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Title: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: TVC15 on October 27, 2007, 11:57:08 PM
. . .Square wasn't for total anime faghags that couldn't bite the bullet and admit that their bishie hormonal teen crap and admit that their "deeper" shit really wasn't in actuality any better than, say, your average Dragonball Z episode.  Dubbed in english.  Unfortunately, this golden age of Square occurred in like the mid-80s and it lasted for the duration of the mid-season break of the Miami Vice season that had that episode where Tubbs infiltrated a prison because his girlfriend got shot and killed.

Anyway, I'd imagine that it was during this brief period that Front Mission was conceived, because it is fucking awesome like balls in your mouth.  Square didn't get to making the games until they were totally back in another pretty princess animu phase, but hey, there's enough hardcore Tubbs action in the series to keep me going.

I've been playing the DS game, the remake of the first one.  I can't say how accurate it is of a remake, or even how much has been remade, but I'll be damned if it isn't a great little game, and an SRPG that may just steal some time away from the impending Disgaea release.  Not everyone will agree with me on that front.  FM as an SRPG is fairly simple, and while it has series trademarks like constant awesome dismemberment and an Animu Trademark WAR plot (hey, this and Ace Combat in the same week.  I had better slow down before I start talking like these people.  I had better stay away from Dynasty Warriors Gundam this week).  The fancier bits of the experience system, like the star things and the random skills and I think some robot parts aren't in this iteration, but hey, it's a DS game and it would probably freeze if it had to juggle more than about 12 numbers at once. 

Before anyone brings it up, this gets a pass, and the not-as-dated FFT remake doesn't because Front Mission does not have a UI from deepest darkest Africa/Hell.  Believe it or not, the basically all stylus (you can use buttons to cancel out of shit, or for menus, if you really want) interface works like buttsex here; roughly approximating how the game would play on the superior PC platform.  I like to shit on gimmicky controls a lot here, especiailly when they are used for something that is bog standard on another platform (like mouse emulation), but if doing so will give me sexy mech action, count me in.

Also, the game has probably the worst Amano art I have ever seen.  Actually, it may just be the fact that they put his art straight in a game, rather than de-gaying it like they did in FF games.  Maybe it isn't worse than his usual stuff.

Let's see, in conclusion, the Front Mission series is like Square's underdog, at least amongst us dirty westerners.  No idea how it is liked in Japan, though I believe each game has 2 campaigns, so you are guaranteed a solid dose of just Amerikkka hating in each game.  We didn't even get the most recent Front Mission game here in the US, which is a shame because I totally, totally dig Front Mission 3 and 4, and I blame Kingdom Hearts fegs for fucking up my racket.

Brief word on gameplay, these are generally less arcane and more playable than most SRPGs, although I'd say that they tend to have slightly tougher scenarios.  Simple rules and all that.  Lots of action.  The most complicated part is probably customizing and building your mech, and even that isn't that difficult.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Vizzys on October 28, 2007, 12:00:49 AM
its a wonderful world, ds game of the year

nomura :bow

square :bow











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Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 28, 2007, 12:06:50 AM
I keep saying I'm going to get a DS at some point but I never do. This is another game that I want to play.

Speaking of Front Mission, I remember renting the second most recent one but not getting too far. I love the series though.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: tiesto on October 28, 2007, 11:37:16 AM
This is on my Christmas list...
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 28, 2007, 12:58:49 PM
FM's liberal use of the check mark icon makes me second guess a lot of menu choices. I generally use d-pad face buttons out of battle and stylus in battle.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: TVC15 on October 28, 2007, 02:22:27 PM
FM's liberal use of the check mark icon makes me second guess a lot of menu choices. I generally use d-pad face buttons out of battle and stylus in battle.

This is how I roll, too.

I'd try to grab this one up quick.  Something tells me Square doesn't plan on shipping out that many copies. 

Does Square have a big handheld release this holiday season?  In years past, they have usually released 1 or 2 handheld games of high demand that do huge humbers, like the FF4-6 remakes or that one Mana remake.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2007, 03:50:25 PM
is the ff4 remake due this season? that looks like hot lowdown sex betwixt two distinguished black gentlemen.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 03:57:36 PM
In Japan maybe.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2007, 04:06:40 PM
is the ff4 remake due this season? that looks like hot lowdown sex betwixt two distinguished black gentlemen.

Professor, don't you think square-enix super deformed graphics (characters) are ugly?

i am not impressed by FF3/4 graphics so far, i will take Ninja Gaiden DS pre rendered graphics over it any day.

Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 28, 2007, 04:23:02 PM
yeah it's hitting 12/23 in Japan so I doubt it'll hit the US

I've been playing a lot more Crisis Core, I do enjoy that game :x
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 28, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
I've been playing a lot more Crisis Core, I do enjoy that game :x

Nomura :bow

Kingdom Hearts :bow
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: TVC15 on October 28, 2007, 04:43:46 PM
I wish Crisis Core would hit here this year.  Why do Square localizations tend to take so fucking long?  It's not like they are especially good.  I'm positive Sony would help them wrap that up with like 2 months turnaround doing just as decent a job.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 28, 2007, 04:54:55 PM
The funny thing about CC is it's like almost exactly the same sort of narrative and gameplay structure as FFX-2. The tone of the narrative is extremely different, but the way the narrative fits into a pre-existing universe, together with the mission-based structure, plus the fact that Nojima wrote it, makes the similarities extremely obvious.

But since it's FF7 fanservice instead of scantily glad girls j-popping around it's getting much better reception. ;)
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2007, 06:09:50 PM
I've been playing a lot more Crisis Core, I do enjoy that game :x

Nomura :bow

Kingdom Hearts :bow

Belts, zippers and wings.

Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2007, 06:22:55 PM
is the ff4 remake due this season? that looks like hot lowdown sex betwixt two distinguished black gentlemen.

omg yes

But they need to get a workin on the FFV remake for DS :bow
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 07:13:39 PM
The funny thing about CC is it's like almost exactly the same sort of narrative and gameplay structure as FFX-2. The tone of the narrative is extremely different, but the way the narrative fits into a pre-existing universe, together with the mission-based structure, plus the fact that Nojima wrote it, makes the similarities extremely obvious.

But since it's FF7 fanservice instead of scantily glad girls j-popping around it's getting much better reception. ;)

Oh my God, Patel. Do you know what you've just done? I must own Crisis Core because of it being compared to FFX-2, alone!
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 28, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
Front Mission DS tanked hard in Japan, we should all consider ourselves lucky that the series is allowed to live again in America.
I miss the Square that made Bushido Blade, Einhander, and non-faboulous RPG's so very badly. 

What happened to you Square, you used to be cool?
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 28, 2007, 10:13:41 PM
Square didn't make Bushido Blade, the people who did went on to make the Kengo series and Kabuki Warriors. 

The Einhander team made Parasite Eve 2, then got absorbed into the FFXI project where they've been toiling for the last few centuries.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
Hmm, guess I should pick up Front Mission DS then.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Mondain on October 28, 2007, 10:57:02 PM
the d-pad works better for this game, it's too easy to input the wrong command in this game, especially if you're in a bus and the road is shaky
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2007, 11:25:38 PM
picked up front mission ds. maf and tvc were right; this is penis-poundingly awesome.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 28, 2007, 11:37:52 PM
I keep hearing it but It sounds like FFXI has been feeding off the better parts of SE like a fucken parasite
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 11:43:02 PM
Kill Final Fantasy XI.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Synbios459 on October 28, 2007, 11:50:43 PM
FFIX>*
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2007, 12:01:47 AM
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The funny thing about CC is it's like almost exactly the same sort of narrative and gameplay structure as FFX-2. The tone of the narrative is extremely different, but the way the narrative fits into a pre-existing universe, together with the mission-based structure, plus the fact that Nojima wrote it, makes the similarities extremely obvious.

It's also the same battle designer as FFX2 (Takatsugu Nakazawa)
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: bork on October 29, 2007, 12:06:39 AM
Every time I attempt to play a Square game, I just can't.  They're always so fucking boring and bogged down with 9343403403403 menus and turn-based crap.  Front Mission has always seemed kinda cool though, but I don't go for strategy games.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2007, 12:28:03 AM
how the hell can someone not go for strategy games.  that's like saying "I don't go for eating and breathing and sleeping"
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 29, 2007, 12:34:21 AM
how the hell can someone not go for strategy games.  that's like saying "I don't go for eating and breathing and sleeping"

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: tiesto on October 29, 2007, 08:50:05 AM
Has anybody here played Front Mission Alternative? The RTS Front Mission game where all the mechs are named after slang terms for cocks?
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: bork on October 29, 2007, 08:50:22 AM
how the hell can someone not go for strategy games.  that's like saying "I don't go for eating and breathing and sleeping"

I find them boring.  I've certainly tried to play them, but on the whole, strategy and turn-based RPGs are just not for me.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 09:22:11 AM
lyte is kinda right.

sometimes when you play action games like NG, DMC or even Gears, going back to turn based rpgs is hard.


Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: bork on October 29, 2007, 09:50:38 AM
lyte is kinda right.

sometimes when you play action games like NG, DMC or even Gears, going back to turn based rpgs is hard.




I've never been able to get into RPGs, going all the way back to the mid 80s with games like Bard's Tale and the like.  They're just not my thing.  Every once in a while there are exceptions though...I like some of the Bioware games for example.  I've always wanted to try Fallout, too.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 09:58:51 AM
You might like Mass Effect, since it's RPG + action shooter.



 
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2007, 10:19:47 AM
lyte is kinda right.

sometimes when you play action games like NG, DMC or even Gears, going back to turn based rpgs is hard.




Never. Because I've never played an action rpg that's nearly as deep as any turn based rpg, especially strategy ones.

DMC and stuff are total action games. Expecting that from an rpg is silly. Games like Kingdom Hearts have totally mundane and overly simplistic gameplay from BOTH sides of the genre (rpg and action).
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 10:26:44 AM
What i meant is that when you play these games, you get more freedom you know? you can run, walk and attack as you wish, no need to wait for turns.

and i am not expecting this from RPGs (i like my RPGs turn based you know), it's just a feeling i get when playing RPGs and action games at about the same time.



Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2007, 10:46:34 AM
Meh. I don't think I've ever felt like that. I just recently beat Silent Hill 3, Zone of the Enders 2, and was playing Dragon Quest V at the same time.

When Bioshock came out, I preferred playing Persona 3.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Prost on October 29, 2007, 10:51:35 AM
square owned

rad racer was the shit
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: bork on October 29, 2007, 11:52:22 AM
You might like Mass Effect, since it's RPG + action shooter.

I'm all over it. 


Never. Because I've never played an action rpg that's nearly as deep as any turn based rpg, especially strategy ones.

DMC and stuff are total action games. Expecting that from an rpg is silly. Games like Kingdom Hearts have totally mundane and overly simplistic gameplay from BOTH sides of the genre (rpg and action).

And I've never played an RPG with the challenge of Landstalker or Alundra.  But that doesn't matter.  It's the amount of freedom in other games that I like, or the fast-paced, pick up and play arcade games that are my favorites.  The horribly cliched animu or LOTR stuff in like 99% of RPGs doesn't appeal to me, either, and it's the stuff that differs, like KOTOR, Phantasy Star IV, PSO, and Bushidoretsuden that I've enjoyed.  And fuck "depth."  I just want good game play, challenge, and fun.  For "depth," nothing beats well-made competitive games like fighters and shooters anyway.

What i meant is that when you play these games, you get more freedom you know? you can run, walk and attack as you wish, no need to wait for turns.

and i am not expecting this from RPGs (i like my RPGs turn based you know), it's just a feeling i get when playing RPGs and action games at about the same time.

Exactly.  RPG game play bores the shit out of me, ESPECIALLY grinding, and the stories aren't compelling enough to keep me going most of the time.  It's fine if you like them, though.  It's fine to have differing opinions.  Look how civil we are here; if this same thread was going elsewhere, there would be trolls and flamewars everywhere, and if this was GAF, we'd all be banned.   ::)

square owned

rad racer was the shit

It was an Outrun rip-off.  Square also made 3-D World Runner, a Space Harrier rip-off.  And then Final Fantasy was supposed to be their last game...if it bombed, they were going to go under.  Funny how Square and Sega ended up turning out, isn't it?   :)
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2007, 02:06:47 PM
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Exactly.  RPG game play bores the shit out of me, ESPECIALLY grinding

most RPGs made in the last 20 years don't require grinding though (MMOs excepted)
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 29, 2007, 02:33:24 PM
Kingdom Hearts is the greatest game ever. Can't wait to keep on buying them, supporting such a majestic and grand series.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 02:36:22 PM
shut up demi.

Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 29, 2007, 02:38:18 PM
The PSP game should be fuck awesome. I finished KH2 on Proud Mode, defeated Sephiroth too. It's so addicting.

I'd put it above Advent Rising, but I don't think anything can ever top that.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2007, 02:38:51 PM
hey McDragon, why don't you make like a Nomura character design and zip it

KH PSP is from the CC team so you know it's gonna rule
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 29, 2007, 02:39:58 PM
why don't you take that nomura character design and zip it

KH PSP is from the CC team so you know it's gonna rule

CC plays like Kingdom Hearts, it's so addicting and fun to play. Nomura is what Square needed. These silly little "mech" games are oldhat and rubbish, we do not need any more.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 02:40:36 PM
I beat KH1 and 2 on normal and hard (proud) mode, beat all extra bosses, etc.

fun as hell though i still believe that kh1 is better than 2.

Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 29, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
Don't be gay
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 02:43:31 PM
I can't help it.

Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2007, 02:59:46 PM
why don't you take that nomura character design and zip it

KH PSP is from the CC team so you know it's gonna rule

CC plays like Kingdom Hearts, it's so addicting and fun to play. Nomura is what Square needed. These silly little "mech" games are oldhat and rubbish, we do not need any more.

 :lol

And yes, KH1 > KH2
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2007, 05:11:23 PM
KH PSP isn't made by CC team, it's made by the team behind the two Musashi games and the PS2 Chain of Memories remake.  The CC team consisted mostly of KH and FFX staff members who've now been absorbed into the FF13 and FF13 Versus projects; the director who worked on cell phone games before has gone back to working on cell phone games (he's in charge of the Parasite Eve and KH mobile spinoffs).
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 29, 2007, 05:21:49 PM
Nobody wants to hear about your car fucking fetish you call "mechs" either, gaymo, I bet you want to slide your penor in an exhaust pipe after playing this, don't you

beep beep
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2007, 05:44:38 PM
Nobody wants to hear about your car fucking fetish you call "mechs" either, gaymo, I bet you want to slide your penor in an exhaust pipe after playing this, don't you

beep beep

does this mean bumpy trot is granny porn
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: TVC15 on October 29, 2007, 05:48:51 PM
Kingdom Hearts reminds me of Folklore.  Shitty and mediocre, but I could play through them if they had achievements.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2007, 05:50:32 PM
demi am cry.

Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: demi on October 29, 2007, 05:57:49 PM
TVC hasn't finished a game since ever, he is of no concern
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: TVC15 on October 29, 2007, 06:05:09 PM
TVC hasn't finished a game since ever, he is of no concern

I've finished a couple games lately, and due to having to penny pinch for the next month or more, I will probably be finishing up a few more.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: zeergoth on October 29, 2007, 06:08:40 PM
TVC hasn't finished a game since ever, he is of no concern

I've finished a couple games lately, and due to having to penny pinch for the next month or more, I will probably be finishing up a few more.
:lol you actually learn to appreciate the games you have when you're poor.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: disgruntled_jojo on October 30, 2007, 06:12:14 PM
Has anybody here played Front Mission Alternative? The RTS Front Mission game where all the mechs are named after slang terms for cocks?
HELLS yes.  We got heavy into FMA.  Looks great on a PC EMU with a decent graphics plugin too, being full 3d.  Sadly the draw-in distance is quite small.
Title: Re: The Good Ol' Days of Square: Once upon a time. . .
Post by: bluemax on November 06, 2007, 01:18:13 PM
I finally got this from Gamefly.

It feels so old when I look at it play it. Especially after playing so much Disgaea PSP lately.