THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Ichirou on January 27, 2008, 11:15:30 PM
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Sort of like that thread I made last year about Evilbore: The Movie, except this time we restrict ourselves to actors who are either dead or currently senile.
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Humphrey Bogart as "Mr. Angry Face"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Edward_G_Robinson_in_The_Ten_Commandments_film_trailer.jpg)
Edward G. Robinson as "Cajole Juice"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Jolson_black.jpg)
Al Jolson as "Phoenix Dark"
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Vivien Leigh as "Cloud Walking", and Hattie McDaniel as "Himuro"
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Peter Lorre as "Professor Prole"
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Vincent Price as "dcharlie"
whats ur dream cast
lol dreamcast
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I woulda said TVC as Vincent Price!
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Conrad Veidt as TVC 15
dcharlie, ever thought of growing a mustache? :ninja
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Al Jolson as "Phoenix Dark"
lol dreamcast
:rofl @ PD pick
and Dreamcast 2 would be awesome.
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Charles Laughton as "Synbios"
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And introducing Charles Laughton as "The Dark Shake"
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:lol I give props to ichi for this fine thread (and a hand job too :shh)
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It seems he is only remembered for blackface by the populace, but Al Jolson was the fucking man. He is too good for PD!
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I see your Charles Laughton and raise:
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OK, but who would he play?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Edward_G_Robinson_in_The_Ten_Commandments_film_trailer.jpg)
I watched this movie today :bow :bow :bow
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I watched this movie today :bow :bow :bow
Who's gonna play the mexi? ^ hey baby
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PICK ME
PICK ME
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Come on, there's better people for Synbios. Like, anyone from the cast of Freaks. Namely, this guy:
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Jimmy Stewart is Raoul Duke
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Toshiro Mifune as "Crystal Gemini"
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Fatty Arbuckle as "G"
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So which contender for King of the Homojapuals gets to be Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's?
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Charlton Heston as "Mupepe"
(http://www.glasshousepresents.com/elisha%20cook.jpg)
Elisha Cook Jr. as "FlameofCallandor"
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Props to anyone who can guess why I cast Charlton Heston as "Mupepe." (Hint: Heston has experience in playing Mexicans)
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(http://needled.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/e12-080-doris-day-loverly-leo-fuchs.jpg)
Doris Day as "Gay Boy"
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:lol
Ichi, Nosferatu was for synbios
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Props to anyone who can guess why I cast Charlton Heston as "Mupepe." (Hint: Heston has experience in playing Mexicans)
duh, Touch of Evil. :bow Orson
And someone has to be Orson Welles. HAS TO BE.
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Doris Day as "Gay Boy"
Needs better hair. I'd say something along the lines of
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omg perfect :bow
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Props to anyone who can guess why I cast Charlton Heston as "Mupepe." (Hint: Heston has experience in playing Mexicans)
Because he use to fuck a stewardess that liked to be spanked and called a Nazi?
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So which contender for King of the Homojapuals gets to be Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's?
(http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC040546/tiffany.jpg)
I'd rather be old-timey Oscar-winning Rican Jose Ferrer:
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:rofl @ Himuro
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Props to anyone who can guess why I cast Charlton Heston as "Mupepe." (Hint: Heston has experience in playing Mexicans)
duh, Touch of Evil. :bow Orson
And someone has to be Orson Welles. HAS TO BE.
I shall become him.
(http://www.theatlantic.com/images/issues/200609/welles.jpg)
Actually, I'd probably be the dude(?) in the middle of this Freaks picture.
(http://www.noirfilm.com/freaks_1.jpg)
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(http://www.emptybottle.org/images/orson.jpg)
Orson Welles as "Willco"
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Touch of Evil has that boner inducing long tracking shot right at the beginning, right? I am gonna put it in because that is porno-quality.
Okay, which EBer would play Joseph Cotton and Orson in this clip?
[youtube=425,350]F_SQyCJega8[/youtube]
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Yeah, the funny thing is that when it was originally released in theater the tracking shot was covered up by the opening titles.
I'm at work - is that clip from Citizen Kane?
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I want to be played by an old Lionel Barrymore, or not at all:
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In full Mr. Potter mode?
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:rofl @ Himuro
:lol I didn't see that before.
Himu knows nothing about birthing no babies.
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In full Mr. Potter mode?
And with the bowler hat.
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Yeah, the funny thing is that when it was originally released in theater the tracking shot was covered up by the opening titles.
I'm at work - is that clip from Citizen Kane?
No, the famous Harry Lime reveal from the shadows in The Third Man.
I think mupepe may have to be the forum's orson welles. Everyone familiar with orson's work knows that he was basically the most charismatic person ever, at least on film. I can listen to that man talk for hours and hours. And he was handsome before he got fat. And he still got hot hot ass when he was fat.
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In the case of that Third Man clip, Joseph Cotten would be Willco and Orson Welles would be NotSoCoolGuyChris!
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If we're going with just how much pussay the actor got, Mupepe would be Errol Flynn.
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I <3 Orson
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When I get home, I'll find that awesome audio of Orson Welles trying to record that radio commercial. Unfortunately, YouTube is blocked at work.
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Steve McQueen as me. You know, so I can get the Highland Green '68 Mustang. :-*
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(http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/actors/john-holmes/john_holmes_wadd_shrunk.jpg)
John Holmes as Mupepe
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Yeah, that one. It's :rofl awesome, and there's a YouTube of some guy dressed as Orson Welles actually miming along to the recording.
Also:
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Sidney Poitier as "Dr. Smooth Groove"
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The peas commercial thing is so incredible. A lot of people use it to make fun of Orson, but it makes me admire him even more. He took his shit pretty seriously. Even when working a shitty job that he clearly hated, he was a true craftsman. Even if he was just trying to be difficult, every word of advice he offers is sound.
:bow Orson. His awesomeness cannot be understated!
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Have you heard the William Shatner commercial outtakes one? It's on the YouTube/GAF thread, it's amazing.
Have you read This is Orson Welles, the big interview book Peter Bogdanovich did? It's enlightening as to Orson's methods and how he saw himself as an artist and craftsman, but what I love about it is how it inadvertently reveals what a gigantic, arrogant douchebag Bogdanovich is.
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Have you heard the William Shatner commercial outtakes one? It's on the YouTube/GAF thread, it's amazing.
Have you read This is Orson Welles, the big interview book Peter Bogdanovich did? It's enlightening as to Orson's methods and how he saw himself as an artist and craftsman, but what I love about it is how it inadvertently reveals what a gigantic, arrogant douchebag Bogdanovich is.
No, I haven't. If you say it is worth it, I will buy it, though.
I think it is pretty clear that Orson was more interested in the art of cinema than anything else--his heart was always in the right place, but he appeared to be bitter about having to compromise his integrity for a few bucks (but then again, who wouldn't be?).
It's weird. Half of me says that if he lived today, he would have been able to work in the system and make great movie after great movie. Then the other half of me says that if he lived today, he would have never directed a picture at all.
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It's worth it if you're a big fan of Welles and are willing to hear him go on about his more obscure productions, acting jobs, and project that almost happened but then fell apart. The book includes a ridiculously complete listing of everything Welles did as an artist, from radio to theater to film, excerpts from the screenplay with the original ending to the Magnificent Ambersons, and that (along with the 56-page memo regarding the editing of Touch of Evil, which is also included in the DVD of that film) take up almost half of the book.
The big problem I have with the book is the tone of it. Bogdanovich seems to come off as very smarmy and elitist (which, by all accounts, he is), which makes Welles look downright humble in comparison. Bogdanovich's comments had me rolling my eyes every few pages. The other problem I have with the book is that Bogdanovich states in the introduction that he edited out a lot of Welles's commentary on contemporary directors and actors at Welles's request (because Welles didn't want to be seen as bashing other people working in the same field).
As far as artists commenting on their own films go, I prefer Scorsese on Scorsese and Something Like an Autobiography by Kurosawa (yeah, I know you're not a Kurosawa fan).
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Can I be Duane Jones?
(http://www.nndb.com/people/293/000057122/djones-still-sm.jpg)
Or does he have to be 30's-50's?
I was thinking that you'd be more along the lines of...
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I hate to ask something so specific, since you probably do not recall tiny details, but do you know how much it goes into Mr. Arkadin? In some ways I consider it the most interesting Welles film.
Also, did Bogdanovich actually interview him, or was this totally independent?
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I hate to ask something so specific, since you probably do not recall tiny details, but do you know how much it goes into Mr. Arkadin? In some ways I consider it the most interesting Welles film.
Also, did Bogdanovich actually interview him, or was this totally independent?
Bogdanovich and Welles were actually really good friends for a long time (Bogdanovich goes at great lengths as to the extent of their relationship in the book's intro - Welles actually lived at his house for a few years), and yep, this is basically a book-length series of interviews that they had over the course of a couple of years going starting with his theater days and then going into his films.
It's been like a year since I read it (I actually still have it with me so I can check when I go home today), but as I recall, there's maybe 15 pages on Mr. Arkadin? I wish they had gone more into what happened during editing (Welles just states it was taken away from him and his idea for a broken chronology was mostly discarded). Welles talks about where he got the idea from (it was originally going to be a Harry Lime radio script but then he decided the idea was too good to waste on a radio show so he kept it to himself), and the whole process of procuring financing, casting, shooting, and the mess that happened afterwards when he lost control of it.
I've only seen the public domain version of Mr. Arkadin. I've never seen the Criterion release that supposedly re-edits it to be closer to what Welles intended. :(
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Argh, I could talk about Mr. Arkadin for DAYS. It is an incredibly interesting film, and even in its imperfect form, it is pretty captivating, and evident that Orson had another masterpiece in the chamber. For whatever reason, I find the clearly flawed more interesting than the perfect diamonds, and Arkadin is the definition of this tendency.
The Criterion set is my favorite of all Criterions. The essay book that accompanies it does an excellent job of explaining the complicated logistics of the situation, and it also comes with a novelization of Mr. Arkadin, along with several of the radio plays based off of it and The Third Man (Mr. Arkadin is a sorta prequel).
In short, not only did Welles not edit it, but he never even really finished shooting. There are some insane visuals in that movie. I <3 it. I have watched all of the cuts of it so many times, and read the book, and I am STILL guessing at how Welles was approaching it.
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Hahaha, I love the discussion Welles and Bogdanovich had about the Mr. Arkadin novel.
B: The novel you wrote based on your Mr. Arkadin screenplay was quite successful.
W: Oh, I didn't write it. It was ghost-written by some hack the production company hired.
B: Oh really? It won such-and-such literary awards and is quite well regarded in Europe.
W: Well, maybe I did write it, at that.
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Welles does talk a lot about Chimes at Midnight, and I think you like that one, also. He goes on at length about all his Shakespeare productions, actually.
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Please write a three-paragraph essay on why you think Duane Jones is the perfect choice to play you on film.
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Hahaha, I love the discussion Welles and Bogdanovich had about the Mr. Arkadin novel.
B: The novel you wrote based on your Mr. Arkadin screenplay was quite successful.
W: Oh, I didn't write it. It was ghost-written by some hack the production company hired.
B: Oh really? It won such-and-such literary awards and is quite well regarded in Europe.
W: Well, maybe I did write it, at that.
The Criterion goes into this, too. There is no clear answer on who wrote the novel. It was probably, at the very least, heavily based off of some set of Welles notes, but there is a very real possibility he did write it himself.
Welles does talk a lot about Chimes at Midnight, and I think you like that one, also. He goes on at length about all his Shakespeare productions, actually.
Chimes is probably his objectively best movie, and I know he thought highly of it. If you haven't seen it, I highly suggest viewing it. It will make you love Shakespeare.
Note that you will have to pirate it. It is unlikely that it will ever receive a US release. Criterion has been trying for more than a decade. Welles as Falstaff, though, he has to rival anyone that's ever played him. He is absolutely perfect.
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I love Welles's fucked-up version of Macbeth. I haven't seen Chimes at Midnight, tho.
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You gotta see Chimes, dude. My words can't do it justice. You have to see it for yourself.
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Who am I/who is me? I don't know enough about old actresses to even venture a guess.
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You gotta see Chimes, dude. My words can't do it justice. You have to see it for yourself.
If you can let me know where to torrent it, along with Salo, I'd love to see it!
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BTW, I'm at home right now and leafing through the Orson Welles book, looking for Mr. Arkadin tidbits.
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Scenester is Clark Gable
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I claim
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Virginia Mayo as "Nikki Dos Equis 18"
Anyway, skimming through the book, there's much less material on Mr. Arkadin than I thought (a scant 8 pages, with half of those being Bogdanovich asking questions). It looks like Orson Welles didn't really want to talk about the movie - he mentions that it was a "super movie story" and that he would love to make it again, and make it the right way, but he doesn't even know who holds the rights to it. As I said before, it was based on an idea he'd had for the Harry Lime radio show, but which he decided to save for a motion picture. The original movie was told in a series of flashbacks, but he claims he's blocked out how he'd planned to do it since he has such bad memories of what happened with the movie. Apparently he took too long in the editing room and missed a deadline, putting the film in the hands of the distributors, who sent their own editor in to finish it, and he proceeded to remove the whole structure the movie was based on. He also cut out a lot of the "sentimental" scenes Welles had filmed of Arkadin, which made the character more sympathetic.
Welles claims Arkadin is very different from Harry Lime since Arkadin is Russian, which gives him a wicked sentimental streak and a gregariousness which the much colder, calculating Harry Lime lacks. The idea being that he's basically erasing his past so as not to embarass himself in front of his daughter. Welles says Arkadin is a very sympathetic character, while Van Statten is supposed to be seen as odious and shallow.
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Haha you got Mickey Rooney. That guy's a dick.
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Haha you got Mickey Rooney. That guy's a dick.
Mickey Rooney was creepy in Night at the Museum.
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Haha you got Mickey Rooney. That guy's a dick.
But he had sex with Marilyn Monroe.
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Haha you got Mickey Rooney. That guy's a dick.
But he had sex with Marilyn Monroe.
What a dick
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John Holmes as Mupepe
wasn't he a murderer though?
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That somehow makes the casting even more accurate.
DUNDUNDUUUUN
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interesting thread
i'm kind of surprised that TVC would choose an american instead of someone continental
and i found out today that there's a Joseph Ratzinger fan club
http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/news.html
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Sideshow Bob as Abrader?
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Doris Day movies are awesome, well they were. I used to watch them as a kid. Too bad I got changed. :(
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never heard of my guy.
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I claim
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fuck you, Anthony Perkins was made to play me.
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ever see The Matchmaker?
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He would totally hafta flatten and curl his hair to play you, but yeah.
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Anyway, skimming through the book, there's much less material on Mr. Arkadin than I thought (a scant 8 pages, with half of those being Bogdanovich asking questions). It looks like Orson Welles didn't really want to talk about the movie - he mentions that it was a "super movie story" and that he would love to make it again, and make it the right way, but he doesn't even know who holds the rights to it. As I said before, it was based on an idea he'd had for the Harry Lime radio show, but which he decided to save for a motion picture. The original movie was told in a series of flashbacks, but he claims he's blocked out how he'd planned to do it since he has such bad memories of what happened with the movie. Apparently he took too long in the editing room and missed a deadline, putting the film in the hands of the distributors, who sent their own editor in to finish it, and he proceeded to remove the whole structure the movie was based on. He also cut out a lot of the "sentimental" scenes Welles had filmed of Arkadin, which made the character more sympathetic.
Welles claims Arkadin is very different from Harry Lime since Arkadin is Russian, which gives him a wicked sentimental streak and a gregariousness which the much colder, calculating Harry Lime lacks. The idea being that he's basically erasing his past so as not to embarass himself in front of his daughter. Welles says Arkadin is a very sympathetic character, while Van Statten is supposed to be seen as odious and shallow.
Yes, when he says "super movie story," you get that from watching the finished cut. It's intentional evoking a sort of dream state, and the narrative has some framing with it, some of it pretty complex for movies of the time. Nobody really knows what Orson had in mind for the final product, so all we are left with is an educated guess using incomplete footage. Nobody really knows what he had in mind.
interesting thread
i'm kind of surprised that TVC would choose an american instead of someone continental
and i found out today that there's a Joseph Ratzinger fan club
http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/news.html
Orson? I dunno. I barely consider him American. Even as an American, it's pretty clear that the things he valued in films didn't really jive with what Americans wanted.
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He would totally hafta flatten and curl his hair to play you, but yeah.
You've not seen my new hair.
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You didn't Vic Mackey it up, did you?
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never heard of my guy.
And you're supposed to be studying film. That's pretty sad.
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Shane, The Killing, The Big Sleep, The Maltese Falcon - he had sizeable roles in all of those movies.
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Virginia Mayo is hot, Ichi. :D
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You should see her as James Cagney's two-timing gal in White Heat. OMG she is so sexy in that movie.