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Title: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: border on January 15, 2008, 12:57:17 AM
Finally caught this year's indie darling today.

If Wes Anderson, Zach Braff, Buffy, and Veronica Mars had some kind of twisted four-way sex, their distinguished mentally-challenged offspring would be Juno (both character and the film).  Anderson's style.....except overdone.  Braff's incessant "namedropping for indie cred".....even more overdone (if you thought "This Shins song will change your life" was bad, there are some real winners here).  Combine that with the spunky, smarmy beyond-their-years heroines of Joss Whedon and Rob Thomas (minus the heart) and you have Juno.  She walks through a fairly serious situation with a snotty, cavalier nature that is more alienating than endearing, and even as she destroys people's lives she doesn't experience much more than selfish remorse.

I also tend to worry about this film's moral influence as well......something that rarely bothers me outside of Sex and The City.  I guess the silver lining around the Writer's Strike is that the shine on Cody Diablo may fade long before Hollywood is in a position to buy/produce anymore of her work.

Anyhow, Drinky Crow already called it -- Garden State 2007.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 01:02:08 AM
Gay Boy is biting his pillow right now as PD roughly penetrates him from behind.  A small part of his heart breaks inside as he thinks about this review.  His beloved Juno, trashed on Evilbore.  A tear falls onto his cheek.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2008, 01:03:23 AM
He's been trying to make me see it. Apparently Shake kinda liked it enough to give it an 8/10. Hm  :-\
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 01:05:22 AM
Tell him you'll go see it if he buys the popcorn and takes you to dinner afterward.  Tell him to make you feel special.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2008, 01:07:50 AM
I'm still waiting for him to grow some balls so we can join the College Democrats club and wreck havoc  :lol
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 01:12:35 AM
That would be pretty cool, but he's too calculating to join the College Democrats.  He probably wants his political affiliations to be a bit secret in case he ever decides to go work for the government in some capacity.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2008, 01:26:20 AM
Juno is super twee at parts (the first two scenes had me TERRIFIED that the rest of the movie was going to be like that), but I gotta defend the name-dropping of the bands.  It's ultimately used for characterization (Juno = naive, Bateman = aging hipster) rather than just "they're awesome cause they like stuff I like".

It's not a bad movie, though I'm sort of stunned that people like Ebert (not a towering intellect, at least a professional film reviewer) are heaping accolades on it.  The indie comedy should be well enough established as a genre that Juno wouldn't surprise anyone into thinking it was great.

Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 15, 2008, 01:26:41 AM
anything that says its dialogue is all witty n fast n shit, fuck that
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Himu on January 15, 2008, 01:27:54 AM
I like it okay.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: TVC15 on January 15, 2008, 02:32:24 AM
I'll give it a shot, but I am expecting suckitude.  I have heard random teeanagers fawning about it on the bus twice now, which is a pretty sure sign that something blows ass.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 15, 2008, 02:36:17 AM
i can't abide anything that makes teenagers -- the very scum of existence -- seem more intelligent than they are. conversely, i will praise any movie that portrays them as miserable bleating beasts fit only for drudgery and beatings.

when a teenager is permitted to attend a movie, it should be for one reason: to be reminded of their shame, and to likewise be reminded that penitence is their duty
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: TVC15 on January 15, 2008, 02:39:28 AM
My philosophy is that if a movie does not feature teenagers being dehumanized and forced to eat feces, it probably isn't a very accurate depiction of what young people's lives should be like.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2008, 03:18:45 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 15, 2008, 02:39:28 AM
My philosophy is that if a movie does not feature teenagers being dehumanized and forced to eat feces, it probably isn't a very accurate depiction of what young people's lives should be like.

I'm normally against coprophagia in film, but I suppose even I would make an exception for this particular occasion.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:13:14 AM
Diablo Cody :heart
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/diablocody/Photo43.jpg)

Too bad Megan Fox is starring in her next movie. Megan Fox can't act!
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:17:22 AM
that's ok, Diablo Cody can't write!
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:17:22 AM
that's ok, Diablo Cody can't write!
She is going to win the best original screenplay Oscar. :)
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:19:53 AM
Quote from: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:17:22 AM
that's ok, Diablo Cody can't write!
She is going to win the best original screenplay Oscar. :)

oh, honey.

you're so cute right now.  don't ever change.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:19:53 AM
Quote from: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:17:22 AM
that's ok, Diablo Cody can't write!
She is going to win the best original screenplay Oscar. :)

oh, honey.

you're so cute right now.  don't ever change.
Uh I am dead serious. She has very little competition for that oscar. She is easily the front runner for it. Who would she lose to? There is no original movie  (no coutry, there will be blood are adapations) that even come close to  the popularity amongst the hollywood elite that Juno gets.

A good oscar watch site tracks every category and ranks them based on how many awards they have gotten so far:
Screenplay, Original
1. Diablo Cody, “Juno” (NBR**, WDCFCA, CFCA, SA, BFCA, GG*, WFCC, DFWFCA, SFC, AWFJ, PFCS, SDFC, AFCA, TFCA***, FFCC, UFCA***, LVFCS, SLGFC, OFCS, HFCS, KCFC, WGA*, COFC)
2. Tamara Jenkins, “The Savages” (ISA*, LAFCA, SFFC, SFC***, NSFC, WGA*, COFC***)
3. Tony Gilroy, “Michael Clayton” (BFCA*, TFCA***, WGA*)
3. Nancy Oliver, “Lars And The Real Girl” (NBR**, BFCA*, WGA*)
5. Brad Bird, “Ratatouille” (AA*, BSFC)

Juno blows away everything else.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
Ignore Gay Boy.  He truly is pathetic.  He hides his Lord of the Rings and Star Trek DVDs when friends come over so as not to ruin his hipster image.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2008, 10:26:51 AM
no, no.  i don't doubt that it would win

but the oscars are not a measure of quality.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
Ignore Gay Boy.  He truly is pathetic.  He hides his Lord of the Rings and Star Trek DVDs when friends come over so as not to ruin his hipster image.
I keep them hidden 24-7.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
Right next to your stash of big black cock porn, I know.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:30:38 AM
Internet is my outlet to let loose my geekier interests. I keep that stuff bottled up and hidden for the past 10 years of my life in reality.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 10:34:35 AM
Again, you're pathetic.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Barry Egan on January 15, 2008, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 10:13:14 AM
Diablo Cody :heart
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/diablocody/Photo43.jpg)

Too bad Megan Fox is starring in her next movie. Megan Fox can't act!

It says so much when every time criticism for this movie comes up you pop in with a new picture of Diablo Cody doing something with attitude.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Tauntaun on January 15, 2008, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 15, 2008, 02:36:17 AM
i can't abide anything that makes teenagers -- the very scum of existence -- seem more intelligent than they are. conversely, i will praise any movie that portrays them as miserable bleating beasts fit only for drudgery and beatings.

when a teenager is permitted to attend a movie, it should be for one reason: to be reminded of their shame, and to likewise be reminded that penitence is their duty

:heartbeat  I love you.

Quote from: TVC 15 on January 15, 2008, 02:39:28 AM
My philosophy is that if a movie does not feature teenagers being dehumanized and forced to eat feces, it probably isn't a very accurate depiction of what young people's lives should be like.

:heartbeat  I love you too.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 15, 2008, 01:02:56 PM
Post more Diablo Cody please.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2008, 01:15:59 PM
The more I look at Junpei's avatar=the more I think she's pretty wtf. oh god yes

Cheebs post the nudes you claimed you found of Cody
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Robo on January 15, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
Cody was a stripper and a call girl for several years.  I'd be surprised if there were no nudies to speak of.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 15, 2008, 02:31:36 PM
Garden State has made me reluctant to check out indie teen comedies.  Unless it is universal in praise, I won't be bothering with this one.

Besides, I'm just wondering if people like the movie for what it is or just because Michael Cera is in it.

If Cody is a call girl, there are guaranteed nudes of her.  Let the internet do its thing, we'll be seeing them soon enough.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Bloodwake on January 15, 2008, 02:47:59 PM
It's good, but it's not like film of the year or anything. Much better than last year's indie comedy darling Little Miss Sunshine.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2008, 03:52:47 PM
I'm waiting for the TVC review, but I will probably never see this movie.  Writer looks like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow too.
Quote from: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 10:34:35 AM
Again, you're pathetic.
seriously, who hides their fucking hobbies from their friends?
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Gay Boy on January 15, 2008, 04:26:02 PM
There are nudes of the writer on the internet. She even uploaded one herself.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 15, 2008, 04:28:40 PM
Then post em! I pirated Juno,she just took off her panties  :o
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 15, 2008, 05:19:50 PM
I don't know, I didn't think it was as bad as Garden State.  The way I see it is that if there's a time in your life where you're supposed to be overly dramatic about everything, it's when you're a teenager.  I found the overly precocious dialog to be more obnoxious.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2008, 05:33:15 PM
When I was watching Juno, I was like
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/tomcruiselaugh.gif)

but reading this thread kinda makes me
(http://www.evilbore.com/images/tomcruiseretard.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: GilloD on January 15, 2008, 06:54:07 PM
I like Juno plenty, but like Asssaassin's Creed, it's the worst thing I have nothing bad to say about. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE the way Mark's character was dealt with. Instead of starting a serious discussion on identity and growing up and reconciling yourself with yourself they just go OH NO HES ROCK N ROLL CANT HOLD HIM DOWN. And not enough Mikey Cera.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Ichirou on January 15, 2008, 07:55:27 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Raggedy_Ann_%26_Andy_-_Project_Gutenberg_eText_17371.jpg)
"Nobody makes fun of my hair in real life you guyyyys"
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: FancyFeast on January 22, 2008, 12:31:36 AM
Yea, it stunk.  That actress is a joke.  The only good parts were when she barely spoke in the scene.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 22, 2008, 12:41:16 AM
Juno: A Comedy... For Smarmy Teenagers!
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: FancyFeast on January 22, 2008, 12:52:00 AM
Quote from: Willco on January 22, 2008, 12:41:16 AM
Juno: A Comedy... For Smarmy Teenagers!

SMARM!!  That was the word I was trying to think of on the drive home.  Thx...
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Shuri on January 22, 2008, 12:58:09 AM
are the dialogs in Juno similar to the ones in Gilmore Girls? Holy fuck was that show the most annoying thing on earth.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Candyflip on January 22, 2008, 01:03:34 AM
It could have been worse but it wasn't great by any means. There was so much namedropping at points that entire scenes probably could have been removed and no one would notice. "OMG U GOT A GUITAR NO WAI? OMG U LIKE THAT BAND ME TOO! LISTEN TO THIS CD OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG"
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: FancyFeast on January 22, 2008, 01:52:44 AM
Quote from: dcharlie on January 22, 2008, 01:32:39 AM
It's 4 days since I've seen Juno and it was just a bit of a *shrug* film.

It wasn't massively offensive, but neither did i feel entertained.

I raised one smile and that was at the "and i listened to that Sonic Youth CD..." comment, but beyond that...

Also , outside of the one Belle and Seb. track (even that isn't one of the better B+S tracks) i found the soundtrack annoying...

... is that irrational? it just bugged the crap out of me.





It had 2 Belle and Sebastian songs.  Admit you are a filth.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2008, 10:29:36 AM
Ok I recently watched There Will Be Blood, Once and Juno. I kind of watch my movies in bunches when I'm in the mood.

As for Juno, I have to agree with Mandark that the band name dropping and such was annoying, but it is on for that type of character. Someone reaching that hard to be cool that they go outside their generation of music or status quo to show off, naively thinking that is what its all about.

I didn't hate the movie at all. The banter did annoy me and I am not sure teenagers really talk like that, but it sets Juno's too cool for school attitude up for a great pitfall when the reality of adult life hits.  Actually, the serious parts of the film, the dramatic parts were way better than the comedic parts. Thundercats Ho did make me laugh though.

On the downside, I don't think they showed the reality of Pregnancy with Juno and that her behavior doesn't change. There would be shitstorms of emotional mood swings in reality.  Also, the movie has quite a negative portrayal of males. A boyfriend who takes no part in the pregnancy and an overgrown boyman who leaves his wife and hits on a sixteen year old.
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on May 01, 2008, 11:54:17 AM
Quote
when the reality of adult life hits

What part of the movie did this happen?
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2008, 10:00:51 PM
I hate spoiler tags but

spoiler (click to show/hide)
When she's told that the father to be of her child is leaving the mother to be and her little friendly hopping around suddenly runs her into the reality of unhappy marriages, crushing her little ideal dream of the cool guy married to the nice woman living the hipster marriage.
[close]
Title: Re: Ugggggh......Juno was pretty wretched
Post by: Prost on May 01, 2008, 11:03:49 PM
Juno was a good movie, the girl was funny.