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Title: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 08, 2008, 01:03:57 AM
Or, another title would be "Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York in a Much Better Movie."

Yeah, it kicks ass.  The score is all sorts of awesome, Daniel Day Lewis gives his patented powerful and nuanced performance and kicks ass.  The supporting parts kick ass.  There really isn't a weak link in the movie.  And despite being well over two hours and change, it never, ever drags.  And Daniel Day Lewis is so good he's worth praising twice in the same paragraph.

Go see it first chance you get.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 08, 2008, 01:05:20 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 08, 2008, 01:03:57 AM
Or, another title would be "Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York in a Much Better Movie."

Sold.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2008, 02:24:06 AM
Shake foretold this months ago :bow
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Ichirou on January 08, 2008, 02:26:37 AM
"9.5/10...Best film in the last five years"
 - Miles Trahan, Writer/Director of Monsters and Madmen

Someone photoshop that quote onto the There Will Be Blood theatrical poster.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2008, 02:32:16 AM
Daniel Day-Lewis in the best performance of this decade. :bow
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: bud on January 08, 2008, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 08, 2008, 01:03:57 AM
Or, another title would be "Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York in a Much Better Movie."

Yeah, it kicks ass.  The score is all sorts of awesome, Daniel Day Lewis gives his patented powerful and nuanced performance and kicks ass.  The supporting parts kick ass.  There really isn't a weak link in the movie.  And despite being well over two hours and change, it never, ever drags.  And Daniel Day Lewis is so good he's worth praising twice in the same paragraph.

Go see it first chance you get.

dude, that sounds fucking awesome.

the trailer was so good, omg. i can't fucking wait for this.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2008, 02:21:00 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/14710093/review/17925481/there_will_be_blood
Spoilers included

 :o
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Robo on January 10, 2008, 02:40:42 PM
So everyone knows, that review is spoiler heavy.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: bud on January 10, 2008, 02:49:10 PM
you made a thread about seeing it a while ago. did you like it, robo?
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Barry Egan on January 10, 2008, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on January 10, 2008, 02:40:42 PM
So everyone knows, that review is spoiler heavy.

Thanks.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Robo on January 10, 2008, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: bud on January 10, 2008, 02:49:10 PM
you made a thread about seeing it a while ago. did you like it, robo?

I was holding back on saying much about it until everyone had a chance to see it -- I don't like greasing hype machines.  But since you asked, I'll echo previous sentiments in that I thought it was an absolutely brilliant picture with a career defining performance by D-Day.  However, HyperZone's comparison to Bill the Butcher is sort of disingenious to what Lewis has accomplished here with the Plainsview character.  He's never really given an opportunity to stretch out in Gangs to New York -- he does an incredible job with what he was given, but he's ultimately tied to a very one-dimensional character.  TWWB allows him to move around in a character -- a man who is overcome with greed and lust for power, his every movement made for personal gain -- that could be easily fall into similar circumstance, but Lewis slips in nuances of humanity, and subsequently wrestles with them; feelings that stem primarily from his relationship with H.W., his son -- which apart from the Dano rivalry is what drives the film.

I know Willco and some others have complained about P.T. Anderson's self-indulgence and his habit of extending his film's run-times with details that serve little purpose in his stories and I don't think they'll find any of that here.  In spite of the length, it is quite lean.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 01:44:47 PM
I've finally got to see it.

Daniel Day-Lewis basically delivers one of the best acting performances of all time. Holy shit. Paul Dano kicks ass too, and not only that, there's a shitload of awesome here between the amazing cinematography and the kickass score. All of this together adds up for the BEST FUCKING PICTURE OF 2007. Better believe it, it's just that amazing.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2008, 01:53:28 PM
I'm going to see it today
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2008, 01:53:28 PM
I'm going to see it today

You might want to put a cast on your ass, it will kick it so hard that your ass might break.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2008, 01:56:52 PM
Is it better than No Country?
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2008, 01:56:52 PM
Is it better than No Country?

Yes. No problems with the ending. In fact, one of the best endings I've seen in quite a while.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Raban on February 03, 2008, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2008, 01:56:52 PM
Is it better than No Country?

I'm having an extremely difficult time comparing the two.

They are both great movies, but the style of either one are very different. I'm a little biased towards Day-Lewis, but I honestly think his performance as Daniel Plainview is one of the most impressive on-screen performances of my entire life. I've seen quite a few movies and I have never been so blown away by acting before seeing this film.

No Country for Old Men has some solid acting, but the reason I can't compare the two is because NCFOM has a much lighter and slower plot, whereas TWBB's plot is a freight train from hell, with Daniel Day Lewis laughing maniacally at the controls.

Even with an impressive lead, Daniel isn't alone in the movie though. One actor that really impressed me was H.W. Plainview, the little boy. His performance was very interesting. And it goes without saying that Paul Dano is definitely a rising star, and this movie will be a highlight on his resume for years to come.

Another thing I can't decide on comparing is the writing between the two movies. TWBB's writing is the most phenomenal shit I've ever heard in my entire life, being explosive in a natural way, whereas NCFOM's writing is textbook Coen Brother's writing, but that's very far from anything negative.

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Yes. No problems with the ending. In fact, one of the best endings I've seen in quite a while.

Oh you bastard, you did not just diss NCFOM's ending.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 03:24:57 PM
Actually I'm one of the defenders of the ending. It ties the story together quite nicely. However, if I was to choose between No Country's ending and There Will Be Blood's ending.... well


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No Country with the Tommy Lee Jones monologue verses There Will Be Blood with Plainview humiliating Eli and then beating him to death with a fucking bowling pin, then saying "I'm finished" as the score kicks back in with the credits
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I'd definitely say There Will Be Blood had the better ending.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Raban on February 03, 2008, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 03:24:57 PM
Actually I'm one of the defenders of the ending. It ties the story together quite nicely. However, if I was to choose between No Country's ending and There Will Be Blood's ending.... well


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No Country with the Tommy Lee Jones monologue verses There Will Be Blood with Plainview humiliating Eli and then beating him to death with a fucking bowling pin, then saying "I'm finished" as the score kicks back in with the credits
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I'd definitely say There Will Be Blood had the better ending.

I really want to agree but it's so hard to choose which I like more. But the ending to TWBB was pretty fucking awesome, although it was painful for me to watch Daniel

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completely disown his son and basically shit all over his world
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Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: Raban on February 03, 2008, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: Bloodwake on February 03, 2008, 03:24:57 PM
Actually I'm one of the defenders of the ending. It ties the story together quite nicely. However, if I was to choose between No Country's ending and There Will Be Blood's ending.... well


spoiler (click to show/hide)
No Country with the Tommy Lee Jones monologue verses There Will Be Blood with Plainview humiliating Eli and then beating him to death with a fucking bowling pin, then saying "I'm finished" as the score kicks back in with the credits
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I'd definitely say There Will Be Blood had the better ending.

I really want to agree but it's so hard to choose which I like more. But the ending to TWBB was pretty fucking awesome, although it was painful for me to watch Daniel

spoiler (click to show/hide)
completely disown his son and basically shit all over his world
[close]

Yeah, but he DID IT SO WELL.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2008, 09:17:30 PM
Just got back. Great movie - dunno if it was better than No Country. I'll have to analyze things. But make no mistake: the ending of TWBB shits on No Country's
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Ichirou on February 04, 2008, 12:11:34 AM
Do you agree with Shake's "best movie of the last five years", "the new Citizen Kane" assessment?
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2008, 12:44:37 AM
No. I was DISAPPOINTED in that regard. Still a great movie though, but it doesn't really blow you away with awesome-ness. It was like watching the Spurs play. Perfect team, perfect chemistry, but not particularly flashy or memorable. Granted DDL was amazing and the camera work is ace, but not much blew me away.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 04, 2008, 01:36:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2008, 12:44:37 AM
No. I was DISAPPOINTED in that regard. Still a great movie though, but it doesn't really blow you away with awesome-ness. It was like watching the Spurs play. Perfect team, perfect chemistry, but not particularly flashy or memorable. Granted DDL was amazing and the camera work is ace, but not much blew me away.
Dude, what about the totally HOLYSHIT greatness score?  I saw a lot of great movies last year, I didn't see a film with a better musical score then TWBB, not by a frigging mile.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say the music was better then DDL's performance, which I realize is no small praise.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 04, 2008, 01:40:53 AM
Yeah, the score was incredible. So unconventional, but fucking brillant.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 04, 2008, 01:44:41 AM
I'm sure DDL's performance was great but this sounds like just another pretentious film with a weak plot.   There will be snores when I watch this in 1080P. 
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2008, 10:15:59 AM
The score was great, although in many cases it felt more like an independent entity than score for a film. Many times the music would build up this tense, foreboding atmosphere for rather regular scenes, which was a bit jarring.

It's definitely a film I'll have to see again. After thinking about it last night I agree it's better than No Country overall. And as I said previously, there aren't many flaws I can point out. But despite that, it felt like something was missing. The film is rather cold in a sense, detailing the life of a truly disturbing character. Plainview isn't the type of character one can feel sympathy for; if anything I was a bit unsettled by the flashes of me I saw in him. But despite his unlikable, cruel personality, I found him quite fascinating, and of course DDL didn't just bring him to life - he became him. I didn't even get the impression that he was acting - the performance is that convincing. There are so many films where you see the actor more than the actual character he's bringing to life, and you'll say "oh that's Denzel" or "oh that's Cruise." I'm not saying they're bad actors, or knocking them in any way. Instead I was more reminded of Nosferatu, a film where you don't necessarily see a man dressed up as a vampire - you're convinced you are actually watching a vampire on film.

In terms of themes it really struck me as one of identity. In African American history there is the notion of the mask. Before and during Reconstruction many blacks could not afford to show any type of emotion or personal feeling, instead putting on a face of content and servitude to fool their white masters/bosses. Yet behind this mask was a mix of emotions, from rage to feelings of inferiority. Plainview is an oilman first, man second. Throughout the years he builds up his own mask, hiding his contempt for people with the facade of an honest family man, the perfect image to win over his religious customers. He surrounds himself with what he calls a "family business", filled with men he cares for. Yet really, it's not a family business, nor does he care for anyone. The film details a rather extensive period of time, over which Plainview continues to wear his mask, yet slowly the real Plainview is revealed until a truly shocking climax.

Yet this theme doesn't only detail Plainview. It has just as much meaning for Eli, the "prophet" pastor who asks Plainview to mine the oil of his small town. Paul Dana's performance is amazingly subtle. As someone who has lived around religious people all my life, I can honestly say Dana's portrayal was spot on. The faint, ambitious smile of feigned happiness and caring, the obsession for spirituality, and most importantly the hypocrisy of it all. Amazing

While the film doesn't blow you away in many scenes, it has its fair share of great scenes. The film feels rather robotic in its efficiency, thus harkoning back to my San Antonio Spurs comparison - it's not flashy or spectacular much, but it's just perfect. But perhaps what's missing is a soul, similar to the main characters portrayed in the film.

9/10

:bow
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: etiolate on April 24, 2008, 10:00:56 AM
Awesome movie. Great ending and last line. Daniel does remind me of Charles Kane, so I can see the Citizen Kane comparison.
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Bloodwake on April 24, 2008, 10:57:07 AM
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
Title: Re: There Will Be Blood. More Like, "There Will Be Awesome"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2008, 11:53:11 AM
My second viewing convinced me even more that it's fuck awesome. I remember complaining about the pacing, but that was probably because I was in worried I'd miss a superbowl party while I was in the theater. Viewing it in the comfort of my home a couple night ago I really didn't notice any pacing issues. The best epic films make you forget time (Godfather, KoH DC, Amadeus DC, etc)