MAF, when Microsoft rolls out their Blu-ray addon for the Xbox 360 in coming months, are you going to sell your PS3?
MAF, when Microsoft rolls out their Blu-ray addon for the Xbox 360 in coming months, are you going to sell your PS3?
Game Library = A handful of really solid first party games that appeal to a wide range of people. Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank. All solid games with Uncharted being the real standout among them. Most 360 owners would die to have that diverse group of games on their console.
Game Library = A handful of really solid first party games that appeal to a wide range of people. Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank. All solid games with Uncharted being the real standout among them. Most 360 owners would die to have that diverse group of games on their console.
??? last i checked, the 360 library was pretty damn diverse.
Potential for 2008 is starting to become "potentially" potential for 2009 with a lot of games stacked at the back end of 2008. PS3 development needs to lose stigma of games being late or potential of slippage.
Controller court case another failure by sony and another sign of their bold contempt for fans. Case could have been resolved much earlier, but instead was able to resell stock of new DS3. Failure to replace existing controller pack ins further evidence of a lack of respect for their fanbase.
The Fans sane Sony fans have become a rarity. Reactionary, unable to contemplate life on the bottom rung they are kicking out without any community leaders with any class or finesse to carry them on. A dire situation for all involved - limited banter, playground level rallying crews, a sense of panic and crying youths in bedrooms mourning the death of the once proud leader. A sad day for all.
Sure, it's diverse for the most part. But it's painfully lacking an offroad racer like Motorstorm, an action hack n' slash like Heavenly Sword (or God of War next year), an adventure game like Uncharted, and a character platformer like Ratchet. Say what you want, but those are the reasons I own a PS3. Sony has a very diverse lineup that Microsoft simply seems to ignore. The PS3 will also get a big shooter fix when Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 hit later this year, and people see what it's like to play great shooters on dedicated servers that you don't have to pay for.
the OBVIOUS happens? you know how many 'dog' products resurrect themselves ? Not many. And the PS3 is going falling further and further behind. Their plans in Europe and Japan are further scuppered by the undisputed king : the Wii. After over a year of release in Japan, the Ps3 has failed to muster 2 million sales. That's pretty telling.
PS3 will probably match 360 when all is said and done, but if it takes 2-3 years to do it (which it will) there will be no incentive for devs to switch to PS3 exclusivity, so who cares?
Blu has caught on!
Uncharted - why not call it what it is? Gears in the jungle with some poor Tomb Raider segways to make it an adventure game to avoid comparisons to a better game?
Motorstorm is AWFUL. I'm sure Motorstorm 2 will fix the multitude of problems, but it's not in any state to make anyone jealous.
HS... again... great voice acting and some good characterisation and some interesting cut scene tech (all video of real time engine right to save space), but painfully average game. Died once, too easy, no incentive to go back. 1 player beat em up? eeeek.
and who is absolving MS here? My opinion on this disgrace is well documented. and it is a disgrace. That doesn't , however, absolve Sony from what they did. They could have solved his case , instead they hid behind a blanket of lies about how rumble wasn't next gen etc. Both companies suck for what they did. Both should be called out.
same old story we've heard since 2005... "just you wait! .... any minute now... just around the corner..."
the ps3 will not pass the X360 in world wide sales in 2008 or 2009. Let's say they have 2 full years to catch up.
so - that's 24 months.
... 24 months where the PS3 has to sell 250,000 more each month than the X360 EVERY MONTH to draw level...
not only do you expect them to do this, but you expect them to surpass it?
very very unlikely and calling this "the obvious thing to happen" is the mark of delusion.
the OBVIOUS happens? you know how many 'dog' products resurrect themselves ? Not many. And the PS3 is going falling further and further behind. Their plans in Europe and Japan are further scuppered by the undisputed king : the Wii. After over a year of release in Japan, the Ps3 has failed to muster 2 million sales. That's pretty telling.
Can't wait to see the budget for games expected to sell to a market that might manage to hit 6 million people in 4 years.
Well of COURSE you wouldn't want to talk about DiRT, a game that is superior on 360. Or you may try to discredit DiRT as 'the same kind of 'thrilling' off-road racing game that motorstorm is, ignoring the fact that it isn't anywhere CLOSE to true off-road racing.
you are talking about , ultimately, the percentage that the X360 HAS OUTSOLD the Ps3. Sony are merely narrowing the gap of how much they are getting beat, and they still have to start cutting into the X360's lead. I can't really fathom the logic behind ignoring the "just you wait" sentiment from 2005 - you forget the initial demos? you forget the KILLZONE OMG X360 OWNED!! you forget the "next gen starts when we say it does"? you forget the 6 months late in the day delay? you forget the hyperbole around Liar, motorstorm, warhawk, home, etc?
It's the same drum being banged each year, the worry is that the good games won't sell.
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Well of COURSE you wouldn't want to talk about DiRT, a game that is superior on 360. Or you may try to discredit DiRT as 'the same kind of 'thrilling' off-road racing game that motorstorm is, ignoring the fact that it isn't anywhere CLOSE to true off-road racing.
Well of course I own it on both systems. No, I'm not kidding either.
And what do you know the PS3 version has a smoother framerate with less tearing.Quote from: dCharlieyou are talking about , ultimately, the percentage that the X360 HAS OUTSOLD the Ps3. Sony are merely narrowing the gap of how much they are getting beat, and they still have to start cutting into the X360's lead. I can't really fathom the logic behind ignoring the "just you wait" sentiment from 2005 - you forget the initial demos? you forget the KILLZONE OMG X360 OWNED!! you forget the "next gen starts when we say it does"? you forget the 6 months late in the day delay? you forget the hyperbole around Liar, motorstorm, warhawk, home, etc?
It's the same drum being banged each year, the worry is that the good games won't sell.
Yes, I made it clear the 360 is still outselling it, but I pointed out the narrowing as an example of why it isn't so crazy to think the PS3 is gonna catch up eventually, and eventually overtake it. Again, I was also just talking about North America there. In the rest of the world we already know the PS3 is outselling the 360 each month. So again, the only stake the 360 truly has firm is in North America, and the gap is already seen shrinking each month. I think you got my point, but you're just acting like you didn't. ::)
Also, when you talk about this "Sony fanboys said this stuff" you take on this attitude of serious anger towards the people that dared to say such things on a message board after an E3 event. Do you really take this stuff that seriously? That personally? My god. You need to really try and ignore a lot of that crap. You're trying to recall things said on some message board by some random dude 3 years ago as somehow relevant to a discussion we're having right now.
When people talk about 2008 being a better year for Sony it's not like there aren't a lot of obvious reasons to think such a thing.
HAY HOW BOUT THAT DiRT FOR OFFROAD RACING
DiRT 360 > DiRT PS3 & Motorstorm
Yes, I made it clear the 360 is still outselling it, but I pointed out the narrowing as an example of why it isn't so crazy to think the PS3 is gonna catch up eventually, and eventually overtake it. Again, I was also just talking about North America there. In the rest of the world we already know the PS3 is outselling the 360 each month. So again, the only stake the 360 truly has firm is in North America, and the gap is already seen shrinking each month. I think you got my point, but you're just acting like you didn't. ::)
the "Why don't 3rd party developers get Wii?" threads that pop up like daisies.
<b>Bluray Playback</b> = Not a big movie watcher, but would be nice to have, especially since Blockbuster rents Blu-Ray now (?). But the next Tiesto in Concert will be available on both DVD and Blu-Ray and that would be fucking awesome to watch in HD 7.1 surround.
Also, where's the PS3 equivalent of PGR4 and Forza 2? A one track demo?
Sony fans just keep using the worldwide angle (using anecdoctal European numbers) because it was evident that the 360 was going to kill the PS3 in NA. However, worldwide sales mean crap to most publishers. Because of how demographics and sales work, doing really well in 1 region is far more important than worldwide status. The Gamecube killed the Xbox worldwide but had worse support because it was a distant 2nd in Japan and a distant 3rd in North America.
Right now, sales of PS3 games are terrible in both Japan and NA which will only lead to weaker software support, regardless of how it's doing worldwide. Also, I think you need to take some basic math classes again. How can the gap be shrinking in NA when the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 each month?
According to most analystsWhy do you keep saying this as if VG analysts are usually right?
GT5 WILL NEVER HOPE TO BE AS GOOD AS PGR. NEVER. Polyphony makes car collecting simulators, not racing games.Quote from: Smooth Groove
Also, where's the PS3 equivalent of PGR4 and Forza 2? A one track demo?
PS3 doesn't have an equivalent to the PGR series. Too bad PGR4 sold like shit though, and is the last exclusive developed by Bizarre Creations to grace the 360. That means if there is a PGR5 it will be a multiplatform game.
Oh yeah, and get your fucking facts straight before you even bother trying to respond to people in the future. GT5 Prologue has 10 track variations, with 5 of the enviornments beign unique. Hardly "1 track" as you put it. ::)Quote from: Smooth Groove
Sony fans just keep using the worldwide angle (using anecdoctal European numbers) because it was evident that the 360 was going to kill the PS3 in NA. However, worldwide sales mean crap to most publishers. Because of how demographics and sales work, doing really well in 1 region is far more important than worldwide status. The Gamecube killed the Xbox worldwide but had worse support because it was a distant 2nd in Japan and a distant 3rd in North America.
Right now, sales of PS3 games are terrible in both Japan and NA which will only lead to weaker software support, regardless of how it's doing worldwide. Also, I think you need to take some basic math classes again. How can the gap be shrinking in NA when the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 each month?
You might be right about the software sales really hurting the PS3 in the long run. Time will tell. No doubt the software hasn't been impressive for the most part.
On that last part, you need to check your facts here as well. I never said the gap was shrinking, but rather the later into 2007 we got, the more the monthly gap narrowed between the 360 and PS3 in North America. In other words, the PS3 was gaining on it month after month. If you translate that out into the future, eventually the PS3 will catch it, and possibly overtake it.
According to most analysts it will overtake it. Just a matter of when.
According to most analystsWhy do you keep saying this as if VG analysts are usually right?
who is suggesting you listen to xbots? this isn't a binary evaluation, cretin.
Well, when they suggest you're a fool for listening to analysts, and they're of course fighting for their system of choice in the process, who the fuck do you think they're suggesting we listen to? Seriously.What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not fighting for anything. That was my first post in this thread.
Well, when they suggest you're a fool for listening to analysts, and they're of course fighting for their system of choice in the process, who the fuck do you think they're suggesting we listen to? Seriously.What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not fighting for anything. That was my first post in this thread.
fans: slowly replacing ntards for the cognitive dissonance crown. you bought this generation's gamecube. get over it and buy a 360 already.
I think Recursive's liking of the PS3 has to do with him actually knowing what the fuck those people are talking about. The technobabble, I mean.
I'm a PS3 fan and I haven't bought one (or a PS2 for that matter) and have no plans to ever buy one. Fans aren't necessarily people who've bought the console.
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Also, where's the PS3 equivalent of PGR4 and Forza 2? A one track demo?
PS3 doesn't have an equivalent to the PGR series. Too bad PGR4 sold like shit though, and is the last exclusive developed by Bizarre Creations to grace the 360. That means if there is a PGR5 it will be a multiplatform game.
Oh yeah, and get your fucking facts straight before you even bother trying to respond to people in the future. GT5 Prologue has 10 track variations, with 5 of the enviornments being unique. Hardly "1 track" as you put it. ::)
You might be right about the software sales really hurting the PS3 in the long run. Time will tell. No doubt the software hasn't been impressive for the most part.
On that last part, you need to check your facts here as well. I never said the gap was shrinking, but rather the later into 2007 we got, the more the monthly gap narrowed between the 360 and PS3 in North America. In other words, the PS3 was gaining on it month after month. If you translate that out into the future, eventually the PS3 will catch it, and possibly overtake it.
According to most analysts it will overtake it. Just a matter of when.
Do you really think they'll do that? I don't, at least not until sometime in 2009 if at all. It would give off the air of concession.
nauseatingly smug? i defy you to find a xbot thread comparable to the delusion on parade in that uncharted thread.
Game Library = seven or eight good exclusive games. pretty decent for a year-old console. what's holding it back at this point are the inferior versions of practically everything multiplatform.
Online Game Library = sshd and everday shooter were my favorite downloadable games until omega five happened. wipeout hd looks awesome.
Online Community/Store = oh no a webpage how will i ever manage. fanboys will argue about anything these days.
Controller = except for the signal dropouts, i like it well enough
The Fans = delusional, as fanboys invariably are -- but the ps3's various misfortunes keep them from being as nauseatingly smug as xbots
Bluray Playback = <3
nauseatingly smug? i defy you to find a xbot thread comparable to the delusion on parade in that uncharted thread.
The Fans = delusional, as fanboys invariably are -- but the ps3's various misfortunes keep them from being as nauseatingly smug as xbots
nauseatingly smug? i defy you to find a xbot thread comparable to the delusion on parade in that uncharted thread.
in any case, i can't recall that it's ever been so 'cool' to believe that everything worth playing is on one console -- and i've seen much better consoles than 360 come and go
Do you really think they'll do that? I don't, at least not until sometime in 2009 if at all. It would give off the air of concession.
They already conceded when they scrapped their HD-DVD stuff from CES. The Blu-Ray addon should be rolling out sometime this year, I gather. Apparently, with Microsoft serving as a vendor for the Blu-Ray tech, sales representatives are apparently heading to Sony's operations in San Jose for training.
what, you mean that guy who kept going on about lightmaps and clive cussler, whoever clive cussler is meant to be? :-*
Game Library = A handful of really solid first party games that appeal to a wide range of people. Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank. All solid games with Uncharted being the real standout among them. Most 360 owners would die to have that diverse group of games on their console.
Uncharted is absolutely nothing like Tomb Raider.
it's Gears of jungle war with tombraider lite segways for me.
Come on, now. Did you forget how you were treatred by Sfags in the DMC4 thread?
no, what's uniquely repulsive about gaf sfags is their adoption of kittonwy speak
nauseatingly smug? i defy you to find a xbot thread comparable to the delusion on parade in that uncharted thread.
what, you mean that guy who kept going on about lightmaps and clive cussler, whoever clive cussler is meant to be? :-*
Come on, now. Did you forget how you were treatred by Sfags in the DMC4 thread?
that thread is kind of amazing, but i don't think there's anything uniquely sfag about that combination of technical illiteracy and console partisanship -- seems like every gafer is determined to buy dmc4 on the console he prefers. beermonkey's buying the 360 version so he can 'stay connected to the xbox community,' and DMC4 ISN'T EVEN AN ONLINE GAME
no, what's uniquely repulsive about gaf sfags is their adoption of kittonwy speak
Wollan doesn't bug me. He's out there and probably a viral, but at least he's civil and isn't a creepy pedo. AA is an aggressive little one and Kittowny....yeah.
Nobody touches teh kittownz as far as WACKO is.
I've got to comment a few patterns I'm seeing in this thread that crack me up.
People who post they like one game and the rest of the system's library is crap. Do you really think you represent any real gamers out there? Just because you've become so jaded that nearly NO games appeal to you anymore, doesn't really make your opinion look all that logical to most normal gamers who still enjoy games these days.
there's absolutely no debating with you, you have set your own mind in the exact same way you're accusing others of doing
the only way you'd consider it an "honest" discussion is if everyone agrees with what you're posting, and that ain't gonna happen
As far as fanboys go no one can match the sustained stupidity of Nintendo fans.
Also, this talk of all multiplatform games on the PS3 being worthless is just not true. Oblivion, Fight Night, COD4, Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry 4, etc. All of those are as good or better than their 360 counterparts. Yes, there have been some crappy ports, but in general most of them are very similar to their 360 relatives, and sometimes a tad better. Let's just talk honestly about it, rather than give sensationalist statements that aren't really accurate.
Also, if you say something like "No one is ever online with their PS3", I've got almost 50 people on my friends list and every night I log on there seems to be 5-10 people playing something online. I guess I must have just found the only 50 people who regularly play their PS3s. In other words, just because the people you happen to have on your PS3 friends list don't play games that often, doesn't mean you should proclaim the entire community non existent. Again, your personal situation does not mean shit for the rest of us.
Also, there is a lot of irony when I see so many people now commenting on the Bluray player being the smartest thing Sony included in the machine. Oh how I remember so many people swearing that would be the death of the PS3, and how huge of a mistake it was.
Keep telling myself what? I don't even know what the fuck that means.
Fact - every argument you have made in this thread has been countered in some fashion. In turn, your response posts have been peppered with some variation of "you're just fooling yourselves" or "you're not being honest." So basically, unless everyone agrees with what you're posting, they're liars. Seems like a pretty rigid mindset to me.
Plus the smug "chuckling to yourself over these idiots" shtick just reeks of nauseating sony fanaticism
Yes, yes...I already covered that. There really are too many multi-console owners that don't take these games into account because they own another system. It's not that the system "has no games," it's just YOU already owning them.
You know what the best way to answer this is? "Your personal situation does not mean shit for the rest of us." ;) Live has the community element to it that PSN simply lacks. FACT. Certainly I can ALWAYS load up UT3 and find a bunch of games going at any time, and I'm living in a completely different timezone than most of the people usually playing it, but the amount of players and games going are absolutely NOTHING compared to what's going on in Xbox Live games. Sony needs to get its shit together and improve the PSN's community features. Perhaps Home will do this.
Real talk. Tigerriot is making me hesitant to buy a PS3 this year. I already have a real game console - the 360. But I don't want to become like him. I DON'T WANT TO BECOME LIKE HIM.
when other people give their honest opinions, though, to you they're not being honest
that's not a discussion
Also, when you talk about this "Sony fanboys said this stuff" you take on this attitude of serious anger towards the people that dared to say such things on a message board after an E3 event. Do you really take this stuff that seriously? That personally? My god. You need to really try and ignore a lot of that crap. You're trying to recall things said on some message board by some random dude 3 years ago as somehow relevant to a discussion we're having right now.
Also, there is a lot of irony when I see so many people now commenting on the Bluray player being the smartest thing Sony included in the machine. Oh how I remember so many people swearing that would be the death of the PS3, and how huge of a mistake it was.
Quote from: TigerriotAlso, when you talk about this "Sony fanboys said this stuff" you take on this attitude of serious anger towards the people that dared to say such things on a message board after an E3 event. Do you really take this stuff that seriously? That personally? My god. You need to really try and ignore a lot of that crap. You're trying to recall things said on some message board by some random dude 3 years ago as somehow relevant to a discussion we're having right now.Quote from: TigerriotAlso, there is a lot of irony when I see so many people now commenting on the Bluray player being the smartest thing Sony included in the machine. Oh how I remember so many people swearing that would be the death of the PS3, and how huge of a mistake it was.
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If being an XBot means I have the best games in the room, call me an XBot.
Weaksauce. Try harder.
no, it has more to do with him hating microsoft, the company who employs only geniuses (tm).
i'm impressed that the PS3 is profitable already!
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it was "Buy PLAYSTATION 3" 2 hours ago, why did you change it Tiger? ???