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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 05:42:55 PM

Title: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 05:42:55 PM: So yeah, hate to link to gaf, but

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248109 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248109)

Wonder how many discs that will be for the "inevitable X360 port."
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2008, 05:44:52 PM: he's full of shit and fucking with the media, as usual. *nods knowingly*
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Post by: hyp on March 03, 2008, 05:44:57 PM: how is this a fuck you if we're all getting it on the PS3 anyway? ???
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2008, 05:48:02 PM: I'm not getting it at all :p
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 05:48:54 PM: Quote from: hyp on March 03, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
how is this a fuck you if we're all getting it on the PS3 anyway? ???

Well, Evilbore is notorious for saying that the 360 version is all but confirmed for MGS4.

Seriously, if the game's going to be more than four discs, and judging the usual length of an MGS game, the PS3 version will be superior (if the 360 version is even made for christ sakes) just because you won't have to switch discs every hour or two of gameplay.
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Post by: demi on March 03, 2008, 05:49:06 PM: how is this a fuck you if we're not buying MGS4 anyway? ???
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Post by: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 05:53:07 PM: Sorry, one of my pet peeves is people fucking saying shit's coming out for something when it hasn't been confirmed.
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 05:53:31 PM: lmao kojima

bullshit. I refuse to believe it. Compress the audio and it'll smaller than 50 gb

but, I have to admit. If Lost Odyssey was 4 discs, I really wonder what MGS4 would be *gulp*
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 05:54:57 PM: disc 3 does, but funnily enough, disc 3 is the longest disc
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2008, 05:58:43 PM: Quote from: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 05:53:07 PM
Sorry, one of my pet peeves is people fucking saying shit's coming out for something when it hasn't been confirmed.

it hasn't been confirmed? ???
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Post by: drohne on March 03, 2008, 06:04:09 PM: gafers give truth a 'fuck you' when they assert that mgs4 is on a bd50 -- it's been ages since anyone relevant has said anything to that effect, and i think it's more likely that they're using a bd25. meanwhile forum tards have accepted the premise and launched into grossly uninformed speculations about compression or whatever
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: hyp on March 03, 2008, 06:08:04 PM: mgs4 better be fucking game of the decade.

this thing is supposed to save the ps3 right?
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Rman on March 03, 2008, 06:11:42 PM: Quote from: hyp on March 03, 2008, 06:08:04 PM
mgs4 better be fucking game of the decade.

this thing is supposed to save the ps3 right?

It won't. I love MGS, but the games aren't all that game play wise. I love the quirky story, though.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 06:13:00 PM: I dunno. I love MGS gameplay and find them extremely replayable. Doing MGS speed runs are always a blast.
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Post by: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 06:13:24 PM: I'm basically anticipating MGS4 more than any other game I've ever wanted. No shit.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2008, 06:15:55 PM: uncharted > mgs4
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: hyp on March 03, 2008, 06:17:38 PM: ouch. :lol
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2008, 06:20:12 PM: Quote from: hyp on March 03, 2008, 06:08:04 PM
mgs4 better be fucking game of the decade.

this thing is supposed to save the ps3 right?

Or Final Fantasy XIII or Little Big Planet or whatever.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 06:20:26 PM: Quote from: Bloodwake on March 03, 2008, 06:13:24 PM
I'm basically anticipating MGS4 more than any other game I've ever wanted. No shit.

I haven't been OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG about an MGS since MGS2. I'm surprised I'm not jizzing through my nose about MGS4 because MGS3 was by far and wide the best MGS. I'm getting the bundle on day one but like, I'm doing it out of habit. I'm sure the game will be OMFG because I haven't been disappointed by an MGS yet (MGS2 was fucking fun as hell shut up)

GTAIV is pretty much my most anticipated game ever at this point
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Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 06:30:15 PM: this forum should seriously be renamed bitterbannedongafxfagscryaboutstuffongafanddrinkxboxjizz.com
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Shuri on March 03, 2008, 06:31:17 PM: Watch the pirate release of mgs4 being 15gb; just like resistance was suposed to be 30gb but turned to be 6gb. I own a ps3, I love it, but if MGS4 was to get a simultaneous release; I'd buy the 360 port simply because I would be able to talk with friends and be on msn while playing. Also the controller is ages ahead of the ps3.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: drew on March 03, 2008, 06:31:55 PM: Die in a fire Calcifier. Die. In. A. Fire.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 06:42:14 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 03, 2008, 06:31:40 PM
Calcifer should be renamed something suitably gay and wacky jappy.

o wait

howl's moving castle is a british book you noob

now go watch some faggy padded sport and get fatter, taco
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 06:42:40 PM: Quote from: Drewsy on March 03, 2008, 06:31:55 PM
Die in a fire Calcifier. Die. In. A. Fire.

i cant lol
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 06:48:14 PM: No. No. We do this ~~outside~~ ON GAF.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 07:02:28 PM: dont try so hard mang
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 07:04:10 PM: catcoffin :lol :lol
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 07:12:00 PM: cat coffin :lol
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on March 03, 2008, 07:29:33 PM: Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
how is this a fuck you if we're not buying MGS4 anyway? ???

Amen.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2008, 08:05:31 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 03, 2008, 05:54:11 PM
Does Lost Odyssey have a lot of cg?

You can go to almost every area on Disc 4, so it's gotta be the CG.

I'm still not convinced MGS4 is coming to 360 though.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2008, 08:21:42 PM: So it's confirmed to be an interactive movie then? Awesome ::)
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2008, 08:34:22 PM: Quote from: pilonv1 on March 03, 2008, 08:21:42 PM
So it's confirmed to be an interactive movie then? Awesome ::)

There's really not that much CG either, it's mostly in-engine. I don't really understand why it's 4 discs.

Oh, or do you mean MGS4
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 08:38:37 PM: MGS has never had CG. So space is not a CG problem.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2008, 08:44:57 PM: Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2008, 08:34:22 PM
Oh, or do you mean MGS4

Yes. Even if it's not CG it's still an interactive movie.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 09:09:07 PM: 7.1 lossless audio :punch :punch :punch
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2008, 09:10:28 PM: 7.1 minutes of gameplay :piss :piss :piss
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 09:12:48 PM: Quote from: pilonv1 on March 03, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
7.1 minutes of gameplay :piss :piss :piss

hours of kojima-sama goodness :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 09:18:06 PM: Quote from: pilonv1 on March 03, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
7.1 minutes of gameplay :piss :piss :piss

Quote
So it's confirmed to be an interactive movie then? Awesome

how is this confirmed by disk space? yeah thats right eat it
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Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 09:19:14 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 03, 2008, 09:14:43 PM
Homojapual confirmed. Do your chav schoolmates beat you up for your Sailor Moon t-shirt?

i only wear my sailor moon t-shirt under my pokemon hoodie
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2008, 09:45:36 PM: Quote from: dcharlie on March 03, 2008, 09:25:36 PM
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7.1 lossless audio

i wonder how many sfags jizzing over this even have a system that would allow them to appreciate the difference?

i swear to god , how much do you want to bet people will be "OMG the uncompressed linear PCM audio is freaking amazing!" as it exits their two speaker tv set up....

.... via composite. smh @ sfb Sfags.

Fixed
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Post by: drohne on March 03, 2008, 09:53:17 PM: i can tell the difference between uncompressed/losslessly compressed audio and dd/dts on some blu rays. if i'm using headphones, anyway -- i haven't got the setup for uncompressed surround

but:

a. we don't know if mgs4 is using uncompressed audio
b. whether it's 7.1 is irrelevant -- consoles mix audio in real time, so more channels wouldn't use more space
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:01:55 PM: have the people who say mgs doesn't have gameplay played an mgs ever
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 10:02:34 PM: Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:01:55 PM
have the people who say mgs doesn't have gameplay played an mgs ever

well to be fair they've only been able to play mgs2:s
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:04:40 PM: play mgs on extreme or euro extreme and then get back to me feggits
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:06:59 PM: Quote from: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:01:55 PM
have the people who say mgs doesn't have gameplay played an mgs ever

well to be fair they've only been able to play mgs2:s
:lol :lol i like that one, calcifer
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:08:46 PM: Quote from: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:01:55 PM
have the people who say mgs doesn't have gameplay played an mgs ever

well to be fair they've only been able to play mgs2:s

:rofl
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 10:09:08 PM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:01:55 PM
have the people who say mgs doesn't have gameplay played an mgs ever

well to be fair they've only been able to play mgs2:s
:lol :lol i like that one, calcifer

i hope dcharlie sees it... he really hurt my feelings :'(
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:11:18 PM: xbots are congenitally incapable of appreciating playstation franchises until some thoughtful developer has produced a clone for their cruder sensibilities

splinter cell :bow
forza :bow
ninja gaiden :bow
lost odyssey :bow
saint's row :bow
etc :bow

they do like good games, they just like them at second hand
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 03, 2008, 10:14:43 PM: Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:04:40 PM
play mgs on extreme or euro extreme and then get back to me feggits

I'm such a MGS cigarillo. I totally beat MGS2 on all modes, and got all the dog tags. It was a turning point in my life.

Kojima san :bow

Metal Gear Solid :bow

Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:11:18 PM
xbots are congenitally incapable of appreciating playstation franchises until some thoughtful developer has produced a clone for their cruder sensibilities

splinter cell :bow
forza :bow
ninja gaiden :bow
lost odyssey :bow
saint's row :bow
etc :bow

they do like good games, they just like them at second hand

:lol

ouch
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2008, 10:15:03 PM: saints row pisses on gta from a great height

omg saints row, the authentic icy hot stuntaz virtual experience :bow2
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:25:50 PM: Fuck Saints Row
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:30:53 PM: splinter cell - MGS is far better. Splinter Cell sucks.
forza - Way better than Gran Turismo. The only sim racer series I like.
ninja gaiden - Not better than DMC. By a long shot.
lost odyssey - Better than the entire last decade of Final Fantasy
saint's row - lol GTA was never a Sony franchise. Only nubs think that. Plus Saint's Row ain't better than nothing. Better than the rest of the GTA clones yes, but that doesn't mean anything.
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Post by: Eric P on March 03, 2008, 10:32:48 PM: i prefer the stories and settings of splinter cell over mgs
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:35:10 PM: I hate how Splinter Cell uses levels instead of actual full environments and areas. Plus, MGS camp is the shit. Also I will never forget when Snipe Wolf died. Oh Sniper Wolf!!! :( :'(
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:41:04 PM: Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:30:53 PM

splinter cell - MGS is far better. Splinter Cell sucks.
forza - Way better than Gran Turismo. The only sim racer series I like.
ninja gaiden - Not better than DMC. By a long shot.
lost odyssey - Better than the entire last decade of Final Fantasy
saint's row - lol GTA was never a Sony franchise. Only nubs think that. Plus Saint's Row ain't better than nothing. Better than the rest of the GTA clones yes, but that doesn't mean anything.

SC is total garbage. I hate that series. fucking ubisoft. Needs to vanish.

Sniper Wolf is awesome. The first battle in the comm tower hall was awesome....so intense.
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:41:30 PM: MGS1's backtracking is by far the worst. In fact that's my number one issue with the game.

Still prefer it to having levels and shitty Splinter Shell!

Sniper Wolf!!! RUSSIAN ACCENT!!!!! :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
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Post by: demi on March 03, 2008, 10:45:06 PM: i suppose MGS has the advantage of fitting homosexual vampires into its storyline

i suppose.
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Post by: drew on March 03, 2008, 10:47:36 PM: Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:11:18 PM
xbots are congenitally incapable of appreciating playstation franchises until some thoughtful developer has produced a clone for their cruder sensibilities

splinter cell :bow
forza :bow
ninja gaiden :bow
lost odyssey :bow
saint's row :bow
etc :bow

they do like good games, they just like them at second hand

:maf

Take ninja gaiden and Forza back, or I'll shiv yer junk with a flagpole.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:49:15 PM: Average splinter cell level:

LAMBERT: Sam, top secret intelligence briefing from THE GOVERNMENT reveals that [Arab name] has been colluding with [South East Asian name] in [South East Asian country]. We need you to cut the power and then CUT HIS THROAT. Grims' got the details on your OPSTATLOLCOMMRAWL.

SAM: I'm getting too old for this. *gruff*

GRIMSDOTTIR: Sam, I've tracked the power source to the oil refinery underneath the secret laboratory somewhere inside the cargo hold on the USS Kaopectate off the coast of [South East Asian town]. I'm sending over the coordinates to your HUD.

SAM: I'm getting to old for this. *gruff*

*soldier walks past sam*

*soldier walks away from sam*
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 10:53:49 PM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:49:15 PM
Average splinter cell level:

LAMBERT: Sam, top secret intelligence briefing from THE GOVERNMENT reveals that [Arab name] has been colluding with [South East Asian name] in [South East Asian country]. We need you to cut the power and then CUT HIS THROAT. Grims' got the details on your OPSTATLOLCOMMRAWL.

SAM: I'm getting too old for this. *gruff*

GRIMSDOTTIR: Sam, I've tracked the power source to the oil refinery underneath the secret laboratory somewhere inside the cargo hold on the USS Kaopectate off the coast of [South East Asian town]. I'm sending over the coordinates to your HUD.

SAM: I'm getting to old for this. *gruff*

*soldier walks past sam*

*soldier walks away from sam*

:lol :lol
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Post by: demi on March 03, 2008, 10:58:02 PM: I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)
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Post by: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:58:24 PM: i love ninja gaiden -- and i guess my sensibilities were too crude for dmc, cos i didn't like it at first. dmc3 fucks ninja gaiden in the ass, however. and dmc4's combat is even better than dmc3's, though it has problems elsewhere

forza has no real reason to exist. it's purely an artifact of competing console standards. that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter
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Post by: tiesto on March 03, 2008, 10:58:32 PM: Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:11:18 PM
xbots are congenitally incapable of appreciating playstation franchises until some thoughtful developer has produced a clone for their cruder sensibilities

splinter cell :bow
forza :bow
ninja gaiden :bow
lost odyssey :bow
saint's row :bow
etc :bow

they do like good games, they just like them at second hand

Well, Forza and LO definitely outdo the originals, at least... Splinter Cell = ugh.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:59:55 PM: Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

The only acceptable SC is Chaos Theory.

Quote
Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)
Dyack trash :-X

Ghost Babel was great though.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2008, 11:05:47 PM: Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 10:25:50 PM
Fuck Saints Row

i thought you were white :'(
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: demi on March 03, 2008, 11:08:10 PM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

The only acceptable SC is Chaos Theory.

Quote
Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)
Dyack trash :-X

Ghost Babel was great though.

Dude. If MGS2 can have homosexual vampires, presidents grabbing balls, and dudes running naked, then Twin Snakes is a masterpiece. Be real now.
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:11:26 PM: twin snakes is garbage
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Post by: Rman on March 03, 2008, 11:13:02 PM: Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 11:08:10 PM
Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

The only acceptable SC is Chaos Theory.

Quote
Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)
Dyack trash :-X

Ghost Babel was great though.

Dude. If MGS2 can have homosexual vampires, presidents grabbing balls, and dudes running naked, then Twin Snakes is a masterpiece. Be real now.
Vamp is actually bi, demi ;)
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:14:53 PM: MGS2's villians were lame :lol

FORTUNE: THE BITCH WHO WON'T DIE
FATMAN: THE DUDE WHO'S FAT
VAMP: A HOMOSEXUAL VAMPIRE
REVOLVER OCELOT: NOW WITH LIQUID SNAKE HAND

the best new character in mgs2 was fucking olga.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Rman on March 03, 2008, 11:16:51 PM: Yes, compared to MGS1 rogue's gallery MGS2 was pathetic.

:bow Liquid Snake--the nicca who never dies :bow
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2008, 11:17:35 PM: I'll wait for the 360 version. Having more disks makes me feel like I got a great deal :bow
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:18:21 PM: MGS3's villians sucked too. I mean, THE END, THE FURY;etc. were just boring. Thankfully The Joy and volgin OWNED

KUWABARA KUWABARA

RAIDENOVICH
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:18:53 PM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 08:38:37 PM
MGS has never had CG. So space is not a CG problem.

MGS does have some videoclips though, like Drohne mentioned a few days ago. But those shouldn't take that much space unless Kojima decides to put in 2 hrs of 1080P video, which would make the game shit imo.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:22:30 PM: MGS3's boss battles rocked so hard.

But I think MGS2's were good too....the Vamp battle was awesome

Plus he's fucking PHIL LAMARR
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:22:39 PM: the end's boss fight was the most epic boss fight i ever experienced.

i'm talking about character wise not battle wise! MGS boss battles have always been consistent and 10000 x awesome
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:24:59 PM: who else is up for MGS1-3 speed run before MGS4 i will even take a week off from gta4 to do it
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:25:33 PM: MGS is one of my favorite all-time series but its stealth elements are garbage compared to Splinter Cell. For a series that's built around stealth, it's pretty sad that stealth is broken in every MGS game because of the shitty cameras and controls that aren't made for stealth gameplay.
Title: Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
Post by: drohne on March 03, 2008, 11:28:05 PM: Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 11:24:59 PM
who else is up for MGS1-3 speed run before MGS4 i will even take a week off from gta4 to do it

hell yeah. i was going to do this last year, but got sidetracked halfway through mgs2. i actually haven't played portable ops yet, so i'm looking forward to that
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:28:41 PM: imo mgs3's stealth elements are fine. MGS3 has the same camera SC has, so I dunno what you're talking about.

It doesn't break any rules every other stealth series doesn't break (excepting MAYBE thief 1 and 2) and CQC really puts it in a very good place for taking people out.

Compared to SC's "sneak up to a guy and wait for the dialog box to change and pray" mechanic? posta please.
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Post by: Rman on March 03, 2008, 11:29:40 PM: Let's do it for the collection that's coming out. I sold my trilogy. I'll rebuy the collection. It's already pre-ordered.
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:29:59 PM: Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:25:33 PM
MGS is one of my favorite all-time series but its stealth elements are garbage compared to Splinter Cell. For a series that's built around stealth, it's pretty sad that stealth is broken in every MGS game because of the shitty cameras and controls that aren't made for stealth gameplay.

MGS3 kicks splinter cell's ass in terms of stealth

MGS1 and 2 too
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:31:10 PM: I haven't played Portable Ops either. I want to play it before MGS4. What is Portable Ops +? Is it the original game with extras?
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:32:18 PM: I think PO+ might just be the multiplayer stuff. PO was a good game I thought but it had a lot of problems. The 3d camera was nightmareish at times and the game was broken up into individual levels....which really breaks the stealth (QUICKLY RUN TO THE RED SQUARE BEFORE ANYONE SEES YOU).

But the story makes it worth it imo...

I kind of wonder if Konami will do another, the first one sold very well.
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM: MGS with individual levels? :-X
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Post by: TVC15 on March 03, 2008, 11:35:39 PM: I really wanted to like Portable Ops, but the controls were asking too much of the PSP.

I'm not sure how much I'm anticipating the new MGS. I'm not going to let myself get hyped. I only ever play the games for the stories, since in the last two major games, the gameplay was kind of broken (note: I haven't played Subsistence, which has a camera that might potentially make it not broken/as broken).

I'm sure I'll get it, play it, and enjoy it, but I'm not going to follow the media at all.
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Post by: demi on March 03, 2008, 11:36:14 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 03, 2008, 11:23:30 PM

spoiler (click to show/hide)
After more Stranglehold achievements :'(
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lawl lawl
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:36:40 PM: i haven't followed mgs4's media.

I've been on media blackout.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:37:30 PM: Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 11:28:05 PM
Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 11:24:59 PM
who else is up for MGS1-3 speed run before MGS4 i will even take a week off from gta4 to do it

hell yeah. i was going to do this last year, but got sidetracked halfway through mgs2. i actually haven't played portable ops yet, so i'm looking forward to that

MGS:PO was the only MGS game that I've never beaten. The combination of clunky PSP controls and terrible camera angles (even by MGS standards) killed any fun for me. Switching between teammates was fun at the beginning but it gets tedious after awhile. The story is surprisingly enjoyable though, if you can look past the problems.

Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:28:41 PM
imo mgs3's stealth elements are fine

It doesn't break any rules every other stealth series doesn't break (excepting MAYBE thief 1 and 2) and CQC really puts it in a very good place for taking people out.

Compared to SC's "sneak up to a guy and wait for the dialog box to change and pray" mechanic? posta please.

At least, I can see where the fuck I'm supposed to go in SC. The stealth elements in the original MGS3 were even worse than MGS2 because of the more primitive radars and the camera is as bad as always. How the fuck can you sneak around someone if you can't even see where he is? Of course, you can keep switching to 1st person view but that is just tedious as fuck. Stealth only works in MGS if you've either memorized the enemy movements or if you have the patience of a turtle. The only fun way to play MGS is to play it Rambo style.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:38:55 PM: It's the same camera in MGS3S. Which is basically Kojima admitting he was wrong. You win the point. He fixed it.
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:39:54 PM: Quote
How the fuck can you sneak around someone if you can't even see where he is?

Uhhh...
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Post by: Mupepe on March 03, 2008, 11:42:59 PM: Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:58:24 PM
that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter
you're on crack regarding this one drohne.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:43:07 PM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:38:55 PM
It's the same camera in MGS3S. Which is basically Kojima admitting he was wrong. You win the point. He fixed it.

Too bad he didn't do it right the first time. The 2nd time playing a MGS game is never as fun.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:46:32 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on March 03, 2008, 11:42:59 PM
Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:58:24 PM
that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter
you're on crack regarding this one drohne.

I gotta agree here. Forza 2 is just a better package overall than any official numbered release Polyphony has put out to this point. But GT5 looks really promising to me (despite constant trolling by interweb trolls :D)

Forza 2 was so wow to me...loved the online stuff, liveries, tinkering with stuff, the auction house...so great.

Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:38:55 PM
It's the same camera in MGS3S. Which is basically Kojima admitting he was wrong. You win the point. He fixed it.

Too bad he didn't do it right the first time. The 2nd time playing a MGS game is never as fun.

Disagree!

To prove his AWESOMENESS, he went RE4 camera for MGS4 if you want it. So you can have any view you want!
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:46:55 PM: mgs3's biggest problem is that it is too long

i spent 30 hours with mgs3 the first time

it usually takes me 15 hours to beat an mgs

i mean it was the best mgs experience to me by far but its length makes it the least replayable.
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Post by: TVC15 on March 03, 2008, 11:51:06 PM: You don't know how to play games. I am pretty sure MGS3 was the shortest one for me.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:52:50 PM: MGS3 is the longest one for sure...it also has the fewest cutscenes (and almost no codec conversations).
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Post by: TVC15 on March 03, 2008, 11:54:02 PM: I coulda sworn I had like 13 hours for that one, and 20ish for the other two games.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:55:15 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on March 03, 2008, 11:54:02 PM
I coulda sworn I had like 13 hours for that one, and 20ish for the other two games.

I think I am generally 8 - 10 - 14 for the series.

I can finish MGS2 really quickly if I skip a lot of the scenes though. My last playthrough was under 6 hours.
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Post by: TVC15 on March 03, 2008, 11:56:29 PM: Eh, yeah, I guess you are probably right if we eliminate cut scene time.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2008, 11:56:46 PM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:46:32 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 03, 2008, 11:42:59 PM
Quote from: drohne on March 03, 2008, 10:58:24 PM
that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter
you're on crack regarding this one drohne.

I gotta agree here. Forza 2 is just a better package overall than any official numbered release Polyphony has put out to this point. But GT5 looks really promising to me (despite constant trolling by interweb trolls :D)

Forza 2 was so wow to me...loved the online stuff, liveries, tinkering with stuff, the auction house...so great.

I could see why some would pick Forza over GT since both series are so similar.

I don't know why people would the do the same with SC/MGS or NG/DMC.

Other than belonging to the same genre, Gaiden and DMC share little similarities. NG focuses on defense and counterattacking while DMC is all about jumping around and juggling enemies in the end.

Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:38:55 PM

Disagree!

To prove his AWESOMENESS, he went RE4 camera for MGS4 if you want it. So you can have any view you want!

For me, there's no reason to play a MGS game again once I've beaten it. I've already seen the cutscenes and figured out how to beat each boss, which are the funnest parts. The flaws with the core gameplay annoy me enough that I don't really want to play any MGS game a 2nd time.
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Post by: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:58:01 PM: ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(
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Post by: Himu on March 03, 2008, 11:58:03 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on March 03, 2008, 11:51:06 PM
You don't know how to play games. I am pretty sure MGS3 was the shortest one for me.

nope. it terms of things to do mgs3 has the most. Getting the frogs, and all of that can be time consuming. Even more so if you're like me and bothered to hold up all bosses as well as tranq them so you can get their shit. And then there's tons of things to find like camos, weapons, and items (lots of people miss the croc hat for example). I'll admit I left my game on for a bit, so it was probably 25 hours in the end, but MGS3 is definitely the longest MGS because of the amount of gameplay variety and stuff it has at its disposal
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Post by: TVC15 on March 04, 2008, 12:01:35 AM: I only care about playing for the story. What's the point of doing the boss shit and all?
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2008, 12:03:06 AM: Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:58:01 PM
ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

I don't know about that. The guy playing in the NG2 videos is an expert. I doubt most people will be playing at that level.

Just adjusting to the speed of NG2 is going to take awhile. From what I played of the DMC4 demo, it was a pretty fast game yet it seems to be running in slow-mo compared to NG2.
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Post by: drew on March 04, 2008, 12:15:08 AM: Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2008, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:58:01 PM
ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

I don't know about that. The guy playing in the NG2 videos is an expert. I doubt most people will be playing at that level.

:lol

The guy playing the GDC vids was a total newb. If that was an expert then I am a god.
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Post by: calcifer on March 04, 2008, 12:20:49 AM: Quote from: ParticleReality on March 03, 2008, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 09:09:07 PM
7.1 lossless audio :punch :punch :punch

Things most people won't use :punch :punch :punch

must really suck being poor
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Post by: demi on March 04, 2008, 12:26:06 AM: Quote from: calcifer on March 04, 2008, 12:20:49 AM
Quote from: ParticleReality on March 03, 2008, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: calcifer on March 03, 2008, 09:09:07 PM
7.1 lossless audio :punch :punch :punch

Things most people won't use :punch :punch :punch

must really suck being poor

hey woah, crossing personal territory, ease it up beep beep
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2008, 12:30:16 AM: Most of the people at GAF that make a big deal about lossless audio are filthy poors by audiophile standards. The equipment that they use are simply laughable for guys that gripe so much about sound quality. High end amp/preamp and speakers with regular 5.1 DD will own the fuck out of their budget HDMI receivers and 7.1 speakers that cost less than $2000 total.

Quote from: Drewsy on March 04, 2008, 12:15:08 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2008, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: y2kev on March 03, 2008, 11:58:01 PM
ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

I don't know about that. The guy playing in the NG2 videos is an expert. I doubt most people will be playing at that level.

:lol

The guy playing the GDC vids was a total newb. If that was an expert then I am a god.

WTF? It must have been Ninja Dog mode or something. Otherwise, NG2 seems to have gotten even easier than DMC4.
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Post by: Himu on March 04, 2008, 12:38:38 AM: Quote from: TVC 15 on March 04, 2008, 12:01:35 AM
I only care about playing for the story. What's the point of doing the boss shit and all?

if you hold the end up three times you get his camo, which is one of the best camos in the game. if you tranquilize the bosses instead of going all out (hitting them with physical attacks counts as tranq iirc) you get their camo. If you tranq The End you get his sniper rifle which is a tranquilizer sniper rifle, which makes tranqing bosses easier. Also there's no alerts playthrough which nets you stealth as well a no kills playthrough which nets you even more extra shit.
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Post by: drohne on March 04, 2008, 12:53:38 AM: mgs3 gives you a lot of freedom to play it in different ways. you can bull through using cqc when you're spotted, on another level of involvement you can sneak through mainly using guns or tranq darts -- but it's really satisfying when you try to stealthily dispatch enemies up close. that's how i play every mgs game, but mgs3's complex areas and lack of radar make that approach particularly compelling. i think it took me 30 hours my first time through. i'm actually more of an mgs3 fan than a fan of the series as a whole, but i've retconned my ambivalence about the first two games

ninja gaiden is team ninja's love letter to capcom action games -- it's funny to watch itagaki and the sigma guy try to ward off that obvious debt. itagaki has actually started to feign ignorance of dmc. at high levels dmc is about using offense as defense rather than combo madness for its own sake -- it's about how you move within combos to throw off enemy attacks, and it's just about the best thing in videogames. team ninja are probably too arrogant to learn from it at this point, but ninja gaiden 2 should be awesome in its own right
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2008, 12:55:18 AM: I try to sneak around in the first 2 hrs of every MGS game but then I lose my patience and just Rambo it for the rest of the way.
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Post by: Himu on March 04, 2008, 12:59:35 AM: I have a lot of patience.

I really didn't mind sitting in grass for 1-2 full minutes monitoring guard patterns.

Another MGS3 problem: the alert takes too damn long to subside.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2008, 01:10:53 AM: I will go on a Triology Vision Quest with you
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2008, 01:34:55 AM: Quote from: drohne on March 04, 2008, 12:53:38 AM
ninja gaiden is team ninja's love letter to capcom action games -- it's funny to watch itagaki and the sigma guy try to ward off that obvious debt. itagaki has actually started to feign ignorance of dmc. at high levels dmc is about using offense as defense rather than combo madness for its own sake -- it's about how you move within combos to throw off enemy attacks, and it's just about the best thing in videogames. team ninja are probably too arrogant to learn from it at this point, but ninja gaiden 2 should be awesome in its own right

DMC revolves around juggling enemies in the air and keeping Dante in the air as long as possible. OTOH, NG has a big emphasis on doing ground combos. The combat in both games are so different that I just don't see how Gaiden can be viewed as a clone of DMC. It's like saying Resistance is a Halo clone simply because it's a shooter with Aliens as enemies.

Personally, I'm glad that the next Gaiden isn't going to imitate DMC's offense as defense philosophy. The defensive gameplay in Gaiden is one of the main reasons why its swordplay is more palpable than most games.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2008, 01:47:25 AM: I was somehow hyped for MGS2 from the demo or something, despite its goofy controls. So I bought that shit. I forced myself through it, witnessing a man talking to his own hand and a queer ass vampire, before giving up when I had to defuse 3 bombs in three identical areas or some shit.

SC sucks too, I borrowed the original off a friend and had it back in the case before I got through the tutorial area with the broken glass on the floor.
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Post by: drohne on March 04, 2008, 01:49:41 AM: the izuna drop is a canned version of dmc's air combos, and after the flying swallow, it's the game's most abusable move. there are other weapons that emphasize ground combos, but that's the case with dmc's gauntlet weapons as well. the thing about ninja gaiden is that it doesn't just borrow dmc and onimusha's combat conventions -- it borrows their structure, with the archaic 'puzzles' and backtracking they inherited from resident evil. borrowing good ideas is defensible; borrowing bad ideas is damning. they were so in love with capcom's games that they couldn't look at them critically. even the user interface is dmc's.

i hope ninja gaiden 2 will move away from that stuff -- sigma started to trim it back. wouldn't be the first instance of capcom's lazy sequelizing allowing another developer to run away with their ideas

resistance has got a crush on halo, btw
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2008, 01:55:15 AM: Syphon Filter > MGS > Splinter Cell

spoiler (click to show/hide)
xfag total? drohnes post was way off on that list of games
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If I like SF would I like MGS3 more than MGS2?
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 02:27:40 AM: the backtracking in NG1 was done much better than DMC4, shit was overkill in DMC4.

and itagaki already said NG2 is trimming on the puzzles and backtracking, it will be straight forward from one level to another unless things changed when he said that.
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Post by: brawndolicious on March 04, 2008, 04:32:07 AM: Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on March 03, 2008, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
how is this a fuck you if we're not buying MGS4 anyway? ???
Amen.
seriously, I only buy games that I play longer than the total time of the cutscenes. don't get what there is at all that hyped people for this series. it held BACK videogames imo. kojima even said video games can never be art and here he is spending millions on the start screen or some shit...I'm guessing all it's fans just feel a stupid obligation to support every high-budget jappy wacky game there is. even though the gameplay's so horrible, it kind of makes up for it by having more movies than gameplay.
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Post by: Kyle on March 04, 2008, 05:02:50 AM: MGS4 the ultimate next-gen game, 360 can not handle ultimate next-gen games.
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Post by: TVC15 on March 04, 2008, 05:12:10 AM: Quote from: drohne on March 04, 2008, 12:53:38 AM
ninja gaiden is team ninja's love letter to capcom action games -- it's funny to watch itagaki and the sigma guy try to ward off that obvious debt. itagaki has actually started to feign ignorance of dmc. at high levels dmc is about using offense as defense rather than combo madness for its own sake -- it's about how you move within combos to throw off enemy attacks, and it's just about the best thing in videogames. team ninja are probably too arrogant to learn from it at this point, but ninja gaiden 2 should be awesome in its own right

This is bullshit. The DMC series wasn't even on the same plane as NG until DMC3, which was a post-NG release. DMC may have invented the fancy fightin' genre, but NG was the one that brought it to the next level. Pre-NG, the DMC games were much slower-paced, and easier when they weren't reliant on cheapness.

Really, drohne, between your earlier list (which equated Splinter Cell and MGS?!?!?!?!?) and this, your Sony slip is showing. You're smarter than being an obvious console fanboy. I know this forum leans to the X more than most, but please don't talk nonsense.
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 05:35:03 AM: that list was weird...

saint's row and gta? i don't think xbots like SR because it's on the 360, they like it BECAUSE IT'S SUPERIOR, or so they say and both games are multi now. (SR would have launched on PS3 if it was out, just like Condemned)

FF and Lost Odyssey? dude, Sakaguchi created both.

and as for splinter cell, don't know much about it other than everyone say that chaos theory is the best one so far.
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Post by: drohne on March 04, 2008, 05:37:34 AM: that first post was pure trolling. it was aimed at the people who like those games and disparage their precursors, not the games themselves. who knew it would spark discussion

ninja gaiden was absolutely better than dmc1, and i doubt i would've reinvestigated the dmc series if i hadn't liked it so much. and for a general audience looking for something besides a sophisticated combat system to dig into, it's arguably better than 3 and certainly better than 4. but

a. that doesn't expunge ng's debts to dmc

b. from that particular combat angle, dmc now beats ninja gaiden as thoroughly as ninja gaiden beats everything else

'you're too smart for this console fanboyism' is my response a lot of the stuff that's posted here -- fuckin deadmeat is this forum's technical guru in absentia. i haven't got any private use for console loyalties, but i'll gladly don the sony slip, panties, bra, stockings, and garters for forum purposes. the xfaggotry that's become the default pose of forum posters, the enthusiast press, tech bloggers etc is just that stifling
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Post by: TVC15 on March 04, 2008, 05:42:44 AM: I'm ashamed, then. Consider yourself extremely successful since I couldn't even tell you were intentionally trolling.

Quote
the xfaggotry that's become the default pose of forum posters, the enthusiast press, tech bloggers etc is just that stifling

I'd say you are seeing what you want to see. The anti-Xbox shitism is about as prominent as the pro-Xbox shitism, in general. This forum happens to land on the pro side, largely (I assume) because GAF is so firmly on the anti side.
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Post by: drohne on March 04, 2008, 05:58:47 AM: it's entirely possible that i'm wrong about the prevailing 360 bias -- come to think of it i barely read the enthusiast media. but i prefer an entertaining misconception to a dull truth, and anyway i need somebody to antagonize now that nintendo and their fans have left the building
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Post by: TVC15 on March 04, 2008, 06:02:17 AM: Quote from: drohne on March 04, 2008, 05:58:47 AM
it's entirely possible that i'm wrong about the prevailing 360 bias -- come to think of it i barely read the enthusiast media. but i prefer an entertaining misconception to a dull truth, and anyway i need somebody to antagonize now that nintendo and their fans have left the building

Does Ngai need to be mentioned? Pachter? Some of the people in the bleeders may be pro-360, but the names that reach the widest audiences (even if they are not game enthusiast audiences) are totally in the Sony camp. From a perspective of, well, perspectives, the war is 50/50.

This forum, like it or not, is largely a response to GAF. Surprise, GAF is filled with PS3 shitheads and this one is filled with 360 shitheads. Pick your poison. FREEDOM.
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 06:04:16 AM: :bow :bow :bow deadmeat is a legend :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
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Post by: bud on March 04, 2008, 08:14:40 AM: syphon filter was terrific. headshots in that game were really satisfying.
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Post by: abrader on March 04, 2008, 08:51:31 AM: OK - who is 'core' enough to replay...

Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2
Metal Gaer Solid 3 - PS2

before MGS4 comes out?
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Post by: abrader on March 04, 2008, 08:53:00 AM: Quote from: abrader on March 04, 2008, 08:51:31 AM
OK - who is 'core' enough to replay...

Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2
Metal Gaer Solid 3 - PS2

before MGS4 comes out?

but play them in this order...

Metal Gear Solid 3 - PS2
Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2

for timeline continuity.
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Post by: tiesto on March 04, 2008, 08:56:07 AM: I'd like to play the first 2 MG games on MSX one day...
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Post by: abrader on March 04, 2008, 09:16:58 AM: Quote from: tiesto on March 04, 2008, 08:56:07 AM
I'd like to play the first 2 MG games on MSX one day...

I got them included with MGS3: Substinance.

They are on disk 3 I think.
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Post by: bud on March 04, 2008, 09:24:13 AM: are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.
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Post by: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 10:43:45 AM: Quote from: Groo on March 04, 2008, 01:11:56 AM
Quote from: Himuro on March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM
MGS with individual levels? :-X

I am gonna quote this to kingdom come when MGS4 comes out, because Himuro is going to get owned to hell and back.

It's definitely different in MGS4 though, mostly because the location changes so drastically (there is no self contained island, jungle, etc.) But the MGSPO levels are like 2 minutes long.
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Post by: Mupepe on March 04, 2008, 10:50:42 AM: I'm going to jack off for MGS4. I will get my PS3 then. I've been tempted to get one before, but I always thought "I'll get one for MGS4!" so the bundle makes sense. And I need my BC, so yeah. Should I get MGS3:S in anticipation as well (can't play it lolz)?

MGS3 was pure fucking sex
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 10:56:28 AM: Quote from: Mupepe on March 04, 2008, 10:50:42 AM
I'm going to jack off for MGS4. I will get my PS3 then. I've been tempted to get one before, but I always thought "I'll get one for MGS4!" so the bundle makes sense. And I need my BC, so yeah. Should I get MGS3:S in anticipation as well (can't play it lolz)?

MGS3 was pure fucking sex
http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Essentials-Collection/dp/B001383L36/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1204641742&sr=8-1
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2008, 11:02:50 AM: Speaking of Splinter Cell, when the hell is Conviction coming out? Ubisoft has gone on radio silence.
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 11:04:05 AM: Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on March 04, 2008, 11:02:50 AM
Speaking of Splinter Cell, when the hell is Conviction coming out? Ubisoft has gone on radio silence.
Ubidays 2008, May 28-29 will probably have some info on it.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2008, 11:06:25 AM: Cool. Even though I was disappointed in Double Agent (to the point of never finishing it), I want to play Mountain Man Sam.
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Post by: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 11:07:04 AM: Talk about games stuck in other games' wake...Sam Fischer's new look :lol
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 11:07:45 AM: Quote from: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 11:07:04 AM
Talk about games stuck in other games' wake...Sam Fischer's new look :lol
what do you mean?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2008, 11:09:52 AM: Yeah, what game is that look ripping off? I don't pay attention to that stuff.

Question:

I have a pretty low frustration level, and I've never played a Metal Gear game. If I get MGS Essentials, am I going to be throwing discs across the room fifteen minutes in?
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Post by: Rman on March 04, 2008, 11:09:55 AM: Quote from: bud on March 04, 2008, 09:24:13 AM
are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.

I loved the first installment. Still my favorite one. It was not too long and the boss battles were great--Sniper Wolf, the helicopter battle, Psycho Mantis, and on and on. Taking on Metal Gear Rex for the first time was one of the highlights of the PSone era.

MGS2 was a graphical powerhouse for its day as well. It still bests many of the later PS2 titles in the graphics department. The story was quirky to say the least. It was a fun ride as well.
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Post by: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 11:11:19 AM: Quote from: McDragon on March 04, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 11:07:04 AM
Talk about games stuck in other games' wake...Sam Fischer's new look :lol
what do you mean?
The game looks like it pulled Old Snake's look and got it confused with Assassin's Creed gameplay. Based on the delays, I think even Ubi agrees with me.
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Post by: bud on March 04, 2008, 11:12:43 AM: Quote from: Rman on March 04, 2008, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: bud on March 04, 2008, 09:24:13 AM
are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.

I loved the first installment. Still my favorite one. It was not too long and the boss battles were great--Sniper Wolf, the helicopter battle, Psycho Mantis, and on and on. Taking on Metal Gear Rex for the first time was one of the highlights of the PSone era.

MGS2 was a graphically for its day as well. It still bests many of the later PS2 titles in the graphics department. The story was quirky to say the least. It was a fun ride as well.

i was talking about the 2d metal gear, actually. :p
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 11:14:19 AM: sam's new look is closer to big boss than old snake, with the beard and all.

the whole concept is rumored to be scrapped, so don't put too much though in it till they show the game again.
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Post by: Rman on March 04, 2008, 11:15:58 AM: Quote from: bud on March 04, 2008, 11:12:43 AM
i was talking about the 2d metal gear, actually. :p

My bad.
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Post by: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 11:19:01 AM: Quote from: Rman on March 04, 2008, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: bud on March 04, 2008, 11:12:43 AM
i was talking about the 2d metal gear, actually. :p

My bad.

smh

turns out SMH is actually a newspaper

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/toddler-beheaded-in-supermarket/2008/03/04/1204402425563.html
and it reports SMH news
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Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on March 04, 2008, 11:26:46 AM: I don't have the time this morning to go into a rant on why I hate the MGS series or how I think that anyone that's invested in the series mythology should get their fucking head examined but anyone suggesting that the reason people like the Splinter Cell games more than MGS is because they were on the Xbox are grade-A morons. The SC games were simply superior stealth games, period. Hell, the Thief games kick the living shit out of both SC and MGS. The first release of MGS3 was so fundamentally broken that I'm still fucking scratching my head how people could actually like it. Top down view fighting The End = fail.

I honestly couldn't care any less about MGS4....though I'd like to see it on the 360 just for the pure comedy value of it all.
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Post by: bud on March 04, 2008, 11:33:17 AM: smh
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Post by: Rman on March 04, 2008, 11:35:43 AM: Regarding stealth, I loved Oblivion's system as well, which was highlighted in both Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines.
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Post by: y2kev on March 04, 2008, 11:38:08 AM: But being a thief was so broken with the scaling.

At least in Morrowind you could legit live as a thief and steal to LIVE.
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Post by: Mupepe on March 04, 2008, 11:47:28 AM: Quote from: McDragon on March 04, 2008, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 04, 2008, 10:50:42 AM
I'm going to jack off for MGS4. I will get my PS3 then. I've been tempted to get one before, but I always thought "I'll get one for MGS4!" so the bundle makes sense. And I need my BC, so yeah. Should I get MGS3:S in anticipation as well (can't play it lolz)?

MGS3 was pure fucking sex
http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Essentials-Collection/dp/B001383L36/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1204641742&sr=8-1
:bow :bow thanks!

And speaking of SC, I'm sorry but the first was fucking incredible. It looked gorgeous and was incredibly fun and fresh. Fuck the haters.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2008, 12:21:42 PM: Everyone was talking about the first MGS so much when it came out that I went to Blockbuster to rent it, and accidentally got VR Missions.

I played it for an hour or two and returned it. It wasn't until a year or two later that I realized I wasn't playing what everyone liked :lol
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Post by: Himu on March 04, 2008, 12:46:51 PM: Quote from: abrader on March 04, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: tiesto on March 04, 2008, 08:56:07 AM
I'd like to play the first 2 MG games on MSX one day...

I got them included with MGS3: Substinance.

They are on disk 3 I think.

They are on disc 2. Disc 3 is in the LE. Everyone gets MG1 and 2 with MGS3:S. However, the extra disc is not in the MGS: Collection, which is barebones.

Quote from: bud on March 04, 2008, 09:24:13 AM
are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.

Metal Gear 2 is essentially MGS1 except it came out like 7-8 years prior. The game is so ahead of its time it is not even funny.
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Post by: drew on March 04, 2008, 01:22:06 PM: Drohne, I'm not seeing how NG's interface can be com pletely attributed to DMC. I mean plenty of games have used the lifebar like that in the corner of the screen - including every fighter ever made, Megaman, etc etc.
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Post by: MCD on March 04, 2008, 01:30:56 PM: (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2001/ps2/devilmaycry/091301/dmc_screen023.jpg)
(http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/439/1074226275.jpg)

it's very close.
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Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 04, 2008, 02:21:23 PM: Yeah, the only reason why I'm interested in the MGS4 PS3 bundle is because it has the DualShock 3 in the box. 8)
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Post by: drew on March 04, 2008, 02:52:29 PM: Quote from: McDragon on March 04, 2008, 01:30:56 PM
it's very close.

Yeah, I guess I can see it now, the graphic on the corner that bookends the lifebar and ninpo/DT are very similar.

Great minds think alike. ;)
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Post by: drohne on March 04, 2008, 06:37:42 PM: i was actually thinking more of the menus and the little dialog boxes that pop up when you pick up or place an item
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Post by: Bloodwake on March 05, 2008, 05:03:15 PM: :piss Splinter Cell :piss2

:bow METAL FUCKING GEAR :bow2

Pretty much how it really is.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 05, 2008, 05:08:05 PM: Quote from: drohne on March 04, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
i was actually thinking more of the menus and the little dialog boxes that pop up when you pick up or place an item

Yea, I was thinking the same.
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Post by: MCD on March 05, 2008, 05:15:55 PM: Quote from: drohne on March 04, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
i was actually thinking more of the menus and the little dialog boxes that pop up when you pick up or place an item
nah, i don't think so.

IMO, itagaki is more influenced by miyamoto and his zelda games.

golden skulltula = golden scarab, different types of arrows, tairon city is like hyrule where you can travel to almost any place at any time, kinda similar puzzles.

NG is basically Itagaki's version of Zelda.
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Post by: Beezy on March 05, 2008, 05:22:49 PM: Quote from: abrader on March 04, 2008, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: abrader on March 04, 2008, 08:51:31 AM
OK - who is 'core' enough to replay...

Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2
Metal Gaer Solid 3 - PS2

before MGS4 comes out?

but play them in this order...

Metal Gear Solid 3 - PS2
Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2

for timeline continuity.
What about the Gameboy game? :)
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Post by: Rman on March 05, 2008, 05:23:58 PM: It may have not been developed by Kojima, Beezy. I also think it is not part of the Metal Gear canon as well.
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Post by: Beezy on March 05, 2008, 05:41:21 PM: Quote from: Rman on March 05, 2008, 05:23:58 PM
It may have not been developed by Kojima, Beezy. I also think it is not part of the Metal Gear canon as well.
Who cares, the game was fun. It was the first Metal Gear game that I ever played through.
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Post by: MCD on March 05, 2008, 05:44:15 PM: i didn't play the gameboy game but some of the screenshots were very close to MGS3.

the halo jump, the place where you fight ocelot...etc...i remember seeing similar places in the gameboy game.
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Post by: Himu on March 05, 2008, 05:45:06 PM: okay

april is METAL GEAR SOLID MONTH
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Post by: Rman on March 05, 2008, 05:56:46 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 05, 2008, 05:25:51 PM
:piss "canon in games, or shitty tv shows" :piss2

I just noticed how stupid and nerdy it is to worry about canon in a game series that features roller blading mad bombers, geriatric snipers, and gay vampires.

Edit: Beezy, I was not discounting the game boy game. I heard it was fun and I always wanted to play it. It's hard to find now, though. :(
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Post by: muckson on March 06, 2008, 10:53:27 AM: Quote from: demi on March 03, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
how is this a fuck you if we're not buying MGS4 anyway? ???

werd
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Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2008, 08:02:35 PM: 100gigs of Kojima's hack writing and Snake homoerotic doll play! Lord knows that ain't gameplay he's filling that disc with.
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Post by: drohne on March 06, 2008, 10:50:51 PM: i immediately knew what game you were talking about and

a. i had no idea it was coming out sunday

b. i didn't know you were replying to etiolate

must have been an accurate description!
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Post by: BlueTsunami on March 14, 2008, 09:09:17 PM: owned
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Post by: bud on March 14, 2008, 09:14:44 PM: i still find it hard to believe, though

that would make it the biggest game ever

smh @ not including both languages on one disc
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Post by: MCD on March 14, 2008, 09:15:36 PM: - bumping an old thread
- no useful content
spoiler (click to show/hide)
- sfag
[close]
- a mod

smh
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Post by: bud on March 14, 2008, 09:16:43 PM: well, it's confirmed now by some konami rep, apparently

smh kojipro
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Post by: MCD on March 14, 2008, 09:17:26 PM: yup, i read the news.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2008, 09:31:28 PM: Can a mod please change the thread title to Evilbore gives Bloodwake a collective "Fuck You"?