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Title: Evilbore's views on piracy?
Post by: Ichirou on January 27, 2008, 08:03:55 PM
Just curious what the consensus on the Bore regarding piracy is, after my discussion with Himu.
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Post by: Powerslave on January 27, 2008, 08:05:35 PM
option 2
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 27, 2008, 08:10:22 PM
I went with option three. I download unlicensed anime (Gundam 00) and buy it when it's released here. However, I do import unlicensed music and games from Europe and Japan.

Overall, I'm anti-piracy, even though I download my weekly Gundam 00 fansub.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 27, 2008, 08:10:49 PM
I'm poor. 
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 27, 2008, 08:11:38 PM
If I really like something, I will support it.
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Post by: Himu on January 27, 2008, 08:12:06 PM
Option 2. I only pirate music and anime. If they're good I'll buy them. However, if I really really like something, like Radiohead...I already know I don't need to pirate in order to know it's good, I'll like it either way.
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Post by: Powerslave on January 27, 2008, 08:13:26 PM
^ya same
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Post by: Himu on January 27, 2008, 08:14:32 PM
Yeah there are some things I'll dl and I like but not enough to the point where I'd buy it!
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Post by: Vizzys on January 27, 2008, 08:15:52 PM
usually 2/3, most of the time I never get around to spending my money on the stuff I get later tho

Anime wise I download fansubs pretty often, hellsing ultimate for instance takes months to get here after being released in japan and the fansubs are out in a week otherwise Id have to wait even longer

geneon is fucked now so they might not come at all

as for other stuff yeah Im an evil pirate mostly
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 27, 2008, 08:22:44 PM
Option 3.

I hardly ever pirate stuff anymore, but I did recently download a bunch of DVD screeners for movies that weren't playing around here, as well as the entire MST3K series, most of which still isn't out on DVD.
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Post by: Shins on January 27, 2008, 08:27:57 PM
Between 1 and 2, though not for moral reasons. Downloading music is such a simple task at this point that its my standard practice, and I rarely if ever dole out money after the fact. Games are a more complicated process, so I never got into that. Same with movies. I assume that if I never took the time to become more efficient or knowledgeable about pirating, I would never pay for anything.

No excuses for it. I do what I do because I can.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 27, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
Yeah there are some things I'll dl and I like but not enough to the point where I'd buy it!

Yarrr.
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Post by: demi on January 27, 2008, 08:33:18 PM
I don't pirate, it's morally wrong
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Post by: Beezy on January 27, 2008, 08:38:36 PM
I'll continue to pirate music and anime until I get a job that pays well. I've never pirated a movie or TV show before.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 27, 2008, 08:40:24 PM
I have about 700gigs of video, lol.  Most of it is either television not available on DVD, or things not readily available in America.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 27, 2008, 08:41:26 PM
I pirate as often as possible.  Especially when my friend's mother goes to China and comes back with Photoshop CS3 for $10.

I don't pretend that I'm some revolutionary that feels that all information deserves to be free.  Personally, I'd rather buy bootleg software from a Chinese merchant who will buy a bag of grain than buy the $700 Photoshop suite where most of the money goes to marketing, fancy box art work, and enough money to land on the CEO's desk so he can buy fake tits for his 18 year old mistress called Kandi or Eva or whatever.

I'm a fucking humanitarian.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 27, 2008, 08:44:58 PM
Also, 1080p Star Wars?  Only through the magic of piracy.  We'll be lucky if Lucas even CONSIDERS an official HD release in the next 5 years.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 27, 2008, 08:45:42 PM
With new shit I'll try it out and if I like it I will purchase it from a fine online retailer and have it shipped to my beachside domicile. 

With older shit, tho, like previous gen games, I will pirate the everliving fuck out of it.  Most of the time it's shit I bought for the Genesis or snes anyhow.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 27, 2008, 08:46:46 PM
I don't pirate, it's morally wrong

demi is Evilbore's moral compass. :bow
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Post by: Beezy on January 27, 2008, 08:49:29 PM
With older shit, tho, like previous gen games, I will pirate the everliving fuck out of it.  Most of the time it's shit I bought for the Genesis or snes anyhow.
Oh yeah, I forgot about games. All old stuff will get pirated. I don't pirate new games, but I think that will change when I get a PSP.
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Post by: demi on January 27, 2008, 08:51:32 PM
All old stuff will get pirated.

Stop buying VC games
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Post by: Powerslave on January 27, 2008, 08:52:38 PM
Bandwith exceeded, upgrade to Pro today!
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Post by: Beezy on January 27, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
All old stuff will get pirated.

Stop buying VC games
I tried Sin & Punishment on a PC and it's unplayable. I bought Beyond Oasis because I had 800 points left over.
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 27, 2008, 09:08:40 PM
Combo of 2/3. I'm a bit of a poor atm so I don't buy as much crap as I ought to.  :-*
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 27, 2008, 09:10:14 PM
Along with it being morally wrong, I'm too lazy to seek out pirated materials online and then download them. I'd rather just to go a store or website and give someone money to buy the real thing.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 27, 2008, 09:10:50 PM
Also, there was no fucking way I was paying money for What the Bleep Do We Know or that fucking Master of Disguise movie.
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Post by: Powerslave on January 27, 2008, 09:13:23 PM
what the bleep was such a shitty failed wannabe smart movie. I felt like punching that dumb woman in the face the entire time
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Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2008, 09:13:53 PM
i only pirate what isn't freely available

like old comics
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 27, 2008, 09:15:21 PM
i believe it's morally wrong, but i do little morally wrong things every day, so what the hey. i buy all my games, movies, and music -- eventually -- but if something is unavailable in a conveniently purchasable format (meaning i don't need to jump through a ridiculous number of hoops or pay an obscene ebay price to procure it), or if it is something that i intend to purchase when released, i'll pirate the hell out of it.

or, as tvc said, it's something i'd NEVER pay for, but want to listen to/view/play so i can mock it on the intarweb.
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Post by: Himu on January 27, 2008, 09:18:06 PM
Oh yeah. I have never payed for a copy of photoshop or illustrator ever.

arrrr!!
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 27, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
Oh yeah. I have never payed for a copy of photoshop or illustrator ever.

Congratulations. You and a million other people on the internets.
Title: Re: Evilbore's views on piracy?
Post by: Ichirou on January 27, 2008, 09:50:25 PM
I had to leave to go to the doctor's office so I didn't get a chance to fill in my option, which was 3.  I admit that I d/l stuff that would otherwise be unavailable to me (for example, fansubs of really old anime like Ideon and Dancougar, or stuff that will likely never see R1 release like Turn A Gundam).  If something is available in Region 1, though, I WILL buy it.  I also refuse to pirate games, since I basically live in the gaming mecca of the world.

That said, if/when Ideon, Dancougar, and Turn A become available on R1 DVD, I am there.  I'm a collecting whore.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 27, 2008, 09:57:25 PM
The only games I really pirate are PS1 games, the majority of which I probably already purchased in the past.

If there's a PSP game I want, and it leaks before release, I will pirate it and then buy it when it is available.  The last few PSP purchases I have made are still in their wrapping, actually.  If it's a shit PSP game I am playing to see how terrible it is (re: Brooktown High), I won't pay for it.  You don't get the money if I want to play your game for purely ironic purposes.
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on January 27, 2008, 10:13:22 PM
For gaming, I tend to only pirate PSP games. Playing a game (ISO) through your memory stick just has too many advantages (shorter and faster load times, saves battery life, easier to swap games, etc.). I usually purchase DS titles, but I sometimes download roms to try before I buy.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 28, 2008, 01:39:27 AM
I dunno, I weirdly feel sorry for Sony regarding the PSP (they actually made a quality portable and it's like they're being punished for it by the fans who pirate everything), so I have bought tons and tons of PSP games.
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Post by: Mupepe on January 28, 2008, 01:53:31 AM
I dunno, I weirdly feel sorry for Sony regarding the PSP (they actually made a quality portable and it's like they're being punished for it by the fans who pirate everything), so I have bought tons and tons of PSP games.
QFT

Perfect fucking handheld and Sony is getting fucked over on it.

I really try not to download anything, but the temptation is way too great.  I buy things that I love though and I don't pirate games unless they're old and I can't find them.

Music seems to be my biggest problem.   :-\  Although I definitely buy the cd if I really like it because the volume/quality sucks too much when I download it most times.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 28, 2008, 02:00:04 AM
I just use iTunes so I never pirate music.
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Post by: drew on January 28, 2008, 02:16:15 AM
I'd pirate everything if it was easy enough.  I steal all my music, buy games (although I feel I'm being raped), and watch movies on joox all the time.

I really really wish I knew someone who pirated 360 games.
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Post by: Bloodwake on January 28, 2008, 02:36:54 AM
ARRR MATEYS

I SAIL ON THE SS PIRATE SHIT

LOOK, AN ALBUM, LOAD ME UP WITH RUM AN' LETS PIRATE IT ARRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: Evilbore's views on piracy?
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 02:39:48 AM
I dunno, I weirdly feel sorry for Sony regarding the PSP (they actually made a quality portable and it's like they're being punished for it by the fans who pirate everything), so I have bought tons and tons of PSP games.

Actually, not at all.  Look at it this way:  Sony has been trying to get their shitty, shitty memory stick format to take off for almost a decade.  What was the thing that finally made it so memory sticks are ALWAYS sold out at my local Circuit City?  Yep.

Sony makes bank on the systems, and they make EVEN MORE on the memory stick market.  Sony could have squashed the homebrew market by now, but they really have little reason to.  I think anyone with half a brain knows that nothing on the PSP is going to be a sales legend.  Piracy *is* their market.
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Post by: Vizzys on January 28, 2008, 02:40:42 AM
I'd pirate everything if it was easy enough.  I steal all my music, buy games (although I feel I'm being raped), and watch movies on joox all the time.

I really really wish I knew someone who pirated 360 games.

you can find people selling backups for 5-7$ each on sell.com
thats an option if you want to fuel the pirates
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Post by: Ecrofirt on January 28, 2008, 02:42:15 AM
There's certain things I'll pirate without any regard, and there are certain things I'd never pirate.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 28, 2008, 02:57:42 AM
Feel sorry for Sony so buy original PSP games?
How about feeling sorry for those cokeheads who have their asses raped in porno movies? Buy their shit instead :P

Gay Boy doesn't deserve my sympathy.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 03:18:04 AM
Also, ripping a DVD you bought for someone is not piracy.  It is recycling.
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Post by: xnikki118x on January 28, 2008, 03:37:40 AM
I'm between the first and second option. I'm not going to refrain from buying anything forever, but I also don't buy everything I like either.

I own all the Hanson albums, the majority of my Billy Joel albums are legit, but probably half of my Less Than Jake discography is burned. Everything I have from Something Corporate, Jack's Mannequin, and Reel Big Fish is burned. I love all those bands.

I have all the Grey's seasons on DVD, but my season 2 was on DVD-R's for a long time until Ecro got me the legal version for my birthday. None of my Star Wars movies are legal copies, and though I FUCKING LOVE them, I don't plan to buy legal copies.

I'd might buy more legit CDs if I had more disposable income, but the artists really don't get that money anyway. I'd probably sooner spend the money on t-shirts or concert tickets, which the band sees more profit on anyway.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 28, 2008, 03:39:55 AM
Don't feed the Lucasfilm machine until it releases remastered versions of the un-fucked-with original trilogy!

Praise nikki!
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Post by: xnikki118x on January 28, 2008, 05:43:22 AM
Don't feed the Lucasfilm machine until it releases remastered versions of the un-fucked-with original trilogy!

Praise nikki!

When I saw that you had responded, I thought you were going to make fun of my music. I'm glad you didn't, AND I'm glad for this AWESOME STATEMENT.

The other day, my best friend told me that she thinks the Greedo shooting first thing adds to Han's badass character. WTF IS THAT.
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Post by: brawndolicious on January 28, 2008, 05:57:55 AM
I've pirated TV shows but I just got a DVR and now it's really easy to record what I want.  It's like going into a supermarket where everything is free..after a week.  While torrents are like going to a flea market where there's a guy with bad english who you're having trouble understanding if he has exactly what you want and how fast he can get it.  it's the same same shit, but with different sacrifices.

For music, I honestly don't pirate that much since I'm not into listening to music by itself very much for some reason.  For movies and TV shows, I have pirated a lot that I would consider worth renting but I buy the ones that I would buy if I didn't have access to torrents.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 28, 2008, 06:22:38 AM
Lucas is a fucking dick. "Oh, hey, you guys really want the unfucked OT? Here ya go, I'll release it as a bonus on this limited DVD set - whups, too bad it's the same laserdisc transfer from 1993 and non-anamorphic!"

FUCK YOU LUCAS :maf

I bought the original OT set and I was totally gonna double dip on the new LE with the real original trilogy till I found out it was using shitty old masters and wasn't even anamorphic.
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Post by: Shuri on January 28, 2008, 07:11:27 AM
I read somewhere that a bunch of fans did their own awesome underground release of the original trilogy that was actually better than the legit retail release.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 28, 2008, 07:18:15 AM
TVC has it! 1080p versions of the OT!!! :o
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Post by: T-Short on January 28, 2008, 07:27:20 AM
Or maybe he meant the x0 project?

http://www.x0project.com/welcome.php (http://www.x0project.com/welcome.php)
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Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2008, 08:16:54 AM


 but probably half of my Less Than Jake discography is burned.


i've been listening to hello, rockview and losing streak over and over and over at work
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Post by: abrader on January 28, 2008, 11:10:12 AM
Piracy is absolutely disgusting and should not be tolerated.

As a previous recording artist and a supporter of the RIAA I say cease your evil ways!

No really - get a job or stop stealing and just take what you can afford.

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Post by: Powerslave on January 28, 2008, 11:15:45 AM
Feel sorry for Sony so buy original PSP games?
How about feeling sorry for those cokeheads who have their asses raped in porno movies? Buy their shit instead :P

omg I'm never downloading porn again  :(
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Post by: Shins on January 28, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
No really - get a job or stop stealing and just take what you can afford.

no
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Post by: abrader on January 28, 2008, 01:07:16 PM
^^ good luck then.

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Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 02:19:04 PM
Piracy is absolutely disgusting and should not be tolerated.

As a previous recording artist and a supporter of the RIAA I say cease your evil ways!

No really - get a job or stop stealing and just take what you can afford.

The RIAA is the only org I don't feel even a little pang of hurt about stealing from.  The retail music industry is so fucking crooked that it would require the equivalent of the French Revolution to make me consider buying a CD from a recording artist again.  Even worse, the RIAA's harmful pricing practices have even affected the price of non-RIAA CD prices, since record stores are aware they can mark up, say, Dischord releases to RIAA prices, and Johnny Record Buyer wouldn't notice.  Fuck the RIAA.  Steal from them.
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Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2008, 02:32:19 PM
dischord states the cost of the album from the discord site on each release

or at least they used to

so you could tell when someone was tacking on additional money
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Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 02:37:34 PM
dischord states the cost of the album from the discord site on each release

or at least they used to

so you could tell when someone was tacking on additional money

Back when I cared about such things, it was a blanket 10 bucks per CD, I think.

And I just checked, that still is the price.  And how many times has the price of major label CDs gone up in the past 17 years?  And Dischord not once?
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Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2008, 02:38:10 PM
it may still be

i don't really like a lot of the recent dischord catalog and have purchased all of the classics i want
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Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 02:41:49 PM
it may still be

i don't really like a lot of the recent dischord catalog and have purchased all of the classics i want

I think the last Dischord bands I liked were Q and not U, Faraquet, and of course The Evens.  I haven't even given them attention lately.  If Fugazi ever put out another album I would be on that day one, though.
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Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2008, 02:42:35 PM
fugazi is pretty much done for

if they get together for just a show it will be a small miracle
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Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
I guess it's kind of cool that they went out on a high note, but I want what comes next!  I do like The Evens material, and I like that it is very different than Fugazi, but I needs my rockin and rollin.
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Post by: abrader on January 28, 2008, 02:52:51 PM
I guess if you hate RIAA thats okay - they get alot of bad press.

Just dont steal for your own karmatic refuge!

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Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2008, 02:54:48 PM
I don't steal for "karmatic refuge."  I steal because I like music and it is across-the-board overpriced.  I purchase classical because it is largely not overpriced.
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Post by: lordmaji on January 28, 2008, 03:24:53 PM
Too bad this thread isn't about butt piracy. :(

 ::)
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Post by: abrader on January 28, 2008, 03:25:48 PM
Too bad this thread isn't about butt piracy. :(

 ::)

wait wait - its not?

You know when I typed RIAA I meant Rimjobs In American Americas right?

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Post by: Powerslave on January 28, 2008, 03:26:28 PM
you can pirate my butt anytime :-*


edit: not you abrader, you're ugly  :maf
Title: Re: Evilbore's views on piracy?
Post by: treythemovie on January 28, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
My belief is simple: Downloading -- No
                          Streaming -- Okay

Thus I never download anything, yet if I find something on a streaming site like youtube I'll watch it
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Post by: Himu on January 28, 2008, 05:22:28 PM
No really - get a job or stop stealing and just take what you can afford.



no!
Title: Re: Evilbore's views on piracy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2008, 05:23:43 PM
Music=yes
Everything else=no
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Post by: Beezy on January 28, 2008, 06:20:45 PM
Everything else=no
You've never played a rom?
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Post by: Oblivion on January 28, 2008, 06:39:23 PM
Where does something like Youtube fall into all this?
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Post by: Shins on January 28, 2008, 06:57:39 PM
Where does something like Youtube fall into all this?

Its not piracy if you don't report it.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2008, 07:06:53 PM
Everything else=no
You've never played a rom?

Nope. Don't con me with sin
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Post by: Flannel Boy on January 28, 2008, 07:29:22 PM
So you don't pirate porn? Even the 2005 porno Pirates?
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on January 28, 2008, 07:48:48 PM
I dunno, I weirdly feel sorry for Sony regarding the PSP (they actually made a quality portable and it's like they're being punished for it by the fans who pirate everything), so I have bought tons and tons of PSP games.

Actually, not at all.  Look at it this way:  Sony has been trying to get their shitty, shitty memory stick format to take off for almost a decade.  What was the thing that finally made it so memory sticks are ALWAYS sold out at my local Circuit City?  Yep.

Sony makes bank on the systems, and they make EVEN MORE on the memory stick market.  Sony could have squashed the homebrew market by now, but they really have little reason to.  I think anyone with half a brain knows that nothing on the PSP is going to be a sales legend.  Piracy *is* their market.

Those are some great points.

I am not going to try to defend my actions with regard to piracy. I know it's wrong. However, I paid $130 for my 8 GB memory stick, and I sure as hell am going to get my money's worth.
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Post by: xnikki118x on January 29, 2008, 03:42:55 AM


 but probably half of my Less Than Jake discography is burned.


i've been listening to hello, rockview and losing streak over and over and over at work


I think Hello Rockview is my favorite LTJ album, but for whatever reason, Mr. Chevy Celebrity and Johnny Quest (Thinks We're Sellouts) are my favorite songs, neither of which are on that album.

I got Hello Rockview when I was 15 from an old boyfriend for our one-month anniversary, haha. It's like the most adorable and most ridiculous little info tidbit ever.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2008, 03:48:55 AM
So you don't pirate porn? Even the 2005 porno Pirates?

I've heard rumors of people paying for porn, but I'm not sure if I believe it.
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Post by: Mupepe on January 29, 2008, 11:06:59 AM
i've never actually downloaded porn.  It was too much work before (torrents and limewire).  I'd get so excited and then I'd search and names like "mom+cat+dog fucking incest anal reacharound like tubey wubey" would get me so excited I'd finish before it was done downloading.

youporn.com saved my porn life
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Post by: Tauntaun on January 29, 2008, 11:17:51 AM
Option # 3.  I don't like burning CD's or DVD's I like to support artists.  Do unto others so when I have a CD they'll buy mine too.  :-*