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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Rman on October 10, 2007, 04:11:04 PM

Title: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Rman on October 10, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
The Associated Press

CLEVELAND -- A gunman opened fire in a downtown high school on Wednesday, and five people were taken to a hospital, the mayor said.

Mayor Frank Jackson said three young people and two adults were hurt. SuccessTech Academy had been secured and there was only one suspect, he said.

"They have the shooter," Jackson said. He did not elaborate.

Ronnell Jackson, 15, said he saw the shooter running down a school hallway.

"He was about to shoot me but I got out just in time," he said.

Another student, Doneisha LeVert, said she heard the principal say "Code Blue" over the public address system, and the students started running. She said she hid in a closet with some of her friends.

Students stood outside the building, many in tears and on cell phones. Family members also stood outside, anxiously waiting for their children to be released.

"I'm scared. I'm hoping no more people got hurt," Jackson said.

Tammy Mundy, 38, who has a son and daughter at the school, told The Plain Dealer of Cleveland that her daughter called when the shooting started.

"She said, 'Mom they're shooting in here, kids are running out, I'm hiding in the closet,'" Mundy told the newspaper.

Then she called her 18-year-old son, Darnell Rodgers, on his cell phone, and he told her he had been shot in the arm.

"He said, 'Mom I got shot,'" Mundy told the newspaper.

The small, alternative high school is in the center of downtown across from the FBI's offices and three blocks from where the Cleveland Browns play football. The school enrolls 240 students grades nine through 12 and emphasizes technology education. All the students are poor under federal poverty guidelines.


Why is it so easy for these wackos to get guns?
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 04:28:58 PM
Was anyone just watching MSNBC? They were interviewing this kid who saw it. If no one puts this on Youtube...

"Dude got beat up on Monday and I was like nah, I ain't coming back to school cuz this...dude, well I was gonna say white boy - is gonna start shootin. And sure enough he came up shootin"

"So I'm in class and we hear shots, and I'm like whats that, but we be hearing stuff everyday. Then I hear BAM BAM BAM and I'm like ohh snaps, somebody shootin"

"So we run all the way out the buildin to that house, and we knocking on the window sayin let us in let us in. But the lady was looking at us like we was crazy so we were like forget you, so we ran to the mental distinguished mentally-challenged clinic"

VIDEO START AT 1:47 MARK
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cleveland.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 04:45:27 PM
That's exactly what the kid said. Once the video comes online I'll post it

Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Candyflip on October 10, 2007, 04:46:47 PM
Was anyone just watching MSNBC? They were interviewing this kid who saw it. If no one puts this on Youtube...

"Dude got beat up on Monday and I was like nah, I ain't coming back to school cuz this...dude, well I was gonna say white boy - is gonna start shootin. And sure enough he came up shootin"

"So I'm in class and we hear shots, and I'm like whats that, but we be hearing stuff everyday. Then I hear BAM BAM BAM and I'm like ohh snaps, somebody shootin"

"So we run all the way out the buildin to that house, and we knocking on the window sayin let us in let us in. But the lady was looking at us like we was crazy so we were like forget you, so we ran to the mental distinguished mentally-challenged clinic"
:lol I would pay money to see this. That last portion is the best.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 10, 2007, 04:50:08 PM
Well, it is Cleveland, so that makes sense.  What a horrible horrible city.

Having said that, I'm going up there on Friday for the Rock Band tour. :hump
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 04:51:31 PM
Wanna fix this problem?

1. Start taking the parents to court and make them financially liable

2. Metal detectors in schools. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of school shooting happen in these suburb areas and are committed by white students. Many inner city schools have metal detectors at the front doors and police on hand. If Detroit public schools can manage this anyone can. But sadly these up tight parents are more concerned about image than their children's safety. I was raised in Ann Arbor, where parents don't want speed signs placed in house complexes because it looks "ghetto". Having metal detectors doesn't mean the kids are possible criminals, it makes sure possible criminals don't commit gun crimes on campus/school grounds.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2007, 04:56:58 PM
I think another root cause is the tragedy of the commons --- nobody really owns the hallways.  If the students were allowed to feel the pride and sense of true self-worth that comes only with the responsibility of ownership, they'd have an incentive to protect their space.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 05:04:45 PM
What?
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Mupepe on October 10, 2007, 05:08:02 PM
I think another root cause is the tragedy of the commons --- nobody really owns the hallways.  If the students were allowed to feel the pride and sense of true-self worth that comes only with the responsibility of ownership, they'd have an incentive to protect their space.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2007, 05:09:45 PM
There was a pilot program in Alaska.  It was really starting to work wonders, despite some serious inadequacies in implementation (due to political interference).  Never got time to achieve its full potential though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 05:41:53 PM
How is did this become a gun debate. People who say that we should ban guns are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Then only criminals would own them
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 05:43:16 PM
Wanna fix this problem?

1. Start taking the parents to court and make them financially liable

2. Metal detectors in schools. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of school shooting happen in these suburb areas and are committed by white students. Many inner city schools have metal detectors at the front doors and police on hand. If Detroit public schools can manage this anyone can. But sadly these up tight parents are more concerned about image than their children's safety. I was raised in Ann Arbor, where parents don't want speed signs placed in house complexes because it looks "ghetto". Having metal detectors doesn't mean the kids are possible criminals, it makes sure possible criminals don't commit gun crimes on campus/school grounds.


This is dumb PD. If anything suburban "white people" will be the first to give up their rights for the notion of safety.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 07:08:59 PM
VIDEO START AT 1:47 MARK
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cleveland.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
We were like "Man forget you"
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 07:21:00 PM
Wanna fix this problem?

1. Start taking the parents to court and make them financially liable

2. Metal detectors in schools. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of school shooting happen in these suburb areas and are committed by white students. Many inner city schools have metal detectors at the front doors and police on hand. If Detroit public schools can manage this anyone can. But sadly these up tight parents are more concerned about image than their children's safety. I was raised in Ann Arbor, where parents don't want speed signs placed in house complexes because it looks "ghetto". Having metal detectors doesn't mean the kids are possible criminals, it makes sure possible criminals don't commit gun crimes on campus/school grounds.


This is dumb PD. If anything suburban "white people" will be the first to give up their rights for the notion of safety.

Well why aren't they? Why won't they put metal detectors in schools? It's not a tax issue so don't use that

And why are you suggesting whites would be the first to give up rights for safety? wtf
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Bloodwake on October 10, 2007, 07:23:40 PM
VIDEO START AT 1:47 MARK
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cleveland.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo


 :lol

Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: demi on October 10, 2007, 07:24:58 PM
:rofl:

I hope they interview the lady who denied them

I wouldnt let crazy black kids in my house either, she deserves a medal
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 07:30:36 PM
Well why aren't they? Why won't they put metal detectors in schools? It's not a tax issue so don't use that
Because schools dont need metal detectors especially the average suburb school. You act like there is a school shooting in the suburb every day and the nation must do something to stop it. 

And why are you suggesting whites would be the first to give up rights for safety? wtf
Aren't they the stereotypical voters for the Bush administration?
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Shuri on October 10, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Wanna fix this problem?

1. Start taking the parents to court and make them financially liable

2. Metal detectors in schools. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of school shooting happen in these suburb areas and are committed by white students. Many inner city schools have metal detectors at the front doors and police on hand. If Detroit public schools can manage this anyone can. But sadly these up tight parents are more concerned about image than their children's safety. I was raised in Ann Arbor, where parents don't want speed signs placed in house complexes because it looks "ghetto". Having metal detectors doesn't mean the kids are possible criminals, it makes sure possible criminals don't commit gun crimes on campus/school grounds.

What the fuck will metal detectors change? The kids will just come in and shoot up people outside and then use the ensueing chaos to go inside the school and killl more people. Or they will just go and shoot the guards.

This is a distinguished mentally-challenged idea.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 08:33:48 PM
Metal detectors would ensure people don't bring guns to school. Ever been to an inner city school, say in Detroit or Chicago?
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 08:36:56 PM
Why not ad metel detectors to malls, and restaurants. Better yet lets just all have our bodies searched every time we leave out houses.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 08:38:50 PM
Especially Muslims right?

Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 08:49:54 PM
Especially Muslims right?



Nice try PD. Still trying to beat a dead horse.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 08:53:19 PM
Let me show you how ass backwards you are and the double standard you are.


Here is a direct quote that you wrote above. 

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2. Metal detectors in schools. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of school shooting happen in these suburb areas and are committed by white students.

Now pretend I wrote this same thought but let me substitute a few things, see if you can see a difference and commence calling me racist.

2. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of terrorist acts are committed by muslims.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2007, 08:58:18 PM
You'd be wrong though. Most terrorist attacks are committed by whites in the Central Intelligence Agency





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Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 10, 2007, 09:00:03 PM
The CIA does commit some shady shit though.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Shuri on October 10, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
Metal detectors would ensure people don't bring guns to school. Ever been to an inner city school, say in Detroit or Chicago?
Have you ever seen how school shooting happens? Guys show up, with guns in their car trunk, and start shooting as soon as they enter. Hell the last shootout  in Montreal happened with the guy shooting people outside, then going inside. Those guys are on a deathwish, they dont give a fuck about being detected. They have that stuff planned out in their head for WEEKS/months. I guess the metal detected will make a nice beep sound if it doesnt get drowned by the gun fires.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: brawndolicious on October 10, 2007, 11:28:55 PM
you can get pass metal detectors.  at least with knives, berkeley schools have them and there's a lot of knife fights.  I heard that what they do is that they wear the knife up their sleeve (around the shoulder) to hide it and they cover it in aluminum foil in some way that tricks the metal detector.

what's more important are guards patting down EVERYBODY cause it's pretty hard to hide a gun (unless you have like a tiny "school" gun) since it's harder to hide a gun than it is a knife.

How is did this become a gun debate. People who say that we should ban guns are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Then only criminals would own them
you could do rational things like not let them be stored in city grounds (so if you want to go hunting, you can pick it up from storage) but the personal safety argument is bullshit.  countries without guns are safer.

Let me show you how ass backwards you are and the double standard you are.
Here is a direct quote that you wrote above. 
Quote
2. Metal detectors in schools. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of school shooting happen in these suburb areas and are committed by white students.
Now pretend I wrote this same thought but let me substitute a few things, see if you can see a difference and commence calling me racist.
2. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of terrorist acts are committed by muslims.
holy fuck, ban this distinguished mentally-challenged fuck.  people that CAN get guns into a school are more likely too shoot people, you can't compare that to religion.
Title: Re: Another school shooting. This time in Cleveland.
Post by: Candyflip on October 11, 2007, 12:14:47 AM
Metal detectors would ensure people don't bring guns to school. Ever been to an inner city school, say in Detroit or Chicago?
Have you ever seen how school shooting happens? Guys show up, with guns in their car trunk, and start shooting as soon as they enter. Hell the last shootout  in Montreal happened with the guy shooting people outside, then going inside. Those guys are on a deathwish, they dont give a fuck about being detected. They have that stuff planned out in their head for WEEKS/months. I guess the metal detected will make a nice beep sound if it doesnt get drowned by the gun fires.

.

A fucking metal detector is not going to stop some nut from going Rambo on their school. If they want people dead, they'll die.