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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:00:08 AM

Title: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:00:08 AM
. . .The Departed, and I determine whether or not it deserves to sniff the shit of Children of Men.

Before I watch, does anyone here think The Departed deserved best picture, or is the general concensus that it was a pity win?
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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2007, 01:06:12 AM
Well, the Director oscar was the pity oscar.

The Academy was so fucking stupid it didn't even nominate CoM for best picture... and it gave the best editing oscar to the good but inferior Pan's Labyrinth.  In 20 years everyone who didn't vote to nominate CoM is going to either be dead or put to death.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:10:43 AM
Argh, Pan's Labyrinth is totally great, but how could anything win the editing category when put up against CoM?  Those long takes will probably never not be impressive!

Also, a few minutes in to The Departed, and Jack is fucking amazing me.  He really is one of the best American actors ever.  He gets criticized for, well, always being Jack Nicholson, with the same vocal patterns and the same facial expressions, but when he's on and in a role, he's so awesome and hardcore.  It's so clear when he gives a fuck about a role.
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Post by: SpudBud on November 09, 2007, 01:11:15 AM
I liked The Departed, but I'm not sure it deserved the oscar.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:12:33 AM
WHAT THE FUCK IS MATT DAMON'S ACCENT?  He sounds like he belongs in a fucking cartoon.

EDIT:  IT'S ANTWON MITCHELL!  HE'S BAD!  You can tell because he is black.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 09, 2007, 01:12:45 AM
Are you watching it in HD?  I was disappointed with the PQ on this one.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on November 09, 2007, 01:13:41 AM
Are you watching it in HD?  I was disappointed with the PQ on this one.

Which format?  I got the BD but I haven't seen it yet. 
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 01:15:37 AM
My favorite films from 2006, in no order:

The Departed
The Fountain
Children of Men
Pan's Labyrinth
The Prestige

Which is the best film? For me it would be between The Departed and Children of Men; The Prestige was the most entertaining to me btw.

The Departed:
+Great actings
+Great script
+Nice pacing
-Questionable editing
-Plot holes
-

Children of Men:
+Stunning cinematography
+Thought provoking
-Slow beginning
-Questionable ending

IMO The Departed is a better film overall, and is better than the other films I listed. Children of Men should have won the cinematography award, and Pan's should have won best foreign picture
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:15:44 AM
Are you watching it in HD?  I was disappointed with the PQ on this one.

Yeah, Blu Ray.  It's not a particularly impressive transfer.  I have it paused right now and there's quite a bit of visible, unintentional grain.  It's kind of a trip seeing a crappy looking modern movie after working through 3 pristine looking 20+ year old flicks.  

But Scorsese isn't an impressive visual director to begin with, so it's not like it's taking anything away.

Dudes, Matt Damon's accent is terrible.  Fuck authenticity, it sounds like he's Bugs Bunny's cousin or something.  And I *like* Damon.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 09, 2007, 01:16:55 AM
Are you watching it in HD?  I was disappointed with the PQ on this one.

Which format?  I got the BD but I haven't seen it yet. 

HD DVD

I'd imagine it's the same either way.  Way too soft, and quite drab.  I'm sure a lot of it is the way it was filmed, but...there were times I thought I was watching an upscaled DVD.

Casino, on the other hand, is a Scorsese flick with a rock-solid HD transfer.  It's just beautiful.  The Aviator came out this week, and it's gorgeous, too.
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Post by: bagofeyes on November 09, 2007, 01:17:18 AM
departed was good the first time, but goes downhill sharply on subsequent viewings.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:18:54 AM
Okay, 2 scenes later and the accent is gone now.  I can live with that.  Matt "Keanu" Damon.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 09, 2007, 01:19:35 AM
Dudes, Matt Damon's accent is terrible.  Fuck authenticity, it sounds like he's Bugs Bunny's cousin or something.  And I *like* Damon.

I kept wondering if that was intentional, because the movie does have cartoonish tendencies.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 01:20:31 AM
Argh, Pan's Labyrinth is totally great, but how could anything win the editing category when put up against CoM?  Those long takes will probably never not be impressive!

Also, a few minutes in to The Departed, and Jack is fucking amazing me.  He really is one of the best American actors ever.  He gets criticized for, well, always being Jack Nicholson, with the same vocal patterns and the same facial expressions, but when he's on and in a role, he's so awesome and hardcore.  It's so clear when he gives a fuck about a role.

Don't you agree that CoM should've won Cinematography too?
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:21:29 AM
Leo <3
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:24:09 AM
Eh, not very far in, but so far this isn't very interesting.

I really, really love The Aviator, btw.  Is that in HD?
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Post by: Synbios459 on November 09, 2007, 01:24:37 AM
geez tvc watch brobeback mountain, i'd REALLY like to hear what you have to say, PLEASE i'll give you a :cookie
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:25:55 AM
Dude, it's Ang Lee.  I will fall asleep 20 minutes in, and eventually go back and watch the interesting scenes with scene select.  He makes boring movies and I won't knowingly watch something boring.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 09, 2007, 01:26:18 AM
Leo is the final De Niro in the Scorsese lifechart

And yes, Aviator is out on HD DVD and Blu Ray - surprisingly, it was not stripped of all the special features from the DVD set, and remains intact.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 01:26:24 AM
I have to say I enjoyed The Departed more than Children of Men. I love both movies though.
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Post by: Synbios459 on November 09, 2007, 01:26:48 AM
Dude, it's Ang Lee.  I will fall asleep 20 minutes in, and eventually go back and watch the interesting scenes with scene select.  He makes boring movies and I won't knowingly watch something boring.
but it has your kind of people in it.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 01:27:12 AM
dude why not get off the computer and actually watch the damn movie
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:27:33 AM
Leo is the final De Niro in the Scorsese lifechart

And yes, Aviator is out on HD DVD and Blu Ray - surprisingly, it was not stripped of all the special features from the DVD set, and remains intact.

I will have to nab that.  I am actually a pretty big Leo booster.  He is a talented actor, and he's gotten pretty decent at picking good roles after a fairly rough period.

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dude why not get off the computer and actually watch the damn movie

I am watching it.  I have my laptop in my lap.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 01:30:02 AM
but you aren't paying attention. film must be digested with no distractions in the way. don't make me write 4000 words
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 09, 2007, 01:30:37 AM
The only problem I have with The Aviator is Cate Blanchett's Katherine Hepburn - she did a good job, but I almost wish she hadn't tried to sound like her.  It's impossible to do a Katherine Hepburn voice without it sounding like a vocal caricature.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2007, 01:30:57 AM
My favorite films from 2006, in no order:

The Departed
The Fountain
Children of Men
Pan's Labyrinth
The Prestige

Which is the best film? For me it would be between The Departed and Children of Men; The Prestige was the most entertaining to me btw.

The Departed:
+Great actings
+Great script
+Nice pacing
-Questionable editing
-Plot holes
-

Children of Men:
+Stunning cinematography
+Thought provoking
-Slow beginning
-Questionable ending

IMO The Departed is a better film overall, and is better than the other films I listed. Children of Men should have won the cinematography award, and Pan's should have won best foreign picture

lollerskates, pee dee thinks that "questionable endings" are bad points when talking about a film.

"THIS WASN'T PAINTED IN SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE TERMS FOR MY MEAGER, UNFORGIVEN-HATING INTELLECT TO UNNERSTAND.  ME NO LIKEY, I WATCH FORREST GUMP INSTEAD"
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:31:08 AM
but you aren't paying attention. film must be digested with no distractions in the way. don't make me write 4000 words

If the film demanded my attention, I would gladly give it.  So far, it hasn't.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 01:32:12 AM
My favorite films from 2006, in no order:

The Departed
The Fountain
Children of Men
Pan's Labyrinth
The Prestige

Which is the best film? For me it would be between The Departed and Children of Men; The Prestige was the most entertaining to me btw.

The Departed:
+Great actings
+Great script
+Nice pacing
-Questionable editing
-Plot holes
-

Children of Men:
+Stunning cinematography
+Thought provoking
-Slow beginning
-Questionable ending

IMO The Departed is a better film overall, and is better than the other films I listed. Children of Men should have won the cinematography award, and Pan's should have won best foreign picture

lollerskates, pee dee thinks that "questionable endings" are bad points when talking about a film.

"THIS WASN'T PAINTED IN SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE TERMS FOR MY MEAGER, UNFORGIVEN-HATING INTELLECT TO UNNERSTAND.  ME NO LIKEY, I WATCH FORREST GUMP INSTEAD"

Dude give me a break, I gave it a 9.5. And while I like the ending, I felt it could have been handled differently. I really need to see it again
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Post by: drohne on November 09, 2007, 01:34:02 AM
i think the departed is pretty great. it doesn't have the sheer momentum and visual exuberance of goodfellas -- nor are its choices of pop music nearly as inspired. so it probably was a makeup oscar to some degree. but dicaprio and damon are really good, in really different ways -- dicaprio's immediacy and vulnerability, the sense damon conveys of a man falling apart behind an increasingly false exterior. i watched infernal affairs earlier this year, and the departed actually loses some of that movie's geometric plotting and allegorical chill -- they're interesting to compare
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 01:38:07 AM
my problem with com's ending was that it wasn't ambiguous enough, and any interpretation other than the obvious one is the result of either a) cognitive dissonance; or b) a massive contrarian streak.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 01:38:42 AM
pd, quit scoring shit. you suck at it!
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 01:40:07 AM
Children of Men: 9.5
Pan's: 9
The Fountain: 9
The Prestige: 9
The Departed: 9.5

 :pimp

Ed Wood: 8
Catch Me If You Can: 9
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:40:52 AM
I've been watching mostly foreign movies, so one thing that is painfully sticking out to me about the acting in The Departed:  All the big name actors are doing great jobs, but incedental characters, characters that just have one line or something, the drop in quality is huge.  In Children of Men, even people that just have one or two lines appear to be like, pros, but in The Departed, any actor that you see that you do not know the name of, chances are they will deliver any lines they have kinda like, badly.  I think that's just a difference between good foreign films and the american way of making movies.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 01:41:59 AM
my problem with com's ending was that it wasn't ambiguous enough, and any interpretation other than the obvious one is the result of either a) cognitive dissonance; or b) a massive contrarian streak.

I would've liked it if it just ended with them in that little boat.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 01:43:16 AM
tvc: so i'm not the only person who hated damon's partner? his "no time to be made sergeant" line delivery in the beginning of the film is just so dumb.

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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 01:47:27 AM
Man, I always forget how much I like Leo between catching him in movies.  He's really good.

Kinda getting into it now.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 02:05:20 AM
Leo is quickly becoming one of my fav actors, although I still will never see Titanic. I saw Catch Me If You Can last week and it was really good, in part due to his great performance
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Post by: Ichirou on November 09, 2007, 02:14:22 AM
Leo is quickly becoming one of my fav actors, although I still will never see Titanic. I saw Catch Me If You Can last week and it was really good, in part due to his great performance

You should watch Titanic.  You get to see Kate Winslet's boob.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:16:55 AM
Does Leo ever get to suck Jack Nicholson's dick?  That would rock.

So far, I like the Leo and Jack stuff, but the Damon stuff isn't doing anything for me.  Leo and Jack are awesome, though.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:25:32 AM
Those "oxycontin" pills in no way resembled at all what oxycontin looks like.
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 02:35:23 AM
Children of men might be a great movie but i cant watch it simply because of the distinguished mentally-challenged concept its based on.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:35:59 AM
Just over an hour in, and the movie is losing me.

It's decently made and Jack and Leo are great, but this is all about the plot, nothing thinky or heavily thematic about it.  And for a movie about cops and moles and the like, it's really not doing anything special.  After 4 seasons of The Shield, this is all pretty much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 02:38:39 AM
FAP TO THE HOTS.
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Post by: Ichirou on November 09, 2007, 02:41:35 AM
Just over an hour in, and the movie is losing me.

It's decently made and Jack and Leo are great, but this is all about the plot, nothing thinky or heavily thematic about it.  And for a movie about cops and moles and the like, it's really not doing anything special.  After 4 seasons of The Shield, this is all pretty much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

It's pretty funny that when Scorsese was interviewed, the reason he gave for initially not wanting to do it is exactly what you're complaining about; it was a plot-based movie rather than a character-based movie, which is what he likes to do.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 02:42:54 AM
Just over an hour in, and the movie is losing me.

It's decently made and Jack and Leo are great, but this is all about the plot, nothing thinky or heavily thematic about it.  And for a movie about cops and moles and the like, it's really not doing anything special.  After 4 seasons of The Shield, this is all pretty much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You should watch Season 5, btw. Insanity.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:43:15 AM
Just over an hour in, and the movie is losing me.

It's decently made and Jack and Leo are great, but this is all about the plot, nothing thinky or heavily thematic about it.  And for a movie about cops and moles and the like, it's really not doing anything special.  After 4 seasons of The Shield, this is all pretty much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

It's pretty funny that when Scorsese was interviewed, the reason he gave for initially not wanting to do it is exactly what you're complaining about; it was a plot-based movie rather than a character-based movie, which is what he likes to do.

Oddly enough, the reasons I'm still watching are Jack and Leo.

I can't see how people can say they don't like the deliberate pacing of CoM, but they're cool with this.

Just over an hour in, and the movie is losing me.

It's decently made and Jack and Leo are great, but this is all about the plot, nothing thinky or heavily thematic about it.  And for a movie about cops and moles and the like, it's really not doing anything special.  After 4 seasons of The Shield, this is all pretty much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You should watch Season 5, btw. Insanity.

I'm waiting for 6 to come out so I can watch them in a row.  6 should come out right before 7 airs, so it will be a good time.  I can finish up the series in one go.
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 02:47:09 AM

Children of Men:
+Stunning cinematography
+Thought provoking
-Slow beginning
-Questionable ending

IMO The Departed is a better film overall, and is better than the other films I listed. Children of Men should have won the cinematography award, and Pan's should have won best foreign picture

"+Thought provoking."

explain? I hope its a socially oriented thesis and not biologically unsound WHAT IFs.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:48:43 AM
Warcock, you're distinguished mentally-challenged, as evidenced by:

Children of men might be a great movie but i cant watch it simply because of the distinguished mentally-challenged concept its based on.

so shut up.
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 02:53:31 AM
blow me taco. Isn't the gist of the story that suddenly All females in the whole wide world become sterile, minus one. And then drama ensues, for fuck's sake the day after tommorow is more likely to occur. What makes the film so good? Clive owen can wipe the sweat off my balls.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:55:35 AM
So you haven't even seen the movie, warcock?  Figures.  I'm not going to waste my breath, except to say:  the premise of the world isn't the whole movie; it's a part of the setup.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 02:56:24 AM
the fuck, warcock? the premise is fine. they don't even posit WHY women are becoming sterile, so complaining about it as though its implausible is so disingenuous as to require a whole new word for the notion of extreme disingenuity. the fuck!
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 03:00:14 AM
So you haven't even seen the movie, warcock?  Figures.  I'm not going to waste my breath, except to say:  the premise of the world isn't the whole movie; it's a part of the setup.

I thought that post that you actually quoted made it quite clear that i didn't watch it and that im interested in knowing whats interesting besides the "setup".  :-\


Drinky: Yes but the laymen around me were jizzing about the fact that it was a brilliant take on world apocalypze and that the action was great...
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 03:02:14 AM
because it has GORGEOUS FUCKING CINEMATOGRAPHY and a FUCKING GREAT CLIVE OWEN PERFORMANCE? i wasn't as enthralled by it as some folks were, but it was definitely worth watching, dune coon. it might not be 2 fast 2 furious enough for you, though!
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 03:03:09 AM
because it has GORGEOUS FUCKING CINEMATOGRAPHY and a FUCKING GREAT CLIVE OWEN PERFORMANCE? i wasn't as enthralled by it as some folks were, but it was definitely worth watching, dune coon. it might not be 2 fast 2 furious enough for you, though!

NOTED, now if i could get my fat ass to do something else then study and play tf2 :/
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 03:03:20 AM
it's not a brilliant take on a world apocalypse, but complaining about that is like complaining that 2001 isn't a brilliant take on space exploration. jesus -- i mean MOHAMMED -- watch it and make your mind up for yourself
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 03:05:03 AM
it's not a brilliant take on a world apocalypse, but complaining about that is like complaining that 2001 isn't a brilliant take on space exploration. jesus -- i mean MOHAMMED -- watch it and make your mind up for yourself

Yeah i dont have much of an excuse actually. I did watch rush hour 3 at the movies... But hey i had rewardz to reapz.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 03:08:06 AM
complaining about the plot of com or any sci fi movie creates a big ass slippery slope duder.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 03:08:59 AM
warcock:  Children of Men paints what feels like a fairly realistic, atmospheric near future.  Mankind is on the brink of extinction, and not just because of the sterility issue.  The movie is increidbly immersive, and really, really nice looking.  

Despite having a science fiction/speculative setting, it touches on a number of relevant themes, from religion, to terrorism, and to how near mankind is from destroying itself at any given moment.  Despite dealing with Heavy Things, the movie never feels particularly preachy, though it does walk a fine line.  Also, despite dealing with heavy things, it's doesn't feel like a particularly heavy movie.  It spends some time establishing itself (this didn't bug me because the movie looks great and is very immersive, although some people apparently think it's too long), but once it gets moving, it's really a stone's throw away from being an adventure movie.

The actual plot, the movement of the story, is really fairly thin.  I felt like the whole purpose of the movie was to give me an overview of this near future, realistic world.  The whole movie feels really real.

Performances are fantastic, all around, and there are even some great action sequences, most notably a great gunfight towards the end.  And the whole movie looks jizzingly awesome.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 03:10:43 AM
can we all agree the battlefield tracking shot at the end>goodfellas tracking shot?
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 03:10:57 AM
oh yes
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 03:11:09 AM
warcock:  Children of Men paints what feels like a fairly realistic, atmospheric near future.  Mankind is on the brink of extinction, and not just because of the sterility issue.  The movie is increidbly immersive, and really, really nice looking.  

Despite having a science fiction/speculative setting, it touches on a number of relevant themes, from religion, to terrorism, and to how near mankind is from destroying itself at any given moment.  Despite dealing with Heavy Things, the movie never feels particularly preachy, though it does walk a fine line.  Also, despite dealing with heavy things, it's doesn't feel like a particularly heavy movie.  It spends some time establishing itself (this didn't bug me because the movie looks great and is very immersive, although some people apparently think it's too long), but once it gets moving, it's really a stone's throw away from being an adventure movie.

The actual plot, the movement of the story, is really fairly thin.  I felt like the whole purpose of the movie was to give me an overview of this near future, realistic world.  The whole movie feels really real.

Performances are fantastic, all around, and there are even some great action sequences, most notably a great gunfight towards the end.  And the whole movie looks jizzingly awesome.

well written post, thanks. Ill most likely rent it tommorow.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 03:17:43 AM
can we all agree the battlefield tracking shot at the end>goodfellas tracking shot?

is that even a comparison? jesus
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 03:25:31 AM
man I want jack nicholson to fuck me
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Post by: Ichirou on November 09, 2007, 03:27:08 AM
man I want jack nicholson to fuck me

Oh, he will.
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Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 03:28:02 AM
man I want jack nicholson to fuck me
You think hes hot :/

My uncle looks alot like him. Ill hook you up if he gets a divorce :/
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Post by: Vizzys on November 09, 2007, 03:29:01 AM
the ending sucked

spoiler (click to show/hide)

"oh noes I'm bleeding"

"no thats me, lulz"
[close]
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 04:24:16 AM
SPOILERSZZZZ for The Departed


The last 40 minutes or so were great, but it really took that movie a while to get interesting.  There's also a fairly obvious plot hole (Barrigan--He graduated the same time as Damon; how would Frank have gotten two moles through academy at the exact same time without them knowing of each other), and the ending was a bit too twisty for its own good.

Overall, good, not great, and not even in Marty's top 5.  Pity oscars total.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 04:26:01 AM
You never answered my question.

CoM for Cinematography Oscar. Yay or nay?
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 04:29:05 AM
You never answered my question.

CoM for Cinematography Oscar. Yay or nay?

Probably. . .I do need to see Pan's Labyrinth in HD, though, and HD sometimes makes a HUGE difference, I've come to realize.

Final score for The Departed is 7/10.  It's entertaining, but it has some serious problems.  CoM trounces it for 2006 films.  I'm close to subtracting an extra bitterness point in order to counteract all the pity points Departed has gotten.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 04:30:16 AM
Fair enough. Seeing both in theaters, though...CoM fucking blew me away.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Also, the female in The Departed played a significant role in the final payoff, but otherwise, she was pretty underdeveloped.  She had a few card scenes, but the plotty nature of the movie gave away a "surprise" turn for her once it became fairly obvious that she didn't really have a part to play in the main plot.  And sure enough, in the end, she is there to deliver the final zinger and then disappear.  We NEVER KNOW what her true feelings are, whether she's for Leo or Matt, and we never know what she feels like about Matt turning on her, aside from putting the call in to Marky Mark.  We know she must have hated him for his dishonesty, and that's it.  She, the only female character in the story worth mentioning, is nothing but a PLOT DEVICE, and a lame and obvious one at that.  Her character got about just as much development as the CITIZIN envelope that gave Matt Damon away (another plot device, and one that ended up being 100% inconsequential to the plot, wasting a nice little twist).

Those are the sorts of things that make me say the ending was a little too twisty for its own good.  These things, in movies, are supposed to resemble nice little packages; the ending here almost got that, but there were little issues.  The excuse "REAL LIFE DOESN'T MAKE NEAT LITTLE PACKAGES" will not hold up, so don't even try it--the whole movie made plays and references to symmetry throughout, so the lack of neatness in the ending is well, messy.
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Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2007, 04:46:13 AM
children of men is an action movie and the apocalypse stuff doesn't really make much sense.  with the premise it had, I'd prefer if they took out having a "fertility goddess" and just focus on the time immediately after the infertility virus spreads so you can see character development that's much more radical and relevant, rather than "baby omg", but the way they did it is that they just went with a hostile government and terrorists so they could set up an action movie.  They could have still made a great action movie if they made the story first but I guess that's too much thought.  I haven't read the book and that might be a lot different (I know maf read it) so I need to read that.  An example of a really good action movie with an actually really good story is Rambo 1, the sequels were just pure action but the first one was probably the best action movie ever made because it was completely character-driven in addition to having huge explosions.

the departed sucks hard cock.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: warcock on November 09, 2007, 04:51:34 AM
totally.


[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M1KiXWWTxg[/youtube]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M1KiXWWTxg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M1KiXWWTxg)
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: bud on November 09, 2007, 09:56:44 AM
tvc, did you get a goodfellas vibe from the first 15 minutes or so? i kinda did. overall, i thought the movie was great, though there were some weird story issues--like castello being an fbi informant. i'd wanted to see/hear more about that in the movie.

the best scene in the movie is when damon kills everyone in the elevator. that was so fucking awesome. it's like *door opens* and you expect them to walk out, but in 3 seconds he kills the cop cop and dicaprio. that was good stuff.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 09, 2007, 10:27:26 AM
my problem with com's ending was that it wasn't ambiguous enough, and any interpretation other than the obvious one is the result of either a) cognitive dissonance; or b) a massive contrarian streak.

I agree with Drinky

If they were left ummmm, I think I'll spoiler

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If they were left floating in the row boat without any signs pointing to the Human Project? (kinda forgot the name) being near to pick up the child then it wouldn't have hooked me. I felt kinda cheated mainly due to the fact that it felt like half a movie to me, as if that would have sequed into some other aspect of the movie. I loved everything else about the movie though (Should have won for Cinemetography and Editing or something).

I understand it was supposed to be some Sad and Happy ending, hope for humanities future but its that type of semi-cookie cutter ending that made Blade Runners ending not as awesome (Theatrical Cut)
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Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Bloodwake on November 09, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
My opinion on the Departed:

Out of all the movies nominated for best picture, the Departed was the most deserving.

Don't ask me to choose between the Departed, Children of Men, and Pan's Labyrinth though. All three of those movies were amazing and I thought all should have been nominated for best picture. Children of Men DEFINITELY needed to win at least best cinematography, because it's absolutely amazing. I love all three movies, and while the Departed has its flaws and it's definitely nowhere near as good as Goodfellas, it's definitely a good movie.

Honestly, I can't really complain about the Blu-Ray transfer for the Departed. I mean, it's not as good as Casino Royale or Clockwork Orange, but I've seen Blu-Ray transfers that are just lazily bad. I would describe the Departed transfer as adequate.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2007, 11:49:18 AM
I have to say I enjoyed The Departed more than Children of Men. I love both movies though.
same here


Leo is incredible in the The Departed.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 02:36:32 PM
SPOILERSZZZZ for The Departed


The last 40 minutes or so were great, but it really took that movie a while to get interesting.  There's also a fairly obvious plot hole (Barrigan--He graduated the same time as Damon; how would Frank have gotten two moles through academy at the exact same time without them knowing of each other), and the ending was a bit too twisty for its own good.

Overall, good, not great, and not even in Marty's top 5.  Pity oscars total.

Barrigan was kicked out of the academy remember.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
That doesn't explain the reason it can be seen as a hole.  It dfoesn't explain how Jack would manage to sneak two moles into academy at the same time without them knowing.  If he were trying to orchestrate that, it would be pretty difficult to do without each of them knowing about it.  It would be more believable if they were a few years apart.

The Departed, taken as an Academy Award winner, was totally underwhelming, and possibly the dumbest win since Forrest Gump.  The Prestige was even a significantly better and more entertaining movie than this.

It's thematically all over the place, too.  At first, what with the woman and all, I thought it was playing with themes about truth and honesty, but it quickly drops that, and in the last third it pulls the theme of identity out of its ass, without any previous build-up.  The movie is a mess, and it's lucky that it has an interesting last hour, or nobody would have bothered even remembering its title.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 02:43:43 PM
forrest gump?  :'(
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 02:46:21 PM
BT:

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i think the ending should NOT have shown the rescue boat, but left the viewer with a brand of the same uncomfortable hope for the future that the survivors felt. showing the rescue boat was too easy an out for an emotionally difficult movie. if the movie is trying to earnestly demonstrate the desperate optimism of the human condition, it should NOT pull its last punch. clive owens' death was just a way of saying "see, we're still dark!" -- it seemed too hollywood, too much of the cinema martyr cliche. not as bad as green goblin's martyrdom, though!
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Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:49:21 PM
Of course, giving The Departed all sorts of pity Oscars creates all sorts of problems that will have to be addressed in the future.  What if Cuaron suffers the same chronic bad luck as Scorsese, and continues making great movies that, by chance, happen to be overshadowed by "better" movies?  What if he in some day wins a pity oscar in the face of some fresh new director that earned it, creating an endless cycle of pity oscars being awarded for lesser films.  Because I really, really doubt lightning can strike twice when it comes to something of the quality of Children of Men.  After all, Scorsese has made a lot of great movies, but he's never matched the quality of Taxi Driver or Raging Bull in his career.

As I said, The Departed isn't even in his top 5.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2007, 02:52:59 PM
forrest gump is schlock, dude. it is hollywood at its pompous worst -- when it is attempting to create an uplifting, gooey, populist piece of sentimental shinola couched in the shallowest language of critical appeasement.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 02:54:13 PM
BT:

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i think the ending should NOT have shown the rescue boat, but left the viewer with a brand of the same uncomfortable hope for the future that the survivors felt. showing the rescue boat was too easy an out for an emotionally difficult movie. if the movie is trying to earnestly demonstrate the desperate optimism of the human condition, it should NOT pull its last punch. clive owens' death was just a way of saying "see, we're still dark!" -- it seemed too hollywood, too much of the cinema martyr cliche. not as bad as green goblin's martyrdom, though!
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Yea. It was kinda disappointing. It reminds me of how I feel about that tacked on extra scene in Se7en. But that's not as central to the ending, it's just tacked on.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 09, 2007, 02:54:58 PM
My biggest gripe with The Departed is the elevator sequence.  If you did a shot-by-shot remake using South Park characters and animation, without altering the dialogue whatsoever, it would be the funniest thing Matt and Trey had ever done.  That's because it's just so absurd - the only reason I can gather the audience didn't erupt into laughter was the tense way the previous bit of dialogue was exchanged.  That said, it's just ridiculous and that scene gets funnier and funnier as time passes.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 02:55:42 PM
What's the extra scene in se7en?  It's been a while and I probably won't buy that until it is in HD.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 09, 2007, 02:57:29 PM
What's the extra scene in se7en?  It's been a while and I probably won't buy that until it is in HD.

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Just that part where they show Mills getting arrested and Morgan Freeman gives that voiceover. Fincher says in the commentary that he wanted to end it with that scene in the field. I agree with that.
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Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 03:05:11 PM
hmm, I want some Fincher tonite.  I guess I will put in The Game on HD-DVD :D
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
hmm, I want some Fincher tonite.  I guess I will put in The Game on HD-DVD :D

 :bow :bow :bow

dude that movie is AWESOME. and it's still suspenseful to me despite seeing like 10 times
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2007, 04:12:12 PM
My biggest gripe with The Departed is the elevator sequence.  If you did a shot-by-shot remake using South Park characters and animation, without altering the dialogue whatsoever, it would be the funniest thing Matt and Trey had ever done.  That's because it's just so absurd - the only reason I can gather the audience didn't erupt into laughter was the tense way the previous bit of dialogue was exchanged.  That said, it's just ridiculous and that scene gets funnier and funnier as time passes.
yeah it's way too fucked up to be an story-driven movie but if somebody says it's just a plain crime movie I would accept it.  no where near the best film of last year though.
Title: Re: TONITE: I watch. . .
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 05:24:53 PM
Scorsese has to go to bed every night knowing he got his best picture and director awards for one of his weaker efforts.  That has to be at least a little troubling to him.  Mediocrity (for him) rewarded, while his masterpieces Raging Bull and Taxi Driver will be considered by the mainstream public to be also rans against what has been dubbed by the Academy as his most noteworthy work.
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Post by: Ichirou on November 09, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
That is kinda sad...but he really wanted that fucking Oscar.
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Post by: Bloodwake on November 09, 2007, 05:47:44 PM
Scorsese has to go to bed every night knowing he got his best picture and director awards for one of his weaker efforts.  That has to be at least a little troubling to him.  Mediocrity (for him) rewarded, while his masterpieces Raging Bull and Taxi Driver will be considered by the mainstream public to be also rans against what has been dubbed by the Academy as his most noteworthy work.

Taxi Driver especially is more deserving. What year was that, 1977? I've never seen Annie Hall so I can't say that Taxi Driver was better, but I would wager it was.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2007, 05:55:32 PM
Scorsese has to go to bed every night knowing he got his best picture and director awards for one of his weaker efforts.  That has to be at least a little troubling to him.  Mediocrity (for him) rewarded, while his masterpieces Raging Bull and Taxi Driver will be considered by the mainstream public to be also rans against what has been dubbed by the Academy as his most noteworthy work.

Taxi Driver especially is more deserving. What year was that, 1977? I've never seen Annie Hall so I can't say that Taxi Driver was better, but I would wager it was.

76.  Rocky won that year.  While I think Taxi Driver is a better movie, I can live at peace with Rocky winning.  I think Taxi Driver got a kind of mixed critical reception.