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Title: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:48:28 AM: After seeing it twice now I'd say as of today mine is Gone Baby Gone. Though there is TONS of great movies quickly on the way that have a chance at that title (There Will Be Blood, Juno, & Charlie Wilson's War in particular).
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Solo on October 28, 2007, 10:23:40 AM: So far its a toss up between Zodiac and Death Proof. And I feel like Im missing something else. Anyways, Im sure I havent seen the best movie of the year yet, as There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men still remain, and I havent gotten to see Jesse James yet because of its distinguished mentally-challenged limited release (looks like I wont until DVD).

Any which way I slice it though, its been a sub-par year.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 11:03:03 AM: Quote from: Solo on October 28, 2007, 10:23:40 AM
So far its a toss up between Zodiac and Death Proof. And I feel like Im missing something else. Anyways, Im sure I havent seen the best movie of the year yet, as There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men still remain, and I havent gotten to see Jesse James yet because of its distinguished mentally-challenged limited release (looks like I wont until DVD).

Any which way I slice it though, its been a sub-par year.
You really need to see Gone Baby Gone solo. And I don't think 2007 is disspointing. Summer was but fall has been solid so far.

I've really liked so far this fall: Shoot 'Em Up, The Darjeeling Limited, King of California, Assassination of Jesse James (the real great western of 2007, not 3:10 to Yuma) & Gone Baby Gone. And I expect great things out of Lions for Lambs, Charlie Wilson's War, Juno, There Will Be Blood, & No Country For Old Men.

Juno alone could make 2007 a great year for me. I am really really really excited for that flick.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Solo on October 28, 2007, 11:23:45 AM: Im not expecting (or wanting) a western out of Jesse James. Its looks more like something Terence Malick would have made, which is what I am hoping for. Plus another badass Nick Cave score.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 11:48:27 AM: Quote from: Solo on October 28, 2007, 11:23:45 AM
Im not expecting (or wanting) a western out of Jesse James. Its looks more like something Terence Malick would have made, which is what I am hoping for. Plus another badass Nick Cave score.
Well it is barely a western, I just wanted to say its a better film by far than 3:10 To Yuma. And yeah its very Malick like. Also it stars the girl in my avatar :). I am still shocked you have yet to see Gone Baby Gone sir.

Not ready to make a top 10 yet but the ten best films I have seen so far this year (in no order) would be:

Gone Baby Gone
Death Proof
The Darjeeling Limited
Knocked Up
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
Hot Fuzz
Stardust
The Bourne Ultimatum
Ratatouille
King of California
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 28, 2007, 12:30:32 PM: TRANSFORMERS!!!!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2007, 12:56:50 PM: Quote from: Willco on October 28, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
TRANSFORMERS!!!!

You should be shot, or at the very least sterilized.

This is a pretty hard question, because so far nothing has been really great but there have been a handful of very solid movies. I'm gonna go with Hot Fuzz, although I could probably say Bourne Ultimatum too.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 28, 2007, 01:12:31 PM: More like The Boring Ultimatum. Transformers gets better with every viewing and is easily the best film of the year... nothing will ever come close!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: TVC15 on October 28, 2007, 01:17:46 PM: I am usually like 6 months behind since I watch most movies at home. I like the long cut of Death Proof a heck of a lot, though. If not that, I think Zodiac was the only other dinger I saw this year.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 28, 2007, 01:24:59 PM: Once is still my favorite movie of the year.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 01:36:14 PM: Everyone seriously needs to see Gone Baby Gone. Who would have thought BEN AFFLECK would be someone many people think will get a best director nomination? :lol

[youtube=425,350]j_F_SH07nsE[/youtube]

This fall's fall-drama stuff to me seems A LOOOOOT better than last years.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 01:58:22 PM: DEATH PROOF

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8195/scg091907175430ht6.jpg)
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 02:00:37 PM: Is it just me or do none of you guys go to the fall movies? :-\
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 02:01:14 PM: NOPE. Waiting for dvd!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 02:22:40 PM: movies are a social experience! all of you are a bunch of introverts! :-*
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 28, 2007, 02:32:22 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 02:00:37 PM
Is it just me or do none of you guys go to the fall movies? :-\

I do. We've just been incredibly busy. The only fall movies we've seen so far are Darjeeling Limited and Lust, Caution.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 02:43:05 PM: knocked up?
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: demi on October 28, 2007, 02:48:27 PM: Hot Fuzz
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 28, 2007, 02:51:31 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 02:00:37 PM
Is it just me or do none of you guys go to the fall movies? :-\

I went to go see Blade Runner: The Final Cut.

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Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 03:12:07 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 02:22:40 PM
movies are a social experience! all of you are a bunch of introverts! :-*

I'm a POOR introvert
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2007, 04:06:45 PM: Quote from: Happy Rhymenocerous on October 28, 2007, 02:43:05 PM
knocked up?

Superbad is better in just about every conceivable way.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: bud on October 28, 2007, 04:12:25 PM: 40 y/o virgin >>>>>>> knocked up, which was disappointing.

i still have to see superbad.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2007, 04:13:02 PM: superbad was schizo and gimpy. knocked up pooped into its mouf. you smoke pole!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2007, 04:15:09 PM: The Prestige.

it's not a 2007 movie but i saw it this year, so...yeah.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: bud on October 28, 2007, 04:16:15 PM: i've been meaning to watch the prestige for the past two weeks, but i never get around to watching it. it's still unwrapped. :-\
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 28, 2007, 04:17:52 PM: I need to watch the copy of The Fountain that I received. I also need to see Superbad.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2007, 04:22:29 PM: Watch it bud, it's amazing but in one condition:

it's very heavy on the plot, so as long as you ain't spoiled, you will love it.

same thing goes for Memento (by the same director, C. Nolan), in other word, a twisted plot.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: warcock on October 28, 2007, 04:22:35 PM: Rush Hour 3. I honestly think that the fact that the Girl WAS the list is pretty brilliant. It just cements how advanced of an organization the triads really are.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Bloodwake on October 28, 2007, 05:04:15 PM: SO FAR:

Death Proof.

BUT

I haven't seen Eastern Promises and a load of other films that have been released recently that I need to watch.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2007, 05:15:42 PM: Hot Fuzz
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: xnikki118x on October 28, 2007, 06:43:47 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on October 28, 2007, 04:13:02 PM
superbad was schizo and gimpy. knocked up pooped into its mouf. you smoke pole!

I think Knocked Up had more :rofl scenes, but Superbad was funnier overall. At least, I think that's what I thought of them at the time--I may have mixed them up, lol. But either way I liked Knocked Up more.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 06:45:11 PM: Superbad was funnier but Knocked Up was the better movie. Superbad was soulless compared to Knocked Up. It was a goofy (but very funny) teen movie. Knocked Up was a very touching and amazingly written guy friendly rom-com.

Why should how many times you laugh determine how good of a film a comedy is. Does how many times you cry in a drama determine how good it is? It's all silly.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 06:52:49 PM: Spider-Man 3 was my favorite movie this year so far. Seeing Stardust this weekend.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 06:57:21 PM: Spider-Man 3 made me want to vomit. Out of my asshole. 50 times.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 06:59:29 PM: That's lovely, but I don't really care. I had fun watching it.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 07:00:23 PM: omg, venom! best movie ever.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 07:03:27 PM: maybe it's just my overall hatred towards the direction they took with the 3rd movie.

maybe it just sucked.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 07:16:39 PM: Quote from: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 06:52:49 PM
Spider-Man 3 was my favorite movie this year so far. Seeing Stardust this weekend.
Stardust is fantastic. It is the polar opposite of LOTR and the lotr rip-off's that have dominated the fantasy film genre this decade.

It feels more like a 80's fantasy, in a good way.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 07:23:09 PM: What's that mean? You saying The Legend sucked? If so, we're going to throw down
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 07:24:53 PM: Legend as in Ridley Scott's Legend with Tom Cruise?

Legend the theatrical/VHS cut was pretty average. The director's cut is a very fun movie.

Best 80's fantasy movies though: The Princess Bride, Time Bandits, & Labyrinth
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2007, 07:25:21 PM: what the fuck ever happened to mia sara, anyhow? i'd want to die if i was featured in ferris bueller's shitty day off, too.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 07:26:26 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on October 28, 2007, 07:25:21 PM
what the fuck ever happened to mia sara, anyhow? i'd want to die if i was featured in ferris bueller's shitty day off, too.
Say hello to Mia Sara circa the 00's:
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/c1/Quinzel.png)
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2007, 07:26:45 PM: yikes just yikes, apparently ferris bueller gave her aids
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 07:27:27 PM: dike?
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 07:30:31 PM: More fun for you:
(http://www.gothamclocktower.com/harleymia.jpg)
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 28, 2007, 07:31:46 PM: wtf burn it
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Stocky on October 28, 2007, 07:36:11 PM: i'd hit it.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 09:35:45 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on October 28, 2007, 07:26:45 PM
yikes just yikes, apparently ferris bueller gave her aids

She just got old, it happens. She did a ton of nudity back when she was still hot, though. :drool
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2007, 09:38:54 PM: Look at those eyes. I'd love to stick my wiener in her eyelids and make them bleed. Fucking Bambi.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:41:13 PM: Quote from: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on October 28, 2007, 07:26:45 PM
yikes just yikes, apparently ferris bueller gave her aids

She just got old, it happens. She did a ton of nudity back when she was still hot, though. :drool
You can get in your 40's and not get dike hair!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 09:42:05 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:41:13 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on October 28, 2007, 07:26:45 PM
yikes just yikes, apparently ferris bueller gave her aids

She just got old, it happens. She did a ton of nudity back when she was still hot, though. :drool
You can get in your 40's and not get dike hair!

Ummm, you're in your twenties and you already have it, so what gives?
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:42:56 PM: Dike hair is girls getting super short hair. I am the total opposite!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 09:44:14 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:42:56 PM
Dike hair is girls getting super short hair. I am the total opposite!

You've got the male equivalent of dyke hair.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:45:39 PM: My hair isn't THAT long it is nowhere near my shoulder or anything.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Ichirou on October 28, 2007, 09:47:44 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 09:45:39 PM
My hair isn't THAT long it is nowhere near my shoulder or anything.

Have you considered getting rid of the curls?
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: etiolate on October 28, 2007, 11:06:36 PM: Lars and The Real Girl
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on October 28, 2007, 11:48:17 PM: I really haven't seen too many new movies and the ones that I did really kind of blew.....I'm a big fan of Zodiac though. I LOVE that film.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2007, 11:56:02 PM: Quote from: CajoleJuice on October 28, 2007, 02:51:31 PM
Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 02:00:37 PM
Is it just me or do none of you guys go to the fall movies? :-\

I went to go see Blade Runner: The Final Cut.

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Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: xnikki118x on October 29, 2007, 03:42:41 AM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 28, 2007, 06:45:11 PM
Why should how many times you laugh determine how good of a film a comedy is. Does how many times you cry in a drama determine how good it is? It's all silly.

I consider any physical response from me a good thing. If I actually laugh out loud during a show or a movie, it's because of good writing/acting. Same if I cry.

I don't like Rascal Flatts, but the first time I heard "Skin" on the radio I had to pull over because I needed to cry a little. It was that touching and it's a great song. I still don't like the band, but it's a good song. Just like how '50 First Dates' is a pretty funny movie even if there's something about Drew Barrymore that bugs the shit out of me.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2007, 04:01:57 AM: Hot Fuzz
300

...uhhh, what else came out this year? I forgot. I'm looking forward to American Gangster and Tom Cruise's latest classic film, Lions for Lamb Chops
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Bloodwake on October 29, 2007, 11:23:06 AM: Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2007, 04:01:57 AM
Hot Fuzz
300

...uhhh, what else came out this year? I forgot. I'm looking forward to American Gangster and Tom Cruise's latest classic film, Lions for Lamb Chops

But 300 was HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE.

HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2007, 01:20:57 PM: I haven't seen much this year, um 300, Ratatouille, Wristcutters. I feel like there was one or two others I saw but I can't recall now...

Edit: Looking at the first page reminded me that I saw Knocked Up and Super Bad. Oh and Hotfuzz.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2007, 01:58:00 PM: Quote from: Bloodwake on October 29, 2007, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2007, 04:01:57 AM
Hot Fuzz
300
Lamb Chops

But 300 was HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE.

I'm with PD, 300 and hotfuzz so far.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 29, 2007, 01:59:26 PM: some of you guys need to stop buying so many gams and go to the theater! Movies came out after may you know
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2007, 02:08:02 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 29, 2007, 01:59:26 PM
some of you guys need to stop buying so many gams and go to the theater! Movies came out after may you know

$10-$14 for 2 hours of entertainment is a poor value.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 02:10:13 PM: 300 gets worse with each viewing.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 29, 2007, 02:21:22 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 02:10:13 PM
300 gets worse with each viewing.

Have you seen 1776, Robot Chicken's parody sequel to 300?
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 02:23:14 PM: Quote from: distantmantra on October 29, 2007, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 02:10:13 PM
300 gets worse with each viewing.

Have you seen 1776, Robot Chicken's parody sequel to 300?
:lol no but now i'm going to search youtube for it.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 02:28:51 PM: :lol :lol :lol

that was awesome
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Prost on October 29, 2007, 02:31:46 PM: I thought reign over me was a good one. It just seemed extremely real, like that's how people would really act, as if it was unscripted.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2007, 02:36:59 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 02:10:13 PM
300 gets worse with each viewing.

I watched it a second time on DVD with my GF. All the shit that leads up to the actual combat is so painfully slow and boring. Actually all the non combat stuff is horrible.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: brawndolicious on October 29, 2007, 02:48:45 PM: I was watching 300 for like 5 minutes and got too bored to watch past that. I think I have it somewhere, are non-combat scenes the majority or the minority?
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Mupepe on October 29, 2007, 03:42:11 PM: Quote from: am nintenho on October 29, 2007, 02:48:45 PM
I was watching 300 for like 5 minutes and got too bored to watch past that. I think I have it somewhere, are non-combat scenes the majority or the minority?
it doesn't really matter.

all scenes (combat/non-combat) are in slow motion so they're all pretty boring.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: brawndolicious on October 29, 2007, 05:49:20 PM: yeah that's what I figured. I bet most of the people hyped up about this on the internet didn't even watch it.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 29, 2007, 07:54:36 PM: After seeing Gone Baby Gone, I now agree with Cheebs. I can't believe I'm saying an Affleck family presentation is my movie of the year so far.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Gay Boy on October 29, 2007, 08:04:09 PM: Quote from: CajoleJuice on October 29, 2007, 07:54:36 PM
After seeing Gone Baby Gone, I now agree with Cheebs. I can't believe I'm saying an Affleck family presentation is my movie of the year so far.
fuck yes :bow

How the hell Ben Affleck can direct damn well is a mystery.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Solo on November 11, 2007, 01:31:45 PM: Got to see The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford while in Edmonton (where the film was shot, oddly enough).

Yeah, its my new #1 for the year.

It and Zodiac are pretty much the two bonafide masterpieces for me this year. Go historical epics!
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2007, 06:17:24 PM: Quote from: Gay Boy on October 29, 2007, 01:59:26 PM
some of you guys need to stop buying so many gams and go to the theater! Movies came out after may you know

Meh, I like games way more than most movies, so TOO BAD. :maf

I've only seen like 5 movies this year I think.

300
Knocked Up
SuperBad
Die Hard 4
Fantastic 4

I didn't like any of these in particular, but I'll probably go with DH4 or 300.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 11, 2007, 06:34:12 PM: probably ratatouille, hot fuzz or knocked up.
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: demi on November 11, 2007, 06:42:54 PM: still hot fuzz, and will stretch through 08 too
Title: Re: What Is Your Favorite Movie So Far This Year?
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 11, 2007, 06:56:48 PM: Bourne Ultimatum

Hot Fuzz was good but the 1st 20% was mediocre.