How about Traffic winning best picture? I still can't believe that won.
How the fuck did Glengarry NOT get an Adapted Screenplay nod? How the fuck???
How the fuck did Glengarry NOT get an Adapted Screenplay nod? How the fuck???
Would it even count? The movie was already a play. It wasn't adapted from a non-script source.
How the fuck did Glengarry NOT get an Adapted Screenplay nod? How the fuck???
Would it even count? The movie was already a play. It wasn't adapted from a non-script source.
Oh, never thought of that. You're probably right.
Edit: No, Chicago got a nod for Best Adapted Screenplay. Fuck that.
Halle Berry's token Oscar for HOO HA I'M BLACK AND I SHOWED MY FLOPPY TITS
Always remember: Gump beat Pulp Fiction.
And Shawshank too.
Films the Academy got RIGHT
From the list of nominees, last year (The Departed) was probably the best of the five. Still, seriously, Children of Men.
Schindler's List
The Silence of the Lambs
hahahahaha holy shit Babe was a Best Picture Nominee
hahahahaha holy shit Babe was a Best Picture Nominee
Babe is one of the best kid's movies ever.
Here's my point about Shawshank: even if the Academy didn't want to give the award to something like Pulp Fiction, they had a movie in a similar "emotionally manipulative" mold to Forrest Gump - but no doubt better - to pick.
QFThahahahaha holy shit Babe was a Best Picture Nominee
Babe is one of the best kid's movies ever.
hahahahaha holy shit Babe was a Best Picture Nominee
Babe is one of the best kid's movies ever.
hahahaha BABE
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
Films the Academy got RIGHT
From the list of nominees, last year (The Departed) was probably the best of the five. Still, seriously, Children of Men.
Schindler's List
The Silence of the Lambs
3. And to PD, The Departed is fucking boring and stupid. It was a pity Oscar. It's not even a good movie.
Never seen that either. Children's movies :-X
Except for TMNT 1 and 2. :rock
Films the Academy got RIGHT
From the list of nominees, last year (The Departed) was probably the best of the five. Still, seriously, Children of Men.
Schindler's List
The Silence of the Lambs
3. And to PD, The Departed is fucking boring and stupid. It was a pity Oscar. It's not even a good movie.
Eh, I disagree. Go watch the Condemned and tell me it sucks.
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those argumentsBecause the guy is a living saint and martyr, meant to get all our sympathy. I mean he gets falsely accused of murdering his wife (and says he deserved it WTF), raped and gets his free card shot but nevertheless help fellow inmates, helps prison guards and isn't fucking bitter about it. So by the time he steals all that money we think that's okay he deserves it.
Also Babe > Shawshank Redemption >>>> Forrest Gump.
Never seen that either. Children's movies :-X
Except for TMNT 1 and 2. :rock
Secret of the Ooze was a transformative experience for me as a young man.
And :lol at Patel's shitty taste.
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those argumentsBecause the guy is a living saint and martyr, meant to get all our sympathy. I mean he gets falsely accused of murdering his wife (and says he deserved it WTF), raped and gets his free card shot but nevertheless help fellow inmates, helps prison guards and isn't fucking bitter about it. So by the time he steals all that money we think that's okay he deserves it.
Also Babe > Shawshank Redemption >>>> Forrest Gump.
Pan's is the best movie of '07 hands fucking down
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
That's because you are easily manipulated. Basically, if you were a woman, and your husband beat you all the time, you'd probably think he still loved you.
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
That's because you are easily manipulated. Basically, if you were a woman, and your husband beat you all the time, you'd probably think he still loved you.
Explain it to me omg
Art elicits emotion. Music can create a sad atmosphere which people (you know, humans with emotions and stuff) relate to, and even cry over. Film can remind a person of past experiences, their family, etc. What's wrong with that?
Pan's Labyrinth is emotionally manipulative lol
Art elicits emotion. Music can create a sad atmosphere which people (you know, humans with emotions and stuff) relate to, and even cry over. Film can remind a person of past experiences, their family, etc. What's wrong with that?Read my post.
Also, he doesn't steal any money.Doesn't he go to the bank and get the laundered money to live on the beach?
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
That's because you are easily manipulated. Basically, if you were a woman, and your husband beat you all the time, you'd probably think he still loved you.
Explain it to me omg
Art elicits emotion. Music can create a sad atmosphere which people (you know, humans with emotions and stuff) relate to, and even cry over. Film can remind a person of past experiences, their family, etc. What's wrong with that?
Willco says you should never cry over a piece of entertainment because it's all FAKE.
Doesn't he go to the bank and get the laundered money to live on the beach?
Films the Academy got RIGHT
From the list of nominees, last year (The Departed) was probably the best of the five. Still, seriously, Children of Men.
Schindler's List
The Silence of the Lambs
3. And to PD, The Departed is fucking boring and stupid. It was a pity Oscar. It's not even a good movie.
Eh, I disagree. Go watch the Condemned and tell me it sucks.
What is The Condemned?
The Departed was a pity oscar for past sins against Marty. This isn't even debatable.
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
That's because you are easily manipulated. Basically, if you were a woman, and your husband beat you all the time, you'd probably think he still loved you.
Explain it to me omg
Art elicits emotion. Music can create a sad atmosphere which people (you know, humans with emotions and stuff) relate to, and even cry over. Film can remind a person of past experiences, their family, etc. What's wrong with that?
Pan's Labyrinth is emotionally manipulative lol
omg a little girl getting treated bad i feel so bad for her WTF MANIPULATION PLZ GOD MAKE ME FORGET I'M HUMAN
Yeah, but I saw it in 07 :) lolzPan's is the best movie of '07 hands fucking down
2006, and you're probably right. It's close between that and Children of Men, but Pan's has stayed with me more. Amazing amazing movie.
Seriously, go watch a truly bad film and then tell me that the Departed is a bad film.Films the Academy got RIGHT
From the list of nominees, last year (The Departed) was probably the best of the five. Still, seriously, Children of Men.
Schindler's List
The Silence of the Lambs
3. And to PD, The Departed is fucking boring and stupid. It was a pity Oscar. It's not even a good movie.
Eh, I disagree. Go watch the Condemned and tell me it sucks.
What is The Condemned?
The Departed was a pity oscar for past sins against Marty. This isn't even debatable.
It had good acting from an ensemble cast and it was interesting.
And honestly, are you going to tell me Little Miss Sunshine, The Queen, or Letters from Iwo Jima deserved it any more?
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
That's because you are easily manipulated. Basically, if you were a woman, and your husband beat you all the time, you'd probably think he still loved you.
Explain it to me omg
Art elicits emotion. Music can create a sad atmosphere which people (you know, humans with emotions and stuff) relate to, and even cry over. Film can remind a person of past experiences, their family, etc. What's wrong with that?
Emotional manipulation in a film is, to be blunt, when a narrative takes the easy way of getting an emotional response rather than relying on narrative strength. Due to living in a structured society, humans have all sorts of buttons that can be easily pressed in order to get an easily predictable response. But I'm not your fucking google, so read up on the psychological concept. It relatively easily maps directly onto film. Emotional manipulation is, say, teh equivalent of having canned laughter in a television show. It's there so the stupid people at home can tell what a joke is. Swelling strings in movies are pretty much cinematic canned laughter, for example.
And don't talk to me about art, rube. You're the one championing paper thin movies for the sole reason that they make you misty eyed. You're no aesthete, you are a robot.
Someone explain to me why Shawshank is emotionally manipulative. I've never understood or bought those arguments
That's because you are easily manipulated. Basically, if you were a woman, and your husband beat you all the time, you'd probably think he still loved you.
Explain it to me omg
Art elicits emotion. Music can create a sad atmosphere which people (you know, humans with emotions and stuff) relate to, and even cry over. Film can remind a person of past experiences, their family, etc. What's wrong with that?
Emotional manipulation in a film is, to be blunt, when a narrative takes the easy way of getting an emotional response rather than relying on narrative strength. Due to living in a structured society, humans have all sorts of buttons that can be easily pressed in order to get an easily predictable response. But I'm not your fucking google, so read up on the psychological concept. It relatively easily maps directly onto film. Emotional manipulation is, say, teh equivalent of having canned laughter in a television show. It's there so the stupid people at home can tell what a joke is. Swelling strings in movies are pretty much cinematic canned laughter, for example.
And don't talk to me about art, rube. You're the one championing paper thin movies for the sole reason that they make you misty eyed. You're no aesthete, you are a robot.
I was making a valid point about art, not questioning your understanding of it. I know you're an art cigarillo, don't crucify me son
But you never addressed my point. If a piece of art makes you cry does that mean it's emotionally manipulative?
Emotional manipulation in a film is, to be blunt, when a narrative takes the easy way of getting an emotional response rather than relying on narrative strength.
And considering art appreciation is subjective how can you question other people's honest reactions to said emotion?
And I remember that Steve Austin movie now. I kinda want to see that on account of it looking awesomely terrible.
if being elitist just means I'm not the dumbest motherfucker in the room, then hell yes I'm elitist
I'm sorry, but I haven't heard one substantive argument here. Art appreciation is subjective, and what you may find simple and "reprehensible" is quite moving and relevant to others. A person who saw the destructive effects of rampant drug use, or survived Vietnam might look at Forrest Gump completely different than you, and I don't think their life experience or your art knowledge makes either opinion more valid: it's opinion.
I'm sorry, but I haven't heard one substantive argument here. Art appreciation is subjective, and what you may find simple and "reprehensible" is quite moving and relevant to others. A person who saw the destructive effects of rampant drug use, or survived Vietnam might look at Forrest Gump completely different than you, and I don't think their life experience or your art knowledge makes either opinion more valid: it's opinion.
Well, I can't help that you're inexperienced. Maybe you should watch more good movies that have valid emotional payoffs, rather than terrible Hollywood movies featuring magical distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and nostalgia-by-numbers soundtracks composed of licensed music that has a readymade emotion already attached.
PD, I respect your views on the "films" that we discuss through PM.
I'm sorry, but I haven't heard one substantive argument here. Art appreciation is subjective, and what you may find simple and "reprehensible" is quite moving and relevant to others. A person who saw the destructive effects of rampant drug use, or survived Vietnam might look at Forrest Gump completely different than you, and I don't think their life experience or your art knowledge makes either opinion more valid: it's opinion.
Well, I can't help that you're inexperienced. Maybe you should watch more good movies that have valid emotional payoffs, rather than terrible Hollywood movies featuring magical distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and nostalgia-by-numbers soundtracks composed of licensed music that has a readymade emotion already attached.
What was wrong with the music? Do you know any people who grew up in the 60s and 70s? They'll tell you those songs were their soundtrack: why not pay homage to that in a film that goes through those years? I respect your opinion, I just respectfully disagree
To me it just helped set tone and atmosphere. Like in the scene where Jenny is about to commit suicide and you've got the hectic Free Bird guitar solo contributing to this sense of chaos :-\
Jenny :'(
To me it just helped set tone and atmosphere. Like in the scene where Jenny is about to commit suicide and you've got the hectic Free Bird guitar solo contributing to this sense of chaos :-\
Jenny :'(
To me it just helped set tone and atmosphere. Like in the scene where Jenny is about to commit suicide and you've got the hectic Free Bird guitar solo contributing to this sense of chaos :-\I mostly hated Forrest Gump because it was conservative propaganda.
Jenny :'(
To me it just helped set tone and atmosphere. Like in the scene where Jenny is about to commit suicide and you've got the hectic Free Bird guitar solo contributing to this sense of chaos :-\
Jenny :'(
Do you think one of the Black Panthers gave her AIDS? I think it was implied.
I mostly hated Forrest Gump because it was conservative propaganda.
I'm not talking about whether it's a good movie or not; that's a subjective decision. I'm talking about whether it's emotion is manipulative and cheap, and that anyone who falls for it is "dumb".You're dumb because you miss the obvious political slant. I mean think about it. I don't want to say you're a total idiot, but the 20th century is being told through the eyes of a...distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
I liked Forrest Gump okay at the time, don't see how in the blue hell you got conservative propaganda out of it
I guess you missed the subtext. Don't feel too bad, it seems like Tom Hanks did too.no, I don't think Tom would agree to play the lead role in a big hollywood movie that was a satire of a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. the problem with the movie is that nearly no one can relate to the events in forrest's life. cause those sorts of things would only happen to forrest. if you're trying to see things through the eyes of a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow in a movie that's about real historical events in the last 50 years then...yeah, think about that.
haha, okay then
Can't wait to hear Michael Bay's comments about the VFX upset. I mean, you know he will have something to say.
Can't wait to hear Michael Bay's comments about the VFX upset. I mean, you know he will have something to say.
Golden Compass over fighting robots? Get the fuck out of here, seriously.
I never in my wildest imagination thought about real life giant robots fighting on screen in warzones, fucked up designs be damned. It looked amazing and was truly a feat combining a LOT of real footage blended in seamlessly with GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS!
But yeah, Golden Compass :lol
Transformers was bad from a VFX standpoint? You guys are insane. What you're complaining about is art direction, TVC - not special effects. Regardless of how you hate the designs, the visual effects were fantastic.
So was Golden Compass undeserving or what? I didn't see any of the nominated movies.
This thread is awesome.
Pee Dee, how about this: any argument made from ignorance is invalid. Because you're ignorant, even if you stumble onto a correct argument (and you haven't in this thread) it doesn't mean that you're smart or correct- it just means that you're an intellectual parrot.
On topic, the biggest Oscar failure this decade will probably be Children of Men not winning cinematography. Or not even being NOMINATED for best picture. SHAME ON YOU, ACADEMY.
Transformers was bad from a VFX standpoint? You guys are insane. What you're complaining about is art direction, TVC - not special effects. Regardless of how you hate the designs, the visual effects were fantastic.
Transformers was bad from a VFX standpoint? You guys are insane. What you're complaining about is art direction, TVC - not special effects. Regardless of how you hate the designs, the visual effects were fantastic.
Can't wait to hear Michael Bay's comments about the VFX upset. I mean, you know he will have something to say.
Golden Compass over fighting robots? Get the fuck out of here, seriously.
I never in my wildest imagination thought about real life giant robots fighting on screen in warzones, fucked up designs be damned. It looked amazing and was truly a feat combining a LOT of real footage blended in seamlessly with GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS!
But yeah, Golden Compass :lol
Transformers looked like ass. I've said this from day 1. Whether they were technically more proficient or not is beside the point when the effects look unpleasing. The terrible faux-organic-inspired design made the robots look like messes when they were grappling together on the screen. As I've said before, it was difficult to tell where one robot ended and another began in that final sequence. I think there's only one truly impressive sequence in the movie (the desert fight with the military peeps. Not the opening one; the one after).
Transformers does nothing well. It might actually be Bay's worst movie.
I'm going to guess that you do since you're a film buff...but why are all other forms of emotional response ok except for shedding a tear? To say that you don't cry during movies/books shouldn't also mean that whomever does is an emo-cigarillo.
on the subject of failures
I was reminded last night when looking through recent Oscar picks that Crash won Best Picture (!) in 2006
it's only two years on and that choice looks way more distinguished mentally-challenged than it was even then
And thus Willco's defense of Transformer's visual effects turns into "NO U R!"
The Academy hasn't really awarded the most deserving film for this particular category within the past several years. Past winners include King Kong, Spider-Man 2 and all the Lord of the Rings films (over one or two probably more deserving flicks). You could make a case that Superman Returns got robbed, but I think the job on Davy Jones in Dead Man's Chest is reason enough that it deservedly won over Bryan Singer's underwhelming spandex flick.
The Aviator wasn't even nominated. I'm talking about within nominees. I agree with you that The Aviator should have been nominated, but then Children of Men should have also been nominated. So should several other flicks over the past few years.
I always get a little misty when I see the Marseillaise scene in Casablanca.:bow :bow :bow :bow
The Aviator wasn't even nominated. I'm talking about within nominees. I agree with you that The Aviator should have been nominated, but then Children of Men should have also been nominated. So should several other flicks over the past few years.
I really dug the visual effects on Batman Begins. The model work is excellent and some of the CG use is incredible. The flying shots look fake, but there were CG shots I didn't even know were CG shots until recently (when Batman jumps down the stairwell through the bats and lands and starts walking - it's all fake!). But that film wasn't even nominated.
What?! Holy shit.
Crash was shit. Don't be stupid. Munich was a little boring but I have a hell of a lot more respect for Spielberg showing he has balls. I never saw brokeback but I would still choose that over crash just out of principle. I mean, crash was so cheap in how it tried to pry emotions out of you and every line was an example of how not to write a scene about racial tension.on the subject of failures
I was reminded last night when looking through recent Oscar picks that Crash won Best Picture (!) in 2006
it's only two years on and that choice looks way more distinguished mentally-challenged than it was even then
When I heard it won, I wasn't too sad, because I thought all the films were basically on the same level (except for Munich, which was extremely boring and unlike anything I've seen from Spielberg).
However, at the time I hadn't seen Good Night and Good Luck or Capote. Honestly, those two films were superior to Crash, but not by much. Brokeback was good, but not great. Honestly, the entire year was a toss-up for me, so I can't really say that any of the films were any better than each other enough to where it actually mattered. No Country AND There Will Be Blood stomped the shit out of that year's entire selection. Hell, THE DEPARTED was better than everything in 2006 that was nominated for Best Picture.
Crash isn't too bad... just cheesy lolz