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Title: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 08:07:53 PM
A few hours ago my friend called me. She was upset because she found out to get her car "fixed" it would cost $250. In reality I was able to determine she just needed her oil changed, but the repair dudes told her she'd need all this other crap done too. They also said a simple oil change would end up costing more than $100.

This isn't the first time I've seen this happen. I went to her house, borrowed her car, and drove it up to the repair shop in order to get an estimate. How much is it this time? Well they didn't pull the "you need extra work done" trick on me, and instead wanted $60. I said thanks and drove off.

I changed her oil in less than half an hour, and even did her mom's car while I was there. Has anyone else seen this blatant scam happen to chicks at repair shops?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 08:12:55 PM
My mom paid 300 dollars to have an "Expanded Radiator Compartment" installed  ::)

I wanted to kick her in the shins when she came home.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Beezy on October 17, 2007, 08:26:57 PM
Did she thank you with her body?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 08:28:15 PM
Did she thank you with her body?

We're going out on Friday  :-*

Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: brawndolicious on October 17, 2007, 09:54:55 PM
My cousin has a friend at her work that has a learning disability and after her mother died, she got into a lot of debt from things like contractors doing "extra" stuff and debtors giving her "cheap" advice and now all her friends have to buy her her food.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 09:58:42 PM
Did she thank you with her body?

We're going out on Friday  :-*



Is this vampgirl?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:04:39 PM
My cousin has a friend at her work that has a learning disability and after her mother died, she got into a lot of debt from things like contractors doing "extra" stuff and debtors giving her "cheap" advice and now all her friends have to buy her her food.

That kind of stuff pisses me off. She doesn't have any family members who can help take care of her?

Quote from: Ichioru
Is this vampgirl?

Yea
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:10:00 PM
Tell her since you changed her oil, now she has to change yours.

She'll know what you mean. ;)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:11:16 PM
Bleh, PD wants to be "just friends" with her.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
He told me they made out, though.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:16:26 PM
PD can't bring a white bread bitch back to momma
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:17:05 PM
She's half-black.  Like Halle Berry.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:17:49 PM
She's half-black.  Like Halle Berry.
she's an oreo race traitor.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 17, 2007, 10:18:29 PM
She's half-black.  Like Halle Berry.
she's an oreo race traitor.

Wouldn't that describe PD as well?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:18:54 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:19:58 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:22:01 PM
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8720/695946145lvl1.jpg)
(on the right)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:26:56 PM
nice face.  how's the chest and backside?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:27:09 PM
He told me they made out, though.
Ditto. He says she wants to be more than friends and kisses him and stuff but he doesn't want to do it.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:27:58 PM
He told me they made out, though.
Ditto. He says she wants to be more than friends and kisses him and stuff but he doesn't want to do it.
cuz he doesn't want no bitch holdin his game(tf2) back
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:28:31 PM
He told me they made out, though.
Ditto. He says she wants to be more than friends and kisses him and stuff but he doesn't want to do it.

Hmmm...sounds suspiciously like the behavior of a closeted homosexual to me, wouldn't you agree, Dr. Cheebs? :tophat
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:31:16 PM
 :lol

This is why I haven't posted many pics. We're friends right now, and it might move to something else. I'm definitely not rushing stuff. I'd hate to have anything ruin our friendship
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:33:23 PM
:lol

This is why I haven't posted many pics. We're friends right now, and it might move to something else. I'm definitely not rushing stuff. I'd hate to have anything ruin our friendship

Once you get into the friends zone, it's nigh impossible to get out.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:37:09 PM
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8154/813813013ldo3.jpg)

That's her cousin. Dude might be playing at Michigan in a couple years but I still was able to beat his ass in a game. Well, he won when we played in the gym but I won when we played outside
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:37:55 PM
omg at that guy.  :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:38:52 PM
Dude he's a big time baller. Of course he's not a pretty boy  :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:40:23 PM
damn dude, she's fucking hot. 

PD, you better fucking hit it.  be friends with benefits at least.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
actually it's cool that you're able to hold back because you don't want to fuck it up.  since it will be your first REAL relationship, it's 99% certain that it will fuck up.
[close]
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:40:45 PM
he is barely taller than her though.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 17, 2007, 10:41:26 PM
Yea, she's pretty hot.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:42:03 PM
he is barely taller than her though.

Her dad is like 6'7. He's the only old guy I know who's taller than my dad
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:43:52 PM
she has incredible nipples.  i know it.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:45:28 PM
I'm picturing them now.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 17, 2007, 10:47:04 PM
Damnnn PD!

I plow that ass w/ authority. My dick would explode like a Chicago typewriter!

She'd be calling me daddy within in a minute of slobbing my hog. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 10:47:50 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:48:41 PM
C'mon, lordmaji - respect the girl, please.  Nothing more graphic than nippletalk.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:49:37 PM
Damnnn PD!

I plow that ass w/ authority. My dick would explode like a Chicago typewriter!

She'd be calling me daddy within in a minute of slobbing my hog. :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol

coldblooded.

PD, seriously though, i love you. 
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 17, 2007, 10:52:00 PM
:-\

I didn't read any of the thread & you know I'm playing PD. :)

She's is pretty though. You need to stick up for her next time. Punk! :)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 10:52:12 PM
She definately looks nice. :spin
fucking perv.  act your age
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:54:41 PM
I've talked to her on AIM before. I linked her to evilbore.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:55:21 PM
PD needs to get her to sign up under the username Vampgirl.  She's a cutie.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:56:03 PM
She asked who I was and I said a friend of his and she was shocked that he had any friends.  :lol :-\
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:56:47 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:57:02 PM
100%
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 17, 2007, 10:57:59 PM
I've talked to her on AIM before. I linked her to evilbore.

... ... ... I WAS J/K!!

It's ok though, I'm inet dork that lives in his moms basement and hasn't had ass since the last time my finger broke through the toilet paper. :(

 :'(
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 10:58:12 PM
"I'm a buddy of Maurice's."
"He has FRIENDS?"

OMG

I'm trying not to laugh at work

I'm picturing her face of disbelief

omg lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 10:59:01 PM
that is basically how it went she said iirc "What? MAURICE HAS A FRIEND?"
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 11:00:05 PM
cheebs, gimme her aim name.  pm me
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 11:00:20 PM
that is basically how it went she said iirc "What? MAURICE HAS A FRIEND?"

She was joking. We basically have the same friends  :lol

Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 11:00:41 PM
Mmhmm...
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 11:01:12 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh holy shit

that's hilarious

I'm just picturing her recoiling in shock

A bemused look on her face

Half-thinking you're b.s.'ing her
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 11:01:26 PM
 :lol

Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 11:01:49 PM
cheebs, gimme her aim name.  pm me

Ditto.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2007, 11:02:13 PM
Mmhmm...
cheebs, gimme her aim name.  pm me
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 11:02:27 PM
I don't have it. It was PD's account he left it up and she got on and asked who I was.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 17, 2007, 11:03:36 PM
I don't have it. It was PD's account he left it up and she got on and asked who I was.

awww you and PD are lovers?  :D
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 11:04:05 PM
PD, give us her AIM.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: brawndolicious on October 17, 2007, 11:04:37 PM
okay, that proves pd and cheebs are the same people.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
He says she has a facebook. There has to be a way to find it.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 11:06:40 PM
His friends call him Maury.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Maury_povich_With_fan.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 11:07:43 PM
omg I never knew PeeDee's IRL name was Maurice until now. :-\
Maurice Cooks
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 17, 2007, 11:07:55 PM
I did. PD and I grew up together.

We used to tease him when we were kids, we used to call him "MEE MEE". He'd get soo pissed. :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2007, 11:11:29 PM
I've called her vamp girl for a reason duders: so you guys can't find her. She's lurked here before though, but only briefly  :shh

I'm gonna bring her to Maj's house next week. The party is still on for then right Maj?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 17, 2007, 11:12:49 PM
I did. PD and I grew up together.

We used to tease him when we were kids, we used to call him "MEE MEE". He'd get soo pissed. :lol

Someone rename PD Mee Mee!
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 17, 2007, 11:13:42 PM
This "I grew up with PeeDee and know him IRL" act is lame. >:(

...I know you IRL too... ... ... I like what you are wearing atm...  :P

Yeah PD, bring her over... You know how I roll.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Gay Boy on October 17, 2007, 11:15:08 PM
Yeah PD, bring her over... You know how I roll.
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/lordmaji/charlesmanson.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Beezy on October 17, 2007, 11:37:43 PM
She's cute as hell.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: brawndolicious on October 18, 2007, 12:38:27 AM
ruzzie, it's pronounced moh-reese.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: xnikki118x on October 18, 2007, 02:07:09 AM
I'm in a gender studies class right now, and from what I've learned, stuff like this happens a lot. The same thing will go on if you go to buy a car--a woman will get quoted a higher price initially, and they'll cut the price less than they do for a man.

We watched a video that was a 20/20 segment or something similar where they sent a man and a woman, of similar age/qualifications/socioeconomic status into different situations and taped the outcomes. The woman got quoted a higher price for a car and an apartment. When applying for a job they gave the woman the better qualifications, but she was offered a secreterial position while the man with shitty qualifications was offered a supervisor's position, etc. Some companies are more reluctant to hire mothers or newlyweds because of concerns about child care and stuff. It sucks, but it's a reality.

[Just so no one gets the wrong idea, we also talk about how men are discriminated against in certain situations as well.]
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 18, 2007, 11:51:35 AM
man, fuck all that noise.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 18, 2007, 12:07:59 PM
I'm in a gender studies class right now, and from what I've learned, stuff like this happens a lot. The same thing will go on if you go to buy a car--a woman will get quoted a higher price initially, and they'll cut the price less than they do for a man.

We watched a video that was a 20/20 segment or something similar where they sent a man and a woman, of similar age/qualifications/socioeconomic status into different situations and taped the outcomes. The woman got quoted a higher price for a car and an apartment. When applying for a job they gave the woman the better qualifications, but she was offered a secreterial position while the man with shitty qualifications was offered a supervisor's position, etc. Some companies are more reluctant to hire mothers or newlyweds because of concerns about child care and stuff. It sucks, but it's a reality.

[Just so no one gets the wrong idea, we also talk about how men are discriminated against in certain situations as well.]
Wait...

Nikki... you and your kind discriminate against me? :(  I thought you were an angel.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
man, fuck all that noise.

(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8812/mrpinkdoesnottipbu6.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: lordmaji on October 18, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
ruzzie, it's pronounced moh-reese.

I know how to pronounce Maurice you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Yeah, you fucking wii-tard. It's pronounced MEE MEE! :lol

I <3 you guys. :)
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: DJ_Tet on October 18, 2007, 01:05:08 PM
Was it a Jiffy Lube?  They got taken to court here in NC for practices like this, although I don't think there was any sexism at work.  They pretty much tried to screw every customer, telling them they need new fluids, new air filters and such.  Seems like they were charging for services not rendered, as well. 
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: xnikki118x on October 18, 2007, 08:55:34 PM
Was it a Jiffy Lube?  They got taken to court here in NC for practices like this, although I don't think there was any sexism at work.  They pretty much tried to screw every customer, telling them they need new fluids, new air filters and such.  Seems like they were charging for services not rendered, as well. 

I have a friend who went to school for automotive stuff and he said Jiffy Lube is like the joke of the industry. So I don't go there, haha.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2007, 09:55:59 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*

Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Synbios459 on October 18, 2007, 09:58:04 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2007, 09:59:42 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 18, 2007, 10:00:44 PM
It's because she's half-white, Father Mike.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2007, 10:05:14 PM
It's because she's half-white, Father Mike.

Ha, that explains things I thought my taste was slipping for a second, but is Gabriel Union half white? 
Because I would make her my sex slave any day!

(http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_bv/gabriel-union-idris-elba-300a012507.jpg)

 :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 18, 2007, 10:13:39 PM
she has nice teeth
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 10:14:21 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 

You and Synbios have a lot in common.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Synbios459 on October 18, 2007, 10:21:45 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
That's what I said, but I still got chastised.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 18, 2007, 10:22:54 PM
I actually feel the same way.

I don't like Asians either though, so don't throw me together with Synbios, please.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 10:23:43 PM
I actually feel the same way.

I don't like Asians either though, so don't throw me together with Synbios, please.

Do you like flippers?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Synbios459 on October 18, 2007, 10:24:36 PM
I actually feel the same way.

I don't like Asians either though, so don't throw me together with Synbios, please.
Well that's a nice compromise.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2007, 10:24:48 PM
so don't throw me together with Synbios, please.

Your scared you'll catch what ever Synbios has got by physical contact too? 
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
That's what I said, but I still got chastised.

The difference is, you go around making lists of what races you prefer, talk trash about black people, and say that all blacks in America should be sterilized.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 18, 2007, 10:28:39 PM
Synbios should be posting at OA instead.  He's perfect for OA since he's a bona fide joke character, stalker and racist. 
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 10:34:34 PM
Someone should introduce him to omg_lemurs. :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Mupepe on October 18, 2007, 10:43:50 PM
Someone should introduce him to omg_lemurs. :lol
don't taint her
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 10:45:08 PM
Someone should introduce him to omg_lemurs. :lol
don't taint her

I thought you already showed her your taint. ???
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2007, 10:45:21 PM
oh geez

synbios+ruzbeh+LEMURS=me leaving EB  :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Synbios459 on October 18, 2007, 11:00:20 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
That's what I said, but I still got chastised.

The difference is, you go around making lists of what races you prefer, talk trash about black people, and say that all blacks in America should be sterilized.
My opinions have changed.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Ichirou on October 18, 2007, 11:01:17 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
That's what I said, but I still got chastised.

The difference is, you go around making lists of what races you prefer, talk trash about black people, and say that all blacks in America should be sterilized.
My opinions have changed.

Oh, really? How would you rank the races now that you've changed?
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2007, 11:11:23 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Beezy on October 18, 2007, 11:29:13 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
That's what I said, but I still got chastised.

The difference is, you go around making lists of what races you prefer, talk trash about black people, and say that all blacks in America should be sterilized.
My opinions have changed.
Go burn in flipper hell.
Title: Re: Damn sexism at the repair shop
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2007, 11:31:07 PM
wow, she is one of the few black girls that I actually find really attractive.   :-*


RACIST!!!!!! BURN HIM TO THE STAKE NOW!!!!!

Its a personal taste not racism. 
That's what I said, but I still got chastised.


The difference is, you go around making lists of what races you prefer, talk trash about black people, and say that all blacks in America should be sterilized.
My opinions have changed.
Go burn in flipper hell.

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9079/redlobsterlogopt3.gif)
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