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Title: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 01:50:13 PM: The Knicks have been irrelevant for years. Can we even remember a conversation in the past two decades where they've come up in NBA discussion whatsoever? So for a franchise that has been wallowing in mediocrity for years, to get so much coverage on ESPN, seems ridiculous. Yes, I know it's New York. But - hey! - when the Jets tank, ESPN doesn't spend all year chronicling their failures. There are better teams in the NBA getting less national coverage than the nicks. Lot better teams.

The Knicks don't even boast a marquee player worthy of any attention. When your "star" is Stephon Marbury and you get more press than a bad 76ers team that had Allen Iverson or a mediocre Timberwolves team that once boasted Kevin Garnett, this just seems stupid to me.

Maybe there is some credibility that ESPN just focuses on the Boston and New York markets. The rest are afterthoughts.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Solo on December 01, 2007, 01:51:38 PM: I ask this same question all the time, except substituting basketball with hockey, the Knicks with the Leafs, and the US with Canada.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 01:53:29 PM: Perhaps our countries are not so different after all, day walker.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2007, 01:55:08 PM: In the past 2 decades? Oh you mean, NBA championships in 1994 where the Knicks played the Rockets and got their ass beat? Back then, no one thought the Rockets would win but they did. Talkin' about: THIS IS NEW YORK. NEW YORK IS GONNA WIN.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 01:57:51 PM: I really should refine my time frame to like, the past fifteen years or so. They were a good East team in the early 90s, back when Ewing was in his prime, but they never managed to win anything meaningful whatsoever and quickly sank into irrelevancy.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2007, 01:59:23 PM: Patrick Ewing. LOLLLL

Poor Pat

I was watching some of the boston - miami game last night. it was LOL
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2007, 02:00:26 PM: Quote from: Willco on December 01, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
The Knicks have been irrelevant for years. Can we even remember a conversation in the past two decades where they've come up in NBA discussion whatsoever? So for a franchise that has been wallowing in mediocrity for years, to get so much coverage on ESPN, seems ridiculous. Yes, I know it's New York. But - hey! - when the Jets tank, ESPN doesn't spend all year chronicling their failures. There are better teams in the NBA getting less national coverage than the nicks. Lot better teams.

The Knicks don't even boast a marquee player worthy of any attention. When your "star" is Stephon Marbury and you get more press than a bad 76ers team that had Allen Iverson or a mediocre Timberwolves team that once boasted Kevin Garnett, this just seems stupid to me.

Maybe there is some credibility that ESPN just focuses on the Boston and New York markets. The rest are afterthoughts.

Comparing the Knicks to the Jets is laughable. The Knicks are a pretty huge, important NBA franchise which has been pretty sucky for years. Along with Boston and LA it's one of the most storied franchises as well. But Boston and LA don't have the huge media that NY has.

Boston's revival is going to be very important to the NBA in the long run, and it really puts more pressure on NY to get their act together; there are whispers that Stern might personally intervene. Can you imagine how huge it would be for NY to aquire a LeBron or Kobe? We'd never hear the end of that.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 02:03:07 PM: How are they a "huge, important" NBA franchise? Because they're based in New York? Just because they're in New York, doesn't mean we need to sit through endless coverage of their mediocrity. And to say that Los Angeles doesn't have the media that New York has is just speaking out of your not-black ass again. The only difference between the Lakers and the Knicks is that the Knicks are a cultural institution for New Yorkers and the Lakers have actually won meaningful games in the past ten years.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2007, 02:06:18 PM: The Knicks are a big, important NBA franchise, they just haven't really done shit worthy praising in like forever. But that doesn't discount their former influence.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 02:18:16 PM: I fail to see what makes them big and important outside of their market placement. They might have been big and important at one point and time, but merely being situated in New York doesn't make them big and important. Especially when they haven't done anything in years.
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Post by: Himu on December 01, 2007, 02:39:42 PM: oh i agree. but i guess people are just holding out hope they'll be good again or something
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2007, 02:40:16 PM: someone explain to me the stupids fascination with sports

no seriously
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2007, 02:41:30 PM: you don't like seeing big sweaty men working out? :-\
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: DeezNutzRBlue on December 01, 2007, 02:42:53 PM: DEEZKNICKSWEARBLUE!!! :lol :lol :lol That's the best I got. :(

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Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2007, 02:43:22 PM: no, and the fact that many people willingly indulge in tribalism to the significant exclusion of self-development baffles
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 03:04:34 PM: Some things are beyond even your grasp, good sir!
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Post by: etiolate on December 01, 2007, 08:52:58 PM: east coast bias *shrug*
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 01, 2007, 09:09:49 PM: Quote from: Solo on December 01, 2007, 01:51:38 PM
I ask this same question all the time, except substituting basketball with hockey, the Knicks with the Leafs, and the US with Canada.
There's your answer. Toronto is by far the biggest local media market in Canada. New York is by far the biggest local media market in the US.

Why is this not the same with the Jets?
The NFL is different in that it's more of a national sport. The media coverage thus tends to be less myopic. So a small market team like Green Bay can get a lot of coverage.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2007, 09:15:06 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on December 01, 2007, 02:43:22 PM
no, and the fact that many people willingly indulge in tribalism to the significant exclusion of self-development baffles

You think I or anyone else would actually spend that time on self-development? Kraut please.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 01, 2007, 09:20:35 PM: I was also annoyed by the media's obscession with the Knicks for many years but now I just ignored all the Knicks stories. The media's excuse for the excessive Knick coverage has always been that it's good for the NBA to have a good team in New York. I don't buy that at all because the NBA was incredibly successful in the 80s and 90s without having a dominant Knicks team. Even when the Ewing-led team was one of the top contenders, it didn't do much for the league's popularity. If anything, the ugly series between the Knicks and the Rockets started the decline of the NBA. The only reason why ratings didn't plummet after that terrible series was that Jordan decided to make a comeback.

The ironic thing about the media's desire of having a relevant NY team is that they're the main reasons why the Knicks are perpetually mired in mediocrity. Because it's unacceptable for the Knicks to miss the playoffs, Knicks management sacrifice long term plans just to be a low seed every year which means there's an endless cycle of many bad contracts and few good draft picks.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2007, 09:59:34 PM: Jets are a bad comparison. They're the secondary NY team in the sport, along with the Mets and Islanders.

The Yankees and Giants definitely get coverage disproportionate to their success.

More generally, teams from large markets with long histories tend to have big fanbases even outside their home towns. It's why you can find Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs fans showing up at road games.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 01, 2007, 10:16:30 PM: Yea, since I live in New York this stuff doesn't really bother me.

On the other hand, the Knicks being absolutely worthless does.

And the Jets sucking.

And the Mets collapsing.

Fuck.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 10:29:57 PM: The Jets aren't secondary - Manhattan roots for the Jets. Everyone else roots for the Giants.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 01, 2007, 10:31:10 PM: How'd you come to this conclusion?
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 10:36:40 PM: BY LIVING IN NEW YORK AND SEEING THEIR HIDEOUS LIFESTYLES
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 01, 2007, 10:37:47 PM: NEW YORK CITY OR NEW YORK STATE
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2007, 10:38:40 PM: Jets are completely secondary. Paul Zimmerman says so, and not only is he older than Methuselah, but he was a Jets beat-writer back in the day.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 01, 2007, 10:39:19 PM: In my experience, they are secondary.

But I've never lived in MANHATTAN.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 10:39:45 PM: Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 01, 2007, 10:37:47 PM
NEW YORK CITY OR NEW YORK STATE

INSIDE THE CITY.

Jersey and outside the Big Apple might love the Giants, but Jets are INNER CITY TERRITORY.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 01, 2007, 10:40:38 PM: The Jets are from THE STREET.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 01, 2007, 10:46:28 PM: :lol
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2007, 12:47:20 AM: Quote from: Willco on December 01, 2007, 02:03:07 PM
How are they a "huge, important" NBA franchise? Because they're based in New York? Just because they're in New York, doesn't mean we need to sit through endless coverage of their mediocrity. And to say that Los Angeles doesn't have the media that New York has is just speaking out of your not-black ass again. The only difference between the Lakers and the Knicks is that the Knicks are a cultural institution for New Yorkers and the Lakers have actually won meaningful games in the past ten years.

Um, because they are one of the biggest and most important franchises in NBA history, despite the current situation. Same with Boston although of course, "they're back" (don't believe the hype!). What else is the media empire that is New York city going to talk about, outside of the meh Giants - now that the Yankees stories are kind of slowing down? And that may be an understatement because the Yankees are still getting a lot of off season press due to the A-God talk. Bottom line, NY covers the shit out of everything, no matter how shitty it is

NY media is a beast of its own. LA hasn't had much to talk about lately, unless we count the various Kobe soap operas (Kobe kicking Shaq to the curb, Kobe raping white women, Kobe bitching because he can't win games with "his" team, Kobe being Kobe, etc). I'd rather hear about the alleged dirt Starbury has on Zeke :ninja
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 02, 2007, 12:58:19 AM: Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2007, 12:47:20 AM
And that may be an understatement because the Yankees are still getting a lot of off season press due to the A-God talk.

You're kinda behind on that.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2007, 12:59:56 AM: No shit!

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Post by: thekavorka on December 02, 2007, 03:10:52 AM: Jets are definitely 2nd class citizens in New York.

there's a reason it's called GIANTS Stadium
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 02, 2007, 03:31:00 AM: Quote from: thekavorka on December 02, 2007, 03:10:52 AM
there's a reason it's called GIANTS Stadium

:bow
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 02, 2007, 03:38:40 AM: Hey Blue, I heard the Giants lost by a lot of runs last week.
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 02, 2007, 04:07:57 AM: Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 02, 2007, 03:38:40 AM
Hey Blue, I heard the Giants lost by a lot of runs last week.

:-\

LOW BLOW MOFA FUGGA

Eli is still going through puberty, cut him some slack! Ch-ch-ch-changes!
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Post by: Flannel Boy on December 02, 2007, 04:20:06 AM: Quote from: BlueTsunami on December 02, 2007, 04:07:57 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 02, 2007, 03:38:40 AM
Hey Blue, I heard the Giants lost by a lot of runs last week.

:-\

LOW BLOW MOFA FUGGA

Eli is still going through puberty, cut him some slack! Ch-ch-ch-changes!
No excuse! his brother won the Superbowl even though he's still going through fetal development!
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2007, 04:26:07 AM: There's such an insane love/hate thing with Eli. The NY media is like a double headed Bill Walton dragon: hyperbolic to the max, changing opinions based on immediate goals.

"Oh Eli passed for 2 touchdowns, he's looking amazing - Peyton look out"

"wtf Eli, 2 INTs. worse QB I've ever seen. If his name was Eli Baxter he'd be on the bench!"
Title: Re: Someone explain to me the media's fascination with the Knicks?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2007, 04:37:40 AM: Eli would be on the bench by now if he had a different last name. He's a decent backup quarterback - a Brad Johnson type QB. Not bad, not good and definitely not a franchise quarterback. Sooner the Giants realize this, the better off everyone will be.
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Post by: Mandark on December 02, 2007, 04:57:58 AM: I like Brad Johnson. I watched for Brad Johnson. I rooted for Brad Johnson.

Eli Manning is no Brad Johnson.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2007, 11:27:45 AM: :lol