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Title: People and rap music.
Post by: Shuri on December 10, 2007, 11:13:36 PM
It's weird how people act sometimes.

In the past week or so; I've been listening to old school wu classics and various solo efforts by the members while working on stuff; and as some people may know; MSN will show whatever media player is playing right now to your friend list, so I had all the tracks from GZA's Liquid Sword playing one after the other. I've got a wild range of taste in music, the week before I was totally immersed in trance, the week before, it was oldschool trip-hop, and I even got deep into those cheesy 'emo rock + '80 electroc' bands just because I wanted to discover what the hype was about and to hear new sounds and stuff.

In my circle of friend, I'm the 'music fan'. But ever since I started my descent into the wu-tang clan extended biography, I've gotten tons of distinguished mentally-challenged comments from my real life friends over my selection of music. People being shocked at me listening to that kind of music, people making lots of underhanded racist references; tons of 'lol rap = crap' or people just wondering what the hell is wrong with me. I've never had so many comments about my music selection ever since I got into this.

I was always a big fan of rap music, not just as open about it as my other tastes. I'm not a wigger, I'm just a regular, non-nerd, tech white person that happens that kind of music a lot, without embracing the lifestyle at all. I wanna get into blue and jazz over the chrismas break.

What is it about rap music that gets other people so distinguished mentally-challenged about it? Is it the bad stereotypes and stigmas? Or is it really the whole racial 'white people should not be listening to rap music, it's for black people only!' thing? It's weird how disappointed I was at some people I know over how they acted over this thing.. It was easy to make them feel like distinguished mentally-challenged fellows over their comments, but still, eh.

It's weird.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Vizzys on December 10, 2007, 11:20:31 PM
I love rap

I'm white

no problems here. :)

[youtube=425,350]WejRRzizi00[/youtube]
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: tiesto on December 10, 2007, 11:31:09 PM
Personally, I think it more or less depends on how serious you take the lifestyle. Liking rap from a detached, suburban white standpoint, I can't see anything wrong with (as a matter of fact I enjoy quite a number of rap songs and I'm the quintessential suburban upper middle class whitey), but when these people act all hard and thuggish and try to copy the lifestyle, pretend they're from the streets when they're really from Smithtown and it's 95% white population, that's when I get annoyed :P
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 10, 2007, 11:31:28 PM
I dont get rap. Most of it is urban and I lived in the suburbs. I cant really relate to much of any of it. Course I like a few songs here and there if they are good natured and are something I can relate to on a basic level.

Bitches hos n cops n cruisin n whatever...wtf, I just dont get any of that.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Gay Boy on December 10, 2007, 11:53:31 PM
Quote from: Alexander Corvinus on December 10, 2007, 11:31:28 PM
I dont get rap. Most of it is urban and I lived in the suburbs. I cant really relate to much of any of it. Course I like a few songs here and there if they are good natured and are something I can relate to on a basic level.

Bitches hos n cops n cruisin n whatever...wtf, I just dont get any of that.
my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 12:01:08 AM
^ 2 whiteboys above me.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: demi on December 11, 2007, 12:11:19 AM
the only rap music you should listen to is Tech n9ne, that nicca is all about it
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Vizzys on December 11, 2007, 12:13:57 AM
demi reppin the midwest

tech n9ne :bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: TVC15 on December 11, 2007, 12:27:32 AM
I listen to Gyorgy Ligeti!  I'm smarter than ALL of you!
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 11, 2007, 12:28:45 AM
Quote from: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 12:01:08 AM
^ 2 whiteboys above me.

ooh dis
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: TVC15 on December 11, 2007, 12:29:50 AM
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Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 11, 2007, 12:33:37 AM
Ah Funk Master Grygory
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: TVC15 on December 11, 2007, 12:35:55 AM
He is making that face because it perfectly embodies the sublime sense of bloated self-importance and smartness you feel when you listen to his music.  Either that or he is making what the Hungarians call the "pleasant shits."
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2007, 12:38:29 AM
Quote from: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 12:01:08 AM
^ 2 whiteboys above me.
:lol
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 12:40:42 AM
From a black male's perspective, I sympathize with a lot of rap but that makes me even harder on it. I dunno why people would diss you for your tastes, but who cares, they suxx.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: TVC15 on December 11, 2007, 12:42:26 AM
Did you learn to try and order fast food from a drive thru window while on foot from rap music?
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 12:44:30 AM
no but it was my only option to eat food. they wouldn't let me in since they were closed. :(
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: TVC15 on December 11, 2007, 12:49:53 AM
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Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 11, 2007, 12:50:28 AM
trying to use the drive thru on foot is just sad for humanity
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Trent Dole on December 11, 2007, 12:52:59 AM
Wow, screw anyone that shits on Liquid Swords. Mainstream hip hop in general has become really mind numbingly terrible lately and just seems like some sort of weird social engineering thing to try and make minority type folks into complete idiots and all that, sure, but LS is fuck awesome.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 01:02:51 AM
Liquid Swords :bow

A lot of it has to do with the way rap is presented. MAF really attests to this idea that rap is just bitches n hoes, violence, crime, etc, ie stuff black people can apparently relate to more than anyone else. I'm not saying that MAF takes that exact position, but many people do. It's seen as simplistic "noise". Mainstream rap certainly doesn't help. Today mainstream rap is quite disposable. You listen to it at a party, have it as a ringtone, put it on your Myspace...but in 3 months you move on to the new hot thing, totally forgetting your previous favorites; why do you think so many rappers release albums every year? They can't afford to be forgotten. Disposable music

On this messageboard most people like music that isn't played on the radio or MTV. The "what are you listening to" and "albums of the year" threads both are filled with indie artists as well as artists who are rather unknown. Certainly no one here would dismiss modern rock as all three chord, no talent emo bastards. Rap isn't given the same benefit of the doubt. Instead of acknowledging that there is a huge amount of rap that isn't about bitches and hoes, some would rather pretend that it is to further minimize the genre



Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2007, 01:33:54 AM
Quote from: Alexander Corvinus on December 11, 2007, 12:50:28 AM
trying to use the drive thru on foot is just sad for humanity
When my family first moved into our new house, we spent so much time unpacking that we didn't even try to get food until after midnight. Everywhere was closed, so me and my father had to walk through the Burger King drive thru. :(
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 11, 2007, 01:42:09 AM
Lets just say all the rap that is put in front of me fits into that class, and for that reason I judge rap as I do. Why should I go explore the finer points of the rap universe of they decide to put a big plate of poop right in front of me.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 01:42:47 AM
Quote from: Beezy on December 11, 2007, 01:33:54 AM
Quote from: Alexander Corvinus on December 11, 2007, 12:50:28 AM
trying to use the drive thru on foot is just sad for humanity
When my family first moved into our new house, we spent so much time unpacking that we didn't even try to get food until after midnight. Everywhere was closed, so me and my father had to walk through the Burger King drive thru. :(

Pretty much. That shit is so gay.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 01:47:34 AM
Quote from: Alexander Corvinus on December 11, 2007, 01:42:09 AM
Lets just say all the rap that is put in front of me fits into that class, and for that reason I judge rap as I do. Why should I go explore the finer points of the rap universe of they decide to put a big plate of poop right in front of me.

Obviously you should do what you want. But at the same time imagine if some alien judged rock based on what he heard on the radio and saw on MTV. Yeah.. :-\
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: brawndolicious on December 11, 2007, 01:53:37 AM
I had to walk through a drive thru before.  It was late at night and I had no car but the people in the BK (I think it was a BK) were like "we're closed on the inside" when like a minute before I saw them let in 3 drunk college kids.  So I figured fuck it and I walked around and I saw a homeless guy (he had the clothes for it) also walking through the drive thru and I saw him spit on the back windshield of the car in front of him.  I was so shocked I suddenly stopped walking.  I then kept a 10 foot distance from him and my friends and I started talking about how that was a huge fucking spit.

As for rap music, I've never really cared for what other people think about my music tastes (although most people I know are neck deep in wigger/emo culture) so I do look for whatever artists I hear that I like.  A lot of the people I know are actually the opposite of what shuri talks about in that they try to act all hard and they tell me they'll "never like a rock song more than rap" and I laugh at them for sounding distinguished mentally-challenged.  I think they were actually being serious when they said that.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 01:55:19 AM
it's so fucking stupid. they say they don't let people in past 11 or whatever because of safety issues, when in reality, a car would be even more dangerous because they're fast. just shoot a mother fucker in the head and  ride off in to the night.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: The Sceneman on December 11, 2007, 01:55:49 AM
Rap is great
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: The Sceneman on December 11, 2007, 01:56:19 AM
Quote from: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 12:01:08 AM
^ 2 whiteboys above me.

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Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 11, 2007, 01:57:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 01:47:34 AM
Quote from: Alexander Corvinus on December 11, 2007, 01:42:09 AM
Lets just say all the rap that is put in front of me fits into that class, and for that reason I judge rap as I do. Why should I go explore the finer points of the rap universe of they decide to put a big plate of poop right in front of me.

Obviously you should do what you want. But at the same time imagine if some alien judged rock based on what he heard on the radio and saw on MTV. Yeah.. :-\

Its an alien wtf do I care! I FIGHT FOR EARTH!
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 01:59:22 AM
am nintenho: I find that many rap fans are some of the most close minded music listeners, which is kinda ironic considering so much rap samples other genres. There is this stupid idea that rap is "black" music, and therefore everything else must be "white" music. Which of course is laughable considering how many musical genres are rooted in African/African American origins.

I like all kind of music, from Fiona Apple to MF DOOM to Dio to Justice to Johnny Cash. 

Quote from: MAF
Its an alien wtf do I care! I FIGHT FOR EARTH!

I can't argue with this :bow

unless you missed the point..
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: brawndolicious on December 11, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 01:55:19 AM
it's so fucking stupid. they say they don't let people in past 11 or whatever because of safety issues, when in reality, a car would be even more dangerous because they're fast. just shoot a mother fucker in the head and  ride off in to the night.
it's for their safety, not yours.  why do you think they have 3 inches of bullet proof glass in some of those drive thru windows?

cause of spitting hobos.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 01:59:22 AM
am nintenho: I find that many rap fans are some of the most close minded music listeners, which is kinda ironic considering so much rap samples other genres. There is this stupid idea that rap is "black" music, and therefore everything else must be "white" music. Which of course is laughable considering how many musical genres are rooted in African/African American origins.
these people really don't know shit about music.  they think rap started with slim shady.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:01:04 AM
:lol maf

PD: lol yeah. the worse people are hip hop heads that ONLY LISTEN TO RAP goddamn

Quote from: am nintenho on December 11, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
it's for their safety, not yours.  why do you think they have 3 inches of bullet proof glass in some of those drive thru windows?

cause of spitting hobos.

haha have you ever heard of anyone actually tried to rob a mcdonalds or whatever before? i mean seriously
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:03:37 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 11, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
these people really don't know shit about music.  they think rap started with slim shady.

wrong. they think rap started with pac.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: The Sceneman on December 11, 2007, 02:04:47 AM
well Pac is fucken sweet
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:04:58 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 02:03:37 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 11, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
these people really don't know shit about music.  they think rap started with slim shady.

wrong. they think rap started with pac.

wrong. they think rap started with jay-z and nas  :lol

Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:06:03 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:04:58 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 02:03:37 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 11, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
these people really don't know shit about music.  they think rap started with slim shady.

wrong. they think rap started with pac.

wrong. they think rap started with jay-z and nas  :lol



most of these niccas don't know who nas is smh, and certainly not Illmatic.

PD: another observation. rap is the only music genre ever where the fans are so goddamn close minded and ignorant that they forget the music's history. All the other black music genres know their history, how come rap rarely acknowledges its history? You'll find tons of young white kids that love classic rock, but rare is it that you will find a young black person who feels 80's and early 90's rap. You, me, and a few others are a rarity.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: brawndolicious on December 11, 2007, 02:10:07 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 02:03:37 AM
wrong. they think rap started with pac.
actually you're right.
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 02:01:04 AM
haha have you ever heard of anyone actually tried to rob a mcdonalds or whatever before? i mean seriously
well they're not going to risk it for their jobs.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:12:03 AM
because most cats can't be damned to learn the genres roots:

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Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:14:29 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 02:06:03 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:04:58 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 02:03:37 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 11, 2007, 02:00:04 AM
these people really don't know shit about music.  they think rap started with slim shady.

wrong. they think rap started with pac.

wrong. they think rap started with jay-z and nas  :lol



most of these niccas don't know who nas is smh, and certainly not Illmatic.

PD: another observation. rap is the only music genre ever where the fans are so goddamn close minded and ignorant that they forget the music's history. All the other black music genres know their history, how come rap rarely acknowledges its history? You'll find tons of young white kids that love classic rock, but rare is it that you will find a young black person who feels 80's and early 90's rap. You, me, and a few others are a rarity.

Dude it's Jay-Z and Nas, they're this generation's Pac and Biggie it seems smh. And I respect both guys


You're 100% right though. New rock fans continue to discover artists like The Beatles and Zeppelin, becoming new fans. In rap you don't see kids looking up Rakim to see where their favorite rapper got the blueprint, or looking up Pete Rock's production to see the evolution of beats. Instead we have a group of "rap fans" who grew up with Eminem and moved to 50 Cent. They'll get into Tupac/Biggie eventually, but they don't go farther than that.

Where's the love for The Infamous, or 36 Chambers, etc? Rap is the ONLY genre where older artists become irrelevent once they get old. The Rolling Stones are the biggest band in the fucking world, and have gained millions of new fans while retaining millions of older ones. Run DMC, Rakim, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, and all the other rap legends could never come close to that success today because rap fans are more interested in what's the hot thing right now. Right now it's snap dances. 15 minutes ago it was colorful, shiny suits
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:16:50 AM
Word. These kids don't even listen to stuff like Tribe, and it pains me.

and lol @ pete rock example. ask any average modern rap fan who pete rock is and they won't know.

PETESTRUMENTALS DO YOU HAVE IT?

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Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
I understand some things are "outdated" today, and it's not hard to see why many kids wouldn't want to listen to Run DMC for instance; they're still crazy for being closed minded, but let's face it that sounds outdated to them. But where's the love for all the classic material that came out in the 90's, which is not outdated.

The idea of "classic" rap albums seems to help introduce the new generation to old classics. With the help of music downloading it's not hard for the average kid to look up The Low End Theory, The Infamous, Only Built for Cuban Linx, Illmatic, The Diary, etc. It pains me when I hear kids say Eminem and Jay-Z are "GOAT" candidates lol
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:24:50 AM
Once you get into Tribes territory, the line between 80's rap and 90's rap sound starts to fade.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:29:57 AM
PD: who can honestly say this sounds outdated  :-\

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I'm not the biggest 80's hip hop fan, because the beats usually don't do nothing for me, but once you get into late 80's - early 90's territory, it really becomes something special.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:34:39 AM
Oh I'm not saying it's outdated, just that it is to many younger fap rans.

The whole native tongues movement really bridged the gap between the 80s and 90s, in part as a response to the gangsta rap that began to dominate the early 90's rap scene.

Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory are both classics :bow

In terms of 80s production, there's lots of great stuff and some meh stuff. So much classic stuff though:
[youtube=425,350]KBTWvLL_qOY[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]9uPlIaF65PM[/youtube]

Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:39:00 AM
I'm ashamed to admit I'm not well versed on Big Daddy Kane.

Public Enemy beats were always great to me.

I'm quite fond of *some* early 80's hip hop beat. The Message's beat is fucking CLASSIC, and was my ringtone for a goddamn year.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 02:44:13 AM
Kane is pretty awesome. Rakim was the king of the 80s imo but Kane was no slouch

Big L and Kane  :o
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=cepDZoaC2NA
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 02:45:29 AM
I've heard Jay Z totally rips off Kane's style.

BIG L :bow :bow :bow RIP

Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 03:01:39 AM
Jay rips off lots of people in terms of lyrics, but when it comes to flow he's almost untouchable. Reasonable Doubt is classic (but nowhere near Illmatic), The Blueprint is classic. But Jay is still too damn pretentious for me. He's far too concerned with his status, and is doing everything he can to be called "the greatest". The thing I hate is that when Jay says something, everyone starts saying it. So if Jay says buy this, people buy it; if Jay says he's the best, people believe it.

There's a difference between paying homage to other people's classic lyrics and straight up stealing. His latest target: Eminem

[youtube=425,350]4KKphp8l4hU[/youtube]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KKphp8l4hU
(beginning of first verse)

That's pretty laughable. But the funny thing is, it's still a good song. But the problem is that many young kids today listen to Jay and credit him for all the stuff he jacks ("it's hard to yell when the barrel is in ya mouth...").


[youtube=425,350]bED9wMqQ1i8[/youtube]
sooo much stuff  :lol
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 03:10:50 AM
First Biggie's ya man
then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
Dick sucking lips
why not you let the late, great veteran live

DAT ETHER. DA SHIT THAT MAKES YOUR SOUL BURN SLOW

Ha, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick
J.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quick
Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick
Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick
So little shorty's getting gunned up and clapped quick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
You pop shit, apologize, nicca, just ask Kiss
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 03:13:43 AM
:bow

Blueprint or Stillmatic?  :o
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 03:19:16 AM
i'm not that big on stillmatic. it's good but but a lot of the songs content don't interest me. Plus, dissing peeps like Cormega kinda puts NaS in a bad light. Stillmatic is the album when he basically betrays every fucker who respects him lol
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 03:21:51 AM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 03:19:16 AM
i'm not that big on stillmatic. it's good but but a lot of the songs content don't interest me. Plus, dissing peeps like Cormega kinda puts NaS in a bad light. Stillmatic is the album when he basically betrays every fucker who respects him lol

As I said on OA it has a lot of great material, but also some VERY meh songs. Smokin and Your Da Man...eh. Destroy and Rebuild is also meh.

-Intro
-Ether
-Got Yourself A Gun
-Rewind
-One Mic
-2nd Childhood  :o :o
-The Flyest
-What Goes Around
:bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 03:36:47 AM
WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND MY nicca. WHAT COMES UP MUST COME DOWN MY nicca :bow

I do what I can do when I can do it
Feel how I feel when I feel what I'm feelin
Live how I live it's only cause I been through it
Learn to try it like to eat it and shit it's nuttin to it
Burn it light it weed it and off the liquor, while drivin outside
I'll never catch a vehicular homicide
My music is a description of my vibe of course
My life, my sites, my thoughts, what I like on my fork
Cause you are what you eat, you eat what you can
You pray to bless the food but first you wash your hands
to wash away them bad spirits, don't bring it in your home

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 04:22:54 AM
Junior high school dropout, teachers never cared
They was paid just to show up and leave, no one succeeds
So he moves with his peers, different blocks, different years
Sittin on different benches like its musical chairs

:bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 06:29:34 AM
^ 2 homeboys above me.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: tiesto on December 11, 2007, 09:17:23 AM
EPMD's got my favorite oldskool hiphop beats.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Takuan on December 11, 2007, 10:48:32 AM
"And if you need 'em I've got crazy prophylactics."

:bow :bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 11:51:33 AM
Ok let's get serious up in this bitch.

I discovered rap in middle school. I found out that I loved the whole gangsta rap attitude in the music. For me, it has always been about the beat/melody and the delivery of the lines. I don't care what the lyrics are about, I almost never did with any genre of music I listen to. And to be honest, I can barely understand half of it. Understand as in 'I can't hear what they say'. Of course I started with 2pac like everybody else. Still consider him as the best rapper of all time and listen to it occassionally. Later on I was more into the New York sound of rap. Ruff Ryders became one of my favorites because of Lox's catchy beats. I always saw Nas as one of the top 5 greatest rappers of all time. I am... was such a perfect album for me, but it's weird how no one really likes that one. They always mention Illmatic or whatever, that album didn't do much to me. I'm really not into all too lyrical albums and that's why I dislike underground rap. Although there are some great ones inbetween like Atmosphere.

There's anothing thing that I really loved but realized how everybody hated it, and that's No Limit and Cash Money Records. Yeah, they are a bunch of jokers and fake-gangsters but their beats were awesome. Mystikal, Kane&Abel, C-Murder, Mr Magic, Mannie Fresh, Baby, BG, Lil Wayne, Juvenile....I loved the way these guy sounded. No Limit was different, their beats were very melodic and eerie most of the time. I think that's what interested me the most about them. For Cash Money it was those fast percussion(?) taps on the background. I'm not sure if I used the right word here.
Capone N Noreaga were also great with their The Reunion album. I started to hate Noreaga after Capone went to jail and he had his whole silly solo-career with goofy songs using silly catchphrases the entire damn time.
And then there is Eminem of course, may be my favorite one of the bunch. This whole story I've been writing isn't in a very chronological way and I'm missing out on a lot, but Eminem was one my first. He went downhill after 8 Mile. But goddamn, I listened to The Marshal Mathers LP and The Eminem Show soooooo much.

Quote from: Himuro
PD: another observation. rap is the only music genre ever where the fans are so goddamn close minded and ignorant that they forget the music's history. All the other black music genres know their history, how come rap rarely acknowledges its history? You'll find tons of young white kids that love classic rock, but rare is it that you will find a young black person who feels 80's and early 90's rap. You, me, and a few others are a rarity.

Yup, I discovered this too. While I could appreciate rap from every era, most guys listened to the current albums. I remember one time when I was at my nephew's place and dl'ed Straight Outta Compton for him. He listened to it for 20 seconds and bursted out 'this fucking sucks'. The rage I felt at that moment was so big. And he listened to shit like Fabolous and Lil Zane :lol


Nowadays 2pac, Mobb Deep and Nas are pretty much the only rap I ever listen to. I grew out of the genre and am into Metal.

Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 04:22:54 AM
Junior high school dropout, teachers never cared
They was paid just to show up and leave, no one succeeds
So he moves with his peers, different blocks, different years
Sittin on different benches like its musical chairs

:bow

sometimes i sit back with a buddha sack
mind's in another world thinking how can we exist through the facts
written in school text books, bibles, etcetera
fuck a school lecture, the lies get me vexed-a

:bow :bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 11:51:33 AM
Yup, I discovered this too. While I could appreciate rap from every era, most guys listened to the current albums. I remember one time when I was at my nephew's place and dl'ed Straight Outta Compton for him. He listened to it for 20 seconds and bursted out 'this fucking sucks'. The rage I felt at that moment was so big. And he listened to shit like Fabolous and Lil Zane :lol



Fab and Lil Zane are fruits
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
Lil Zane :lol

The first rap song I liked was Gangsta's Paradise, which my dad would play for me and be like "see, being a gangster isn't a good idea. Stay in school nicca." Outside of that my parents weren't fond of me listening to any modern "worldly" music at the time, so I wound up sneeking the radio into my room and listening to soft rock/pop till I fell asleep. Later a friend introduced me to Britney Spears and Eminem, both of whom I loved. This was like in 1999. Later I fell in love with the Marshall Mathers LP, which is an undeniable classic as far as I'm concerned.

But the first time I really fell in love with rap is when I heard Tupac for the first time. I was in Ohio with my AAU basketball team, and everyone had walkmans and CDs except me. So while one of my teammates was sleep I stole his walkman and listened to the first disk of Until the End of Time. At the time I didn't know it was a posthumous release, I just liked what I heard. That first disk has some definite bangers on it, and I was most impressed with Lil Homies at the time lol. Later I wound up exploring Tupac more, and I also consider him to be the greatest rapper of all time. And it's not that he was the greatest lyricist or rapper, but he was the greatest rap artist by far. He forced the establishment to look at rap as art.

For awhile I was heavily into the gangsta posturing of mainstream rap. An older friend of mine who was on the varsity basketball team (I was JV) would drive me home from practice, and he had tons of rap CDs. So he introduced me to DMX, Nelly, Bone Thugs, and everything else that was popular at the time. In fact my tastes didn't really change until I heard Kanye West in 2003; while some critisize him, he definitely introduced me to artists like Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Dilated Peaples, etc - for which I'm greatful lol. After that the dam essentially broke as I went back and explored the roots of the genre. Even to this day I'm still looking up classic albums, trying to digest as much as I can. I heard The Imfamous and 36 Chambers for the first time this year; I had heard singles like Shook Ones before, but never the entire album.

Now I'm into a lot of underground, "backpack" stuff like Brother Ali and Atmosphere as well as underground alternative stuff like MF DOOM. And I can still bounce my head to TI when in the mood :p
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 01:55:49 PM
That second paragraph is my story exactly. First Pac album I listened to was Until The End Of Time.

Also Bone Thugs  :bow
How could I forget.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: hyp on December 11, 2007, 02:06:32 PM
hiphop just gets a bad "rap" in general.  most people associate the music with materialism, sex, and  living a thug life.  there's a lot more beneath the surface though.  many of my favorite artists aren't even black and there's a whole subculture of socially conscious, abstract and intellectual rappers who offer something to those that aren't into that cash money thug shit. but the hiphop stereotype is too strong for people to even think that there could be anything of value or substance in the culture.  you can thank popular culture and its shittastic artists for that.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: tiesto on December 11, 2007, 03:34:26 PM
I always had a rather shallow view of rap (that it was unmusical, annoying, promoted thug life) up until 10th or 11th grade or so.. then a friend let me borrow Wu-Tang Forever and I'm like "wow, this is pretty good!" Since then, I keep up with the stuff, just don't follow it with the same zeal I do EDM.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 03:47:41 PM
Remember a time when hip hop used to be POSITIVE? Yeah. :(
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: demi on December 11, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
(http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drg100/g172/g17224a1lsg.jpg)

straight thuggin
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 03:53:10 PM
Positive Contact
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: drew on December 11, 2007, 03:53:51 PM
I fell in love with rap this past summer when I downloaded the drought 3 after I saw it was album of the month in vice magazine.

It's a "guilty" pleasure I guess, not really guilty, but you won't see me at stop signs blasting it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RTBmAfYzJPc  (this is his new stuff which I fiercely look forward to and I can't figure out how to embed youtube videos)
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: hyp on December 11, 2007, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: demi on December 11, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
(http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/drg100/g172/g17224a1lsg.jpg)

straight thuggin

:bow

i can hear the sample playin' in my head.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Vizzys on December 11, 2007, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: Powerslave on December 11, 2007, 03:53:10 PM
Positive Contact

Deltron Z

:bow
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: demi on December 11, 2007, 07:38:28 PM
[youtube=425,350]gl9m-NC0VGE[/youtube]

:thug
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2007, 08:16:58 PM
It is because if I listen to the local hip-hop station, it will be only commercial crap and there will be nothing that I can enjoy. If I listen to the local rock station, there will be commercial crap, but there will also be good stuff mixed in. Even some of the commercial rock is listenable, tolerable, while commercial rap is not listenable at all. It is purely image designed and as thus doesn't bother with audio factors. So since radio is probably the broadest source of music people hear, they never hear good hip-hop and thus think the genre is absolute crap.


Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: hyp on December 11, 2007, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 11, 2007, 07:35:36 PM
:-*
The sounds of highschool.

tell me about it.  i dunno if you were around the bay when HOT 97.7 (the hiphop/r&b station) was still on the air, but man did they play some now-classics on the radio.  i remember hearing the pharcyde, souls of mischief, nas, and too short for the first time on that station.  those were the days.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: hyp on December 11, 2007, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 11, 2007, 08:16:58 PM
It is because if I listen to the local hip-hop station, it will be only commercial crap and there will be nothing that I can enjoy. If I listen to the local rock station, there will be commercial crap, but there will also be good stuff mixed in. Even some of the commercial rock is listenable, tolerable, while commercial rap is not listenable at all. It is purely image designed and as thus doesn't bother with audio factors. So since radio is probably the broadest source of music people hear, they never hear good hip-hop and thus think the genre is absolute crap.

that sucks.  commercial radio for the most part is garbage no matter what city you're from.  if you have any college radio stations available in your area, check those out.  where i live i can pick up stations from 3 major universities and the music they broadcast over a variety of genres is for the most part independent and underground.  i've discovered some gems by listening to college radio.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 11, 2007, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 03:47:41 PM
Remember a time when hip hop used to be POSITIVE? Yeah. :(
Lupe Fiasco, Common, Talib etc. still doesn't mean the majority of their new stuff isn't shit.

Hip-Hop is ending up like Jazz with a bunch of old black and white men talking about the 'glory days'. It had it's swing phase in the late 90's and is now incorporated as 'urban' (or pop for darkies).

Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Candyflip on December 11, 2007, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 11, 2007, 08:16:58 PM
It is because if I listen to the local hip-hop station, it will be only commercial crap and there will be nothing that I can enjoy. If I listen to the local rock station, there will be commercial crap, but there will also be good stuff mixed in. Even some of the commercial rock is listenable, tolerable, while commercial rap is not listenable at all. It is purely image designed and as thus doesn't bother with audio factors. So since radio is probably the broadest source of music people hear, they never hear good hip-hop and thus think the genre is absolute crap.



I can hardly stand anything on 98.5 or 106.5. But you're right, 102.5 and 103.5 are even worse. Someone at The Bomb has a massive hardon for T-pain.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 10:14:39 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on December 11, 2007, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 11, 2007, 03:47:41 PM
Remember a time when hip hop used to be POSITIVE? Yeah. :(
Lupe Fiasco, Common, Talib etc. still doesn't mean the majority of their new stuff isn't shit.


I'm talking about in general. I mean, even the more extreme groups like NWA, Public Enemy...they did a lot of positive songs. 2Pac did plenty of positive songs. I think this didn't start until a bunch of Pac wannabes came out and didn't exactly fully understand the dude's music.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2007, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: hyp on December 11, 2007, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 11, 2007, 08:16:58 PM
It is because if I listen to the local hip-hop station, it will be only commercial crap and there will be nothing that I can enjoy. If I listen to the local rock station, there will be commercial crap, but there will also be good stuff mixed in. Even some of the commercial rock is listenable, tolerable, while commercial rap is not listenable at all. It is purely image designed and as thus doesn't bother with audio factors. So since radio is probably the broadest source of music people hear, they never hear good hip-hop and thus think the genre is absolute crap.

that sucks.  commercial radio for the most part is garbage no matter what city you're from.  if you have any college radio stations available in your area, check those out.  where i live i can pick up stations from 3 major universities and the music they broadcast over a variety of genres is for the most part independent and underground.  i've discovered some gems by listening to college radio.

Actually a local sports show guy plays the best hip-hop on local radio here. He runs a weekend show and plays it as background music and bumpers. He uses a lot of underground and new hip-hop.
Title: Re: People and rap music.
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2007, 10:21:21 PM
Yeah we've got a College Radio station back home called KTRU. I love it. They play underground stuff. In fact, they play stuff from every genre: from underground hip hop, GOOD mainstream hip hop, and jazz to reggae, punk rock, metal and even electronica... it is an AWESOME station

case in point:

http://bang.rice.edu/schedule.shtml