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Title: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:16:49 AM
This film is way overhyped.  It really is great for the first hour and a half; it continually ratches up the intensity as the film progresses.  And I mean it's really good.  The problem is that the home stretch relies on a heavyhanded character arc for Tommy Lee Jones, who turns in one of the most forced Oscar "for your consideration" reels I've seen in awhile.  The last part should be a separate movie called Tommy Lee Jones Fishes For an Oscar.  And that sucks, because Javier Bardem is an inspiration in the movie and Josh Brolin's peformance actually makes him relevant in Hollywood again.  I haven't read the Cormac McCarthy novel and my gut feeling is that it likely ends the same way, and if so, then the Coen Bros. should've found another actor to tackle the dénouement other than Tommy Lee Jones (in a performance that feels like every other Tommy Lee peformance, but gentler).

Considering the epic amount of hype this has gotten, from a Maurice Cooks 9.0 rating to the Internet gushing, this fell well short of my expectations.  I have no doubt that this will get a ton of Oscar nominations, many deservedly so (Javier Bardem for President!), but if Tommy Lee manages to weasel his way into one, then it will have been at the cost of making a great movie merely a good one.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2008, 05:17:55 AM
No Country for Old Men = Transformers
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:19:16 AM
YES.

Shia LeBouf was better in Transformers than Tommy Lee Jones. Fact.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:22:30 AM
wfederman007: Tommy Lee Jones ruins that movie.
wfederman007: He plays the same character he's ever played
CajoleJuice: really, i could FEEL everyone in the theater thinking "what the fuck is this?"
wfederman007: EXCEPT HE IS TIRED AND SADDENED BY THE WORLD
wfederman007: AND DESERVES AN OSCAR
wfederman007: LOOK AT ME
wfederman007: I AM SAD AND OLD GIMME AN OSCAR
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2008, 05:23:18 AM
YES.

Shia LeBouf was better in Transformers than Tommy Lee Jones. Fact.

But Javier Bardem shit all over Shia LeBouf.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:24:40 AM
Javier Bardem is the Optimus Prime of actors.

Also, I just fixed all that's wrong with No Country for Old Men.  I will e-mail this suggestion to the Coen Bros. and have them reshoot the movie with my new edit:

wfederman007: I think the movie would've been better if his part was played by CHRISTOPHER WALKEN
CajoleJuice: you just blew my mind
CajoleJuice: him delivering those solioquies would have been incredible
CajoleJuice: yea, thats spelt wrong
CajoleJuice: lol
wfederman007: SEE
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:27:49 AM
The reviews are in - people are demanding my new and improved cut of No Country for Old Men featuring Christopher Walken!

CajoleJuice: but really dude
wfederman007: Christopher Walken
wfederman007: Movie would've been 9.5
wfederman007: MAYBE 10.0
CajoleJuice: im imagining this
CajoleJuice: holy shit
CajoleJuice: holy
CajoleJuice: shit
CajoleJuice: especially the very last one
CajoleJuice: not so much the conversation with that old dude in the wheelchair
CajoleJuice: but the dream
CajoleJuice: christopher walken relating that dream would've been perfect
wfederman007: I know
wfederman007: Coen Bros. are hacks
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: TVC15 on January 07, 2008, 05:33:47 AM
Christopher Walken?  Is that a joke? I'll tell you what is a joke:  Christopher Walken circa 2007-8.  He's a shitty comedy actor now, and he hasn't displayed real acting chops in at least a decade. . .maybe 2.  He basically plays a silly SNL version of himself anymore.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:35:08 AM
Since when have the Coen Bros. been super serious?  He's perfect!  Even if he plays a fascimile of himself, it's be better than Tommy Lee Jones.  I'd take Tyler Perry, even.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 07, 2008, 05:35:31 AM
Josh Brolin was so awesome in this movie
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 05:36:25 AM
Yeah, he was really good.  Then the Coen Bros. apparently ran out of good actors, so Tommy Lee Jones carries the film into mediocrity for the last thirty minutes.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2008, 05:50:38 AM
(http://www.positivecurfew.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/walken_speaks.jpg)

"Alright then. Two of 'em. Both had my father in 'em . It's peculiar. I'm older now then he ever was by twenty years. So in a sense he's the younger man. Anyway, first one I don't remember to well but it was about meeting him in town somewhere, he's gonna give me some money. I think I lost it. The second one, it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin' through the mountains of a night. Goin' through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and there was snow on the ground and he rode past me and kept on goin'. Never said nothin' goin' by. He just rode on past... and he had his blanket wrapped around him and his head down and when he rode past I seen he was carryin' fire in a horn the way people used to do and I could see the horn from the light inside of it. 'Bout the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin' on ahead and he was fixin' to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold, and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. And then I woke up."
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Solo on January 07, 2008, 10:37:38 AM
I thought it was pretty middle of the road myself.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Tauntaun on January 07, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
I loved it but I have only seen it once and need to rewatch!  :hyper

Edit:  I will say the best parts were with Josh and Javier.  They had the best performances bar none.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2008, 11:01:52 AM
Yawn.  Oh Federwang.  Your tastes can be countered by simply saying that you enjoyed Transformers.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2008, 11:04:52 AM
i think burt reynolds as the sheriff, paul ruebens as the killer, jessica simpson as the wife and dane cook as the guy with the money would have made it better
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
I thought it was pretty middle of the road myself.

I don't think I'd say that.  It's pretty good, but nowhere approaching the hype!

Quote from: Raoul Duke
Yawn.  Oh Federwang.  Your tastes can be countered by simply saying that you enjoyed Transformers.

Have you even seen No Country for Old Men?
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2008, 12:10:14 PM
Christopher Walken is a fucking caricature at this point.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 12:13:31 PM
Again, it would be better than Tommy Lee Jones!
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2008, 12:28:13 PM
Well that's true. Tommy Lee Jones is awful.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 12:29:13 PM
What was the point of Tommy Lee Jones' character?
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 12:43:29 PM
What was the point of Tommy Lee Jones' character?

Tommy Lee Jones' character is aging and becoming disillusioned with the world - especially since this tale shows the kind of violence he is incapable of understanding.  By the end of the film, he's a broken man and yearns for old-timey simplicity.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 12:54:03 PM
What was the point of Tommy Lee Jones' character?

Tommy Lee Jones' character is aging and becoming disillusioned with the world - especially since this tale shows the kind of violence he is incapable of understanding.  By the end of the film, he's a broken man and yearns for old-timey simplicity.

Yea I got that, they pretty much hit you with that when he talks to the fat guy in the dinner. But his story goes nowhere and is boring as hell.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: T234 on January 07, 2008, 12:57:55 PM
Yawn.  Oh Federwang.  Your tastes can be countered by simply saying that you enjoyed Transformers.
Waitaminute. WILLCO LIKES TRANSFORMERS (THE NEW MOVIE TRANSFORMERS?)? WILLCO AWEFUL TASTE CONFIRMED
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 01:08:25 PM
It was my crowning achievement on Evilbore in 2007.  I REGRET NOTHING.

Quote from: FlameofCallandor
Yea I got that, they pretty much hit you with that when he talks to the fat guy in the dinner. But his story goes nowhere and is boring as hell.

It's not that his story is boring, it's that Tommy Lee Jones is boring.  Had a more capable actor tackled the role, instead of Tommy Lee obviously fishing for an Oscar, it would've probably been a pretty powerful ending.  I now understand all the pre-release hype spewed by Tommy Lee Jones, when he went as far as to call the film the best Coen Bros. production ever (it's not).  I'd probably feel that way too if I felt I had a solid 30-minute "for your consideration" reel.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 01:09:32 PM
Everyone likes a few shitty movies.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:15:53 PM
God, I used to think this forum had GOOD taste in movies.

Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: TVC15 on January 07, 2008, 03:17:45 PM
What was the point of Tommy Lee Jones' character?

The point of Tommy Lee Jones is that he holds the movie rights to all of Cormac McCarthy's books.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:19:58 PM
Ah the backlash
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2008, 03:21:38 PM
God, I used to think this forum had GOOD taste in movies.

Iknorite?
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:26:21 PM
Basically if this forum likes a movie, I expect it to tear it down within two weeks.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
Sorry, anyone who can put Transformers on the same level as No Country for Old Men needs to have his or her head examined. Transformers was utter shit. No Country was probably one of the better films I've seen this year.

I don't know if people on this forum want to have like weird ass movie tastes that even defy the obscure intelligent film fan people's hype or what, but No Country is a spectacular film. While I do have problems with the ending as well, it is a minor flaw in the overall story, and the end ties in with the rest of the film quite nicely.

Javier Bardem ALONE made this film my choice for best picture in 2007. I haven't seen There Will Be Blood yet, and some other films (Atonement, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, Gone Baby Gone) but I'm pretty sure a kickass Daniel Day-Lewis performance is the only thing that might rival Javier Bardem in this film for me. Plus, add that to the fact that the suspense levels in this film are ridiculous (and unexpected), the movie is paced (yes, even the ending) ridiculously well, and the cinematography is to fucking die for.

Tommy Lee Jones doesn't deserve an Oscar. We get that. He won't get one. Everything I've been reading in the hype basically says he won't get one or even fucking nominated for that matter. But shit, his performance was adequate. It wasn't like he was Hayden Christiansen or something.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2008, 03:29:15 PM
Basically if this forum likes a movie, I expect it to tear it down within two weeks.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=6120.0
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:29:27 PM
Basically if this forum likes a movie, I expect it to tear it down within two weeks.

Pretty much. Hell, I was about to give PD shit because he only gave it a 9. More like a 9.5 for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2008, 03:31:44 PM
I haven't seen There Will Be Blood yet, and some other films (Atonement, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, Gone Baby Gone) but I'm pretty sure a kickass Daniel Day-Lewis performance is the only thing that might rival Javier Bardem in this film for me.

Daniel Day-Lewis' performance in There Will Be Blood was so kickass, it blew my mind. He should definitely get an Oscar for that. But other than that, No Country For Old Men was a better movie. Best Picture fo sho. And Best Supporting Actor for Javier Bardem.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
Basically if this forum likes a movie, I expect it to tear it down within two weeks.

Pretty much. Hell, I was about to give PD shit because he only gave it a 9. More like a 9.5 for fuck's sake.

Only gave it a 9? wtf  :lol
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
I think more people wanted another Big Lebowski, not another Fargo. I havent seen the movie cause im not in the mood for anything dire, even if it is well done.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2008, 03:33:45 PM
Also, Bardem will be nominated for best supporting actor and DDL will get the nom for best actor.  I know it will be tough for him to beat out Shia Lebouf but I expect he'll manage.

MAF- more like another Miller's Crossing.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:35:55 PM
I dont watch their other movies, im one of THOSE Coen bros fans
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Post by: demi on January 07, 2008, 03:37:40 PM
hot fuzz movie of 07 :bow
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:38:04 PM
I think more people wanted another Big Lebowski, not another Fargo. I havent seen the movie cause im not in the mood for anything dire, even if it is well done.

Evidently. Even though Big Lebowski


WASN'T THAT GREAT.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 03:39:24 PM
Sorry, anyone who can put Transformers on the same level as No Country for Old Men...

I never did.

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While I do have problems with the ending as well, it is a minor flaw in the overall story...

It's not minor.

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But shit, his performance was adequate.

Not really.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:41:11 PM
Sorry, anyone who can put Transformers on the same level as No Country for Old Men...

I never did.


Didn't you give Transformers a B-?

Sounds like you put it on the same level to me.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:41:52 PM
oh wait dude, I was with ya till the Big Lebowski comment. Youre on yer own now.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:42:44 PM
Event Horizon > No Country
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: demi on January 07, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Sorry, anyone who can put Transformers on the same level as No Country for Old Men...

I never did.


Didn't you give Transformers a B-?

Sounds like you put it on the same level to me.

willco said transformers was A POPCORN FLICK and THATS JUST WHAT HE GOT

while this was OVERHYPED AS THE NEXT BEST THING and he got MEN IN BLACK 3 or something more quippy

although i'm with you when you say willco is a fat jew
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:44:20 PM
oh wait dude, I was with ya till the Big Lebowski comment. Youre on yer own now.

Not saying it was bad, just saying it didn't have much of a point really.

Which, I guess, was the point of the entire film?

Eh, whatever.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:45:07 PM
Entertainment doesnt always need a point dude
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Post by: Robo on January 07, 2008, 03:45:37 PM
I was expecting this thread.  We can never go too long before a movie PD, Cheebs and the BK Beast rally behind is shat upon for kool points and bonus boners.  There'll be one for There Will Be Blood too, without a doubt.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
I like event horizon alot.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 03:46:29 PM
Event Horizon > No Country

Yes.

I never said it was on the same level as Transformers.  I jokingly gave No Country for Old Men an arbitrary ranking equal to the infamous score handed to Transformers to knock down its diehard proponents a peg or two, but anyone with half a brain could tell that it wasn't real.  I guess you didn't read my review (the one with no actual score at the end), but instead got caught in a Javier Bardem-type rage and started for your cattlegun because I insulted your precious movie of 2007.  Just deal!

Also, Hot Fuzz was a lot better than No Country for Old Men.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:47:18 PM
I was expecting this thread.  We can never go too long before a movie PD, Cheebs and the BK Beast rally behind are shat upon for kool points and bonus boners.  There'll be one for There Will Be Blood too, without a doubt.

I believe there was already the rumblings of one because Trahan said that There Will Be Blood would be remembered as an AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSIC (R) for years to come.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:47:54 PM
Event Horizon  :-X :-X :-X

There ya go.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:48:36 PM
(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)

(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 03:49:41 PM
I was expecting this thread.  We can never go too long before a movie PD, Cheebs and the BK Beast rally behind is shat upon for kool points and bonus boners.  There'll be one for There Will Be Blood too, without a doubt.

One of those three doesn't post here, one of those three thought Enchanted was better and one of those three are homeschooled.  There wasn't the forum overhype groupthink behind this like, say, Juno, so their opinions really had no effect on me.  The hype is more or less from all the critics, award nominations and my personal effection for the Coen Bros.  This just did not live up to the hype.  Everything gets it credit in due time - even Prole admitting to liking Borat after the forum hype died down.  This is just the case of an overhyped, good-at-best film.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:50:22 PM
(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 03:50:34 PM
Juno kind of sucked
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 03:50:55 PM
Also, Event Horizon is A+ would watch again
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 03:51:05 PM
holy crap, foc gets one right
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:51:11 PM
Junos dumb. bobobobobo they talk fast and say things that are offensive to old people!
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Post by: demi on January 07, 2008, 03:51:33 PM
one of those three actually used the word "pedestrian" when describing a movie
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 03:52:20 PM
Juno tried to be too quirky. The characters were not realistic in any way. The dialogue was terrible. etc...

Knocked 4 lyfe
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 03:52:30 PM
Junos dumb. bobobobobo they talk fast and say things that are offensive to old people!

SHES A TEENAGER THATS PREGNANT. HES MICHAEL CERA.  HIJINKS ENSUE.  JUNO, A COMEDY FOR PRETENTIOUS TEENAGERS ABOUT PRETENTIOUS TEENAGERS.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:52:57 PM
(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 03:53:39 PM
written by a GURL named DIABLO CODY

OMG

just OMG

:elf :elf :elf
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2008, 03:54:00 PM
Event Horizon is pedestrian. It would have been a lot better with Shia LeBouf in the role of Dr. William Weir, and Tommy Lee Jones instead of Laurence Fishburne, and Ron Howard directing it.
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 03:54:25 PM
Event Horizon is pedestrian. It would have been a lot better with Shia LeBouf in the role of Dr. William Weir, and Tommy Lee Jones instead of Laurence Fishburne, and Ron Howard directing it.

 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 07, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)(http://www.100topsoftwaresites.com/movie/EventHorizon.jpg)
ROX ROX ROX
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Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 03:55:37 PM
The only thing I am going to say about Juno, because it's obviously not this forum's taste in film, is that it's better than Little Miss Sunshine, and I think we can all agree on that.
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 03:56:18 PM
I didnt see little miss sunshine...
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 03:57:08 PM
written by a GURL named DIABLO CODY

OMG

just OMG

:elf :elf :elf

SHE WAS NAKED LOL FEMINISM!

Little Miss Sunshine is the epitome of the overhyped indie film.  It was so underwhelming that I can only hope Juno can muster the competent screenwriting to be superior.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2008, 03:58:06 PM
Also, Javier Bardem should have played the role of the demon that was raping the dude.

The tagline would have been:
"Where we're going, Anton Chigurh won't need eyes to rape you! In space!"

Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 03:58:18 PM
The only thing I am going to say about Juno, because it's obviously not this forum's taste in film, is that it's better than Little Miss Sunshine, and I think we can all agree on that.

hey, i haven't seen no country yet. i loved fargo a whole lotta, and i don't consistently share willco's opinions on movies.

little miss sunshine > juno > garden state as KOLLEGE KID KWIRK movies go
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 07, 2008, 04:00:29 PM
I HATE garden state.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 04:01:08 PM
The only thing I am going to say about Juno, because it's obviously not this forum's taste in film, is that it's better than Little Miss Sunshine, and I think we can all agree on that.

hey, i haven't seen no country yet. i loved fargo a whole lotta, and i don't consistently share willco's opinions on movies.

little miss sunshine > juno > garden state as KOLLEGE KID KWIRK movies go

No Country is similar to Fargo in many ways. The setting is one you usually don't see in film (unless you count Westerns for Texas, which you shouldn't due to the time period), the villains obviously are memorable (especially in No Country).

The biggest change for me is that Fargo had dark comedic aspects. No Country is just dark. I just draw parallels between the bleak snowscape in Fargo and the bleak empty plains in No Country.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 04:01:23 PM
I love Fargo.  It's probably my favorite Coen Bros. production and this came close to eclipsing that film within the first 90 minutes.  Then, Tommy Lee Jones drags the movie into a boring nether region of film we can only call... The Twilight Zone.
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Post by: Robo on January 07, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
Everything gets it credit in due time - even Prole admitting to liking Borat after the forum hype died down.  This is just the case of an overhyped, good-at-best film.

I hope you aren't trying to say this hype backlash thread is an example of NCFOM getting its "credit in due time".  I'm pretty sure that would entail waiting for a point when hype isn't such a consideration!
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Post by: Bloodwake on January 07, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Don't make me pick between the two films.

Fuck, Fargo is the more lighthearted. I mean, how fucked up is that. I'm calling Fargo lighthearted in a thread. Probably will come around and bite me in the ass one day.
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Post by: cubicle47b on January 07, 2008, 04:08:47 PM
Overall, I really liked Juno.  The dialog was ridiculous but most of the time I found it and the characters amusing.  Also, I'm a sucker for the Moldy Peaches.
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 04:12:08 PM
I hope you aren't trying to say this hype backlash thread is an example of NCFOM getting its "credit in due time".  I'm pretty sure that would entail waiting for a point when hype isn't such a consideration!

I am pretty sure that such a thread would have the same faults with the film, but the dissapointment would be a lot less.  Again, my hype has to do with my personal affection for the Coen Bros. and the massive amounts of critical acclaim this film has garnered in a short period of time than anything this forum has said.

I like this film and I recommend fans of the Coen Bros. to go see it.  It's certainly worth your time.  But if you were expecting the next Fargo or the best film of 2007, you'll likely be dissapointed.  The only thing it has on Fargo is a more memorable villain, but a good bad guy does not make a great film necessarily.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 04:13:09 PM
william h. macy :bow :bow :bow
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2008, 04:15:02 PM
I think more people wanted another Big Lebowski, not another Fargo. I havent seen the movie cause im not in the mood for anything dire, even if it is well done.

Evidently. Even though Big Lebowski


WASN'T THAT GREAT.


Oh shit-

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN MOTHAFUCKA
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2008, 04:15:23 PM
Also, I find Fargo much more sinister, because it exposes how evil the guy across the street can be and how we justify that kind of evil.  No Country for Old Men is really a bunch of violent people living in a violent world.  Tommy Lee Jones said it right when unnamed parties died of natural causes - it's natural to their line of work.  Fargo is like watching a trainwreck in motion, No Country for Old Men is not the same.
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Post by: T234 on January 07, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
I think more people wanted another Big Lebowski, not another Fargo. I havent seen the movie cause im not in the mood for anything dire, even if it is well done.

Evidently. Even though Big Lebowski


WASN'T THAT GREAT.

THEMS FIGHTIN WORDS, SKINNY MCONEWIFFANDRUNK
Title: Re: Okay, HYPE TIME OVER... No Country for Old Men: B-
Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2008, 05:17:06 PM
This thread is a fucking embarassment to Evilbore as a forum.
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Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2008, 05:17:54 PM
Said it before.  Last chunk of NCFoM doesn't work for me.

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The movie builds up the cat and mouse between Llewelyn and Chigurh.  It does a great job of maintaining suspense despite the fatalism; the audience cares about Llewelyn's efforts to escape even though they know he's doomed.

Then the movie pulls one of the most abrupt shifts I can think of, kills a couple of important characters off-screen, and throws it over to Sheriff Bell, who contemplates evil.  Conclusions: It's bad, and you can't stop it.

If the Coens wanted to make a point about society's tenuous restraint on human malice, they did a much better job showing it in the body of the movie than they did lecturing about it in the tail.  If they just wanted to sucker the audience into rooting for a movie bad guy then scold them for doing so, that's a petty use of the art form.
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It's a good movie.  I liked it.  I recommend it to anyone on the board.  But it has problems.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2008, 05:27:02 PM
So you dislike the Coen Bros. for adapting the novel accurately?  The problems you have lie in the way the book's plot is structured (not that McCarthy novels have ever really been about plot), and the fact that the Coens were slavishly accurate to it 99% of the time.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 05:30:01 PM
while i haven't seen the movie, slavish adherence to a novel's structure and narrative isn't always GOOD for cinema. i'd like to assume the coen bros know the difference, though.

still, the shining is all the better for tossing out some of king's tripe in favor of its own themes. on the other hand, i think children of men would have been improved in the area of characterization by including some of the motivations and scenes from the novel.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2008, 05:35:22 PM
while i haven't seen the movie, slavish adherence to a novel's structure and narrative isn't always GOOD for cinema. i'd like to assume the coen bros know the difference, though.

still, the shining is all the better for tossing out some of king's tripe in favor of its own themes. on the other hand, i think children of men would have been improved in the area of characterization by including some of the motivations and scenes from the novel.

[maf]BUT BUT BUT CHILDREN OF MEN![/maf]
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Post by: lordmaji on January 07, 2008, 05:35:51 PM
Damn, has it been a week already Wilco? :/
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Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
I've heard that, but it doesn't really change the experience of seeing the movie, or the Coens' responsibility for its content.

They chose the source material and how to adapt it.  Whatever their decision-making process, I think the final product is flawed.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 05:43:41 PM
while i haven't seen the movie, slavish adherence to a novel's structure and narrative isn't always GOOD for cinema. i'd like to assume the coen bros know the difference, though.

still, the shining is all the better for tossing out some of king's tripe in favor of its own themes. on the other hand, i think children of men would have been improved in the area of characterization by including some of the motivations and scenes from the novel.

[maf]BUT BUT BUT CHILDREN OF MEN![/maf]

note: isn't ALWAYS good. dune could have benefitted from better adherence (and yes, i know frank herbert did the screenplay), just like com. note that neither me or maf have called com a bad movie by ANY stretch.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2008, 07:28:48 PM
Personally, the first hour and a half of the movie is so fucking awesome, that I can ignore the rest. And Bardem HAS to win the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. I guess I basically agree with Mandark said.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on January 07, 2008, 07:33:22 PM
Tommy Lee Jones used to rent movies from the Blockbuster in San Antonio that I used to work at. No lie.

And yes, I was the stupid ass that once asked him for his card b/c I didn't know who he was.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 07, 2008, 07:37:07 PM
I think more people wanted another Big Lebowski, not another Fargo. I havent seen the movie cause im not in the mood for anything dire, even if it is well done.

Evidently. Even though Big Lebowski


WASN'T THAT GREAT.


big mistake


edit oh shit this thread is 3 pgs long
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Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2008, 08:25:02 PM
while i haven't seen the movie, slavish adherence to a novel's structure and narrative isn't always GOOD for cinema. i'd like to assume the coen bros know the difference, though.

Didn't say it was! I agree with you.  But I also think No Country For Old Men is one of the best movies I saw last year.  I agree with Willco that Tommy Lee Jones is just playing a variation on the characters he always plays (him and Morgan Freeman always play the same character types over and over), but he doesn't bring down the movie.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2008, 09:28:37 PM
while i haven't seen the movie, slavish adherence to a novel's structure and narrative isn't always GOOD for cinema. i'd like to assume the coen bros know the difference, though.

Didn't say it was! I agree with you.  But I also think No Country For Old Men is one of the best movies I saw last year.  I agree with Willco that Tommy Lee Jones is just playing a variation on the characters he always plays (him and Morgan Freeman always play the same character types over and over), but he doesn't bring down the movie.

I agree. It's the type of weak complaint, foundation-less complaint that pretends to be a valid objection. I'm sorry the film asks you to THINK instead of bashing indistinguishable metal together in half second shots.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2008, 09:58:30 PM
Jesus, Transformers was bad.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 10:34:33 PM
think? it sounds like the last 30 minutes TELLS. pd, don't latch onto ichi's bandwagon; he is far more reliable than you will ever hope to be.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2008, 10:35:23 PM
You haven't seen the movie, and this is no thread for old men
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 07, 2008, 10:40:16 PM
hence, "it SOUNDS like"
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2008, 10:42:37 PM
Sounds like failure to me!
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2008, 10:50:42 PM
Sounds like failure to me!

The last 30 minutes of the movie? Pretty much, yea.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2008, 10:53:42 PM
The last 10 minutes or so aren't particularly great, but they don't ruin the film. I actually agree with Mandark 100% about the

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off screen deaths
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That was annoying. But the final scene is good in the sense that it explains certain things. It really ties in with the opening monologue
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Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2008, 11:07:55 PM
Happens that way in the book, too.  Really threw me off for a second, had to re-read those last few pages to get a handle on what McCarthy had done.  I applaud the Coens for having the cojones to do it that way, and it had the effect of getting a lot of people talking about the movie, which is always good come awards-time.

I think it works, personally.  I actually like how it's done in the movie even more than how the events were portrayed in the book.

And damn, Josh Brolin can act.  I never woulda thought it.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 08, 2008, 01:36:02 AM
The problem is not with the adaptation - it's with the actor.  The movie essentially relies on a peformance that you even agree is merely adequate at best.  And I'm sorry if I'm not enthralled with 30 minutes of a merely adequate peformance that abruptly stops a great film.  If it weren't for the fact that the first 90 minutes were so good, it'd be a deal breaker altogether, but as is, it's just a good film.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 08, 2008, 01:47:04 AM
No, I think it's actually a good performance, it's just not far removed from the type of stuff Tommy Lee Jones usually plays.  I don't think it brings the movie down at all.
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Post by: Vizzys on January 08, 2008, 02:20:52 AM
Basically if this forum likes a movie, I expect it to tear it down within two weeks.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=6120.0

hey I liked it

just a wtf ending
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
The problem is not with the adaptation - it's with the actor.  The movie essentially relies on a peformance that you even agree is merely adequate at best.  And I'm sorry if I'm not enthralled with 30 minutes of a merely adequate peformance that abruptly stops a great film.  If it weren't for the fact that the first 90 minutes were so good, it'd be a deal breaker altogether, but as is, it's just a good film.

You haven't explained why you didn't like the performance; so far you've just continued saying it was meh or whatever, as if that's a fact. I thought it was a good performance. The delivery was rather monotone and deadpan, but that could be said of most of the southern drawls throughout the entire film. This wasn't a role where he was required to do anything particularly difficult in terms of range, but I certainly didn't see anything that made me say wait a minute, that was a horrible performance.


Great insight on some of the themes:
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=14735.msg388398#msg388398
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 08, 2008, 01:27:39 PM
I guess reading is fundamental:

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The problem is that the home stretch relies on a heavyhanded character arc for Tommy Lee Jones, who turns in one of the most forced Oscar "for your consideration" reels I've seen in awhile.

Not to mention I've said throughout that Tommy Lee Jones gives a derivative performance, something that even Ichirou agrees with.  I guess if you enjoy watching Tommy Lee Jones play the same character every time, you'll really love this!  The movie is on his shoulders and it is far too heavy for him to carry.  And yes, it's entirely possible to try a forced attempt at an Oscar nomination - it's pretty transparent here.  There are certain things you try to emulate, in terms of past success and what not, to compress in a "for your consideration" reel to get those Academy votes.  Hell, there are entire films that are now manufactured for an Oscar - they're released around awards time, they feature themes and concepts that prey upon Academy voter sensibilities and do a good job at trying to emulate films that have won the so-called prestigious award before.

And who doesn't get the theme?  Tommy Lee Jones spends an eternity spoonfeeding you the theme during the last 30 minutes, which is kind of dumb, because even as FoC noted, you pretty much understand the gist of his character earlier on through interaction and discussion with the other characters.  Although, you might not have gotten it if it was a bit more subtle.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2008, 01:29:45 PM
Can you give another example of a forced Oscar performance? Like, in recent memory?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 08, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
The worst offender in recent memory was Julianne Moore in Freedomland.
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Post by: Eric P on January 08, 2008, 01:37:20 PM
Can you give another example of a forced Oscar performance? Like, in recent memory?

the film crash?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 08, 2008, 01:47:11 PM
Can you give another example of a forced Oscar performance? Like, in recent memory?

the film crash?

 :lol