PORTLAND, Maine - Pupils at a city middle school will be able to get birth control pills and patches at their student health center after the local school board approved the proposal Wednesday evening.
The plan, offered by city health officials, makes King Middle School the first middle school in Maine to make a full range of contraception available to students in grades 6 through 8, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.
There are no national figures on how many middle schools, where most students range in age from 11 to 13, provide such services.
The most distinguished mentally-challenged thing is that there isn't even sex education at that age. Yet, they give birth control pills.
If you do that, educate them about sex before they reach that age you conservative-minded fools!
Mupepe: We don't know that their sex ed program isn't already good. Here in the librul enclaves, we have pretty good programs. I went through it in 5th, 8th, and 10th grades, I think, and it was pretty clear on contraceptive options and all that mess.Maybe I've been living in Texas too long :lol
There have been some recent efforts by a pocket of prudes to ax some of the content (like any mention of homosexuality), but I don't think it's getting anywhere.
Sex Ed is overrated as a whole. Many generations survived w/o the need for it. Not that I have any problem with it as long as they have the parents consent to attend. They did not have it when I was going through school and I learned the old fashioned way.my mom ordered victorias secret and i'd beat off into each week's new issue.
The lingerie section of the JC Penny's catalog.
I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
in fact, they'd probably start taking it in the butt just to spite them.I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
Not necessarily. A child developmental environment is not 100% at home.I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
Not necessarily. A child developmental environment is not 100% at home.I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
I don't think your point makes sense, really. If you bring the parents into this, the kids that would be asking for birth control pills wouldn't fucking ask for it because they'd know the nurse would be calling their parents, yet I doubt they would stop wanting to fuck. Bringing parental consent into this kind of negates the effectiveness of potential birth control.
So, which do you prefer? http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodpri/V259633_037.jpg, http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/tmblg/V247360RR_P08.jpg, http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/tmblg/V236103_092.jpg, or http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/tmblg/V252698_D88.jpgSex Ed is overrated as a whole. Many generations survived w/o the need for it. Not that I have any problem with it as long as they have the parents consent to attend. They did not have it when I was going through school and I learned the old fashioned way.my mom ordered victorias secret and i'd beat off into each week's new issue.
The lingerie section of the JC Penny's catalog.
That sounds like more homeschool FUD to me.Not necessarily. A child developmental environment is not 100% at home.I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
True, but it is a parents duty to raise their child, teach them certain things, etc. So when they step out into the "world" in 6th grade or whenever they have something to draw on.
I really think you're on a totally different perspective because of how you were raised and schooled, buddy. It's not bashing or being condescending, but there is a huge control loss at that point when a child begins to hit their pre-teens and begins to rely more on outside influences.I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
I don't think your point makes sense, really. If you bring the parents into this, the kids that would be asking for birth control pills wouldn't fucking ask for it because they'd know the nurse would be calling their parents, yet I doubt they would stop wanting to fuck. Bringing parental consent into this kind of negates the effectiveness of potential birth control.
Not giving parents any influence in an issue this personal makes no sense to me. I'm sorry but I think a parent should know if their 12 year old child is using birth control
I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
I don't think your point makes sense, really. If you bring the parents into this, the kids that would be asking for birth control pills wouldn't fucking ask for it because they'd know the nurse would be calling their parents, yet I doubt they would stop wanting to fuck. Bringing parental consent into this kind of negates the effectiveness of potential birth control.
Not giving parents any influence in an issue this personal makes no sense to me. I'm sorry but I think a parent should know if their 12 year old child is using birth control
That sounds like more homeschool FUD to me.Not necessarily. A child developmental environment is not 100% at home.I think parental consent is important - so is sex ed. If people see the consequences of unprotected sex maybe they'll think differently. Seeing the STD slideshow is no joke
If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place, the odds that they'd stop at their parents' behest... aren't high.
That's not my point. I'm saying parents should have influence in this - even more than the school for obvious reasons. If a middle-schooler is having sex in the first place that's a reflection on the family
True, but it is a parents duty to raise their child, teach them certain things, etc. So when they step out into the "world" in 6th grade or whenever they have something to draw on.
Eh, I agree that the parents should AT LEAST be notified.
I don't think it requires parental permission, but at least notification.
Again, in an ideal world, I'd agree with that, but as it stands, I think fair argument can be given that parental notification shouldn't be a requirement, unless there is a potential medical issue.Oh I think a fair argument can be made against it as well.
I NEVER SAID YOU SAID IT SO WATCH YOUR MOUTHEh, I agree that the parents should AT LEAST be notified.
I don't think it requires parental permission, but at least notification.
I never said parental permission should be required. My problem was with the idea that parents should have no influence in such a personal issue
The most distinguished mentally-challenged thing is that there isn't even sex education at that age. Yet, they give birth control pills.
If you do that, educate them about sex before they reach that age you conservative-minded fools!
Parents have had plenty of time to influence the issue by 6th grade, PD.My dad was very strict regarding seeing a nude female.
Parents have had plenty of time to influence the issue by 6th grade, PD.
Parents have had plenty of time to influence the issue by 6th grade, PD.
They definitely do/should/etc, but that doesn't stop at 6th grade. Clearly I'm at an almost directly opposite position on this ideologically, but I see the point you guys are making.
PD: When you said the school should be obligated to contact the parents so as to raise the parents' influence. Jeez.
It's not the job of the government to force them to be "better" parents.
At King Middle School, birth control prescriptions will be given after a student undergoes a physical exam by a physician or nurse practitioner, said Lisa Belanger, who oversees Portland’s student health centers.
Students treated at the centers must first get written parental permission, but under state law such treatment is confidential, and students decide for themselves whether to tell their parents about the services they receive.
So they need parental permission to get checked out at the student health center, the parents just aren't told the specifics by the school. Don't you think most parents would probably ask their kids why they want to get checked out at the student health center in the first place?
They need parental permission before they can go to the center. Reading IS fun, isn't it?
What other reasons could a 12 year old girl have for wanting to go to a clinic that's not the family's chosen doctor? If a parent doesn't know what's up, they are dumb, and the school should probably be buying fucking liquor for the little girl in celebration of her being more intelligent than her distinguished mentally-challenged parents.
Really, you think an elective consent form wouldn't make it known that it was an elective decision?
Really, you think an elective consent form wouldn't make it known that it was an elective decision?
Do you think every parent is going to read everything on the form? Some might even choose to trust their children's explanation on why they have to go. I prefer to eliminate any kids trying to get one over on their parents and eliminate the stupidity (in this case passing out birth control in school).
nothing. im getting a hard on from this thread though. let's talk about sex more often on this board.
I think this is a good option for kids, and I think it would be a good option if they didn't need parental consent at all. Lots and lots of people have asshole, terrible parents that they can't talk to about this stuff. In those cases, what's better: risking getting knocked up or being able to get birth control? Better birth control on the sly now than to have to talk to your religious asshole parents about being pregnant, or trying to get an abortion on the sly.
Yeah, the problem is human nature, which is why it's best to have options. Multiple options.
Damn, one of the few people making sense in this thread is never going to breed, while the rest of the hysterical fuckwits are probably going to have litters of shitty little brats.
Yeah, the problem is human nature, which is why it's best to have options. Multiple options.
To me human nature would lead to realizing the risk/reward of the situation.
To me, human nature is pretty much geared towards procreation.
Well not procreation but sex. And besides, if kids have access to birth control, where's the risk?
People have been getting knocked up on accident since the beginning of time, seems like the reward (dunking your donut in some hot, wet action) is way more than the risk (having a baby out of wedlock)
Oddly enough, the parental consent thing is blown out of proportion:pretty much solves my issue with the program. ThanksQuoteAt King Middle School, birth control prescriptions will be given after a student undergoes a physical exam by a physician or nurse practitioner, said Lisa Belanger, who oversees Portland’s student health centers.
Students treated at the centers must first get written parental permission, but under state law such treatment is confidential, and students decide for themselves whether to tell their parents about the services they receive.
So they need parental permission to get checked out at the student health center, the parents just aren't told the specifics by the school. Don't you think most parents would probably ask their kids why they want to get checked out at the student health center in the first place?
This is a complete nonissue.
I don't see a problem with this. if a girl knows what birth control is and she wants to fuck the guy that just grew pubes, give her birth control.if there's grass on the field, then play ball.
Birth control can be helpful to girls with abnormal cycles.which is why they stopped segregation...
As for birth control as birth control for 6th graders, well thats taking a social/mental problem and treating it medically. We have a tendency to treat our social problems through non-social ways. We made racism illegal instead of addressing the thought pattern behind it. We give kids birth control instead of wondering why they are throwing away their childhood.
if there's grass on the field, then play ball.as long as they're both the same age. you can't stop it from happening so you may as well offer prevention from pregnancy.
I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about my own rule.if there's grass on the field, then play ball.as long as they're both the same age. you can't stop it from happening so you may as well offer prevention from pregnancy.
It's a problem that needs to be addressed.
However, I don't think this alone is a good way to address it.
This accompanied with REAL sex education could have some effect. If anything, giving out contraceptives, without beefing up and re-evaluating our sex education programs, more or less promotes teenage sex.
Answer:
1. Create a sex education program not held back by the fears of the socially ignorant.
2. Offer contraceptives as a tool for students who choose to engage in sexual activity after they have received proper education.
Even worse is that they do not have to get any consent from their parents.
Good job Blue State, just tear down society, family values and any sign of morality... Typical liberal minded fix to a problem. Government will take care of the problem by throwing money at it. Parents do not need to know what is going on.
I'd agree with any argument for real sex education, but I think that's a landmine in and of itself. Coming up with a program that is detailed enough, you probably risk angering the same people that get upset at the very idea of programs like the one presented here. You'll also get the blatantly religious people saying what should and shouldn't be taught.Pretty much. a good 70 percent of parents are going to be offended by something in any really informative sex education class.
Again, ideally, good sex education would be fantastic, but there are practical reasons that it hasn't come about.
My sex ed started in 5th grade and it was just learning what sex was. It would start out with diagrams and information on the sexual organs of your own gender(girls and boys were broken up for the classes) and then the long awaited day were you got to see diagrams of the other gender's sex organs.8th grade was the first time I'd ever seen a female vagina diagram.
I went to Catholic school in grade school. Sex didn't exist. It probably wouldn't exist if I had stayed in their high school, either.at least not the way i give it to you ;)
:oput on some Steely Dan and take off that poncho. we're going to tijuana baby.
in grade 5, they showed videos of diagrams and stuff and the different areas you get hair and whatnot. when they got to the part about dick size and the "older brother" asks the "younger brother" if he's nervous about getting undressed in front of him because he has a small penis we all. fucking. ROFFLED. after that, they made us watch the "females" video and we laughed at that when they came back in. and then we had like 3 weeks of watching AIDS videos.
in grade 6, it was learning the details about sex and some things about what happens during pregnancy and childbirth. it was the best sex ed class I think since the teachers didn't act like idiots.
in grade 7, we learned a little about birth control and STD's.
in grade 8, we had the first co-ed sex ed class and they showed us huge pictures of herpes and gonorrhea and we had to take notes on it.
in grade 9, it was the last year and it was also co-ed. they gave us a condom and told us to open it and "play around with it". it was pretty awesome because the teacher messed up and bought lubricated ones so we tried playing tug-o-war with it. the end of the year, we all finished finals early and the teacher thought it'd be a good idea to pop in a sex ed video we didn't watch and a girl was bored of finding out what sperm sounded like so she fast forwarded to the end and we saw a birth. it was blue.
A few older women in my anatomy class said that the average age for sex now is 12................i miss you
god i hope i never have a daughter... even if it's not true!
My father told me a story about how some woman tricked a friend of his into giving her a child and promising that he wouldnt have to pay for it. Then you know the rest....lol I think they told me that story.
That scared me away from slutty women.
works doesnt it, hahaMy father told me a story about how some woman tricked a friend of his into giving her a child and promising that he wouldnt have to pay for it. Then you know the rest....lol I think they told me that story.
That scared me away from slutty women.
yeah well you don't miss catz, I saw you sneaking out before I got back, tell the truth!A few older women in my anatomy class said that the average age for sex now is 12................i miss you
god i hope i never have a daughter... even if it's not true!
works doesnt it, hahayeah, lol.
lolololyeah well you don't miss catz, I saw you sneaking out before I got back, tell the truth!A few older women in my anatomy class said that the average age for sex now is 12................i miss you
god i hope i never have a daughter... even if it's not true!
in grade 5, they showed videos of diagrams and stuff and the different areas you get hair and whatnot. when they got to the part about dick size and the "older brother" asks the "younger brother" if he's nervous about getting undressed in front of him because he has a small penis we all. fucking. ROFFLED.
A few older women in my anatomy class said that the average age for sex now is 12................
god i hope i never have a daughter... even if it's not true!
Really, it should be common sense that it's just about impossible to get accurate numbers on things like the average age for the first sexual encounter.
I'm going to tell my kids whats up with all this. There's nothing to be ashamed of, or worried. It's human nature. They need to know about birth control, because its so freaking vital. how many girls we know had their lives set off the path with random unwanted pregnancies. It's weird reading how sex-ed is handled in the states, here we were taught how it happened and what were the consequences and whats not pretty early onBlame that on crazy religious people (which have a strong influence here, unfortunately), my dad is one of those "put prayer back in school" people.
The infos will be given out; the more they know, the better. If my daughter wants to get on the pill, I'll be cool with that, and holy hell i'll buy condoms by the pallet at costco if I have to. I don't want them getting random condoms from friends and whats not.
The tools and infos will all be there for them when the time comes. My parents were so fucking wacky about all that shit and that relationships stuff when I was a teenager, I don't want my kids to go thru all the bs I had to live through because my parents were so fucking inept at being parents.
A few older women in my anatomy class said that the average age for sex now is 12................
god i hope i never have a daughter... even if it's not true!
The average age kids first have sex?
It's not. Women are stupid. Never listen to them unless you are sleeping with them. And then... only fake it.
It's around 16 in the US.
I'm going to tell my kids whats up with all this. There's nothing to be ashamed of, or worried. It's human nature. They need to know about birth control, because its so freaking vital. how many girls we know had their lives set off the path with random unwanted pregnancies. It's weird reading how sex-ed is handled in the states, here we were taught how it happened and what were the consequences and whats not pretty early on
The infos will be given out; the more they know, the better. If my daughter wants to get on the pill, I'll be cool with that, and holy hell i'll buy condoms by the pallet at costco if I have to. I don't want them getting random condoms from friends and whats not.
The tools and infos will all be there for them when the time comes. My parents were so fucking wacky about all that shit and that relationships stuff when I was a teenager, I don't want my kids to go thru all the bs I had to live through because my parents were so fucking inept at being parents.
Going backdoor is the best way to prevent pregnancy.
my mom used to talk to my date and i about how i shouldn't take my dick out of my pants if i couldn't take responsibility for what came out. it was so embarassing sometimes.
I was more like "please get the fuck out of my room mom." well that's what i was thinking. but i love her and respect her so i was just like "dammit i know. please just stop" most girls actually found it funny and liked my mom.my mom used to talk to my date and i about how i shouldn't take my dick out of my pants if i couldn't take responsibility for what came out. it was so embarassing sometimes.
That is where you respond "thats what her face is for".
Apparently, Mupepes mom is MILF material......I was more like "please get the fuck out of my room mom." well that's what i was thinking. but i love her and respect her so i was just like "dammit i know. please just stop" most girls actually found it funny and liked my mom.my mom used to talk to my date and i about how i shouldn't take my dick out of my pants if i couldn't take responsibility for what came out. it was so embarassing sometimes.
That is where you respond "thats what her face is for".