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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Vizzys on October 30, 2006, 11:47:25 PM

Title: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 30, 2006, 11:47:25 PM
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Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 30, 2006, 11:49:09 PM
I don't see Evilbore among the links. But the other two forums are...  :banplz
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 30, 2006, 11:50:01 PM
I coded this site long before evilbore existed.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 30, 2006, 11:52:49 PM
I coded this site long before evilbore existed.
:elf

but it loaded up real quick for me. I like layout. I approve
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 12:02:11 AM
Um... you need to work on it. A lot.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 12:06:06 AM
I'm aware. I imagine you looked at the code, being a web designer. :/
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 12:33:17 AM
Got rid of a bunch of those white lines. Looking better I think.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Polari on October 31, 2006, 12:37:36 AM
Looking good. Red sites don't usually work, but this one definitely seems to. Don't use Flash for a banner, Flash sucks and the current banner is fine.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 05:00:39 AM
Hah finished!

I might make the background design a bit darker red, but the HTML is 100% W3C XHTML valid. Fixed the CSS so no white lines anywhere now.

Now to make a splash page and get to making some tutorials.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 05:41:26 PM
Pretty much finished splash page:
http://xs108.xs.to/xs108/06442/splash.jpg (http://xs108.xs.to/xs108/06442/splash.jpg)
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 07:53:33 PM
Splash page is cool but I think splash pages are gay, imo.

Here is what I am working on:

http://frostitution.net/gignews/

Have to do a conference call tomorrow with the company and see what happens
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 07:58:48 PM
Very pro demi, the site kinda reminds me of 1up.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 08:50:50 PM
Viz: site looks nice, cool, clean.
Demi: site is boring, looks like a blog template.
DEMI OWNED!

Viz:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xeroseven.net%2Fmain.htm&ss=1&outline=1 (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xeroseven.net%2Fmain.htm&ss=1&outline=1)
Demi:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffrostitution.net%2Fgignews%2F&ss=1&outline=1 (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffrostitution.net%2Fgignews%2F&ss=1&outline=1)
DEMI OWNED!

Viz: Friendly, open to suggestions, articulate with thoughts and ideas on his site.
Demi: Judgemental shit-talker, overly-critical.
DEMI OWNED!

Nice work, Viz.  Demi, get a day job, then, don't quit it.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Mupepe on October 31, 2006, 08:52:11 PM
Viz: site looks nice, cool, clean.
Demi: site is boring, looks like a blog template.
DEMI OWNED!

Viz:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xeroseven.net%2Fmain.htm&ss=1&outline=1 (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xeroseven.net%2Fmain.htm&ss=1&outline=1)
Demi:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffrostitution.net%2Fgignews%2F&ss=1&outline=1 (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffrostitution.net%2Fgignews%2F&ss=1&outline=1)
DEMI OWNED!

Viz: Friendly, open to suggestions, articulate with thoughts and ideas on his site.
Demi: Judgemental shit-talker, overly-critical.
DEMI OWNED!

Nice work, Viz.  Demi, get a day job, then, don't quit it.

LOLZ 

I love you, baby.  do do do do dooooo.  la la la la la la.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 08:56:29 PM
Melissa: Likes to skip over posts; failed to read that I was working on it; deserves a kiss on the cheek for trying though.

Stick to making cupcakes and suicide notes, schnookums.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:01:39 PM
Melissa: Likes to skip over posts; failed to read that I was working on it; deserves a kiss on the cheek for trying though.

Stick to making cupcakes and suicide notes, schnookums.

Oh, I read everything - I know it's work in progress.  So is what Viz is doing, but that didn't stop you from being a blunt prick.

Suicide notes?  Please.  You can laugh about and write off my cupcake baking abilities all you want - but go to sleep at night knowing how much money I make doing it. I am a master of my craft, you can't even get your code to validate....or are you "working on" this one too?

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffrostitution.net%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffrostitution.net%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline)

Douche.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 09:10:10 PM
Well to Demi's credit it's a bit harder to code in a fully working news/comment system then what I'm doing. I just wanted my site browser friendly is all.  :D
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 09:10:26 PM
Fair enough, you win. You can read Betty Crocker like a pro. I should never have assumed otherwise.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 09:11:59 PM
Well to Demi's credit it's a bit harder to code in a fully working news/comment system then what I'm doing. I just wanted my site browser friendly is all.  :D

My sites happen to be browser friendly too. Melissa needs to read more about the W3C and how it works. Oh dear, I forgot an alt tag in my image, my site is broken. But it's ok, Melissa will be there to tell me how to fix it! Haha.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:14:47 PM
Fair enough, you win. You can read Betty Crocker like a pro. I should never have assumed otherwise.
Your ignorance and age are both shining through this thread.

You can try to pass off and make excuses for your sloppy shit all you want - at the end of the day, it just doesn't look very good and it doesn't validate.  So, whatever.  Get off your HTML High Horse because you lack the skills - or at least don't try to shit on what Viz is doing with your "Um... you need to work on it. A lot." bullshit. You're not that good.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 09:17:47 PM
Melissa is that good, y'see. And she doesn't mind reminding us all about it quite often!
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 09:18:36 PM
Melissa, have you even looked at Viz's site?

Look at the bottom.

Now click on that link. Notice some similarities?

Just stop, Melissa, please?
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:18:58 PM
Melissa is that good, y'see. And she doesn't mind reminding us all about it quite often!
I only speak the truth, Corny.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:20:50 PM
Melissa, have you even looked at Viz's site?

Look at the bottom.

Now click on that link. Notice some similarities?

Just stop, Melissa, please?

Damn!  He's stealing his shit and it STILL looks better than yours?

Viz, you need to stop biting and start writing.  You're making Demi look bad here.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 09:21:45 PM
I only speak the truth, Corny.


Pride goeth before a fall, though.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:23:06 PM
Pride goeth before a fall, though.

Oh, absolutely!  I'm just making a point here. You certainly won't catch me bragging about my video game review skills.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 09:23:49 PM
What is your point, though?
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 09:24:30 PM
I've never made a splash page before :'(
I made all the images myself and changed the css around a bit.
I figured leaving the link as a thanks.  :-\
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 09:25:23 PM
I don't know, I never thought an arguement between two of the most tedious, self-centered mofos on the interwebs would've been so... boring? I guess?


Poor Viz  :dizzy
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:25:59 PM
What is your point, though?
My point is to not be such a dick about something just because you may be more knowledgable about it.  How about offer some help or constructive criticism?  What good is "Um... you need to work on it. A lot."??  It just makes you look like a pompous cock - and it makes me want to talk shit to you.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:28:24 PM
I don't know, I never thought an arguement between two of the most tedious, self-centered mofos on the interwebs would've been so... boring?
See, Corny - that's why I'm bummed you're not going to uWink on Saturday.  It would have been fun to have a drink with you, without the fourth wall.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 31, 2006, 09:28:45 PM
Demi and Melissa = Lovers Quarrel? Get a room and have some great make up sex.

Viz the site loads fast and well yeah i dont know much about sites usefullness and shit but i like yours over demi's
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: whiteACID on October 31, 2006, 09:29:32 PM
I don't know, I never thought an arguement between two of the most tedious, self-centered mofos on the interwebs would've been so... boring?
See, Corny - that's why I'm bummed you're not going to uWink on Saturday.  It would have been fun to have a drink with you, without the fourth wall.
I'll be there Melissa, will you buy me a drink?
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 09:31:31 PM
redwood is such a dyke

i'll be there, Mel - but I can only stay so long and I can only drink so much. But I'll be there
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 09:31:46 PM
I'll be there Melissa, will you buy me a drink?
Of course - but you're not coming all the way here.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: APF on October 31, 2006, 09:42:26 PM
Viz: is the non-splash page all your code?  In other words, if I ask why you made some of the structural decisions there, would that be a valid level of critique/etc?

Melissa: I'll be the judge of who is "master of the craft."  Send over a URL.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 09:47:35 PM
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Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 09:50:01 PM
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In eget dolor nulla nullam sed etiam dolore sed eroeros etiam augue nunc ante aliquam.

Purus etiam in eget dolor nulla lorem ipsum dolor augue nunc ante aliquam sed dolore nullam. Lorem ipsum dolor et sed etiam augue.


That's some nutty, illuminati-type shit.  :o

Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 09:53:53 PM
Ah thats automated text from some Latin generating site. Supposedly its pretty popular for web designer at filling space.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 09:55:07 PM
I know, dude. I was hoping Melissa would come in here so I could  ::) at her
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 09:58:32 PM
I had no idea.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 10:02:38 PM
I know, dude. I was hoping Melissa would come in here so I could  ::) at her

I could always make a cocky comment, that seems to work. Melissa seems to be a magnet to that.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
I had no idea.

There needs to be some kind of sarcasm tag, without the Fark-esque /sarcasm - something a little more subtle

I could always make a cocky comment, that seems to work. Melissa seems to be a magnet to that.

like flies to shit.

do it!
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Mupepe on October 31, 2006, 10:06:40 PM
I know, dude. I was hoping Melissa would come in here so I could  ::) at her
Are you trying to bait my sweetheart?
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: APF on October 31, 2006, 10:07:34 PM
http://www.xeroseven.net is the splash page where yes I used nodethirtythrees CSS as a guideline, as I don't know much about CSS atm but I plan on changing the positioning on this.

http://www.xeroseven.net/main.htm is the website itself
http://www.xeroseven.net/default.css is the CSS for it

I made all of the images on the website in photoshop myself. Feel free to say whatever you wan't.

/*
   Stealing is wrong. -Xeroseven.net
*/

lol

Anyway.  Sometimes you can have too much structure, for example right in your header you have:

Code: [Select]
<#header>
   <#menu>
      <ul>

When really, since a <ul> is a block-level element, and inherently a wrapper in the first place, you don't necessarily need <#menu> unless you anticipate some non-list-item existing in that space...

Then, you have empty elements like <#xbgA> and <.divider>, which are likely only there for presentational reasons and not structural ones.  These can likely be obviated by using more well-planned CSS in future projects.

There are other places where you seem to be using more structure than is needed, or classing things that don't necessarily need to be classed (like all your <span.date> in <td.first>, where the date is already the only content there; why not class the <td> as .date in the first place--unless I'm missing something?), or having weird document trees, that give you results like: <#inner><#main><#main_inner>, etc.  Also, with so many apparently disparate things classed <.content>, it makes me intuitively think perhaps you should just define whatever you're attributing to it more globally (like to <p> for example, although I haven't really scoured your code; this is all just from a quick glance at things)...
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: APF on October 31, 2006, 10:08:47 PM
I should add these are all minor quibbles, really.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 10:13:13 PM
Yeah I put that comment there as a little inside joke. :lol

Anyway yeah I'm thinking of rewriting the page from scratch. You kinda lost me in that last paragraph there, but thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 10:13:32 PM
Melissa: I'll be the judge of who is "master of the craft."  Send over a URL.
You're looking for a URL to my culinary skills?

APF rolled a 20-sided die all over this thread.  It's Dork City now!

"a <ul> is a block-level element, and inherently a wrapper in the first place, you don't necessarily need <#menu> unless you anticipate some non-list-item existing in that space..." (http://carmige.com/mt-static/images/smilies/nerd.gif)
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: APF on October 31, 2006, 10:18:37 PM
Viz: n/p; PM if you want help/explanation/etc.

Melissa: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of $bill counting machines running across from me.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 10:22:25 PM
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Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: APF on October 31, 2006, 10:26:50 PM
Will this help?

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CenteringBlockElement
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: demi on October 31, 2006, 10:32:56 PM
Melissa: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of $bill counting machines running across from me.

:p
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Vizzys on October 31, 2006, 10:35:56 PM
Yessir. :)

Thanks again.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Melissa on October 31, 2006, 11:20:26 PM
Melissa: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of $bill counting machines running across from me.
That's cool!  I've got nothing but respect for nerds - especially when they're nice and helpful to other nerds in need. I'm glad you're doing well, you seem to be both kind AND knowledgable.
Title: Re: I want your help. (Website related)
Post by: Saint Cornelius on October 31, 2006, 11:27:04 PM
Kumbia