THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Mandark on January 09, 2008, 08:59:00 PM
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Globally, that is. (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt)
If it had made more of a push in December, it coulda won outright.
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ToxicAdam?
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The climate is like the Spurs. It usually doesn't repeat. It's just hard to stay hungry right after winning it all.
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2008 will be the year that the free market solves the global warming crisis.
Just kidding--global warming doesn't exist!
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Screw Earth, let's use this bitch up and then set up space colonies. I called dibs on Ganymede.
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I just spent $1200 on snow tires yesterday.
Come on global warming...hurry the hell up.
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I think it reached 68 or so today in NYC, and it was 64 yesterday. The average high for this time of year is around 36 degrees, for reference. So I guess the trend is continuing on into the new year.
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Still about on par to what the NH was experiencing 400 years ago.
Only 9 years left guys.. make your time.
By the way guys, yesterday I saw a mosquito flying inside my breezeway of my house. It is pretty unprecedented and a clear sign of global warming. I wish I had a camera to take a picture of it .. if only he would have landed on a melting bit of snow, it would have been a very powerful picture.
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TA, do you think there would be any negative effects from doubling the amount of carbon dioxide in the air in the last 50 years?
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All the snow is gone outside...in January...in Michigan :o
It's raining like crazy too
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I'm sure glad this all stopped in 1998! (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94344)
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TA, do you think there would be any negative effects from doubling the amount of carbon dioxide in the air in the last 50 years?
We don't even have a firm handle on how much carbon sinks take in per year. Measuring stations in much of the old USSR are poorly handled if not neglected. We haven't really invested into proper measuring tools in the "developed world" until the latter half of the past century. So there is still uncertainty if what we have recorded "in recorded history" is even accurate.
We are not quite sure the true output of exposed soils, we do know that the thawing of permafrost in Siberia releases untold amounts of Co2 and methane into the air, but only approximations of what that would be. There is even major questions in whether trees found in the temperate areas of the world have any carbon negating effect AT ALL.
There isn't even any firm ideas of WHAT doubling CO2 in the atmosphere does to our temperature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_sensitivity. It could range from 1.5 C all they way to 10C. Some have even floated the theory that CO2 can only "trap" so much and actually "caps" at a certain point.
Not to mention the fact that we have no way of predicting what increased water vapor (as the world heats up) in the atmosphere will do to the temperature. As H2O both helps and hinders the greenhouse effect.
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So yes, I do think we have an effect. But I do not think it is significant or "speeding up" the natural process of this planet.
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Tee hee hee.
Now tell us the one about irreducible complexity.
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TA, even a small amount of change in climate creates large consequences. However, the other reason for green energy is energy independence and compared to coal plants and the millions of gallons of gasoline we use every year, nuclear power would be very "green energy". It's distinguished mentally-challenged how this country hates the idea of nuclear waste but has no problem with coal waste dams.
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Has it been proven that climate change is caused be humans? I dont think so.
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Has it been proven that climate change is caused be humans? I dont think so.
it's obviously not caused by people
it's caused by the catholics and their pope
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ToxicAdam has lured FlameOfCallandor to his side. Bail out!
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FlameCallonor is the opposite of a king-maker in any discussion
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TA, even a small amount of change in climate creates large consequences.
This is true, but this planet has million of years of "large consequences" that have already occurred. What makes the drought of 1930's different than a drought that would happen today? Guess which event would be blamed by man-made Global Warming? What makes the warming of 400 years ago (incidently, about the same temperature as today) different than the warming of today? Yes, in both incidents there would be more emissions in the air .. but, as of now, they could be only coincidental happenstances.
It was theorized that these increasingly warm years would cause more severe Hurricanes and Storms .. yet we have seen two straight years of below average activity. If this were a process we understood, it would be a relatively easy pattern to predict.
However, the other reason for green energy is energy independence and compared to coal plants and the millions of gallons of gasoline we use every year, nuclear power would be very "green energy". It's distinguished mentally-challenged how this country hates the idea of nuclear waste but has no problem with coal waste dams.
I don't think it should be any secret who has opposed nuclear power in America for the past 2 decades (post-Three Mile Island). Until the past few years, Democrats opposed its use by a 2-1 margin.
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Isn't it better to err on the side of caution?
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TA has a good point about Nuclear energy. We need to build more nuclear power plants.
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400 years ago? Really?
1600 is the Little Ice Age, which I'm sure also totally proves your point.
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Oh, hah .. obviously I was talking about the MWP. Which happened in/around the 1400's.
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I've been causing global warming with my super awesome farts. Sorry guys. :)