are bad? No they are just opinions - but stop talking to people like everything you 'prefer' is law - because its not and your "4 years" (lol) experience as a "developer" doesnt make your opinion any more or less valid than the thoughts of me or any other user who may post on this forum or the worst GAFtard over at GAF.
You post like a short bitter middle aged old man.
Synbios - it is true - OS X is MUCH more stable and features far superior memory management. "Developers", "server geeks" and "rack monkeys" prefer Winblos and winblos server because it keeps them in jobs.
ANYONE who manages alot of boxes (500+ servers) will prefer a *NIX variant to Winblos Server any day of the week for these very reasons. Anyone who throws them self on the floor and declares their love for Winblos Server is either at a SMB with a CTO who makes poor lazy technology choices are at an non-efficient enterprise where he wants the constant Windows Server uptime and maintinance issues to keep him hooked up in the job security department.
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I know that Macs are more stable but it's just the fact that people act like if you get a Mac you'll never have issues that annoys me. Since I'm handicapped I can't play console games very well but I can normally play games that I couldn't play on consoles on my PC fine, which is why I'm such a PC lover.
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I know that Macs are more stable but it's just the fact that people act like if you get a Mac you'll never have issues that annoys me. Since I'm handicapped I can't play console games very well but I can normally play games that I couldn't play on consoles on my PC fine, which is why I'm such a PC lover.
Mac has its fair share of issues.
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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as a bsd and irix sysadmin and developer for over four years, i can fairly claim expertise when comparing oses. you, on the other hand, have no such experience: you're just parroting talking points from slashdot. get outta my os discussion, nub.
Ooooooo a sysadmin and a developer! I dont know why I thought I should even type anything in this thread among the likes of you! Also 4 years? Thats all you have under your belt? Shyt dood I was working on DSP signal processing code in C+ for 6 years before I even got into business development.
I was writing c code using vi on QNX boxes back when you were playing Comander Keen shareware on your 386. At this point in my life sysadmins and developers are about as valuable as entry level fry chefs. (geeks rule, but business dev and sales rules geeks)
No really not to be rude - I am in business development now - but your (my e-penis is threatened) attitude is just pretty damn shitty at times.
I dont need to tell you every detailed minute detail of why I prefer OS X to WinX - I generally respect and like your opinions but your constant trolling and silly 12 year old attitude of "ProfessorPoles preferences are the law" is self serving and very closed minded.
Regardless of what you say;
- There is a large contengency of people who prefer OS X to Win for many reasons (and we dont need to take 4-5 hours to explain the lifetime of PC usage experience that got us to the point)
- There is a large contengency of people who think PC gaming is shyt and only play consoles
Does this mean that your opinions are bad? No they are just opinions - but stop talking to people like everything you 'prefer' is law - because its not and your "4 years" (lol) experience as a "developer" doesnt make your opinion any more or less valid than the thoughts of me or any other user who may post on this forum or the worst GAFtard over at GAF.
You post like a short bitter middle aged old man.
Synbios - it is true - OS X is MUCH more stable and features far superior memory management. "Developers", "server geeks" and "rack monkeys" prefer Winblos and winblos server because it keeps them in jobs.
ANYONE who manages alot of boxes (500+ servers) will prefer a *NIX variant to Winblos Server any day of the week for these very reasons. Anyone who throws them self on the floor and declares their love for Winblos Server is either at a SMB with a CTO who makes poor lazy technology choices are at an non-efficient enterprise where he wants the constant Windows Server uptime and maintinance issues to keep him hooked up in the job security department.
Lol, just talk tech or get out.
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yeah this thread is so deep.
I am sure it will be published as a white paper on why Safari on Win is just a bad idea.
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Lair is a better web browser than Safari.
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Lair is a better web browser than Safari.
Safari on Win - likely.
LAIR does have the LAIR network.
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you're using a 286? don't make me laugh! Your windows boots up in what? a day and a half? you could back up your whole hard drive on a floppy diskette. You're the biggest joke on the internet. Your database is a disaster. You're waxing your modem trying to make it go faster.
Hey fella, I bet you're still living in your parents cellar downloading pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar. And posting "ME2" like some brain dead AOL'er. I should do the world a favor and cap you like Old Yeller. You're just about as useless as Jpeg's to Hellen Keller.
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you're using a 286? don't make me laugh! Your windows boots up in what? a day and a half? you could back up your whole hard drive on a floppy diskette. You're the biggest joke on the internet. Your database is a disaster. You're waxing your modem trying to make it go faster.
Hey fella, I bet you're still living in your parents cellar downloading pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar. And posting "ME2" like some brain dead AOL'er. I should do the world a favor and cap you like Old Yeller. You're just about as useless as Jpeg's to Hellen Keller.
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I was writing c code using vi on QNX boxes back when you were playing Comander Keen shareware on your 386. At this point in my life sysadmins and developers are about as valuable as entry level fry chefs. (geeks rule, but business dev and sales rules geeks)
man, I always thought sales/business analysis work required communication skills. thanks for disillusioning me.
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I was writing c code using vi on QNX boxes back when you were playing Comander Keen shareware on your 386. At this point in my life sysadmins and developers are about as valuable as entry level fry chefs. (geeks rule, but business dev and sales rules geeks)
man, I always thought sales/business analysis work required communication skills. thanks for disillusioning me.
Naw thats what assistants are for.
I cant be bothered to proof-read documents and shyt like that....its secretary work.
Hell I dont even like to type - I just like to tell people what to write.
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Abrader, why are you only living in a condo if you're so successful?
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I think that was the most coherent and correctly spelled post I've seen from abrader yet
Keep prodding him, something will come out
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Abrader, why are you only living in a condo if you're so successful?
WTF? your question doesnt even make sense - what bearing does one have on the other?
Why does a dishwasher at Denny's live in a cardboard box yet he drives an Acura?
(P.S. I see where you are trying to go with this - but it is fruitless for you)
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Naw thats what assistants are for.
So you don't code anymore, and you can't be arsed to write or think coherently either? Is your job to be a sort of Rorschach test generator through whose output the rest of the organization can better understand how they really feel about company strategy?
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All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....
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as a bsd and irix sysadmin and developer for over four years, i can fairly claim expertise when comparing oses. you, on the other hand, have no such experience: you're just parroting talking points from slashdot. get outta my os discussion, nub.
Ooooooo a sysadmin and a developer! I dont know why I thought I should even type anything in this thread among the likes of you! Also 4 years? Thats all you have under your belt? Shyt dood I was working on DSP signal processing code in C+ for 6 years before I even got into business development.
no, the 4 years was my salaried time in the hardcore UN*X trenches. I have another 8 in MS-specific development, and 15+ overall as a hobbyist developer and admin on both UN*X and MS platforms. lrn2read, qq more, etc.
(also dsp code? jesus fuck. i was doing that as a sophomore in college. didn't orcad make that wholly unnecessary, given what a tedious and mindless exercise it is?)
I was writing c code using vi on QNX boxes back when you were playing Comander Keen shareware on your 386. At this point in my life sysadmins and developers are about as valuable as entry level fry chefs. (geeks rule, but business dev and sales rules geeks)
dude, i *still* write C/C++ using WinVI. (okay; I moved on to Source Insight. What!) At least I'm still up-to-date and relevant. You consistently demonstrate very poor knowledge of the current computing space, and I will illustrate this as your whining progresses. Fuck, I'm a middle management schlub -- I have no compelling immediate reason to keep my skills up-to-date -- but I do because in the long-term it is what is best for my business acumen, my employees, and my customers.
No really not to be rude - I am in business development now - but your (my e-penis is threatened) attitude is just pretty damn shitty at times.
My e-penis isn't threatened. I simply don't like people who are consistently and persistently clueless. Shame on me for having standards. No, that's wrong -- shame on me for harrassing easy targets.
I dont need to tell you every detailed minute detail of why I prefer OS X to WinX - I generally respect and like your opinions but your constant trolling and silly 12 year old attitude of "ProfessorPoles preferences are the law" is self serving and very closed minded.
You could at LEAST give me some indicator that you know what you're talking about. I haven't seen anything opf the sort -- at best, you parrot the spin from Slashdot; at worst, you mumble a bunch of gibberish and I just scratch my head, wondering where the stack overflow occurred.
Regardless of what you say;
- There is a large contengency of people who prefer OS X to Win for many reasons (and we dont need to take 4-5 hours to explain the lifetime of PC usage experience that got us to the point)
Oh my, argumentum ad populi! Lots of people prefer Britney Spears to The Flecktones, too, and I'm sure they have "many reasons," none of which have to do with musical prowess.
- There is a large contengency of people who think PC gaming is shyt and only play consoles
Indeed, and they are frightened fuckwits who can't use computers, to a man/woman/androgyne. Most of them see no reason to have an arbitrary spelling of "shit," though. Is this a whiteboy hiphop thing? I get all my street cred via Saint Cornelius, and "shyt" is new on me, mate.
Does this mean that your opinions are bad? No they are just opinions - but stop talking to people like everything you 'prefer' is law - because its not and your "4 years" (lol) experience as a "developer" doesnt make your opinion any more or less valid than the thoughts of me or any other user who may post on this forum or the worst GAFtard over at GAF.
a) there are no laws on internet forums but what your insecurity dictates
b) i am quite a bit smarter and more educated than the average gaffer, and much better at articulating my ideas
the collusion of these two rules generally results in reactions like yours.
You post like a short bitter middle aged old man.
i am not short; i am only occasionally bitter in the fashion of most folks; and i am not sure how i would avoid being middle-aged
Synbios - it is true - OS X is MUCH more stable and features far superior memory management. "Developers", "server geeks" and "rack monkeys" prefer Winblos and winblos server because it keeps them in jobs.
...or it could be hardware has surpassed the need for micro-management of resources; and that cost of deployment, role specialization, migration strategies, and application development are actually important to REAL developers and administrators in the REAL software service and infrastructure management spaces, but what do I know? (Oh wait; it's my job.)
ANYONE who manages alot of boxes (500+ servers) will prefer a *NIX variant to Winblos Server any day of the week for these very reasons. Anyone who throws them self on the floor and declares their love for Winblos Server is either at a SMB with a CTO who makes poor lazy technology choices are at an non-efficient enterprise where he wants the constant Windows Server uptime and maintinance issues to keep him hooked up in the job security department.
I have managed "a lot" of boxes; I have developed enterprise clustering applications; and I work with many, many of these customers you so ignorantly mock. Windows Server deployments have uptimes comparable to ANY stable UN*X platform, and maintenance costs are an order of magnitude lower -- the numbers AND the steady march of Windows Server into shops everywhere demonstrates that. You really are NOT selling me on any industry experience. If someone fed me this excuse you just gave above in an interview, I'd wouldn't call security -- I'd call the comedy police. Even the most rabid UN*X admin fanboys I deal with recognize Windows Server as an extremely high-quality and dangerous competitor in the server market. Our own Frag -- a REAL UN*X developer -- will back me up on this.
That said, I'm not sure why I feel the urge to call out internet posers, but nothing you say adds up beyond a very surface level. If me pulling the credentials card bugs you so much, don't stick your hammy hand in the fire. What I say sure isn't law, but you don't hafta act like it is, either, senor.
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I was writing c code using vi on QNX boxes back when you were playing Comander Keen shareware on your 386. At this point in my life sysadmins and developers are about as valuable as entry level fry chefs. (geeks rule, but business dev and sales rules geeks)
man, I always thought sales/business analysis work required communication skills. thanks for disillusioning me.
Naw thats what assistants are for.
I cant be bothered to proof-read documents and shyt like that....its secretary work.
Hell I dont even like to type - I just like to tell people what to write.
do you share this information at job interviews, or is it just a perk that comes with hiring a lazy idiot
serious businessfolk need to know
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I know that Macs are more stable but it's just the fact that people act like if you get a Mac you'll never have issues that annoys me. Since I'm handicapped I can't play console games very well but I can normally play games that I couldn't play on consoles on my PC fine, which is why I'm such a PC lover.
macs are not "more stable". assuming we qualify "stable" as "uptime under regular usage scenarios," the OSX and Vista numbers are roughly the same at this point. the "macs are more stable" meme is conventional wisdom whose origin dates back to when Windows was, in fact, a pretty dire experience -- see: Win 3.1 and, to some extent, Win95. although in those days, MacOS was nothing to sound the fugue over, either
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Who says vista is stable? We use that shit at work and it sucks.
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Who says vista is stable? We use that shit at work and it sucks.
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user error most likely.
I've never had a problem with Vista.
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MS puts out some good stuff occasionally, but that's to be expected given all the great people they've lured in recent years. I can't help thinking that the appropriate question here is really "what would these same people have done with the same level of resources etc. somewhere other than Microsoft?" and that the answer isn't favorable to MS. e.g. LINQ would be impressive if I didn't know it was designed by Erik Meijer (whose papers have become a lot less interesting since he was hired by MS), etc.
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Who says vista is stable? We use that shit at work and it sucks.
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hey, i use mac osx at home, and it crashes more frequently than my vista box! WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO THINK
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When has your OSx crashed? I have had final cut crashed once and safari maybe half a dozen in the past year.
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I think what it comes down to is this. Windows works to CATER to the non-pc elite market, thats right. Grandma and Grandpaps are most likely going to use Windows. The risk you run with pushing towards a demographic not used to computers, or anything beyond the surface of computers, are complaints about how things work.
Then you have Unix OS and the Mac OS. Mac operating systems at least TRY to appeal to a larger demographic. Mac Operating Systems tend to garner fewer complaints because surprise! not as many people use a Mac operating system. Add to the fact that the development of features for that OS are over LONG periods of time and extremely focused. This is a good and bad thing. Good because you get some flawless shit, bad because you lose a lot of support.
Then you have Unix/Linux, wtf ever i've never used that crap because it is OBTUSE. Current users of Unix based operating systems dont WANT the available OSes to change to support mainstream users because it would take away all their precious l33t cred and oh shitz it will become teh bloated like teh other operating systems.
In short, who gives a fuck.
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Oh man I was a lean mean IRIX machine back in college. Those were the days-if you were doing science work, it was SGI or bust.
Even the most rabid UN*X admin fanboys I deal with recognize Windows Server as an extremely high-quality and dangerous competitor in the server market. Our own Frag -- a REAL UN*X developer -- will back me up on this.
Not just UN*X anymore-I spend as much time doing mainframe work as I do UN*X stuff nowadays. I will say this-Windows Server is key infrastructure for all of MY customers at every stage of application lifecycle-development, verification, production,etc. Lots of big business do rely on Windows Server products for critical day to day work, and I'm seeing it more and more every year (if anything, I see LESS UN*X-especially Solaris, HPUX, and to a lesser extent Linux).
And this is just Fortune 500-level companies that I work with. The penetration of Windows Server in the SMB segment is even greater, and for damn good reason-cost of ownership is tons lower for smaller-scale rollouts, and scales up really well as you need to grow to meet performance and capacity demands.
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crashed/hardlocked recently on (from recollection)
- an itunes/qt update from apple themselves
- a firefox install of a flash update
- dvd playback on stuart little and cars (has done this multiple times, the "kiosk" mac is used by my daughter)
- world of warcraft patching
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Oh man I was a lean mean IRIX machine back in college. Those were the days-if you were doing science work, it was SGI or bust.
Even the most rabid UN*X admin fanboys I deal with recognize Windows Server as an extremely high-quality and dangerous competitor in the server market. Our own Frag -- a REAL UN*X developer -- will back me up on this.
Not just UN*X anymore-I spend as much time doing mainframe work as I do UN*X stuff nowadays. I will say this-Windows Server is key infrastructure for all of MY customers at every stage of application lifecycle-development, verification, production,etc. Lots of big business do rely on Windows Server products for critical day to day work, and I'm seeing it more and more every year (if anything, I see LESS UN*X-especially Solaris, HPUX, and to a lesser extent Linux).
And this is just Fortune 500-level companies that I work with. The penetration of Windows Server in the SMB segment is even greater, and for damn good reason-cost of ownership is tons lower for smaller-scale rollouts, and scales up really well as you need to grow to meet performance and capacity demands.
(looks both ways, slides frag a bulging manila envelope)
the "rest" is parked outside your office, sir
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Hey Prole - I just skimmed thru that but it sounds like we clearly deal with software in different industries.
I work in telecom where Linux softswitch clusters, etc reign supreme.
Anyway I still think yer a dong sometimes - but I dont ever mind going wanger to wanger with you(if you wanna see a polaroid of this let me know)
Id prefer for us both to just be from different worlds but just be more respectiful of each others worlds....its all like i was an arcader and thats how i got into and got good at gaming....single credit plays thru shumps etc are my specialty.....you came on with PC gaming....thats fine too - but instead you go on these silly rants about how people that console game are newb gamers etc - you say because I prefer OS X it means im not an experienced user etc....instead of focusing on the discussion - you turn every single debate into this comparison of personal resumes and it all seems really overdone for a web forum. (I mean does it really matter what you or I do, we can like/dislike whatever the fukk makes us feel good)
The way I work now, OS X Apple productivity and MS Office apps serve me best as a non technical business user. Its my preference for sure - and while I havent been a power user of Windows since 2000 PRO, i just cant imagine ever going back to what Windows was like for me. I do notice that mostly all of the engineers I work with use DELL notebooks and prefer it so perhaps its better for code monkeys (no offence intended code monkey ;))
Professor Prole - it takes 2 baby, me and you. I gota heat up the oven if you ever hope to bake the cake.
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When has your OSx crashed? I have had final cut crashed once and safari maybe half a dozen in the past year.
He must not be repairing his permissions ;)
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Other crossovers I tried and hated....
MS IE for OS X - remember back when that existed?
Itunes for Windows - so bad BSOD all over the place.
Did they not learn from the IE for OS X attempt?
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Are you the reason our phone service was mistakenly disabled last year and we spent hours on hold trying to find someone who could fix it?
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^^ no. I am the reason the sperm met the egg.
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yer a broken hymen?
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yer a broken hymen?
Maybe I am >the< break in >his< hymen.
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It doesn't get much lamer than OS wars. Whatever works for you. Me, I'm waiting for the return of BeOS. 2009, believe.
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a cute girl I met last week just called me this afternoon wanting to hang out tonight, but I am for some reason stalling on calling her back while I read this forum
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a cute girl I met last week just called me this afternoon wanting to hang out tonight, but I am for some reason stalling on calling her back while I read this forum
WTF?
do tell? what is the connection?
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calling her back involves the phone system.
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calling her back involves the phone system.
"the phone system"
RARRRR!
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she didn't answer. I left a message. I hate leaving messages.
well, I guess I was too late and our date is off, ALL THANKS TO YOU