THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Smooth Groove on April 27, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
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http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2008/02/24/deans_ten_best_games_of_all_time/
Halo
Gears of War
Wing Commander
Doom
Starcraft
COD4
Sim City
Wii Sports
Civilization 4
The Sims
Honorable Mention: Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
:american :american :american :american :american
:japancry :japancry :japancry :japancry :japancry
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Dean Takahashi is a visitor from a parallel universe where Japan never made games
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They don't anymore, Patel!
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Fuck that cod, Deus Ex 4 lyfe!
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That's a pretty terrible list.
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Patel's more Japanese than Takahashi.
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Halo, Gears of War, COD4, and MOH:AA in under the wire? REALLY?
OF ALL TIME?!
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wii sports is just a half dozen variations on pong
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actually, looking at the list, there are NO console games except
- Wii sports
- Xbox shooters
uh.
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wtf is with american asianfags and incredibly bad gaming taste?
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Wilde Homo
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Shit list.
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none of the choices belong on that list
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none of the choices belong on that list
Sim City sure as hell belongs on a top ten games of all time list.
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Civ 3 > SimCity
bam
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His PC picks aren't that bad. Many of them have made appearances in other top 25 lists.
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Where the fuck is Half Life for taking the FPS genre seriously?
Where the fuck is WoW for streamlining MMORPGs forever?
Where the fuck is Mario 64?
GTA3?
Halo has practically ruined FPS for good with it's regenerating shields and limited weapon cache.
Fuck this fagle, his opinion sucks donkey dick.
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They don't anymore, Patel!
So that's why I can't find anything to play anymore.
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WoW is an awful MMORPG, Raban. Maplestory is better then that shit and its free.
I'm not saying it's something mindblowingly amazing, but it added alot to the MMORPG genre and sort of set the standard for UI and user-friendliness. Before then, MMOs were big pools of shit and pedos. Except for RO.
RO :heartbeat
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WoW is an awful MMORPG, Raban. Maplestory is better then that shit and its free.
mm hmm.
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Eh, this guy was in college when the first xbox hit right? Not that surprising he has a crap knowledge of old shit.
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where are all the amazing euro 8-bit games like Elite, The Sentinel and Paradroid? *stamps feet*
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/altogetherandrews/uc.jpg)
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WoW is an awful MMORPG, Raban. Maplestory is better then that shit and its free.
what
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Eh, this guy was in college when the first xbox hit right? Not that surprising he has a crap knowledge of old shit.
I was a junior in college when the first Xbox came out. I have a much better knowledge of old shit than that.
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Eh, this guy was in college when the first xbox hit right? Not that surprising he has a crap knowledge of old shit.
I'll agree with most of this list. Except for Wii Sports, icky. If you asked me for my list of top ten games you would find it equally lacking Japanese console games.
Some cursory googling:
http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/interview/takahashi/page01.php
I played the original Pong with my brother for the first time while on a family vacation to Las Vegas. It was at the indoor tennis courts at the Tropicana Hotel. We played it and thought it was the greatest thing. We went on to become arcade rats, playing games like Space Wars, Gun Fight, Coleco's handheld football games, Galaga, Ms. Pacman, Zaxxon etc. We had some early consoles like the Odyssey and Intellivsion. During college, I budgeted about $30 a month to play games in the arcade and found I was in the minority among my friends by going to the arcades so much. I dropped out of the console and game scene for a while and returned when I got my first computers. But I really immersed myself in gaming again with the original Wing Commander for the PC. I played that game until my arm got sore and I would have to switch to my left hand to control the joystick. I loved the original Doom and its offspring.
In the last decade or so I've been a big computer game fan, playing war games like Talonsoft's West Front and Combat Mission, as well as real-time strategy games like Age Of Empires and Close Combat II, III and IV. I love innovative games like The Sims and Black & White and SimCity. Liked Shogun a lot. I enjoy business simulations like the original Capitalism. Among the console games, I like Motocross games among friends and for solo I've played through Halo on the normal mode. The worst thing about writing a book was that I had to give up playing games for about 18 months. Now I'm gradually getting back into it with games like Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault and Battleground 1942. Sorry to go on for so long but you asked.
So yeah, this guy isn't like most of the people here on this board-he grew up with the really early pre-NES consoles, some arcade gaming, but it seems like his real formative gaming experience was on the PC from the 1992 to 2004-ish timeframe.
I'd like to note that stuff like West Front ( John Tiller :bow :bow) are pretty hardcore wargames. So he was a bit more down the PC gaming rabbithole than most were in the late 90s. The progression is pretty clear and somewhat natural-hardcore PC gamer in the 90s and early 2000s becomes Xbox/360 gamer (hence Halo,Gears, and COD4).
Not everyone on the internet grew up with a NES and Mario. Some of us started with a C64/Atari 800, moved to a PC or Amiga in the late 80s, then to DOS-based PCs in the early 1990s and Windows 3.1/95 machines later. Our best-of lists look correspondingly way different than if we grew up playing console games.
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Eh, this guy was in college when the first xbox hit right? Not that surprising he has a crap knowledge of old shit.
I'll agree with most of this list. Except for Wii Sports, icky. If you asked me for my list of top ten games you would find it equally lacking Japanese console games.
Some cursory googling:
http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/interview/takahashi/page01.php
I played the original Pong with my brother for the first time while on a family vacation to Las Vegas. It was at the indoor tennis courts at the Tropicana Hotel. We played it and thought it was the greatest thing. We went on to become arcade rats, playing games like Space Wars, Gun Fight, Coleco's handheld football games, Galaga, Ms. Pacman, Zaxxon etc. We had some early consoles like the Odyssey and Intellivsion. During college, I budgeted about $30 a month to play games in the arcade and found I was in the minority among my friends by going to the arcades so much. I dropped out of the console and game scene for a while and returned when I got my first computers. But I really immersed myself in gaming again with the original Wing Commander for the PC. I played that game until my arm got sore and I would have to switch to my left hand to control the joystick. I loved the original Doom and its offspring.
In the last decade or so I've been a big computer game fan, playing war games like Talonsoft's West Front and Combat Mission, as well as real-time strategy games like Age Of Empires and Close Combat II, III and IV. I love innovative games like The Sims and Black & White and SimCity. Liked Shogun a lot. I enjoy business simulations like the original Capitalism. Among the console games, I like Motocross games among friends and for solo I've played through Halo on the normal mode. The worst thing about writing a book was that I had to give up playing games for about 18 months. Now I'm gradually getting back into it with games like Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault and Battleground 1942. Sorry to go on for so long but you asked.
So yeah, this guy isn't like most of the people here on this board-he grew up with the really early pre-NES consoles, some arcade gaming, but it seems like his real formative gaming experience was on the PC from the 1992 to 2004-ish timeframe.
I'd like to note that stuff like West Front ( John Tiller :bow :bow) are pretty hardcore wargames. So he was a bit more down the PC gaming rabbithole than most were in the late 90s. The progression is pretty clear and somewhat natural-hardcore PC gamer in the 90s and early 2000s becomes Xbox/360 gamer (hence Halo,Gears, and COD4).
Not everyone on the internet grew up with a NES and Mario. Some of us started with a C64/Atari 800, moved to a PC or Amiga in the late 80s, then to DOS-based PCs in the early 1990s and Windows 3.1/95 machines later. Our best-of lists look correspondingly way different than if we grew up playing console games.
Dude, he has Halo on his list. You can't defend that shit. Him being a PC gamer just makes it even worse.
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Dude, he has Halo on his list. You can't defend that shit. Him being a PC gamer just makes it even worse.
That's one of the games I don't particularly agree with :). Though Halo is a really good game.
My post was more to give some context to why the usual NES/SNES/PSX console gaming suspects don't appear on a completely subjective list than to agree or disagree with any one pick in particular-though I do agree with a good half of it.
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He's right about DooM. The rest I can do without.
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It's funny, because my PC gaming experience is almost entirely the opposite - it started in 1985 or so with Infocom and Sierra adventure games, and died in 1990 with Doom. I didn't get back into PC gaming until 1998 or so, with The Sims. The FPS genre never gelled for me (and still hasn't, for the most part). Which is why seeing it become the dominant paradigm for modern gaming is so bizarre (though there appears to be a third-person backlash this generation).
Anyways, there's a lot of good games on his list - but they're the sort of stuff I'd expect to see rounding out a balanced top 25, not as an exclusive top 10. Say what you will about "console" games - there should be a place for Tetris in any reasonable listing.
And Gears of War? Halo? COD4? If you're going to let Halo in on an "influence" technicality, then other missing games (GTA, Mario, Zelda) become a bit more of an oversight. Even so, I really doubt that two of the top ten games of all time are last year's Xbox 360 shooter and this year's Xbox 360 shooter.
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It's funny, because my PC gaming experience is almost entirely the opposite - it started in 1985 or so with Infocom and Sierra adventure games, and died in 1990 with Doom.
Doom wasn't until a few years after that, but I see your point. It really was about that time that PC gaming sort of left its 1980s staples and started its move to some of the genres and conventions of the modern era. Often that transition was quite clumsy. But it was a time when PCs were delievering a distinctly different experience than what the consoles of those days were offering. If that was a formative time for your gaming tastes, playing on the PC in the early 1990s will definitely yield a different list of favorites than if you had that same experience playing on consoles of that same era.
Anyways, there's a lot of good games on his list - but they're the sort of stuff I'd expect to see rounding out a balanced top 25, not as an exclusive top 10. Say what you will about "console" games - there should be a place for Tetris in any reasonable listing.
I didn't play Tetris until I tried out the version on a friend's Gameboy. I was never impressed with it, or its many derivatives over the years. One man's trash is another man's treasure, and by no means is any narrow top 10 best of list going to reflect anything but subjective opinions.
And Gears of War? Halo? COD4? If you're going to let Halo in on an "influence" technicality, then other missing games (GTA, Mario, Zelda) become a bit more of an oversight. Even so, I really doubt that two of the top ten games of all time are last year's Xbox 360 shooter and this year's Xbox 360 shooter.
I think those are terrible picks, but they are pretty much in line with a PC gamer flunking out of that platform and moving on to the Xbox and the 360. My whole point with my post was that formative influences matter greatly when it comes to picking out lists like this, and the lack of Japanese console games can be easily explained by looking at said influences in the article I linked and the snip I posted.
As an aside,I think that choosing stuff like Wing Commander, Civ4, Starcraft, Doom, and Sim City aren't bad picks for a top ten at all. Oddly enough, I also find The Sims to be second most odious choice on that list behind Wii sports.
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Not everyone on the internet grew up with a NES and Mario. Some of us started with a C64/Atari 800, moved to a PC or Amiga in the late 80s, then to DOS-based PCs in the early 1990s and Windows 3.1/95 machines later. Our best-of lists look correspondingly way different than if we grew up playing console games.
Hmm, well I do remember messing with my older brother's 2600, vic 20, c64, and we even had a friggin home version of Pong that hooked up to a TV. But most of my formative gaming was done from NES up with a sidetrip into the PC realm to fuck around with X-Wing and :bow Dune II :bow2 That game fucking ruled.
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Oops, I meant 91/92. anyways, though, yeah. I never played Doom or Hexen or Duke 3D or Redneck Rampage or Blood or any of that early-era FPS stuff.
And yeah, I can see where Dean's list is coming from - which is why it's so embarassing. It's like his slip is showing.
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Sadly there is no youtube of AC's You're Old (Fuck You) for me to post in response... Never mind that my age is gonna start with a 3 come this Saturday. :o
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http://www2.b3ta.com/heyhey16k/
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Sadly there is no youtube of AC's You're Old (Fuck You) for me to post in response... Never mind that my age is gonna start with a 3 come this Saturday. :o
Go to bed, old man!
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He just needs Madden and the list is complete :american
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I am judging Halo primarily by single player, which is pretty repetitive and janky.
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Just change it to "top 10 PC games" and it's fine.
Maybe.
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Okay, it's a shitty list. Needs more awesomeness like The Secret Of Monkey Island and Prince Of Persia on the PC side, and good console games.
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I am judging Halo primarily by single player, which is pretty repetitive and janky.
ah - okay, yeah, then agreed. The single player is pretty standard and basically cacked on by a whole host of games.
but yeah, i think Halo gets it's love from the multiplayer Goldeneye effect - and i think it deserves it, it's a very good multiplayer game and would probably make my list for that reason.
You have to look at Halo as a whole package, not lop off a huge part of the game. Personally, I never cared for the single player and only play it in multiplayer. I still haven't played Halo or Halo 2 in single player.
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Clearly an Amerifag and a race traitor.
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Dean Takahashi is a visitor from a parallel universe where Japan never made games
Ironic, given his last name, innit?
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Dean Takahashi is a visitor from a parallel universe where Japan never made games
Ironic, given his last name, innit?
are you reading UK Resistance
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I'm going to do a top 10 and put 100 games on it. That way none of you pansies can complain.