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Title: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:16:29 AM
Has anyone checked this out before?  I haven't read the script yet, but his notes are at the end of it, and it's interesting to read about things like how much extras would have cost for the movie, and just how big he planned the battle scenes to be (he wanted 15k extras minimum for the battles).  In his notes he also talks about scouting for locations across Europe, and he mentions some considerations you wouldn't expect to have been addressed at such a date far from the planned production.

It has to be a nightmare to budget these things.  In one country, it was going to cost like 2 dollars per head for a soldier in a battle scene, and in another it would be 5 dollars  It's like shit.

The script and notes I have were first drafted in 1969, and apparently some of the notes at the end date from the early 70s.  Kubrick talked about making this movie up until around the time FMJ released, at which point I guess he figured it was never going to happen because he got to old.  Apparently, in the early 70s, Jack Nicholson was his pick to play Napoleon, too, which I think is a FUCK AWESOME casting choice.

I dunno.  It's interesting to read about this.  Kubrick wanted to make this movie for like 20 years, and he never got the opportunity to do so.  I'm kind of surprised that nobody has ever tried to buy the rights to the script, since it's probably his most famous unmade movie, and the script is totally cooked.  I guess those extra prices from 1969 are a lot higher today though, and god knows audiences are too dumb these days to be interested in a movie about Napoleon.

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Most famously, he never filmed his much-researched biopic of Napoleon (Bonaparte) I of France, which was originally to star Jack Nicholson as Napoleon after Kubrick saw him in Easy Rider. Kubrick and Nicholson eventually worked together on The Shining. After years of preproduction, the movie was set aside indefinitely in favor of more economically feasible projects. As late as 1987, Kubrick stated that he had not given up on the project, mentioning that he had read almost 500 books on the historical figure. He was convinced that a film worthy of the subject had not yet appeared.


Napoleon
After the success of 2001 Kubrick planned a large-scale biopic of Napoleon Bonaparte. He did much research, read books about the French Emperor, and wrote a preliminary screenplay. With assistants, he meticulously created a card-catalogue of the places and deeds of Napoleon's inner circle during its operative years. Kubrick scouted locations, planning to film large portions of the story in the historical places where Napoleon's life occurred.

In notes to his financial backers, preserved in The Kubrick Archives, Kubrick told them he was unsure how his Napoleon film would turn out, but that he expected to create 'the best movie ever made.' Ultimately, the project was cancelled for three reasons: (i) the prohibitive costliness of location filming; (ii) the release, in the West, of Sergei Bondarchuk's epic film version of Leo Tolstoy's novel War and Peace (1968), and (iii) the commercial failure of Bondarchuk's Napoleon-themed film Waterloo (1970). Stanley Kubrick's screenplay for this film has been published on the Internet. Much of his historical research would influence Barry Lyndon (1975), set in the late eighteenth century, just before Napoleon's wars.

How could somebody not have picked up this script?  Kubrick wrote gold, and he did this one all by himself.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 05, 2007, 01:18:04 AM
battle scenes are a lot easier to do these days.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:27:51 AM
I dunno.  Is Kubrick's estate touchy about selling off his incomplete projects?  There's a complete script for the Aryan Papers, too.  That's TWO COMPLETE SCRIPTS by one of the best filmmakers ever.  That's two more pseudo-Kubricks we could have, and let's face it, they'd HAVE to be better than AI.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 05, 2007, 01:28:47 AM
As long as spielberg doesnt touch them. Although I thought A.I was decent.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 05, 2007, 01:29:43 AM
The A&E Napoleon mini-series is great. I have it on DVD.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2007, 01:32:05 AM
You're all a bunch of denis580's.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:33:30 AM
As long as spielberg doesnt touch them. Although I thought A.I was decent.

I like AI, too, for the most part.  For Spielberg scifi, I kinda like Minority Report better, though.

Aryan Papers is a Holocaust jewy thing, so it would be right up Spielberg's alley.  It looks like Schindler's List is one of the reasons Kubrick didn't go through with it.  They would have been in production around the same time.

I don't know what that means, Mandark.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 01:37:13 AM
AI is a 7/10 type film for me. I saw it in the theaters and liked it at the time, for the most part; even then the ending was rather unnecessary to me. I watched a third of the film about 3 months ago and was surprised at how average it was.

I've seen 3 Kubrick films from beginning to end - Spartacus, A Clockwork Orange, and Paths of Glory. I liked two of those
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:39:31 AM
I don't even want to know which one of those you didn't like.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 01:41:16 AM
You know you want it





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A Clockwork Orange: 9/10
Spartacus: 9/10
Paths of Glory: 5/10
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Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:44:59 AM
Figures that PD likes the homoerotic movie, and the one where you see Malcolm McDowell's goods, but not the anti-war movie!
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 01:49:01 AM
i don't like white dicks though
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:52:16 AM
I'm sure you'll take whatever you could get at this point.  What about that big ol' dick from the Caligula Imperial Bordello scene that's getting the honkin' hornjob from the two slutty senators' wives?
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 05, 2007, 01:54:59 AM
Making a movie about Napoleon sounds COMPLEX!

Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 01:57:14 AM
It could have been Danny DeVito's masterpiece  :-\
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: bagofeyes on December 05, 2007, 01:59:08 AM
I'm riding the codeine wave of pabulon ace cold medicine
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2007, 02:07:03 AM
Making a movie about Napoleon sounds COMPLEX!

I get jokes!
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 02:08:27 AM
I DON'T GET ANYTHING!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 05, 2007, 02:08:58 AM
napoleon complex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 02:11:11 AM
That was a pretty gay joke, even for a philosophy major.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 05, 2007, 02:11:59 AM
The fact that I figured it out isnt very flattering, im pretty slow on teh witty jokes.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 02:14:09 AM
I don't know about your Napoleon jokes.  When I think of Napoleon, I think of Jack Nicholson, letting Roman Polanski rape chicks at his house, and sitting under glass coffee tables as he pays high priced Hollywood hookers to shit on top of it.  And Kathy Bates's titties.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: bagofeyes on December 05, 2007, 02:15:04 AM
Making a movie about Napoleon sounds COMPLEX!

I get jokes!

 :lol
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 05, 2007, 02:16:06 AM
Napoleon wasn't that bad a dude tho :(
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 02:17:18 AM
I'm 6'3, that went under over my head
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 02:20:00 AM
Superbad is pretty funny so far.  Not quite sure if it was worth the HD purchase since it has the production values of like, an episode of Freaks and Geeks.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 05, 2007, 02:21:54 AM
its like HD Freaks n Geeks tho!
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 02:22:37 AM
Jack Nicholson would have made an awesome Napoleon.  You know who would make a shitty Napoleon?  Heath Ledger.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 05, 2007, 02:23:20 AM
you need to watch A&E's Napoleon mini-series, its teh awesome
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 02:24:32 AM
I don't know about your Napoleon jokes.  When I think of Napoleon, I think of Jack Nicholson, letting Roman Polanski rape chicks at his house, and sitting under glass coffee tables as he pays high priced Hollywood hookers to shit on top of it.  And Kathy Bates's titties.

Is that true?  :lol

if there was no smell involved...
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: drozmight on December 05, 2007, 06:05:08 AM
For some reason, I feel that if given the opportunity to be placed in a sealed glass box and dropped into raw sewage, I'd probably do it.



It'd be too strange a thing to pass up.



...and because it'll be hilarious when the box shatters and I drown in bunch of poop.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Gay Boy on December 05, 2007, 08:05:10 AM
Eh I dunno if  it's fair to blame spielberg for all of AI's problems. A issues people have with it (the ending) was all Kubrick.

And didnt Kubrick storyboard the entire thing?
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Tauntaun on December 05, 2007, 01:32:50 PM
A napoleon movie of this sort would pwn, get Gibson to do it but make sure he just directs and doesn't act in it. 

Also,
Jack Nicholson would have made an awesome Napoleon.  You know who would make a shitty Napoleon?  Heath Ledger.

 :maf  Screw you man!  :-*
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 01:45:02 PM
Eh I dunno if  it's fair to blame spielberg for all of AI's problems. A issues people have with it (the ending) was all Kubrick.

And didnt Kubrick storyboard the entire thing?

I've heard that the ending was the most Kubrick thing about the movie, but something tells me he had something else in mind for it.  I mean, it's not a very Kubrick-y ending.  It's sad in that heartwarming, sentimental, Spielbergian way, but with a few degrees of tonal change, I can see it be cynical and a kick in the nuts in the Kubrick sense.  Maybe the ending was all Kubrick, but I doubt he would have gone for an ending with a Spielbergian glow.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 05, 2007, 01:50:24 PM
The more I think about a Krubrick Napoleon movie the more it's grows on me.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 02:05:05 PM
[youtube=425,350]8k6GcN9Bc6s[/youtube]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8k6GcN9Bc6s

Interesting interviews. Seems like youtube took down the video where Spielberg talks about AI. He basically says that the ending was entirely Kubrick's idea (the fairy, aliens, etc)
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Himu on December 05, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
WATCH BARRY LYNDON RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Gay Boy on December 05, 2007, 02:11:54 PM
[youtube=425,350]8k6GcN9Bc6s[/youtube]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8k6GcN9Bc6s

Interesting interviews. Seems like youtube took down the video where Spielberg talks about AI. He basically says that the ending was entirely Kubrick's idea (the fairy, aliens, etc)
I've seen Spielberg talk about Kubrick and AI a lot before. He likes to talk about how Kubrick faxed him endless  pages in the middle of the night of what to do.

Spielberg has said he tried to restrict his own style and vision when directing it, which is oddly one of the films faults. AI is a mashup of Kubrick and Spielberg. It would have worked best as pure Kubrick or pure Spielberg
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 02:40:10 PM
Interesting interviews. Seems like youtube took down the video where Spielberg talks about AI. He basically says that the ending was entirely Kubrick's idea (the fairy, aliens, etc)

Like I said, Kubrick may have come up with that ending, but he wouldn't have been aiming for the schmaltziness Spielberg gave us.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Gay Boy on December 05, 2007, 02:53:44 PM
I wonder if he didn't die (he wasn't THAT old, 70 is less than average) if the film would have been a "classic" with him directing.

My local art theater has been doing a Kubrick series with them playing a Kubrick movie each week on the big screen, they included AI with all the others interestingly.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 02:58:32 PM
I wonder if he didn't die (he wasn't THAT old, 70 is less than average) if the film would have been a "classic" with him directing.

My local art theater has been doing a Kubrick series with them playing a Kubrick movie each week on the big screen, they included AI with all the others interestingly.

omg where.
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 02:59:24 PM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: I am checking out Kubrick's Napoleon script
Post by: Gay Boy on December 05, 2007, 03:08:21 PM
I wonder if he didn't die (he wasn't THAT old, 70 is less than average) if the film would have been a "classic" with him directing.

My local art theater has been doing a Kubrick series with them playing a Kubrick movie each week on the big screen, they included AI with all the others interestingly.

omg where.
I told you about it when it started I thought, Downtown Ann Arbor's theater. Every monday at 4 they have played a Kubrick movie. Every single one in chronological order, this monday was the end of it with AI. Last week was Eyes Wide Shut..etc.

Edit: nm THIS week was Eyes, next week is AI.

 SCHEDULE:
The Killing (1956)    September 17
Paths of Glory (1950)    September 24
Lolita (1961)    October 1
Dr. Strangelove (1963)    October 8
Spartacus (1960)    October 22
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)    October 29
Barry Lyndon (1975)    November 5
A Clockwork Orange (1971)    November 12
The Shining (1980)    November 19
Full Metal Jacket (1987)    November 26
Eyes Wide Shut (1999)    December 3
Artificial Intelligence (2001)    December 10