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Title: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2007, 05:35:48 PM
Vista has left me so soured on Windows that I'm actually contemplating switching to Leopard.

Tell me why this is a stupid idea and I should just go with XP SP3 instead!
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2007, 05:39:34 PM
I just hate that Vista takes like 2 minutes to unzip a 300 KB RAR file. Every file handling operation seems to be repeated seven times.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: bluemax on December 05, 2007, 05:49:04 PM
What do you normally do with your Windows machine? If you're using it for things like programming/software development and gaming then OS X isn't for you. If you're using it for browsing the internet, watching videos and listening to music you can probably survive in an OS X environment.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: enjoy bell woods on December 05, 2007, 05:50:22 PM
Get one.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Rman on December 05, 2007, 05:50:48 PM
I've used Macs for a while and and it depends on your priorities.  If you are a big PC gamer I would say no.  For basic computing their pretty solid.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Rman on December 05, 2007, 05:52:21 PM
What type of mac are you looking into, Patel?  Their laptops or desktops?
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 05:53:03 PM
You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 05, 2007, 05:56:12 PM
You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: abrader on December 05, 2007, 05:58:17 PM
No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 05, 2007, 05:58:32 PM
One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

I think that would actually RAISE it's value!
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 06:00:08 PM
You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 05, 2007, 06:03:11 PM
No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Why would anyone need a Blu-ray burner?  If you need to backup data a lot, a portable HD makes much more sense.  Backing stuff up to BD means you can only use that data on another computer with a BD drive, which is unlikely in 2008. 

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

Pentium M is the same as Centrino, right?  That was a very good labtop processor for its time. 
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 06:06:08 PM
No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Why would anyone need a Blu-ray burner?  If you need to backup data a lot, a portable HD makes much more sense.  Backing stuff up to BD means you can only use that data on another computer with a BD drive, which is unlikely in 2008. 

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

Pentium M is the same as Centrino, right?  That was a very good labtop processor for its time. 

Yeah.  Pentium Ms are based off the P3 design.  Pentium 4 was kind of a bust, so Intel kinda ended up going back to the P3 design to build their next gen processors.  The Core Duo and Core 2 Duo lines are both based off Pentium M, and are thus successors to the P3, not the P4.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 05, 2007, 06:10:48 PM
No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Why would anyone need a Blu-ray burner?  If you need to backup data a lot, a portable HD makes much more sense.  Backing stuff up to BD means you can only use that data on another computer with a BD drive, which is unlikely in 2008. 

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

Pentium M is the same as Centrino, right?  That was a very good labtop processor for its time. 

Yeah.  Pentium Ms are based off the P3 design.  Pentium 4 was kind of a bust, so Intel kinda ended up going back to the P3 design to build their next gen processors.  The Core Duo and Core 2 Duo lines are both based off Pentium M, and are thus successors to the P3, not the P4.

I remember how some people start using Centrinos for their desktops because they were better gaming PCs than P4s. 
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 06:14:17 PM
I had a 2.8Ghz pentium 4 desktop, and no lie, I wouldn't have to turn heat on in the winter when I was using that thing.  It kept the area around the computer desk warm.

I now have a quad core 3.0Ghz machine in the same place, and the computer case is cool, lol.  It used to put off heat when I had the 1950, but it's generally always cool with the 8800 GTS in there.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 05, 2007, 06:32:17 PM
I had a 2.8Ghz pentium 4 desktop, and no lie, I wouldn't have to turn heat on in the winter when I was using that thing.  It kept the area around the computer desk warm.

I now have a quad core 3.0Ghz machine in the same place, and the computer case is cool, lol.  It used to put off heat when I had the 1950, but it's generally always cool with the 8800 GTS in there.


What kind of case are you using?  You have two power supplies, right? 
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 06:40:40 PM
I had a 2.8Ghz pentium 4 desktop, and no lie, I wouldn't have to turn heat on in the winter when I was using that thing.  It kept the area around the computer desk warm.

I now have a quad core 3.0Ghz machine in the same place, and the computer case is cool, lol.  It used to put off heat when I had the 1950, but it's generally always cool with the 8800 GTS in there.


What kind of case are you using?  You have two power supplies, right? 

(http://www.sykesstudio31.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/mac_pro.208205836_std.jpg)
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 05, 2007, 06:49:18 PM
Nice.  Do they sell that apple case by itself anywhere? 


What do you think of this?

(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-119-136-17.jpg)

I'm going to get a case upgrade in the next year, something fancy in the $200 to $300 range.  Don't have the funds for it right now. 
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Rman on December 05, 2007, 06:57:24 PM
Nice.  Do they sell that apple case by itself anywhere? 


What do you think of this?



I'm going to get a case upgrade in the next year, something fancy in the $200 to $300 range.  Don't have the funds for it right now. 

You might be able to find some knock offs.  This case is pretty stylish as well.

(http://www.maximumpc.com/sites/future.p2technology.com/files/imce-images/DM07_tower.jpg)
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 05, 2007, 07:29:19 PM
you know how i know you're gay? you want to buy a mac!

edit: goddamit, i keep forgetting I OWN A MAC. who's up for some rough dumpster mansex?
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2007, 07:36:06 PM
you know how i know you're gay? you want to buy a mac!

edit: goddamit, i keep forgetting I OWN A MAC. who's up for some rough dumpster mansex?

You know how I know you work for MS?  You're a vista shill lol.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 05, 2007, 08:01:13 PM
(http://indarktrees.com/pics/invoice.JPG)

(I ended up going down to 2 gigs of RAM and bumping up the GPU)
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2007, 08:03:08 PM
why would anyone willingly buy apple products?
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: bork on December 05, 2007, 08:07:47 PM
I'm likely going back to Mac for my next computer.  I was always Apple before my current PC, an Alienware laptop, but I'm growing tired of the constant Windows crashing (recently I have been having a problem where the PC will crash and reset several times after turning it on, but I get the feeling this is somehow related to my external hard drive) and the computer overheating, and I don't really care about PC gaming.  Plus there's Boot Camp anyway.

I like those new iMacs.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Rman on December 05, 2007, 08:15:22 PM
why would anyone willingly buy apple products?

Please let us not turn this into that type thread now.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: bork on December 05, 2007, 09:48:52 PM
SEXY

(http://images.apple.com/imac/images/gallery/imackeyboard_3_20071026.jpg)
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: drozmight on December 06, 2007, 03:59:12 AM
5 grand? holy shit.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: brawndolicious on December 06, 2007, 04:12:32 AM
why don't you just assemble the PC and buy leopard?  I heard that the same exact parts in a Mac are usually 1.5 times more expensive than the competition (most manufacturers do a 2 times markup and Apple does a 3 times markup).  you can just buy the screen, keyboard, and probably even case seperate if you like them.

I personally am not in love with iMacs cause they tend to crash more often (I'm of course talking about school computers connected to a server though).  I think you'd be better off with going to XP SP3 since you're used to it.  If you have a lot of Apple products and an iMac will somehow improve your living standard, maybe you should go to it.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Kyle on December 06, 2007, 07:39:20 AM
OVER 5 THOUSAND!!!  :-X
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Tauntaun on December 06, 2007, 11:30:51 AM
(http://indarktrees.com/pics/invoice.JPG)

(I ended up going down to 2 gigs of RAM and bumping up the GPU)

5 G's?  :-X  Or you could get all that and MOAR for under $1500 by building your own.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 06, 2007, 11:39:17 AM
Lrn2Windows lol.

Seriously tho, dunno why people get all uppity over stupid crap. Course most people who get upset arent pc gamers.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2007, 11:40:52 AM
Wasn't there a story a few weeks ago about how Vista runs better on a mac then on a PC.

Also, slick computer TVC, you could edit real-time HD with that.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: TVC15 on December 06, 2007, 01:46:49 PM
I heard that the same exact parts in a Mac are usually 1.5 times more expensive than the competition (most manufacturers do a 2 times markup and Apple does a 3 times markup).

Not true.  Each of the 2 processors in my Mac Pro cost over 2k each when I built the machine.  Going by parts, the Mac Pro was probably between 1-2K below market price.  The Macs being overpriced thing isn't true, nor has it been true for at least several years.
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: T234 on December 06, 2007, 01:51:49 PM
After two weeks of PC-BSD, I can safely say I am now a Windows Man. 
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Tauntaun on December 06, 2007, 01:59:49 PM
(http://pic.dawnbox.com/files/vegeta-9000.png)

IT'S OVER 5000!!
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2007, 02:28:24 PM
Wasn't there a story a few weeks ago about how Vista runs better on a mac then on a PC.


that would be a stupid story, because their hardware configurations are identical save that a high-end pc currently has more performant parts than a high-end mac
Title: Re: talk me out of buying a Mac
Post by: brawndolicious on December 06, 2007, 07:58:05 PM
I heard that the same exact parts in a Mac are usually 1.5 times more expensive than the competition (most manufacturers do a 2 times markup and Apple does a 3 times markup).
Not true.  Each of the 2 processors in my Mac Pro cost over 2k each when I built the machine.  Going by parts, the Mac Pro was probably between 1-2K below market price.  The Macs being overpriced thing isn't true, nor has it been true for at least several years.
ah, didn't know that.  maybe I'm thinking about their iPod business.  I just know somebody said it somewhere about some Apple hardware.