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Post by: Borys on April 04, 2008, 08:26:24 AM
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Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 08:27:32 AM
i didn't really like it

i felt it was clumsy and obvious even for a comic book movie

the only homo is in the annoyingly shrill bale fan club on gaf
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2008, 08:30:44 AM
I still say its the best comic movie out there, but yeah, it has its flaws.  And it becomes sort of boring and not as interesting as soon as he becomes Batman, strangely.  The best part is the backstory.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 08:38:10 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2008, 08:33:16 AM
My wife pointed out the absudities of the villain's plot from engineering point of view during the movie and I never cared for it after that.

i was just annoyed at the eye-rollingly bad 9/11 parallels.

should have stuck with just the scarecrow
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 08:48:41 AM
i haven't watched it since theaters, but that was one of the huge things that just struck me as clunky
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 08:56:19 AM
i wouldn't really have a problem with that

to be honest.

if it was done well.

my issue isn't the taking elements from real life and putting it into the story

my issue is that they way they did it was fucking stupid
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2008, 09:02:35 AM
Why does putting a city in danger always have to parallel 9/11 these days?  I think you're TRYING to find that connection as a fault.  You know, movies about destroying cities existed before 9/11.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Bildi on April 04, 2008, 09:05:46 AM
I'm not really into overthinking movies.  I was entertained.  I thought all the previous Batman movies were pretty rubbish but this one was great.

9/11 connections never even crossed my mind, most likely because I don't live in the US.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2008, 09:06:54 AM
I guarantee you Goyer never even thought ONCE about 9/11 when he wrote the damn thing.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 09:08:56 AM
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he's piloting a train into a building.
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also, authors don't need to intentionally create subtext for it to exist
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 09:08:56 AM
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he's piloting a train into a building.
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Because the building serves as a train terminal. He's not crashing it into the building (well, it crashes into the garage because of the  strut collapse). That's like saying any movie with an airplane landing is a 9/11 parallel because THEY'RE FLYING IT ONTO THE RUNWAY!
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Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 09:08:56 AM
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he's piloting a train into a building.
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Because the building serves as a train terminal. He's not crashing it into the building (well, it crashes into the garage because of the  strut collapse). That's like saying any movie with an airplane landing is a 9/11 parallel because THEY'RE FLYING IT ONTO THE RUNWAY!
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not really the same thing.

again i'm at a loss because i haven't seen this since theaters, but what i took away was a rudimentary 9/11 parallel. 

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i even seem to recall a "gotham decadant blah blah blah" speech by ras in the final act which utilized the perceived rhetoric (in that it went with the caricature used as shorthand by mainstream media post9/11) of the al queda organization
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Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Powerslave on April 04, 2008, 10:36:36 AM
WHYYYYYY ARRRR YOU WATCHINGGGGGG THIS MOVIEEEEEEGHHHH
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Tauntaun on April 04, 2008, 10:48:42 AM
:bow Batman Begins :bow2

:bow Bale :bow2
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
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i even seem to recall a "gotham decadant blah blah blah" speech by ras in the final act which utilized the perceived rhetoric (in that it went with the caricature used as shorthand by mainstream media post9/11) of the al queda organization
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He talked about

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corruption and crime, not "decadence." The League of Shadows was essentially a zero-tolerance vigilante group that sought death for all criminals.
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Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
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i even seem to recall a "gotham decadant blah blah blah" speech by ras in the final act which utilized the perceived rhetoric (in that it went with the caricature used as shorthand by mainstream media post9/11) of the al queda organization
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He talked about

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corruption and crime, not "decadence." The League of Shadows was essentially a zero-tolerance vigilante group that sought death for all criminals.
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then why on earth would they destroy gotham?
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found it

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[Bruce is refusing to demonstrate his commitment to justice by executing a criminal]
Ra's Al Ghul: You cannot lead these men unless you are prepared to do what is necessary to defeat evil.
Bruce Wayne: And where would I be leading these men?
Ra's Al Ghul: Gotham. As Gotham's favored son you will be ideally placed to strike at the heart of criminality.
Bruce Wayne: How?
Ra's Al Ghul: Gotham's time has come. Like Constantinople or Rome before it the city has become a breeding ground for suffering and injustice. It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die. This is the most important function of the League of Shadows. It is one we've performed for centuries. Gotham... must be destroyed.
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well that's just goofy
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
The movie is awesome. Probably the best super hero movie that will ever be made.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2008, 01:20:36 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2008, 08:51:54 AM
In fact I want to see more wildly innapropriate parallels in my action.  I want hordes of people wandering around covered in dust, terrified at any small sound, peering up frightfully at looming building waiting for the next plane/alien invasion/liam neeson/robot attack.

have you seen Cloverfield
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
Oh my God, watching Cloverfield is like being double-teamed by 9 in the front and 11 in the rear.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 04, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
Oh my God, watching Cloverfield is like being double-teamed by 9 in the front and 11 in the rear.

so it's like attending a giuliani rally?
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2008, 01:49:17 PM
libruls with 911 on the brain? now i've seen everything

Batman Begins is good, not great. I remember thinking that the first few minutes were horrible; all the prison stuff, especially that blurry fight scene. There's a good way to do shaky cam fights (Bourne) and there's a bad way (Batman).

Overall it's a good movie although it does take itself far too seriously; perhaps it doesn't and I'm just reacting to the annoying Nolan fanboys who have almost ruined my liking of the movie.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2008, 01:54:24 PM
literally wild homo, in the case of Apollo/Midnighter. Batman, of course, is the bottom.

I was in Japan duiring 9/11, so I've never quite "gotten" it. Frustrating.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Bloodwake on April 04, 2008, 01:55:11 PM
Batman Begins > Spider-man 2
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2008, 01:55:48 PM
I actually prefer Spider-Man 2, if only because it has some humorous character moments. Batman Begins is SO FUCKING DIRE. Why so serious?!
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Bloodwake on April 04, 2008, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 04, 2008, 01:55:48 PM
I actually prefer Spider-Man 2, if only because it has some humorous character moments. Batman Begins is SO FUCKING DIRE. Why so serious?!

I see what you did there. I just think Christian Bale played a better Batman than McGuire played Spidey. Plus, the cinematography in Begins was brilliant. While it was good in Spider-Man 2, it was less so.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: T234 on April 04, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
I would just like to point out that 2 fingers vodka made Bloodwake FALL ASLEEP during this movie.

I thought it ruled. FUK U HATERZ
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2008, 02:12:40 PM
I thought McGuire was the perfect Peter Parker, and good enough as Spider-Man

Bale was good as...Bale. His Wayne is definitely the best Wayne we've seen in a film but no matter how many times I see the movie, I don't saw "THAT'S Bond." I can watch the Ironman trailer and see that's really Tony Starks. Granted Tom Cruise could have done it better, but I digress
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Tauntaun on April 04, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2008, 02:12:40 PM
I thought McGuire was the perfect Peter Parker, and good enough as Spider-Man

Bale was good as...Bale. His Wayne is definitely the best Wayne we've seen in a film but no matter how many times I see the movie, I don't saw "THAT'S Bond." I can watch the Ironman trailer and see that's really Tony Starks. Granted Tom Cruise could have done it better, but I digress

 >:(  Dude, no.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 04, 2008, 01:54:24 PM
literally wild homo, in the case of Apollo/Midnighter. Batman, of course, is the bottom.

I was in Japan duiring 9/11, so I've never quite "gotten" it. Frustrating.

it was basically hiroshima times a thousand

because white american males were involved
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Tauntaun on April 04, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 04, 2008, 01:54:24 PM
literally wild homo, in the case of Apollo/Midnighter. Batman, of course, is the bottom.

I was in Japan duiring 9/11, so I've never quite "gotten" it. Frustrating.

it was basically hiroshima times a thousand

because white american males were involved

 :lol

made me think of:

Quote
Kim Jong Il: It will be 911 times 2356.
Chris: My God, that's... I don't even know what that is!
Kim Jong Il: Nobody does!
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2008, 02:24:35 PM
I mean, I am aware of what 9/11 means to most Americans. But I can't feel it in my bones.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 04, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
Oh my God, watching Cloverfield is like being double-teamed by 9 in the front and 11 in the rear.
King Kong and Godzilla and Godzilla 1999 and Godzilla 2000 were all metaphors for 9/11 too!

But they took a time machine into the past so nobody would notice.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Mupepe on April 04, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
Cloverfield was an awesome movies but the 9/11 stuff was soooo blatant.  The whole dust covering the streets while people were running thing was just wow.  Still, i love that movie.

batman begins was a good, but forgettable movie.  Seriously, I didn't even remember who the villain was. 
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2008, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 04, 2008, 02:24:35 PM
I mean, I am aware of what 9/11 means to most Americans. But I can't feel it in my bones.

I remember being scared as fuck because my mom went to Chicago on 9/10 with the intent of visiting the Sears building along the way, which was thought to be a target
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TVC15 on April 04, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2008, 08:46:35 AM
9/11 parallels have ceased to bother me.

Sounds like you are gearing up for an Army of Two purchase.  As previously mentioned, the game DOES feature actually 9/11 footage, with one of the characters acting comedic in the very same scene.  It is awesome.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: bud on April 04, 2008, 02:43:04 PM
the last act that wasn't as good as the rest of the movie, and the cinematography during the fighting scenes was vomit inducing--i don't care what he was going for. i'm not asking for some crouching tiger, hidden dragon shit, but please don't make me sick. shit. that's all.

i quite liked it, though
and spider-man 2 is better
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 04, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
Cloverfield was an awesome movies but the 9/11 stuff was soooo blatant.  The whole dust covering the streets while people were running thing was just wow.  Still, i love that movie.
Oh come on, what was the monster supposed to do, quietly tear the buildings apart in a careful manner so that there was no dust? Were the people not supposed to run or something?

"9/11 parallels" are the new "Cold War/Red Scare parallels." Any movie made in the 50's and 60's has to have been some kind of metaphor for the Cold War or communism, any movie made in the 2000's is going to be interpreted as a metaphor for 9/11 and terrorism.

"So you see, Soul Plane was meant to reassure people that 'our airlines may seem goofy, but they're safe, even if dark-skinned people fly them.' In THE POST-9/11 AMERICA, people flocked to movies for the sole reason of escapism, because every single person in America was always 100% pants-shittingly terrified of terrorists, 24/7. Also, I am a condescending douchebag who tries to find absurdly simplistic parallels in EVERYTHING."
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2008, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 03:41:35 PM


"So you see, Soul Plane was meant to reassure people that 'our airlines may seem goofy, but they're safe, even if dark-skinned people fly them.' In THE POST-9/11 AMERICA, people flocked to movies for the sole reason of escapism, because every single person in America was always 100% pants-shittingly terrified of terrorists, 24/7. Also, I am a condescending douchebag who tries to find absurdly simplistic parallels in EVERYTHING."

soul plane 2 directly confronted this
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 04, 2008, 04:35:41 PM
Cloverfield and Batman Begins are both awesome. I never thought of the 9/11 parallels with the latter, but Cloverfield drops multiple Xboxen on your head.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Bildi on April 04, 2008, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2008, 02:12:40 PM
I thought McGuire was the perfect Peter Parker, and good enough as Spider-Man

Bale was good as...Bale. His Wayne is definitely the best Wayne we've seen in a film but no matter how many times I see the movie, I don't saw "THAT'S Bond." I can watch the Ironman trailer and see that's really Tony Starks. Granted Tom Cruise could have done it better, but I digress

You are dead to me.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Solo on April 04, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
Ah, so refreshing to have a BB thread in which people actually voice some of the films many issues, rather than suck at its teet like at GAF. This thread alone shows what is great about this place.

Anyways, I really like the movie, but its not my favorite in the "genre" by any stretch (I too prefer S-M2 by a rather large margin), and for me, it really falls apart after the first hour. Its almost pitch-perfect in the setting up of the character, but once he actually becomes Batman, it becomes something of a "who gives a fuck" affair. So there ya go: Batman Begins ceases to rock once the titular character shows up.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 05, 2008, 12:50:36 AM
Spiderman 2 was laughably generic. Batman begins was amazingly awesome.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Crushed on April 05, 2008, 02:23:13 AM
I hate all of the Spider-Man movies. They're mostly okay, but they're peppered with these scenes of absolutely horrendous acting; we're not talking humorously off little moments in an otherwise good film, like "SWEARTOMEEEEE" in BB or "A DIVERSION???!??!" in RotK.

Like, "holy shit how could they have thought that was a good idea it is so horrible I cannot watch this movie without thinking about that horrible scene," movie ruining scenes. Like, you get a really nice, moderately expensive mid-size sedan, but there's some tiny piles of dogshit in the trunk and you can't take them out. The whole thing is ruined.

Spider-Man 1 had Norman Osborn (with high school play-level acting) sobbing to the ghost of Snidley Whiplash in a plastic Goblin mask.
Spider-Man 2 had... I can't actually think of a standout offender, but there were some bad times.
Spider-Man 3. Yeah, the dance scene. Pretty much every Emo-Peter scene. Fuck, nearly the whole movie.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2008, 11:30:13 AM
Spidey 2 was good, but I agree with Crushed.

I don't know, before I saw Batman Begins I hadn't really ever been into the comic movies and I never really was impressed by any of them.  I saw Begins, and I instantly was looking forward to the sequel.  I think its the perfect Batman movie and I still think the best comic movie I've seen.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Mupepe on April 05, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Crushed on April 04, 2008, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 04, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
Cloverfield was an awesome movies but the 9/11 stuff was soooo blatant.  The whole dust covering the streets while people were running thing was just wow.  Still, i love that movie.
Oh come on, what was the monster supposed to do, quietly tear the buildings apart in a careful manner so that there was no dust? Were the people not supposed to run or something?
It has nothing to do with what the monster does, it has to do with how it's conveyed on film.  The way the shot is laid out is completely made to remind you of those famous cam videos from 9/11. 
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TVC15 on April 06, 2008, 07:43:07 AM
Spider-Man is the only overall good Spider-Man movie.  SM2 has Molina, but he can't save the movie, which is largely boring. We had the origin story in the first movie. . .why does the audience have to suffer through an hour of tedium to get to anything interesting in the terrible sequel?

Batman Begins is decent, but it's so muddled.  It feels like several episodes of a miniseries rather than a movie, and that feel makes the climax feel, well, rushed.

Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 06, 2008, 09:08:20 AM
But you'd at least agree its better than most comic movies, right?
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: CurseoftheGods on April 06, 2008, 02:00:43 PM
I thought it was a good, but not great movie.

I love the absolute pretension in this thread, though. Please continue. 
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: Oblivion on April 06, 2008, 09:47:59 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on April 06, 2008, 07:43:07 AM
Spider-Man is the only overall good Spider-Man movie. 

Holy shit, I came in here to say this. :bow TVC :bow2

Seriously, I don't get what was so good about Spiderman 2.
Title: Re: Watching BATMAN: BEGINS for the first time today
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 06, 2008, 09:49:31 PM
I fuckin' loved SM2 when it came out, but since then I've found it to be mostly unwatchable.

The same goes for SM1 though, honestly.