THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: tiesto on January 10, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
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Been reading this guy Roissy's blog a lot, he's one of these Internet type alpha male pickup artist folks that is probably very full of shit (see Forza) but his stuff is a fairly entertaining read. He had this quiz on dating market value I read and thought was fairly interesting.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/dating-market-value/ (http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/dating-market-value/)
I had a 6, which puts me in the realm of "classic beta". Gotta work on my actual dialog and conversational skills and try a bit better at acting naturally aloof and slightly jokey/cocky (I'm much better at this after I know a person, but with women you don't really get a chance, they either like you or they don't). I need to heed his words on banging fatties, that I shouldn't make a habit out of it :lol
How do you folks fare?
EDIT: fixed the link.
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Works now.
Is this one of those guys from the ''Seduction Community''?
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Lesser beta. You don’t immediately disgust girls; they just don’t notice you. With much painful effort you can redeem yourself.
:'(
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i was a 7.
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Hmm, I do not fare well. I'm damn near married anyway so fuck it. :P
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hey, post this at gaf, it would be hilarious
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This is like the dating market value for attracting hot, dumb chicks that'll likely leave you. :lol
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This is like the dating market value for attracting hot, dumb chicks that'll likely leave you. :lol
the blog author doesn't seem interested in relationships
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What's the point, then? Eff that noise!
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What's the point, then? Eff that noise!
He's one those ''get tons of poon'' guys. Like Ross Jeffries and their ilk.
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how can you have half the test consist of multiple choice one-liners? Yes, come up and drink tap water...that's exactly what I'd say! +1
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1 to 9: Classic beta. You catch some girls’ eyes, usually the ones you don’t want. Try not to make fatty fucking a lifestyle.
Sounds like Forza or Futami wrote this though, so it's rather irrelevent
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Someone got a negative score, didn't they?
Here be the real test:
Are you a virgin and over 21 years of age and/or out of college?
YES = YOU WILL NEVER GET LAID
NO = CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE NORMAL
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15 to 19: Congrats, you have crossed the alpha Rubicon. A lot of cute girls will be pleased when you hit on them. But you can still fuck up by being yourself.
cool? i think
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Someone got a negative score, didn't they?
Here be the real test:
Are you a virgin and over 21 years of age and/or out of college?
YES = YOU WILL NEVER GET LAID
NO = CONGRATULATIONS, YOU ARE NORMAL
:hyper woot!
I scored a 2.
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the drinky crow real-world dating quiz:
1. when a female approaches you in a casual social context, do you:
-1: visibly flinch and then blank her, pretending to be completely interested in a nearby article of furniture
0: look at your feet and mumble something you think might be funny but is in fact a total non-sequitur which could possibly be used against you in court if she dies under mysterious circumstances
+1: look her in the eye, nod in acknowledgment and smile, quietly acknowledging that we are all creatures of stupid ritual
+2: spew a line you remembered from a bad hugh grant romcom, making her insecure self titter
2. you are meeting a woman for the first time and are forced to make conversation. you:
-1: stare and say nothing. in your head, sirens are blaring, and it is possible your cheap slacks have a growing stain near the crotch
0: make deflective observational remarks about your environment
+1: recall a few icebreaker lines and say them, much to your own silent self-loathing
+2: say "BOOYAH!" loudly and do the curly shuffle, reminding the world that you're a fuckin' spectacle of an extrovert
3. you have, by dint of courage, luck, or kidnapping, managed to get a woman at your house in the evening-time. you:
-1: gibber on delightedly about your collection of nintendo tchotchkes and invite her to play the wii because "girls like it"
0: begin plying her and yourself with alcohol in the hopes of getting your fuck on free from the nattering voice of self-doubt
+1: realize that you both want to fuck. there is a rough segue into making out and then animal fucking. you aren't really sure how it came about, but all's well that ends well, motherfuckers!
+2: transition from a series of charming, painfully tailored anecdotes to the bedroom. "i make a good breakfast" is probably somewhere in there, which elicits insincere lolz from both of you. later, you post about this in your blog, which makes your friends hate you even more.
4: you discover that the woman you've been seeing is a fuckall rabid evangelical christian. she also has great tits. you:
-1: don't mind at all. hey, she not only talks to you, but she has allowed that kirby is potentially not satan's hellhound. besides, you like that she provides order to your life, usually in the form of shrieking missives to not bug her for sex. SHE HAS BOOBIES!
0: decide it can't go on like this, so you write her a Dear Jane letter over IM, and then proceed to fall off the grid for three months.
+1: deliver the news of your break-up over your regular lunch at qdoba. you feel like a fuckface for the next two weeks, until you stupidly schmooze up another wacko at an office party. rinse. repeat.
+2: fuck the jesus right out of her. all women are whores, be it for christ or you. better you than the Lord, amirite? u am!
5. a girl flirts with you on a messageboard. you:
-1: flood her with PMs about the Wii
+0: flood her with PMs about random nothing, hoping she'll respond with a romantic invitation
+1: never respond to her, hoping she'll find you "mysterious" and therefore interesting
+2: flood her with PMs containing pictures of your penis, some of which show said penis stuck in other female messageboard posters. also WHIP WHIP
Results!
-5 to -2: nintendo fanboy
-1 to 3: sony fanboy
4 to 7: microsoft fanboy
8 to 10: dating advice blogger
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:rofl :rofl
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:lol
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I scored SEVEN. I am a Microsoft fanboy!
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:rofl
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drinky wins :heart
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Drinky's test rules
I love that line about tap water. What the hell.
Also I got -1 for my Einsteinian IQ : (((
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Scored the same on Drinky's (amazing) test, looks like being an MS fanboy is the ideal spot to be in... Answering the C option for 4 is something I have actually done before (but at a different Mexican restaurant!).
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I got the same score on the first quiz and Drinky's.
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And I will soon fail Willco's quiz.
:'(
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That quiz is shit.
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Giggling out loud like an idiot at Prole's test
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I'm sad there isn't one for girls. :(
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i got straight zeroes on drinky's questions. which model PS3 should I buy?
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4
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I did a lot better in Drinky's quiz
I am a M$ fanboy!
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On the first quiz, I was a 4.
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btw, i met a new girl today omg
actually i've vaguely known her for a while but never really paid much attention. until I heard her mention she was studying category theory and foundations of mathematics! of course i immediately interposed myself between her and whatever loser was chatting her up and started a new conversation. i guess i must've come off too eager though, because shortly after I overheard her telling her friend "yeah I was talking to this guy, he always ignored me before but now he's suddenly acting like I'm super-attractive lolwtf" i dunno if that's a very bad sign or not. ??? but she does look awfully cute now. dunno why she never did before
but, later i think we hit it off reasonably well. she kept wanting to read funny "missed connection" ads from craigslist to me, which seems a somewhat hackneyed pastime since it appeared in ghostworld but amusing enough. maybe I'll see her again sometime.
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but, later i think we hit it off reasonably well. she kept wanting to read funny "missed connection" ads from craigslist to me, which seems a somewhat hackneyed pastime since it appeared in ghostworld but amusing enough. maybe I'll see her again sometime.
You need to relax and stop overthinking things.
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I'm sad there isn't one for girls. :(
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/dating-market-value-for-women/ (http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/dating-market-value-for-women/)
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but, later i think we hit it off reasonably well. she kept wanting to read funny "missed connection" ads from craigslist to me, which seems a somewhat hackneyed pastime since it appeared in ghostworld but amusing enough. maybe I'll see her again sometime.
You need to relax and stop overthinking things.
The ultimate quagmire the logic-driven computer scientist falls into... (I'm the same way)
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30 to 43: You are officially a nascent alpha female. A lot of quality guys will hit on you and you will be able to pick and choose at your leisure. But don’t push it. You’re not quite hot enough to string guys along forever.
Hahahahahahaha.
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I still think it's weird that they didn't ask anything about income in the female test. I'd imagine it's good to make a decent amount of money, but not too much, because lots of men would be threatened by a woman who makes more than they do.
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Men don't really care how much money women make, and that's a common misconception. Men feel uncomfortable around women who make a lot of money and constantly shove the fact that they make a lot of money in their face (usually with a bit about how they should make more money).
HEY, LOOK AT THIS STUFF I BOUGHT THAT YOU CANNOT AFFORD ON YOUR MODEST INCOME, YOU DIRTY POOR. MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET A BETTER PAYING JOB. WHAT? WHAT DID I SAY? YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS OF MY WEALTH! GLASS CEILING SUPPORTER! GET OUT OF MY MANSION!
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Men's priorities:
1. Looks
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99. Looks
100. Not a total twat
101. Everything else
Income is not important at all!
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Malek would bang a homeless chick.
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Homeless women are not lookers.
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Beggars can't be choosers!
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Beggars can't be choosers!
You'd think so, but here I am. This beggar chooses to shun beggars.
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I can't wait to see Malek, desperate for cash, in the adult film Beggars on Beggars.
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I'm not desperate for cash! :maf
The movie won't be shot on a matress lying on the floor covered in redskin sheets.
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btw, i met a new girl today omg
actually i've vaguely known her for a while but never really paid much attention. until I heard her mention she was studying category theory and foundations of mathematics! of course i immediately interposed myself between her and whatever loser was chatting her up and started a new conversation. i guess i must've come off too eager though, because shortly after I overheard her telling her friend "yeah I was talking to this guy, he always ignored me before but now he's suddenly acting like I'm super-attractive lolwtf" i dunno if that's a very bad sign or not. ??? but she does look awfully cute now. dunno why she never did before
but, later i think we hit it off reasonably well. she kept wanting to read funny "missed connection" ads from craigslist to me, which seems a somewhat hackneyed pastime since it appeared in ghostworld but amusing enough. maybe I'll see her again sometime.
Man don't you just hate that; you find out a girls smart and suddenly she has a new face and slightly bigger breasts.
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The movie won't be shot on a matress lying on the floor covered in redskin sheets.
I beg to differ.
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The movie won't be shot on a matress lying on the floor covered in redskin sheets.
I beg to differ.
Sorry, I'd rather have Shake film the movie!
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I bet you would.
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I bet you would.
It would be a whopper of a film.
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I just think you get off on the idea of Miles Trahan: Amateur Voyeur!
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I just think you get off on the idea of Miles Trahan: Amateur Voyeur!
I just think he has the talent to write porno scripts.
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Men don't really care how much money women make, and that's a common misconception. Men feel uncomfortable around women who make a lot of money and constantly shove the fact that they make a lot of money in their face (usually with a bit about how they should make more money).
I find women who make a lot of money tend to be fun to be around, at least if they're producers in the CG animation industry and I meet them at a bar.
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That seems very specific. :lol
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Women who fit the above description and are also in their early thirties and also like to take me to other bars and make me hit on all the cute girls there tend to be even more fun! Twisted, but fun.
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Men don't really care about how much a woman makes.
Hell, the more money she makes the better. That way she can pay her share of the tab, give me expensive gifts, and not have to hear about how poor she is, yet buys a daily $5 latte at Starbucks.
The whole "men don't want women making more than them" is something you find in a poorly written sitcom or a poorly thought out Catharine MacKinnon tirade.
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yeah, i only wish my wife made more than me -- then i'd be RICH RICH RICH RICH RICH RICH
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I think the people on Roissy's blog (and Roissy himself) see career-oriented women as very shrewd and not very "feminine" in the traditional definition of the word (i.e. patriarchal households where the man is the breadwinner and women stay home to tend for the kids, cook and clean).
Personally, I wouldn't mind a woman that makes more than me, I could live with being the stay-at-home dad I think... Do a bit of cleaning, then spend the rest of the day playing video games and learning how to cook assorted ethnic cuisine, would be awesome methinks.
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I think the people on Roissy's blog (and Roissy himself) see career-oriented women as very shrewd and not very "feminine" in the traditional definition of the word (i.e. patriarchal households where the man is the breadwinner and women stay home to tend for the kids, cook and clean).
Personally, I wouldn't mind a woman that makes more than me, I could live with being the stay-at-home dad I think... Do a bit of cleaning, then spend the rest of the day playing video games and learning how to cook assorted ethnic cuisine, would be awesome methinks.
My opinion about Roissy and the like is that they all watched too much Fight Club and read The Red Queen and believe that this kind of stuff is rigidly defined. Once its the real world and there are bills that need to be paid, they might have to swallow the bullet that their significant other needs to join the workforce.
I don't really see the possibility of a stay home Dad or Mom in the future. I don't even know how it is possible now unless you got a nice inheritance or your spouse is a senior executive that makes six figures while living in a low cost of living area. That or live a working class lifestyle of living paycheck to paycheck.
Then again, I never intend to get married. If I want kids, I can adopt.
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I think the people on Roissy's blog (and Roissy himself) see career-oriented women as very shrewd and not very "feminine" in the traditional definition of the word (i.e. patriarchal households where the man is the breadwinner and women stay home to tend for the kids, cook and clean).
Personally, I wouldn't mind a woman that makes more than me, I could live with being the stay-at-home dad I think... Do a bit of cleaning, then spend the rest of the day playing video games and learning how to cook assorted ethnic cuisine, would be awesome methinks.
My opinion about Roissy and the like is that they all watched too much Fight Club and read The Red Queen and believe that this kind of stuff is rigidly defined. Once its the real world and there are bills that need to be paid, they might have to swallow the bullet that their significant other needs to join the workforce.
I don't really see the possibility of a stay home Dad or Mom in the future. I don't even know how it is possible now unless you got a nice inheritance or your spouse is a senior executive that makes six figures while living in a low cost of living area. That or live a working class lifestyle of living paycheck to paycheck.
Then again, I never intend to get married. If I want kids, I can adopt.
It all depends on how materialistic one is. My brother is married, has 2 kids (another on the way) and makes around $40k a year but does alright. Not much of course, but he and his wife really don't spend much on themselves.
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yeah, i only wish my wife made more than me -- then i'd be RICH RICH RICH RICH RICH RICH
You just say, "EH...WOMAN! GET TO WORKIN HO!.....I LOVE YOU BITCH!" Then give her an affirmative slap on the ass to back up your statement of love and put that new uber comp on the credit card. :)
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well, roissy's blog targets the insecure in general; otherwise, why go to a blog for personal advice? of course his content is going to be tailored to those who want affirmative, black-and-white proof of their social viability and/or superiority. on the other hand, his blog (and himself) seem to retread a lot of things and have repeat (read: serial) readers, which must mean that his advice isn't terribly effective in this hilarious nuanced environment we call "the real world". not that i doubt he -- or his advocates -- gets pussy! there's plenty of women who want some social dogma to define their interactions, just like men! isn't life so much easier when you convince yourself that everybody agrees with what you believe, especially when your beliefs validate your jackoff shallow by-the-book-and-buy-the-book approach to life? i know it helps me, fegs!
roissy teaches the easily exploited to exploit other easily exploited folks, which results in a giant gruesome circlejerk the select few with a strong sense of self should probably stay out of, lest they find themselves in roissy's pivot man role.
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Gah, I just read some of the front page of Roissy's blog. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Also, the market value thing was funnier when it was called Ladder Theory and written with tongue-in-cheek bitterness, rather than bowdlerized street wisdom. In my head, the quiz was being read by the voices of Johnny Drama and Turtle.
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I go to the blog for the regulars, they're a total cast of characters.
David Alexander - the blog's PD, a black guy from the suburbs (I think he might have even mentioned Long Island) who is a chronic virgin
Gannon - dude from Argentina who is into anime, videogames, and young girls (bet you didn't see that one coming!)
Peter - loves hairy snatch (:bow :bow :bow)
Dizzy and M Bradwell - women who frequently disagree with Roissy on the aspects of his blog, but always coming back
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All 5 of those people are roissy.
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I seemingly exist outside the realm of this whole market value deal. Most of the options don't fit. I will admit that when I see guys do all the things that are +points, it normally repulses me and that has to be worth lots of negative points.
For example, I am at the coffee house studying. Two attractive girls come and sit by the table next to me to study as well. Now, they aren't sitting next to me because they want me, they just chose a table near the window like I did and really aren't here to pick up anyone. Soon enough, three boys come over, pull up chairs surrounding the girls and start talking to them. In pop pickup lines, extroversion outbursts, bad jokes and various relaxed exaggerated poses to look cool. About 10 minutes in, the girls quit studying early and leave, walking past the barrier of wolves. I give the guys a disappointed look, because they have basically robbed the room of free eye candy by being alpha fails.
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the test for the women is severely skewed (not surprising, since it was written by a man).
take this question for example:
29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point
Say nothing: 0 points
Look surprised and stifle a laugh: -1 point
choose number 3, and you lose points.
obviously the guy who made this quiz has a tiny schlong. a girl who prefers big cocks doesn't make her any less desirable to a man who has a big cock!
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that question doesnt specify whether he's limp or erect, either
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any of those lines roissy has i would never say. I'd never feel comfortable saying any of them to come off genuine. Seriously I don't understand this about some people, are they that insecure that they have to act like someone else to make themselves feel comfortable?
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All 5 of those people are roissy.
Wouldn't doubt it, to be honest.
Most of these dating experts, once they reach a certain level of popularity, begin putting out books, e-books, audio discs, video seminars, and dating seminars (which can cost into the thousands of dollars for just a weekend). The dating coach arena is nothing but a hustle to take advantage of rich but socially inept nerds.
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Seriously I don't understand this about some people, are they that insecure that they have to act like someone else to make themselves feel comfortable?
Yup, they really are. I speak from experience as a fairly insecure individual, and I know others who are even more insecure than myself who have fallen hook line and sinker into the PUA industry. They buy (or pirate) all the PUA handbooks and DVDs and will do anything they can to get a heads up in the dating game.
For myself, being the slightly awkward, average looking music/game nerd who sucks with flirting hasn't worked very well for me. Out of all the girls I've hooked up with, only one would be considered anything worth looking at. And I've been on more dates in '07 through Match than most people have been on in their whole lives... seriously last year I was going out with different girls maybe once or twice a week, and only about 5% of them I made it to a second date with. Makes it seem like "just being yourself" is the wrong thing to do.
The main things I've taken from all the PUA guides I read are:
1. Don't come across as whiny and insecure
2. Confidence is essential
3. Always keep them guessing and on their toes
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I'd be happy with a woman that made more money than me. I'd deal with her being a cunt on the change i might get a free ride.
STAY AT HOME DAD
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In pop pickup lines, extroversion outbursts,
How can an "extroversion outburst" pop "in"? Maybe you'd have more luck with women if you stopped mixing your metaphors!
"alpha fails" is cute though.
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1. Don't come across as whiny and insecure
strike one
2. Confidence is essential
strike two
3. Always keep them guessing and on their toes
I don't know what that even means.
STRIKE THREE!